First Paraglider, EN-A or EN-B? Can A Wing Be Too Safe? Performance vs. Safety Talk 

Thanks Kyle. Always good to hear your perspective.

Another Highly Informative Video ! ! Many Thanks Kyle O . For someone looking to get into paramotoring like myself, Your expertise on the subject is beyond amazing ! I learn something new daily from your videos that I will be able to use in the future .

Thank you Kyle O!!!! We appreciate the time you take to education us noobs. Well done. Be safe~!!!

Kyle, thank you soooo much! This was very helpful to me and I appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge in a way newbies understand. You da man!

Great lesson Kyle! Have never even thought about it like that. Love my 28m UNI!

Thanks Kyle, thanks for the lesson on pitch and your explanation on what how ratings are gained. You have opened my eyes to other options

Kyle, another oldie but goodie! Great info when and if.

Great video Kyle, thanks, I was looking for info like this.

Good info Kyle. Many thanks. I never bought a glider, but Im a little wiser now for when that day comes.

Awesome video, great info!

Sucking it RU-vid there is absolutely nothing wrong with that if you can get good solid safety information out to the people you're a blessing to the industry.

Kyle, GOOD discussion! Great information for a beginner or intermediate pilot. KUDOS!

Good info Kyle...

Im so glad you spoke on this. It answers a bunch of questions. I have wondered why people struggle with pitch control and it definitely seems appropriate to master pitch control. I think instincts help a lot with that.

Wow and oh shit. I have been flying a Mojo Pwr and have about 70 hours on it and I really wanted to buy a Sirocco 2 but I talked to my PPG instructor and he said to buy the spyder 3 first and then the Sirocco 2 after about 70 hours on the spyder 3 now I have a better understanding why. Thanks Kyle you did it again. A very informative video. Keep the videos coming. : )

Great video Kyle! It makes me feel better about learning on a B wing and having one as a first wing as well (Spyder 3). Pitch control is an invaluable skill to learn early on, and I feel much less prone to front tucks as a result, and with better surge control in flight. I think you and Ron Toran probably see eye-to-eye on this when it comes to training, but it would be fun to watch you and Eric Farewell debate the issue!

Excellent video. I'm starting to learn on an epsilon 9. I'm fat and it's flying heavy. I appreciate your discourse on the nature of the differences between these classes. Thank you very much

good points kyle, nice to hear you share your perspective on this. I started with a Awing, dudek nemo 4, I don't find it hangs back at all and ground handling gave me plenty of chance to practice pitch control, so it seems to have a little more room perhaps than the mojo, as it never falls back on me easily.

I agree with you about all these gliders and I am so glad to hear you say it. I got an advance epsilon 9. It was all I could afford. I'm flying heavy on the wing and I'm learning ground handling and I'm going to learn to be an epsilon 9 pilot. A lot of other people online think that I'm pushing my luck learning to fly that epsilon 9, and here you announced that you might be okay flying the high-end be glider for a learning glider. That really encourages me. I'm not going to have a pair of motor I'm just going to glide down hi'll catch thermal that kind stuff.

As a Mojo flyer, I'm glad to see a video on this.

had to come back and watch this, I immed. purchased a roadster III instead of a mojo after training, thank you kyle'O

OI!!!! Ive just been going through Funky Fellas tracks, I haven't found a track I don't like yet, don't think I will either. Love the names of some of the tracks you have used!! =] Yet again another fine vijayo from the Mr O

I sure am glad I've got a Universal:)

Good info I was looking at the Mojo when I got into this, got the MacPara muse 4 powered, and it will over shot you without brake management, but still a slow A wing. Cheers

Not only is this the highest level thinking I ever heard from an US-instructor, but it also mirrors my personal experience perfectly! When I did my A-License over here in the Alps, I never really warmed up to my Ion 4... It's like my brain was thinking "What's going on? If I pull that brake and do this, I should be swinging in that direction!" Or I was waiting for pitch movements that we had learned to anticipate and correct, but they just never came so I almost over-corrected... The Ion just damped all of that away, leaving my brain scratching it's head, metaphorically.... :-D When I got my next wing, a High-B Gin Explorer, everything made sense immediately! Suddenly what happened to me under the wing was in perfect sync with what my brain told me should be happening! Lastly, something else that plays into that theory: If you rely on a Mojo (or other A-Wing you fly to be "safer"), 9 times out of 10 you would be better served either improving your skills, or realizing Paragliding/-motoring maybe isn't for you. The people who legitimately should be under a Mojo long term (or equv. wing) are few and far between.

Great discussion, man! We hit 67° up here in MA today! Insanity - I was in a tee-shirt all day! The snow melted, the frozen ground thawed, and everything turned into a quagmire. No flying here. Trike would be sunk to the harness and prop, and your legs up to your ankles ... and that's just on the grass! It's a mess ... I've got the Blackhawk / Velocity Core in a 32 - she big, but I got a trike, and I'm a complete self-training rookie. Probably better for me to stick with that one for a while. It does come up nice and easy, even for me, and even by hand (actually easier by hand than with the trike, but that probably has more to do with my LZ than anything). My biggest problem is throttle management, and what I should be holding where in my throttle hand. I had that all figured out, then the weather turned into a big steaming pile, minus the warmth, lol. I'll have to retrain myself all over again when spring comes. I was SO close to taking off, too, around the first week of November. Haven't even started the thing since. :(

Good Vid Kyle. I fly that dreaded Mojo you speak of, 26m. Got about 105 hrs on it, Matt is getting me a Calypso 24 to demo and probably purchase if it measures up to a 23 vantage2. That's my preferred next wing, as I've flown it a few times now, also flown Neil's 26 Falcon which seemed very fast on a zero wind approach, even fully trimmed. I'll say my mojo has served me well. I've done every move you can make on it just short of a B line stall. I have been banged around in very heavy turbulence with it midday in summer in some nasty thermals and she handles very well. I will not and do not ever use trims for takeoff anymore as it does have a tendency to "hang back" as you say on launch with nil wind...if, if you have any bit of trim. Open those trims and she will come right up and launch you no prob. I think it's unfair to judge student progression from a mojo unless they have first logged 100 hours on it. When I flew Neil's falcon for the first time at the Mississippi misfits meet this past Oct I had zero wind on launch. I did three practice fwd launches using a kiting harness. The first launch the wing did pop up quicker than I could react and it did frontal on me. I reset and checked the brakes a bit sooner on the next run. 2nd attempt was No problem, ran it out the length of the field. Gathered up and reset, did a 3rd fwd practice and it went well also, I then felt I could launch it with a motor. Went get my kit and fwd launched and was up in no time on my first attempt. I like my mojo, if I could change anything it would just be to give it a greater trim range. It has a pretty short range as you already know. The confidence I have in the safety of the wing has allowed me to progress and pull stunts I'm sure I would have never tried if I were on a spicer wing(starting out) and not had Matt to coach me through the maneuvers. I feel safe enough on it to do barrel rolls if only I could build enough energy, but 180 out wingovers are all I can manage on it as it dampens out all inputs so much. It's really forgiving when you don't apply enough outside brake pressure on that open trimmed 180 wingover and the wing folds back on you too. The 1/3 collapses pop right out before I even realized I didn't pull enough brake. It's a good beginner wing in my opinion, and I'm not just saying that because it's up for sale either. :) Btw, it's listed on FB "Paramotor things for sale" , I'll let it go as soon as My new wing selection is finalized. Cheers everyone! Fly safe!

I couldn’t agree more! Sara’s Mojo has without a doubt slowed her progression. For a smaller person, this wing is nearly impossible to inflate in nil wind.

My first wing was a Mojo PWR and I have to agree with you pretty thoroughly. Thankfully I got to borrow other wings occasionally from my instructors and they taught me pitch control. I always launched my Mojo with the trims out for the reasons you stated. Even then, it's still slow to come up which is a huge problem if you have a little cross wind. It takes so long to come up that it falls over to the side before you have a chance to correct it...VERY frustrating. But, the nice thing about the Mojo is it's a slow and easy wing to land. I got a Qubik last month and have been loving it. Launching is much more intuitive and controllable, but you definitely need some pitch control.

I've had a Mojo 5 for five years now, and I don't have the problem you're talking about. I fly on Buzz6, miniwing Zero 3,...I control all three wings equally.

I was insistent on getting a Mojo when I signed up for training. Luckily my instructor insisted I not because he said I would get bored with it in 4 months. I am glad I had the sense to listen to him. Never regretted it.

My instructor (I'm close to my P2 free flight rating) is encouraging me to get a En-B rated wing as my first wing as well. We fly Gin wings, so most likely a Calypso or similar. His thought is that the B wing being a little faster can actually be "safer" as it can pernitrate wind better and get you out of situations where an A wing might not. I see your point on pitch control too. The Gin Beleros that we fly have never shot past me in a launch. Thanks Kyle, I appreciate your thoughts as always!

UNIVERSAL!!!!!! Woohoo!!!!

So it’s basically like learning to ride a bike as a kid, but never taking the training wheels off. Great video as usual from my favorite YT drug dealer! 😉👍

very interesting ... from a paraglider beginning , i really struggle with all the reflex trims out hands off tip steering idea....how can you active fly the wing properly ??? i suppose trusting on the passive safety and trusting your kit! Here in the UK it seems the weather is always active and prefer to fly speed bar rather trimmers unless super calm conditions and feeling the brakes would be interested in your thoughts

Listening to this I'm glad I learned to fly on an Ozone Rush (high B) :) There's a lot to be said for getting a wing that you can grow into, I would suggest that any modern B wing has enough passive safety for anyone. The Ozone Buzz seems like a good beginner wing, I suggest buy second hand for a first wing because you're inevitably going to thrash it during all those early mistakes, draggings, brambles and trees etc. ;)

I learned on a mojo power , and purchased a Spyder 3....spyder is much smoother feeling, and less "boat"like. school wings were getting older,

Hi. Loving your channel, learning a lot. What’s your opinion on the dudek solo. 20 I’m 70kg and on a bulldog atom 80. Thanks in advance.

MacPara Charger is a great wing that I started with although the manual states at least 50 hours experience before flying it for some reason but my instructor started me on it. The only thing I did like about the Mojo is it plows through turbulence like a tank. I mean, somehow you just don't feel the bumps as much on it as other wings for some reason. Or at least that was my limited experience with it.

I literally flew an A for 2 solo flights and then traded that in for a B. Best decision made. Currently fly the flow cosmos which is 🍒.

Kyle, with the higher angle of attack due to the wing hanging back, is there increased danger of stalling on launch? I'm always surprised how back the wing is when I'm climbing out. For launch, many of the days inn AZ are nil wind and what you are saying mirrors my experiences.

Hi kyle. Love your videos. What about the kona 2. How does it compare to the mojo pwr and the spyder 3?

The old wing I bought for ground handling would over shoot and frontal like nobody's business. Took me a good bit of practice to effectively ground handle. I bought a mojo 5 as my first flying wing and immediately noticed the lack of input required to keep it from overshooting. I have no issues launching the mojo, but I have questioned if it's going to make me lose the skills I once had before I took my first flight. For now, I like its confidence for learning wing overs. Until I have those dialed, I can't justify an upgrade.

yes, I started out on a mojoe 5 2017 model and year. You have to hold them A's all the way, till the wing is over strait over my head. If I check the brakes it will do a front tuck. You do not have to check the brakes on this wing as you say. The only time I pull the brakes is to get some lift off affect once it center over my head and over 8mph. I got about 70 hours on it now. So im near ready for a better wing as you say. I trained on a gin A, and you do have to check the brakes on them during launch as you say. This wing is so safe I think you could fly it trough a hurricane with your eyes closed. Hands up. One of my flying buds has a dudek universal he like it real well. I think my school my also have one I can try out also. How much are they going for?

Do you have any experience with Sol gliders? I have an Ellus L and I was wondering if you might have a few words of wisdom for me. I haven't even kited it yet. No chance to do it. It's always raining when I get home. If you find yourself in the Marrero area, reach out to me. I might be home.

I am a new P2 and primarily fly at Point of the Mountain, Utah. I chose the Mojo 6 and have about 4 hours on it so far. Is this commentary primarily directed toward PPG pilots? How much of this is applicable to regular PG pilots? Appreciate you making this video!

Kyle of Rivia

Very interesting! How does the Roadster 3 compare to the Universal

KyloO, would you recommend that someone advancing to an intermediate glider should spend a decent amount of time ground kiting it to try to work out that pitch control? For context, I currently fly a Roadster3 currently with 72 flights (~30 total hours)

Man Kyle O' you bring up some good points ..I started on a Mojo Pwr in School and immediately went to a Spyder ( old V ) I flew about 50 hours on that spyder with out any problems then I had to hang up flying do to a shoulder surgery so I sold my Spyder1 ..8 month went buy and I was ready to fly again I thought it would be a good idea to go back to a beginner wing so I purchased a Mojo Pwr Sml, Boy did I feel like I had lost all my ability to launch in nil winds and exactly as you said I was giving small break input and the wing was just hanging back and not wanting to takeoff I'm now 10 hours with this Mojo and I have gotten the hang of it but I'll be interested to see how I do when I fly my New Spyder 3 that I have sitting still in the unopened package from Ozone I just hope like you said I don't let it over shoot me on my first attempt and cause damage..Any ways less likely after watching this video I will have this in the back of my mind to look out for ..And for the record I do love the Mojo Pwr it will be my wing to go to for quite a while if not ever when conditions call for more passive safety..

I have the wifi here in Costa Rica to get your video notifications but not to actually watch your videos! Talk about bitter sweet! 🤣🤦‍♂️🤟

How do I get a hold of you? I currently have a Mojo Power small and having a heck of time with it. It only has 2 flights on it looking to trade for a Dudek Universal equivalent in size if your interested, maybe could use it for training.

First you get the money Chico, Then you get the power, then the girls... you tell Frank I’m going to the top... 😆

Is the Mojo PWR 2 any better than the other Mojos? What about for someone that has absolutely no interest in arco of any kind? Someone who just wants to go and explore and land, with the most benign flight possible?

I want a Niviuk Kougar 3!!

Hi Kyle, What are your thoughts on the U-Turn blacklight 2?

What do you think of the Dudek Nemo??

When flying a low enB wing on my siv ,i was telling my instructor how safe it was, the next day i found myself upside down in my harness and almost trew my reserve. My instructor told me: it pisses me off when people think they fly a safe glider, now that i proved you wrong ,we can proceed .

I agree 100%

I'm stumped, I've already decided I want to train on a b but don't know which, spyder3 or universals.1.1 I can only trike due to disability.

I'm sure you will advise me when to step up to a "b" wing , currently saving up for a MacFly Atom 80 .

Beginner here. Hope I ll understand your points in the future. Now it sounds like saying that ABS cars don’t allow you to develop proper breaking technique and sensitivity, which is true indeed but why do we need them when we can all be safer with ABS?

One day my brain was like wtf is pitch control and I bust a prop, back to more ground handling.

good stuff... my wife wants in and I had been thinking mojo. would be nice to have her on the same as me, in her size of course. spyder3

Good One Kyle!!! Cathy’s mojo pwr is harder to inflate, compared to my spider, Ive noticed this myself. Maybe Cathy should work with mine & hone those skills. We’ll work on that - and let ya know next time we see ya ;0) Thanks Kyle!!!

I learned pitch control the hard way!😫

Hi Kyle have you ever tried the Dominator and if you did what do you think of it?

I just bought the new Mojo 6, and have 8 bunny days, and 3 flight days off Marshall in San Bernardino, 4 flights. I just flew 2 hours on the Mojo 6. It's easy to kite and learn to fly. I'll bet this wing is an exception for an A wing, rated best in it's class for XC, and 28% less line drag. I'm finding as a beginner that the hang gliders are following me around because I catch more lift than the other older gliders...

Got it. Mojo👎spyder👍 universal👍, I'm not super dell.😂🤣😂

what mojo did u use they got 2 3 4 5 now a mojo 6 for 2020. I got the mojo 5 2017.

I learned to fly a b wing so I don’t really know the difference.

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But O.G. what wing is the right wing for me??

I'm just starting out to paraglide I bought two wings off of a guy and he told me they are beginner come to find out their class c&d and it's professional I got them both up in the air but they're too quick now I'm stuck with them they're in top-notch shape I would love to try them for a beginner's maybe just one cuz after I get past the a and b-class I it so if anybody out there that's past a and d class and they're wanting to move forward to a professional Wing I would trade with you just let me know and I can send you to your phone

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No what the hell is wrong with you the Dominator is the only wing to start and end with whats wrong with you super O.