It's like an arrow specialized for combat in a national all-out war, and it's generally a pain in the ass to use. The advantages are longer range, the enemy can't reload, and most importantly, increased productivity. Since we're going to be firing sequentially from the ramparts, we'll have plenty of time to reload. Even arrows shot by the enemy that are in bad shape can be reused with a little tinkering. You don't even need arrowheads, just sharpen them in front of you and roast them over a fire. The freedom of arrow length is a huge productivity booster. Surprisingly, it's not common for trees to grow as straight as the original arrow length. However, palm-length ones are quite common in whole tree systems. You can even shoot chopsticks. In an all-out war, everything is always in short supply. If you have the materials and time to make a decent arrow, something like a chopstick would be many times more productive. And if you get hit by bare flesh, the chopstick is going to get wounded and die anyway.
I wanted to say thank you Armin! As I've just started horse bow using thumb draw and Armin is the most calming and reassuring archery channel to watch. A patient teacher who gives a lot of options in how to shoot and starting out. I haven't been able to start thumb draw like he suggests unfortunately. But have spent time practicing drawing with my thumb for several weeks just drawing and holding the bow before I ever shot an arrow with it to build up tendon strength and am taking it easy to begin.
The advantage of the short arrows is that you cant see it when its flying toward you, unlike the regular long arrows and so it drives fear into your enemies and they cant reuse your arrows to shoot back at you.
약 900년 전 전부터 한국의 중세 국가인 고려에서 사용한 무기입니다. 일반 활이 260미터 정도는 날아간 반면 편전은 370미터 정도를 날아갔습니다. 편전은 관통력이 좋았고 특히 전쟁 중에 화살이 모자르면 화살를 부러트려서 편전을 이용하여 두발씩 쏠 수 있었던 이점이 있었습니다. ( 저의 개인적인 사견으로 , 편전은 일정 거리 내에서 작고 빠른 탄도 궤적의 직진성이 비교적 더 좋았을 것으로 생각합니다..) 또한 날아오는 화살의 궤적이 보이지 않아서 피하기가 어려웠습니다. 고려의 장군 이성계는 이 편전을 능숙하게 사용하였는데 적 장군의 얼굴에 맞추기를(headshot) 잘했습니다. 15세기, 조선 세종대왕 때에는 조정에서 이 편전 전술이 타국으로 새어나가지 못하도록 국경 근처에서는 절대로 편전 훈련을 하지 못하게 했다고 합니다.
서양과 서남아시아, 인도에도 솔레나리온 같이 가벼운 화살을 통아에 넣어서 발사하는 방식이 이미 오래 전부터 존재해 왔다. 효과도 비슷해서 먼 거리에서 빠른 화살을 날려서 적을 교란시키는 용도였습니다 우리나라에서 애기살은 몽골 침입 이후부터 사용된 것으로 보이는데, 저쪽은 훨씬 전인 6세기 경부터 기록이 등장한 바 있죠 참고로 조선에서는 당나라 때 중국에 존재한 통전(筒箭, 통사(筒射))가 애기살과 유사한 무기라는 관념이 조선시대에 존재하였기때문에 애기살과 유사한 무기가 고려 말 이전부터 동아시아 지역에 있었을 가능성이 높습니다
Thank you for explaining the bow of Korea in detail. There is also a Korean movie that deals with Baby Arrows you mentioned, so it would be good to refer to it. The movie is titled 'War of the Arrows (2011).
I’d love to learn how to shoot one of these. Just got through watching the movie War of the Arrows. And we get some really good action shots of thumb draw with string twist and the Tong-ah/Pyunjun. Fantastic!!! Always love watching your videos, I purchased my first Asiatic bow after one of your reviews.
편전에 장점... 1. 적이 화살을 재활용 할수 없다. (통아가 없으면 쓸수가 없고. 통아를 습득해도 오랜 연습 없이는 긴 화살을 쓰던 적은 편전을 쓸수가 없다.) 2.화살이 짧아서 가볍기 때문에 같은 활로 쏴도 사거리가 늘어나고 관통력도 올라간다. (실제로 편전은 50미터나 그 이하 보다 100미터 이상 120미터 거리에서 관통력이 더 좋다.) 3.적에 화살을 짤라서 화살에 갯수를 늘릴수 있기에 많은 화살을 날릴수 있다. 4.실제 역사책을 인용 하자면 만주에 침략자(오랑케)들이 조선이 쏜 긴 화살을 방패나 칼로 처내서 막자 화가 난 조선 병사들이 편전을 쐈고 통아를 화살로 착각하는 현상으로 언제 쐈는지 모르고 화살이 작아서 보이지 않아 막을수도 없어서 만주족에 침략자(오랑케)들은 편전을 무서워 했다라고 한다....
@Yuno_tschoe 이 정도 수준 높은 댓글에 굳이 그런 꼬투리 잡는 맞츰법 나치 짓을 하고 싶은가요? 그러는 님도 이 분처럼 많은 정보를 담고 있는 글을 길게 써보시죠. 제가 맞춤법 평가를 해드릴테니^^. 아마 그러지 못하겠죠. 일단 그러면 님의 하찮은 맞춤법 지식이 탄로날 테고, 그걸 떠나 님은 그럴 만한 지식도 없고 그저 남이 정성들여 써 놓은 귀한 정보에 트집이나 잡는 수준밖에 안되는 그저 자격지심과 열등감밖에 안 남은 늙은이니까요. ^^
This is another great thing about your channel and style of reviewing. You often have unique bows, arrows, and accessories show us and review. We don't really get that anywhere else.
So cool! I’ve been fascinated since seeing War of the Arrows for the first time. I particularly enjoyed all the teaching you did in this video. Thank you, Armin🙇🏻♂️
I enjoyed your video and as said above, the War of Arrows is a great archery movie that uses different shooting methods and gear. I definitely wish there was more
The fiddling through of the Tong-Ah looks a little uneasy… but if it’s done that way… 🤷♀️ How sad, that one baby arrow got damaged! Hope, you can fix it! Thank you so much for sharing this experience, dear Armin! ☺️🙏
Aegisal[æ-gi-sal/æ-ki-sal], also known as pyunjeon[piʒɜn-dʒɜːn], is a very short arrow that was used only in Korea, the only country in the world to use it. It cannot be shot with a bow alone, but can be used in conjunction with a dutsal[dʌt-sal]. The dutsal is also called a tonga[toŋ-a], and it acts as a kind of guardrail to help you shoot the short arrow with the bow. Your pronunciation of tonga in the video is correct, but the puunjeon should be pronounced as [piʒɜn-dʒɜːn], not [piʒɜn-iʒɜːn]. But regardless of the pronunciation, your passion and interest in bows and arrows is very impressive, and your assessment is very accurate. Just as people know that the Japanese sword is a famous traditional weapon of Japan, I hope that through your video, people will realize that the Korean traditional bow, the kukgung[gʊk-guːŋ/kʊk-kuːŋ], was a very powerful traditional weapon that fended off the Japanese soldiers who invaded Korea.
I wouldn't worry about the damaged pyeon jeon. From what I can see, a bit of one nock tine is missing as is a part of the side of the nock's body. The sinew wrap is also gone. All three are repairable or still useable. First the nock tine. As long as the tine has at least half of its width and all of its length, there should be no problem nocking the pyeon jeon. I had a bamboo arrow in the same condition and used it with no negative affects. Just file or sand off any rough edges or surfaces. For any missing wood in the tine's body, make up a mixture of fine sawdust and wood glue and fill in the missing area. Sand off any excess to shape. Replacing the sinew could be a small problem if it has been lacquered. Remove the existing /remaining sinew and replace/wrap the nock with more sinew or, if you don't have sinew, string material. Lacquering the wrap is an option, one that I would recommend. On another note. If you have bamboo arrows, or wooden ones for that matter, and they get damaged in the front half, it is fairly easy to make them into pyeon jeons. Remove the point, cut the back half to the length desired and put the point on. I have a dozen made in this manner sitting on my desk at this moment and all are quite usable. Best and enjoy.
Just for info you need to put the arrow opposite from the normal knot For less resistance during the process of the arrow's passing and releasing Hope you have fun and safe time With your new experience:)
Dear Armin Hirmer, I hope you watch the Korean movie 'War of the Arrows(최종병기 활)', which was released in 2011. You can learn about the various traditional bows and their uses and secrets that Korea used during China's war against the Qing Dynasty from hundreds of years ago. It is in the very film that 'Tong-ah' and 'Pyunjun' appear. And since a long time ago, the Chinese have called Koreans 'Dongi-jok' which means 'a people who are good at bowing and gentle with them.' 🙂
these traditional korean arrows have much much wider nocks without a “clicking” point. so you gotta be extra attentive to keep the arrow nocked. or install thicker knocking point.
The wider spacing between tines of the nock has to do with the fact that the material used for hornbow strings, until recently, was a natural fibre and not as strong as the HMPE or other polyester materials. I have several strings made of this natural fibre and, in order to have a string capable of handling the poundages of hormbows, they require over 100 strands. The strands are very thin, but you still require the large number of them. A string made of say BCY Spectra 652 only uses 30 to 36 strands and is about 3/4 as thick. The difference is made up using two servings, one made of regular serving material and the other made of a single strand of string material.
Servus Armin, tolles Video, ich frage mich nur nach den Nutzen dieses Teils, warum einfach wenns umständlich auch geht😂 Aber interessant mal zu sehen. Gruß aus Viechtach
Interesing product, thanks for showing! If I ever try that, I'll do it on an empty range for sure. ^^ (Also, there is no way I am not watching "War of the arrows" again tonight.)
I have a right handed recurve with a shelf. Pretty standard bow. I also have some broken arrows, do you think it's possible to use a tong ah/majra with it. Resting the device on the bow's shelf?? Greetings and thanks!!
if you have a right handed recurve (shelf on the left) and shoot with your right hand, you might have a chance to shoot your arm if you make a mistake.
"I don't like my life; look at this." Ha ha, you always make me laugh. I was saying the same thing after my archery practice yesterday. But mine was from very bad shooting, not the opposite. I was also going to make a sarcastic comment, that now you have shown us a great many disadvantages to using this baby arrow system (not the least of which, being that you can shoot yourself in the arm), but never a single advantage. But now I have read the comments, and I understand better.
It was for war and was a secret weapon. I did not want to reveal the secret of this bow to the enemy. If you do not have a launcher called Tong-a, even if the enemy acquires an arrow, it cannot be reused. It has a much longer range than normal arrows, and it is said that it was difficult to see them flying due to its small size. Enemies from a distance see that Tong-a remains after shooting an arrow, and they mock that they do not know how to shoot a bow properly, and they are said to have been hit by baby arrows.
very specific bow not to be in a hurry to shoot an arrow every 10 seconds but it's very fast ! what is this kind of bow history ? hunting bow with heavy arrows ? war bow ?
It was for war and was a secret weapon. I did not want to reveal the secret of this bow to the enemy. If you do not have a launcher called Tong-a, even if the enemy acquires an arrow, it cannot be reused. It has a much longer range than normal arrows, and it is said that it was difficult to see them flying due to its small size. Enemies from a distance see that Tong-a remains after shooting an arrow, and they mock that they do not know how to shoot a bow properly, and they are said to have been hit by baby arrows.
통아는 쏘고 오른쪽 옆으로 팔을 펴면서 떨어트리듯이 멋지게 놔야 합니다 손가락에 줄은 걸어두고서요 그것 또한 한국의 전통활을 쏘는 방법입니다. 그래야 적이 화살을 못쏘고 놓쳤다 생각하는 순간 맞는 것이죠 통아는 보조수단의 막대기를 말하는 것이고 정식명칭은 편전이라고 해야 합니다 편전은 우리민족의 비밀병기로 국경지대에선 그 관리를 엄격히 했던 무기입니다.
@@LansAki 작은 화살을 가이드 레일을 사용 날리는 궁술은 타국에도 존재했는데 가장 이른 것으로 추정되는 것이 동로마 제국의 솔레나리온 입니다 6세기 마우리키우스 황제 시기의 병법서인 마우리키우스의 스트라테기콘(Strategikon)에 실린 것이 최초의 기록으로 치명적이고 장거리 사격이 가능하므로 경보병에게는 활, 화살, 화살통, 그리고 나무 통아(solenaria)와 편전, 편전용의 작은 화살통으로 무장시킬 것을 권장한다는 이야기가 실려있습니다
와우 우리나라 편전까지 소개를 하고 있군요. 우리나라 활을 유네스코 세계문화유산에 빨리 신청합시다. 이런 놀라운 기술은 세계알려서 우리나라 고대 시력을 보여주고 자랑해야 합니다. 세계에서 가장 멀리나가고 강력한 군사 무기 우리나라는 과거 고대에도 최고의 기술로 나라를 지킨 민족입니다.
The real advantege is the arrow is not visible when flight. The manchu and chinese raiders durig the raid to korea in joseon dynasty was really affraid for this arrows.
Nach Adam Karpowicz ("Osmanische Kompositbogen") gehen die relativen Pfeilgewichte mit steigender Bogenstärke runter auf 5gpp (= 5 grain Pfeilgewicht pro Pfund Zuggewicht). Ein traditioneller Holzpfeil in voller Länge von 26-28" hält das nicht unbedingt aus, da ist die Verwendung kürzerer Pfeile sinnvoll. Und dann erzielt man gegenüber einem Pfeil voller Länge einen Gewichts-und Geschwindigkeitsvorteil. Dass man diesen sehr schnellen Mini-Pfeil, erst recht aus größerer Distanz, nicht mehr sieht, wurde ja schon erwähnt.
안녕하세요 지금 님이 쓰는 활은 연습용활입니다 연습용활에 당신은 놀라는군요 전투용활은 2~3배 더 강한 것이었습니다 일본제국주의 놈들 때문에 그 기술이 사라져버려서 복원을 못하죠 어쨋던 당신들이 놀라는 저 활은 평상시 연습용으로 쓰던 활입니다. 시위를 당기는 힘을 보니 제가 가지고 있는 습사용(수련용) 으로 약한 것입니다. 제가 우리나라 활을 자랑하려고 쓰는 말이 아니고 역사책과 외국에 있는 박물관의 유물에서 있는 전투용활에 대한 주장입니다
The advantage of baby arrows is that from a distance, they can distract enemies that the arrow wasn't fired, and can actually kill enemies by flying out of sight and quickly.
Pyeonjeon is a long-range sniper arrow. It is an arrow that, similar to a bullet, is rather weak when fired from an intermediate distance, and becomes more powerful the farther it flies. So, the Joseon army used to carry jangjeon (normal arrow) separately and use arrows suitable for the situation. Won Gyun, Admiral of the Joseon Navy, once said, "Shoot a pyeonjeon at long range, shoot a jangjeon at medium range, and use a sword or club in close combat."
PyunJun arrow is used with TongAh. PyunJun arrow length ( 30cm = 1 feet ) is half of normal arrow. PyunJun arrow weight is 20% lighter than normal arrow weigh. But because PyunJun arrow speed is much faster than normal traditional bow arrow, PyunJun arrow penetration power is much higher than normal traditional arrow and PyunJun arrow has much more linear trajectory and much more long range capabilities, that means it was also used as a sniper arrow. PyunJun arrow speed is 70~90 meter/second which is comparable to modern compound bow arrow. When launched, TongAh still remains at the site, therefore the enemy misunderstands that arrow was not launched. Because of small size and faster speed, the enemy's eye cannot easily capture the flying PyunJun arrow. According to Korean history documents, the enemy armies trembled with extreme fear for Korean PyunJun arrow.
@@Theslaveoflogic 편전은 너무 가벼워서 특정 비거리 내에선 정상궤도를 잡지 못하기 때문에 순수 물리에너지는 원거리에서의 그것에 비해 높아도 박히는 각도 때문에 관통력이 떨어집니다. 그에 반해 멀리 날아갈수록 궤도가 안정화되기 때문에 근거리에 비해 물리에너지는 약해져도 올곧게 박히기 때문에 아이러니하게도 관통력은 더 강해집니다.
Pyeonjeon, a traditional Korean bow, is an arrow made to prevent it from being recyclable in combat against enemies. And because the arrows were small in combat, it was very difficult to tell whether you shot them or not, so there were many advantages in combat.
Pretty awesome invention. If your enemies only shoot regular sized arrows, they won't be able to shoot yours back at you, and will be scratching their heads trying to figure out how you launched such a tiny arrow in the first place.
There's one more point. Tong'ah looks like a regular arrows so enemies would think you are still holding your arrow. They won't be able to know where the heck tiny arrows come from.
편전(애기살) 장점은 작기 때문에 더 멀리 날아가고 바람의 저항이 적어 더 빠르게 날아가기 때문에 살상력 높아요. 그리고 통아가 없으면 재활용도 못하기 때문에 전쟁에서 장점이였죠. 단점이라면 숙련도가 높아야 하기 때문에 궁수 키우기 힘들고 미숙하다면 다치는 경우가 있었음
The advantage of this arrow is that it can fly further because it is light, and furthermore, from the enemy's point of view, it was inevitable because the flying arrow was not visible. Tong-ah seems to be a brand name and is called 'Pyeonjeon' or 'Ah-ki-sal.' 'Pyeonjeon' means a small arrow, and 'Ah-ki-sal' means a baby arrow. Because this is a killing arrow used in actual warfare, it's not retrievable, and so it's probably been manufactured in a way that makes it mass-produced rather than durable.
Can I use this with laminated bow from nomad ktb? Seems like the baby arrow doesn't reach the minimum GPP (my bow is 45lbs) will it break my bow for it's too light?
Once it was a top secret. Compared to the regular arrows, these baby arrows are deadlier than regular ones at a long range. Its penetration power shows at longer range, longer distance. The longer it flies it has more penetration than regular ones. Should test at a longer distance from the target.
편전의 진짜 무서운 점은 안보이고 안들린다는 점이다 그래서 어디서 어떻게 쏘는지 알수가 없다는 것이지 그리고 바람을 타고 적에게 날아가는 것이 보통의 화살이지만 편전은 높은 관통력으로 바람을 뚫고 날아가는데 문제는 들리지가 않으니 이유도 모르고 갑자기 죽어있는 자신을 보게될 것이라는 점이다
