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This is a video of the first start in over 72 years of a 1942 Cleveland 8-268A diesel engine. The engine had not run since December 6th 1946, a lapse of 72 years, 4 months, and one day.
The engine drives both an AC and DC generator and is located in the #4 engine room of the USS Stewart DE-238, a destroyer escort and now a museum ship in Galveston Texas.
The engine is an in-line, 8 cylinder, 2-stroke, supercharged (roots blower) diesel engine. The Cleveland/Winton engine company was purchased by General Motors in 1930 and is now widely regarded as the predecessor to modern EMD or Electro-Motive Diesel engines.
The high pressure compressor is located in the #3 engine room and is capable of producing 3,500 PSI compressed air. This compressor was intended for use in charging torpedo tubes but was exclusively used for its current purpose, charging the start air tanks as the torpedo tubes were removed from the vessel very early on in its career.
In my other videos I show updates on the engine and all the auxiliary equipment that had to be restored in order to get the engine running.
For more videos or information on the engine, ship, or its history please feel free to contact me or the museum!
Thanks for watching.
www.galvestonnavalmuseum.com/

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@rayg9069
@rayg9069 5 лет назад
Beautiful old engine, I worked for GM in Australia on the modern EMD's and smaller 2 strokes, the Cleveland is just beautiful
@Mercmad
@Mercmad 5 лет назад
I served my apprenticeship on the EMD (and smaller rolls royce,Leyland ,Gardner and cat) .I still enjoy the sound of an EMD notching up under load. An old mate of mine had a Winton Car,built in the 1800's.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
@@Mercmad That's very cool. Also one of my favorite parts of working with these engines. Thanks for watching!
@artwilmer7355
@artwilmer7355 5 лет назад
did you ever know Earl Nemic
@safetyfirstintexas
@safetyfirstintexas 2 года назад
I worked on the switch engines george bacukman of relco, (old 3 finger george) bought back in 79. the old alco's that threw coal bits out of the exaust. Turning oil filters and tripping out individual cylinder with the grasshopper valve. Inspecting cylinder walls by standing upside down in the cylinders. At 18 that was the shit!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Quite the experience! Thanks for watching!!
@vintageeveryday2020
@vintageeveryday2020 5 лет назад
You hear that sound? It sounds like...Victory!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@larrygall5831
@larrygall5831 5 лет назад
This thing sounds great! I was amazed at how smooth it was running.. you could tell every cylinder was firing.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
I was just as surprised, you wouldn't think something that had been sitting that long would sound like that but there was a lot of effort which made it that way. Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@robertgall1275
@robertgall1275 5 лет назад
Hey Larry, I like your last name!
@JRotten
@JRotten 5 лет назад
Thank you for waking the old girl up. She still sings like a song bird, and I bet a million hours more of reliable service left in her pistons.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@BillSikes.
@BillSikes. 5 лет назад
Well put, there's nothing like the sound of a large marine deisel engine :)
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
@@BillSikes. I agree. Thanks for watching!
@theguy9234
@theguy9234 5 лет назад
Back when diesels were simple and well built.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Simple enough for me to work on! Thanks for watching.
@bargu
@bargu 5 лет назад
Modern engines might not be simple, but an military naval engine of that size will be extremely well built.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
@@bargu The Cleveland engine line in it's entirety was incredibly over built. The modern 710 series EMD engines are updated versions of this 80 year old design. Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@randomgoogler1398
@randomgoogler1398 5 лет назад
Grandpa served as a Machinist Mate during WWII on DE-244 (Otterstetter). Hearing that engine run brings to my mind so many of his stories. Like while shooting at a sea mine, it exploded too close to the ship. Shrapnel went right thru the hull into the engine room. Apparently, above the waterline. Grandpa never really seemed to have much confidence in the gunners abilities to hit much. I'm thinking that the hole might have been close to his station or bunk. Thank you guys so much for sharing this.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words! That's a very neat story from your grandfather. I met a former USS Otterstetter sailor who was a volunteer on the USS Slater some years ago.
@BELCAN57
@BELCAN57 5 лет назад
Shrapnel through the hull....hence the name "Tin Can"
@garygsp3
@garygsp3 5 лет назад
When I worked at Titan Tire Bryan Ohio they had an old diesel engine from a WWII destroyer. They would run it during thunderstorms for backup electrical power for control power for the boilers. That beauty was about twice that size and I loved running it. Prime this handle for fuel on this side. Prime this handle on the other side for fuel. Set the throttle to 3 clicks and then hit the air start. 90% of they time she would fire first time. The other 10% you had to start all over again. Man never more than twice. Wish I had bothered to pay more attention to the build tag
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
After WWII many marine engines were repurposed to various shoreside jobs. I always enjoy hearing about the applications they were placed into for their second life. Thanks for sharing that info and watching the video!
@Mechknight73
@Mechknight73 5 лет назад
Sat idle for 70 years, yet fired up as though it had been run yesterday. They definitely don't make 'em like this anymore
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@boringpolitician
@boringpolitician 5 лет назад
In 70 years they'll say the same thing about the engines of today. ;)
@SpeakerPolice
@SpeakerPolice 5 лет назад
@@boringpolitician I'm not sure the engines of today will last 70 years...but the ones that are already 40 and 50 might still be around then :P
@GOBRADON502
@GOBRADON502 5 лет назад
@@SpeakerPolice it's not that engines to day are made bad or cheap it's that not all engines are made for the same purpose just like big diesel engines made to pull stuff have to made sturdier then a small car or truck wouldn't benefit of having an engine like this in the engine bay it doesn't make sense nor would it be practical so i guess a lot of those people who think those old engines are better then today's would rather still be using steam powerd cars ,trains,ships etc are just plain Antiquated people
@SpeakerPolice
@SpeakerPolice 5 лет назад
@@GOBRADON502 I don't think electronically controlled engines made with thinner, cheaper alloys will last as long as purely mechanical units made of cast iron. It doesn't have to do with the use case so much as it does the build quality. A similar argument could be made for TV sets...today's modern flat panels will absolutely be garbage 50 years from now :/
@zuzudoggie8288
@zuzudoggie8288 5 лет назад
Ran an old ferry boat that had two of those from a DE, along with the DC generators and motors with reduction gear. Cheap cylinder heads from Texas were always cracking until we figured out previous crew had firing pressures too high. When we scrapped them they were worn out, 1988. The fish boat that got one said it was the best engine they ever had, cracked block and all. Hey, it would run all the time. I met the guy who designed it. Old timer came through for a ride, what a treat. He did it in something like 6 months for the war. Parts always available from various sources.
@andrewmoore4549
@andrewmoore4549 5 лет назад
Asher, you all should be so proud. I am so happy you went for the service generator over the emergency. I can imagine it was a lot more work. But, it was worth it.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Andrew, I never would have attempted it, let alone complete it without your help and guidance. I'll never forget that. Thanks again boss!
@darrenhillman8396
@darrenhillman8396 5 лет назад
A delight for the ears and for the eyes! Well done to you and the team for the work you have done to keep a piece of history alive! Greetings form the UK!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@stevepilkington3181
@stevepilkington3181 5 лет назад
Best diesel builder ever that not many ever heard of the Cleveland was a huge part of winning ww2.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@Slaktrax
@Slaktrax 2 года назад
Beautiful, ...it's the well worn saying. ''They don't make them like they used to''.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Absolutely right. Thanks for watching!
@sagebrushbob2321
@sagebrushbob2321 5 лет назад
After spending 21 years in navy ship engine rooms as an Electricians Mate and engineering watch officer, the look and sounds of that old Cleveland generator are like music to my ears. Sounds like old home week to me. Thank all of you at the naval museum for keeping our history alive.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@jimciancio9005
@jimciancio9005 2 года назад
That's one awesome genset power plant!!! Wow I've never seen inside one of those and its amazing the technology it has just from the brief overview of the cylinder head! Never knew they had the roller camshaft in the head which is pretty brilliant and it lessens the pushrods and I was blown away to see that it was a roller cam no less because they didn't start to be used in the racing industry until the mid 80s and production vehicles in the late 80s early 90s! The fact they were using this kind of technology in military equipment makes me wonder WTF they'd have today if that's 80+ yrs old now lmao! Sounds like it'd brand new after having sat for that long, incredible stuff!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Thanks for watching!
@carp614
@carp614 5 лет назад
That is truly a delight to see and hear. Thank you for sharing this moment.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@gtb81.
@gtb81. 5 лет назад
that thing is so old yet it sounds 10x better than any new diesel engine you can get today, incredible!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
One of these days I'll get around to posting a video of the engine at speed and carrying a load. It's a totally different sound and quite a scream! Thanks for watching!
@gtb81.
@gtb81. 5 лет назад
it seems to me that the all mechanical engines run very well when properly tuned, i have a Massey Ferguson 230 from the 70's that is all mechanical that my dad and my grandad rebuilt and it doesn't even smoke when running
@Wingnut353
@Wingnut353 5 лет назад
That's because new diesels run more thier timing advanced... so your get more pronounced knocking or pinging, even gasoline engines are moving in this direction as it is more efficient.
@gtb81.
@gtb81. 5 лет назад
does it effect life at all?
@Wingnut353
@Wingnut353 5 лет назад
@@gtb81. not if it is designed to work like that... diesels are typically and almost all of them except very old ones with very delayed timing (and lost power due to this) knock. Gasoline engines will have to be beefed up for compression ignition to work there.... Mazda and Toyota have engines coming that are going to hit in the 40-45% efficiency range which is very high near theoretical peak. Here's my 353 Detroit running, you can clearly hear the knock ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1-m9qpruyO8.html
@philbell7952
@philbell7952 3 года назад
Navy taught me about these engines ! 61-65 @ used that knowledge till i retired 2010 👍👍🤛🤛 Thanks Navy ⚓️
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Very cool. Thanks for watching!
@markbass9402
@markbass9402 2 года назад
I worked as an electrician in a power plant on Diego Garcia in 1975. We had 5 or 6 Fairbanks and Morse 10 cylinder opposing piston submarine engines turning 4160 Volt generators. The engine room was beautiful. Im still working as an electrician in a power production capacity. Over 40 years at Lockheed Martin. Thank you Navy!
@riderstrano783
@riderstrano783 3 года назад
Feeling those engines start up never gets old! Firefighter’s engines can still be ran up anytime we have the personnel, and even our chief engineer agrees that there’s just nothing like it!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thanks for watching! I would love to see a video of the Firefighter's engines. I've always thought she was a beautiful boat with a great story. Cheers!
@riderstrano783
@riderstrano783 3 года назад
@@FixAndForget I’ll post a vid I took of what ended up being a fail. The ailment ended up being an airbound fuel line, it was fixed a relatively short time later
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Absolutely! I had a very similar issue with this engine after adding a modern Racor style filter. It happens!
@riderstrano783
@riderstrano783 3 года назад
@@FixAndForget ours was cause by the boat just sitting for a while
@jmyers9853
@jmyers9853 5 лет назад
there are a few of the old 268's still around, that engine and the old 567's were legendary engines for their reliability they carried us through ww2 and beyond. the parts were of beautiful quality.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
They are incredibly over built pieces of equipment. That combined with their extraordinary simplicity are the reasons why they are still with us. Thanks for watching!
@johnsimpson4191
@johnsimpson4191 5 лет назад
Jim. BE PROUD OV YOUR COUNTRY.... AS I AM..
@robertmoulton2656
@robertmoulton2656 3 месяца назад
General Motors. Back when the General had 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 5 stars and proud of it , and earned it.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 месяца назад
It's been a while but I think Cleveland might have still been independent when this engine was built. Regardless, the engines GM acquired with the Winton/Cleveland acquisition certainly helped carry them into the future and was at least one of the 5 stars belonging to the General! Thanks for watching!
@fredyeah
@fredyeah 5 лет назад
So great watching history come back to life! Great video 👍
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@pulsenpal7882
@pulsenpal7882 5 лет назад
finish of the forged conn rods of Cleveland Diesel was museum quality-art
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
They have a very nice stainless steel type look to them. The 3cyl Cleveland in the next engine room forward of this one, has sat with the sump full of saltwater and the rods/bearings in that engine still shine.
@mytmousemalibu
@mytmousemalibu 5 лет назад
Looks and sounds beautiful! Bravo! The sound of a healthy, large displacement 2-stroke diesel when cold is just music! I love that mix of sounds and that injection knock!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching! My favorite part of the old Cleveland and EMD engines is the whine from the gear driven blower, it turns into quite the scream at rated RPM (1,200).
@bmthnow12
@bmthnow12 5 лет назад
Its definitely a 4 stroke you have both valves and camshaft
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
@@bmthnow12 Thanks for watching! The engine is a 2-stroke Cleveland diesel 8-268A. Most 2 stroke diesel engines are set up like this one, 4 exhaust valves (2 per rocker), a unit injector, and scavenging air ports in the center of the liner with a blower or some kind of forced induction system.
@mytmousemalibu
@mytmousemalibu 5 лет назад
@@bmthnow12 Just as Mr. Spalding said, 2-stroke. All the 2-stroke diesels I am aware of have similar arrangements, either 2 or 4 valves per cylinder, all are exhaust, full speed cams, ported cylinders for intake, unit injectors and a scavenging blower. Cleveland, Detroit/GMC, EMD, Alco , etc.
@justinhiggins2210
@justinhiggins2210 5 лет назад
roller rockers all them years ago gotta love it
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
The old Cleveland engines are very similar to modern EMD 710 series engines. Not much has changed in the development of large 2-stroke diesel engines in the last 80 years. Thanks for watching!
@wilburfinnigan2142
@wilburfinnigan2142 5 лет назад
Justin Higgina Hell even the old Allison V12 aircraft engine used a roller set up on its over head cam 4 valves !!! Something even the "fabled" RR Merlin did NOT have !!!!
@JFinnerud
@JFinnerud 5 лет назад
Wow, nice to see all that effort resulting in a running engine. Keep up the good work :)
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thank you! It's a neverending process but also very rewarding. The big objective now is to visually restore the space so it looks as good as it did in 1945.
@johnmelancon9207
@johnmelancon9207 5 лет назад
Thanks for sharing this! Great job, incredible engine!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@jonglastra1195
@jonglastra1195 3 года назад
I'm from Seattle, where Hatch & Kirk, current owners of the CLEVELAND nameplate have their headquarters. In the late 1970s, I worked as a relief oiler for Washington State Ferries. At that time, they had three boats w/ CLEVELAND power plants, EVERGREEN STATE, KLAHOWYA & TILLICUM. These were built in Seattle in the late 1950s, very good ships. The mains were a pair of 16-278As, DC diesel-electric. The auxiliaries were a pair of 8-268As turning 900, on 150 KW AC generators. I'm told by old-timers that 268As were notorious for drinking lube oil. I got through an 8-hour shift w/ this 1 unit, never had to add a drop of lube oil. When I related this story to a diesel mech., he identified me as a pathological liar, until I told him it only turned 900, and was freshly rebuilt. The perfomance of main propulsion plant was very impressive - the responsiveness of the 16-278As was near-instant, no matter how quickly the load was applied. Long before DEADLIEST CATCH, ( 1960s & "70s,) surplus ARMY and NAVY FS ships (Freighter Small) were a popular platform for conversion to mobile floating crab processors. These had a pair of 6-278As for main engines, + a pair of 3-268As (100 KW @) 1200 for ship's service power. In the orig. configuration, these were DC, probably 220V.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thank you very much for the information! So many Cleveland engines went to work after the war in all sorts of different applications. I envy the 900 RPM sets, that 300 RPM makes a big difference. I purchased the very last 268a parts from H&K for this engine, they have since discontinued it unfortunately. Thanks for watching!
@johnbarron4027
@johnbarron4027 5 лет назад
I Love it, old guy using a screwdriver to detect knocks.
@haraldpettersen3649
@haraldpettersen3649 5 лет назад
John Barron - Stethoscope the old way .
@keno77
@keno77 5 лет назад
Works beautifully
@avman2cl
@avman2cl 5 лет назад
He might be using it to see if he can feel/hear the injectors pulse.
@haraldpettersen3649
@haraldpettersen3649 5 лет назад
@@avman2cl- He listens for scratches and click sounds.
@freighter109ha4
@freighter109ha4 5 лет назад
We still do it to this day. Works great.
@jonwm01
@jonwm01 5 лет назад
Ah yes I love these old engine start ups! Now that’s a land mark for reliability and quality
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching!
@westcoastbronco
@westcoastbronco 5 лет назад
I worked as the engineer on both the Cutter Morris and the Cutter Alert and they both had 8-268A's. Great engines.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching! I wasn't aware that those Cutters had CDED motors, that's really neat. Do you know what became of them?
@westcoastbronco
@westcoastbronco 5 лет назад
The Alert was last in Portland, OR. She is in really tough shape as she has not hauled in over 50 years. The Morris is in Rio Vista, CA and belongs to Liberty Maritime Museum. She had a 2 million refit 20 years ago and was repowered at the time.
@josephpadula2283
@josephpadula2283 2 года назад
The Alert sunk in Portland.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
I saw that, very sad. I hate to say it but I think there might be a few other historic cutters in trouble up there. Thanks for watching!
@jjalarcon2147
@jjalarcon2147 4 года назад
I think we had the same engines on the USS Kittiwake ASR-13. She was launched in 1945 and commissioned in 1946, but I was part of the decommissioning crew in 1994. Thanks for the video. It brings back memories of my snipe days.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
No problem. Thanks for watching! I will hopefully have some more videos of this engine in the coming months.
@icenijohn2
@icenijohn2 5 лет назад
Even without reading about this engine I immediately recognized it as the granddaddy of my bus's Detroit 6V92. It's amazing how such a strong family lineage extended from before WW2 to the 1990s. Wonderful! I grew up with Napier Deltics and Commer TS3s, so a 2-stroke diesel is always music to my ears.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
The Cleveland engines are closer to their larger EMD cousins but the resemblance to Detroit engines is also very strong. I recently began watching RU-vid videos by a guy who travels around and works on vintage buses and their Detroit engines. Very cool stuff. Thanks for watching!
@misters2837
@misters2837 Год назад
@@FixAndForget B-G-M (I love his new shop in Tenn)
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget Год назад
@@misters2837 Pretty cool stuff 😎
@jhogan1960
@jhogan1960 5 лет назад
No Hearing protection? Beautiful machine. When America built great stuff.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words! When the engine is idling in preparation to be brought to speed and loaded I don't wear ear protection so I can detect any slight abnormalities, the overall sound volume is very low at this point. When the engine is at speed or when I'm blowing it down the plugs go in, it becomes incredibly loud.
@johngnipper8768
@johngnipper8768 3 года назад
What!??
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Hahah I've said that countless times. Thanks for watching!
@jeffreyhicks4651
@jeffreyhicks4651 2 года назад
Wow thank you so much it is so cool to hear that engine run and to hear that history come alive again. It is a wonderful tribute the men who ran and maintained these ships during the war even though they are no longer hear we can remember what they did My grandpa would have so loved to hear that engine running he served aboard the USS HUSE D.E.145 in WW2
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Thanks for watching and taking the time to tell your story. I really appreciate hearing things like that, makes all the volunteer hours much more worth it. Cheers 🍻
@Shane-Singleton
@Shane-Singleton 5 лет назад
Very cool. I saw the Stewart when I was in Galveston last year although didn't go on board. Glad to see that this old 2-stroke is still a runner. I'm a fan of the big EMD 2-stroke diesels that followed afterward. Especially the 16-645
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Next time you're around let me know and I'll show you around. Thanks for watching!
@Shane-Singleton
@Shane-Singleton 5 лет назад
@@FixAndForget I think we're going to try to get down there again this year. Probably late summer. Would be very cool to get a real tour!
@paulorchard7960
@paulorchard7960 4 года назад
Now that is a relic worthy of a very well looked after retirement! Its massive, and puts to shame todays high powered but fragile alternatives!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
Thanks for watching! She is very well looked after these days indeed.
@huntsbychainsaw5986
@huntsbychainsaw5986 4 года назад
I will always love the sound, simplicity and durability of a two stroke diesel engine. The first truck I ever drove was a '69 GMC Brigadier with a Detroit two stroke diesel.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
One of the most distinct engine sounds for sure. Thanks for watching.
@huntsbychainsaw5986
@huntsbychainsaw5986 4 года назад
@@FixAndForget There is a very distinct difference between the sound of the Cleveland or EMD diesels and the Detroit two stroke diesel as well.
@ffjsb
@ffjsb 3 года назад
I didn't realize Brigadier's were that old. Two strokes were powerful engines, but just way too much pollution and noise. Personally, I prefer Cummins diesels.
@huntsbychainsaw5986
@huntsbychainsaw5986 3 года назад
@@ffjsb. I'm not a fan of Cummins, to many times being left at the roadside by an ISX engine with either an emissions system problem or catastrophic internal failure. Small Cummins engine for like a pickup or a Jeep sure I like those, but not a large commercial engine. I prefer Detroit for large commercial engines, specifically the 60 series as my preferred engine or the DD15 as the more modern and acceptable replacement.
@ffjsb
@ffjsb 3 года назад
@@huntsbychainsaw5986 Never seen a Cummins have a catastrophic internal failure. We use them in a lot of our fire apparatus. Any truck with modern emissions or computers can have problems. My LEAST favorite are IH/Navistar engines, I've seen three have catastrophic water pump failures over 30 years. And they just don't seem to have the power that other engines have.
@austindorf83
@austindorf83 5 лет назад
I know nothing about Diesel engines, nor the use of this specific one. But I found it fascinating!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
The engine is one of 4 generators on the USS Stewart (DE-238) in Galveston, TX. The Stewart is a WWII museum ship and isn't going anywhere any time soon. Check out the website and thanks for watching! www.galvestonnavalmuseum.com/
@Lex5576
@Lex5576 Год назад
That engine sounds damn good. The technology required to build those diesels back in the 1940s boggles the mind still today. It's nice to see the art of restoring these engines to working order is alive and well. These masterpieces of engineering are our nation's history and have to be preserved.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget Год назад
Thanks for watching! I absolutely agree, it's also a great experience working on them, cool to see how technology has improved over the years.
@isfeldt34
@isfeldt34 3 года назад
Wow! Just that sound! beautiful. I'm in Fort Worth, I'll have to somehow come and check that beauty out!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thanks for watching! The museum has been closed for close to a year now unfortunately. The engine rooms are also off the tour route. If you do ever make it out that way, let me know here and I'll see about getting you in. Thanks!
@isfeldt34
@isfeldt34 3 года назад
@@FixAndForget wow! That would be my dream! Being visually impaired, well I first have to find someone to drive me that far LOL, but that would totally make my day!
@camillesymons2170
@camillesymons2170 Год назад
Very impressive two-stroke straight-8 diesel sound! I built a replica of this engine with Legos and it has the realistic sound!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget Год назад
Haha thanks for watching!
@mschiffel1
@mschiffel1 5 лет назад
Awesome sounds !
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@scopex2749
@scopex2749 5 лет назад
Gorgeous piece of engineering!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@jesseamaya4413
@jesseamaya4413 3 года назад
Back in 2011 I bought an old m35a2 which had the Hercules all fuel in it. Thing had sat for 10 years. Changed fuel filters and put fresh fuel in it and 2 12 volt batteries and she fired up the second try. I really miss that old beast. Dead reliable. She really sang at 1800 rpm/ 48 mph.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thanks for watching! I had the opportunity to drive one a few years back, it was a great time. I've always thought it would be a cool project to put a series 71 or 92 Detroit in one. They are great trucks although the air over vacuum brakes leave a little to be desired.
@jesseamaya4413
@jesseamaya4413 3 года назад
@@FixAndForget yeah, the single circuit brake system could be questionable. Made one pay attention on the pre trip and make sure the parking brake worked right. I also got to work on a couple of ARRF Oshkosh trucks that had the 8V92T in them. My big boy squirt toys I called them. They'd get up to 70 mph in 58 seconds and come to a dead stop in 147 feet and could pump 1500 gallons of foam in a minute and a half. Not bad for something made in the early 70s.
@jorgeposadas1192
@jorgeposadas1192 2 года назад
That is so cooooool, just watching the valves opening and closing.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Thank you so much! Check out some of the other videos on the channel. I might go back and start this engine up again sometime in 2022!
@dieseldave71
@dieseldave71 4 года назад
Very nice! I always wondered at the designation for these engines, all the other Detroit/EMD 2 strokes were named for their cylinder displacement in cubic inches with the exception of the Clevelands. I had a chance years ago to buy a 3-268 gen set, I always regret passing it up. No idea what I would have done with it, but it was really cool. Same guy also had a Packard PT boat engine, I REALLY regret not buying that one.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
One of these days I'll post some more videos of my 8-268a.
@25musicmaker
@25musicmaker 4 года назад
Smoothly running, slight knock.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
Might have had some air in the fuel system that caused a momentary pre-ignition knock but that cleared up after a few seconds. Thanks for watching and the kind words!!
@milboltnut
@milboltnut 5 лет назад
brings back memories from the Navy days.... air start ALCOS'
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
I've never worked on an Alco before but might volunteer some of my time to a different museum to try and get one of theirs running again after a few years of sitting. Thanks for watching!
@benroof851
@benroof851 3 года назад
Super !! It runs like a dream now.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thank you! It all ended way better than expected. Thanks for watching!
@webbwalle
@webbwalle 5 лет назад
So cool!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@Kevin19700
@Kevin19700 4 года назад
Very informative!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@natehawkins2910
@natehawkins2910 5 лет назад
Sounds great!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@MotoScootMech
@MotoScootMech 4 года назад
Let me get this straight, 4 valves per cylinder, unit injectors in cylinders, back in 1942? Remarkable technology considering we still design modern diesels in much the same way!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
Thanks for watching! These Cleveland engines share many similarities to modern EMD units which are based off of the original Winton/CDED design. The 4 valve heads and unit injectors first made their appearance even earlier in the 1930's.
@shaunolinger964
@shaunolinger964 6 месяцев назад
I am hoping in the near future to be working on the restoration of a ship with two of these. Installed in 1942, and still there today. Thanks for this... I and my crewmates have this to look forward to if we get the ship.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 6 месяцев назад
Asher.spalding@gmail.com let me know if you need help. Best of luck!
@joeford860
@joeford860 5 лет назад
They really made engines out of quality materials back in the day.
@carsonhoover5767
@carsonhoover5767 5 лет назад
Joe Ford back then, when they made something they made it to last. Sadly now days we live in a greedy society so they make things with cheap materials and with the mind set of making a product not last very long so you will buy more.
@Platano_macho
@Platano_macho 5 лет назад
They needed to win a war
@lllpatricklll1
@lllpatricklll1 5 лет назад
Carson Hoover you have to consider who's buying too. Most people just want to turn the key and go. Never give a second thought about care or maintenance. Even the best made machine will quickly become worthless junk without proper care.
@wtfiswiththosehandles
@wtfiswiththosehandles 5 лет назад
That's just not true. These days 200k miles is something an engine is expected to do without serious repairs. 80 years ago, you would have to rebuild it several times before you even got close to that mileage.
@cumbob
@cumbob 5 лет назад
@@wtfiswiththosehandles even just the seventies and sixties you'd need a rebuild every 30-40k on engines
@YouNameItGaming
@YouNameItGaming 5 лет назад
And it runs about as good as she did fresh off the line no doubt 👍
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
I like to think so. Thanks for watching!
@tracylemme1375
@tracylemme1375 5 лет назад
In the US Army I trained on EMD 6V268A engines. They ran like tops. I also know a gentleman in The Bahamas who owns a tug powered by a 6-268. It must be the smallest series that Cleveland or EMD made.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
That's very cool. I've only seen a 6-567 EMD before, nothing smaller than that. If your friend needs a hand with his tug in the Bahamas, let me know, I spend most of my time in FT. Lauderdale. Thanks for watching!
@tonycarlisle9585
@tonycarlisle9585 2 года назад
Great video
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!!
@7ctransportcarpenter557
@7ctransportcarpenter557 2 года назад
Awesome sound from it , puts newer diesel engines to shame !!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Thanks for watching!
@eddielane9569
@eddielane9569 2 года назад
I don't know what the engine is mounted in but I am very impressed that it still runs after all this time. These are time-tested true art.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Thanks for watching! This is one of 4 generators on a WWII DE ship. Check video description for more information.
@sharonfrost9332
@sharonfrost9332 3 года назад
We had two V16_278A main engines and one 8-268A ships service generator engine in both the forward and after enginerooms on LST 1161. The 8-268A was rated at 450 HP at 1200 RPM. Or 300 KW. This was in the early 1960s.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
That's very interesting. One day I'll make a trip to a LST museum. Not sure if any have the Cleveland engines or all EMD and Detroit Diesel. Thanks for watching!
@gali01992
@gali01992 5 лет назад
Ahhh, that wonderful sound of diesel power!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
It doesn't get old. Thanks for watching!
@hellcatredeye-g6582
@hellcatredeye-g6582 5 лет назад
Wow 72 years and still keeps on ticking 😊🇺🇸
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching!
@hellcatredeye-g6582
@hellcatredeye-g6582 5 лет назад
You’re welcome
@Navyguy1990
@Navyguy1990 2 года назад
I love old iron like that! They just don’t make’em like that anymore.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Absolutely! Something really neat working on an engine made with a lot of brass. Thanks for watching!
@boonsnapper
@boonsnapper 5 лет назад
I spent 30 yrs working on the detroit two strokes from the 2-53 to the 16v149tib and you can tell this old bird is a two stroke
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
Detriot engines have many similarities with the much larger Cleveland line (both are GM products), although Cleveland engines are closer to EMD, the resemblance is still there. Thanks for watching!
@michaelshepherd6649
@michaelshepherd6649 3 года назад
A two stroke with valves, I don’t think so 🤔
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thanks for watching! That is a very common misconception. Unlike gas engines, almost all 2 stroke diesel (and all slow speed engines) have exhaust valves. Intake air is drawn in through ports in the cylinder liner and exhaust gas exits through conventional valves. A quick Google search will help to clear this up for you!
@TheButch1982
@TheButch1982 5 лет назад
A thing of beauty.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@BillSikes.
@BillSikes. 5 лет назад
Great work guys, not the easiest task, trying to start a large marine engine on a limited supply of compressed air
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words! With the engine cold and less than ~400PSI a little bit of starting fluid does the job, of course not enough to damage anything.
@BillSikes.
@BillSikes. 5 лет назад
@@JP-et8iq Wow, what a story, I'm glad you got that old tug boat started and moved out of the way
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
@@JP-et8iq That's an awesome story! Maybe one day someone will leave me something like that.
@rodfrost5051
@rodfrost5051 2 года назад
Sounds great.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
I agree Thanks for watching!
@karlsymons9470
@karlsymons9470 5 лет назад
Iwas on the YF885 at keyport wash. had two 8268aw/ twin disc reduction/reverse they were the best running engine
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
That's very neat, I have only worked on Cleveland units in generator applications. I've always wanted to see one in a propulsion application.
@neilbradley2150
@neilbradley2150 5 лет назад
I worked on a Cleveland diesel just like that, was an 8- 268A And there was a 3- 268 A was a Generator engine. Takes a series of steps to make that thing run. I remember valves for oil bleed air to start And for blowing it down each individual cylinder. Also there was a hand held pyro with a probe that could give you a reading so you could tell if that cylinder was firing each valve cover was polished kinda neat big 2 cycle. It was in a mine sweeper turned into pleasure craft Was owned by the famous man they called "The Duke" . I do believe these engines were used in Locomotives in that Era.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching! The Stewart has 2 8-268A engines and 2 3-268A engines onboard. All are generators. I'm very surprised by how many people have commented that they worked on these engines. It's incredible how long these things stayed around and the applications they were used in after the war.
@localcrew
@localcrew 5 лет назад
I thought this engine looked like an EMD. After reading the description, I see why that would be. Great work. Just subscribed!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching! There are few major differences between the old Cleveland engines and modern day EMD 710 series motors, the basic operating principals and designs haven't changed much in the last 80 years.
@williamjones4483
@williamjones4483 5 лет назад
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Diesel_Engine_Division
@officialworstmechanic
@officialworstmechanic 2 месяца назад
holy moly 72 years!!!!!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 месяца назад
Thanks for watching!
@rogerkline6914
@rogerkline6914 4 года назад
Our 8-268A sat between two 16-268a's in USS Rasher after engine room. A little nervous in the bilge between them looking at all those crankcase relief valves.........
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
That's the same setup as the USS COD who's crew still has the 8 and both 16's running today. I can't imagine how you guys worked down there, I have enough trouble working in a "spacious" engine room. The Gato class boat that sits next to this ship at the same museum had one of the 16's and the 8 removed in 1952. Thanks for watching!
@tacticalrepair
@tacticalrepair 2 года назад
Absolutely awesome.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@iBackshift
@iBackshift 5 лет назад
I like how he said "yeah, in case she runs away". Plate for the intake please...hahaha. Holy cow that engine sounds MINT! ! ! !
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks boss! The large C02 extinguisher and intake damper are precautions I take with any large 2 stroke engine I work with. One of these days I'll post a video of the engine at rated speed with a load on it. It really screams at 1,200 RPM.
@AntonyThorburn
@AntonyThorburn 5 лет назад
runs away! over turbos do that... too much AIR!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
@@AntonyThorburn A number of circumstances can cause this style of 2-stroke engine to run away. The most common are stuck injector racks, diesel in the lube oil, and bad seals on the blower (supercharger).
@AntonyThorburn
@AntonyThorburn 5 лет назад
@@FixAndForget thank you. Strange thing.
@mechanicman8687
@mechanicman8687 2 года назад
30 year Waukesha VHP mechanic here. ( Factory Trained ) I approve
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Thanks for watching and the expert approval!
@Razehell42
@Razehell42 5 лет назад
Really Cool!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@sm-jmsj5607
@sm-jmsj5607 3 года назад
Now this is quality!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thanks for watching! Old school quality!
@jw4620
@jw4620 5 лет назад
Great! Thanks!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@JuliaCV9
@JuliaCV9 5 лет назад
thats impressive
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
I think so too! Thanks for watching and the kind words.
@carlatamanczyk3891
@carlatamanczyk3891 3 года назад
Brings back good memories of when I was an engineer on an old 1945 tug boat with a Hamilton Diesel.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thanks for watching! I am not familiar with Hamilton engines, I'll have to look them up, thanks!
@carlatamanczyk3891
@carlatamanczyk3891 3 года назад
@@FixAndForget I engineered on a few old rugs ta also had Buda. GM
@carlatamanczyk3891
@carlatamanczyk3891 3 года назад
I meant Buda, General Motors and Fairbanks Morse. I reay enjoyed the FB engines.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
@@carlatamanczyk3891 This ship has 4 10cyl FB main engines. Very unique engines.
@carlatamanczyk3891
@carlatamanczyk3891 3 года назад
@@FixAndForget Good old times.
@philbell7952
@philbell7952 3 года назад
This Engine @ the 278s helped win WW2 . 👍👍🤛🤛⚓️
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
It absolutely did. Thanks for watching!
@shiddy.
@shiddy. 5 лет назад
3:06 very cool cam setup
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching! I am personally not very happy with much of the video recording of this video but it's better than nothing.
@RickBaconsAdventures
@RickBaconsAdventures 5 лет назад
amazing that this engine is older than any living human being and it fires right up like it ran yesterday
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
It took me about 2 and a half years to get her ready but when it was time, she went. Thanks for watching!
@senormedia
@senormedia 3 года назад
Um, 1942 is not that long ago. My father and my grandmother are both alive and older than 72.
@RickBaconsAdventures
@RickBaconsAdventures 3 года назад
@@senormedia it was a joke
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
I think right around 80 is when old equipment turns the corner of being "old" and "ancient". Thanks for watching!
@jessehoeper
@jessehoeper 5 лет назад
Don’t know if it’s the same company but my father had a Cleveland 4 cylinder he used for a log splitter and multiple other farm projects and that thing went for years. I remember us kids wanted to rip it apart in his shop and he says keep your hands off that one.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
That's a pretty neat story! The Cleveland diesel engine division made 3,8,12, and 16cyl engines. However, even the 3cyl was rather massive and probably a little big for a log splitter. Thanks for watching!
@tinlizzie37
@tinlizzie37 4 года назад
I made a visit to the U.S.S. Cod a world war two submarine, and I believe they had two or three of these Cleveland made Engines in her. The Sub is docked in down town Cleveland ,Ohio!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
The Chief of the Boat on Cod, Darrell Flint, was a big help in getting this engine running. The Cod has 1 auxiliary 8-268a generator that runs and 2 of the 4 main generators (16-278a) that also run. Thanks for watching!
@ExploringCabinsandMines
@ExploringCabinsandMines 5 лет назад
Why would someone thumbs down this video ?
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
I ask myself the same question. However I'm much more surprised with how positively many have reacted. I really appreciate all of it. Thanks for watching!
@boataxe4605
@boataxe4605 5 лет назад
Maybe they are Diesel engine salesman who are trying to sell modern computerized engines.
@jjosephm7539
@jjosephm7539 5 лет назад
Moran Towing, New York, had these in a few boats. I was told that they came from submarines. They sounded like a sewing machine in the engine room.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
The USS Cavalla SS-244 is a museum submarine berthed next to the Stewart and it had 4 16-278A engines. It was common practice for scrapyards to remove the propulsion equipment from them and resell it to other uses. There are a few Fairbanks and Cleveland powered tugs up on the great lakes and Mississippi river. I knew RTC in New York had a few of them a few years back. Glad to hear there are a few left still working! Thanks for watching!
@nomon95
@nomon95 5 лет назад
for the high speed the valves move,this engine is an 2 stroke . the sound is same same as an EMD. (same as the locomotives). 4 valves + injector
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
The Cleveland engine line was the predecessor to EMD. Lessons learned went into the design of EMD and the result was an engine family almost identical to this one. That could be said all the way up to the basic principles of the EMD 710 series engine. Thanks for watching!
@louisedwards6681
@louisedwards6681 5 лет назад
The hair on my arms just stud up and gave me chills I can only imagine what it would be like be there and be the One that got it running 🎵
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching! It was pretty cool seeing and hearing about 2 years work all come together in a few short seconds. It came down to the wire since just a few hours after I got it running I had to go back to sea for 4 months!
@louisedwards6681
@louisedwards6681 5 лет назад
@@FixAndForget 2ys ? That's determination congratulations 🕰️🍾
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
@@louisedwards6681 Thanks!
@scopex2749
@scopex2749 3 года назад
wow thats a real beauty!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thanks so much!!
@pbellbell
@pbellbell 4 года назад
I've,worked on 268,,@278,s for 40+years ____heck ov experience __ww2.engines.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
Thanks for watching! It is a very worthwhile experience indeed.
@trainzguy2472
@trainzguy2472 3 года назад
I'm a railfan so I've heard all sorts of EMD locomotive prime movers before. Thank you for sharing this piece of pre-EMD history. Mind if I ask, why does it make a clanging/knocking sound on startup? Most EMD locomotives don't do that, while most 1960s-1990s GE locomotives do.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 3 года назад
Thanks for watching! The principal difference in how these engines start and modern EMDs is that high pressure air (500 PSI) Is injected directly into the cylinders to roll the engine. This is how engines much larger than EMDs start today. EMD engines use an air starter that is similar to a geared car starter except that it uses 120 PSI air instead of electricity. As I'm sure you know there are also various other electrical starting options on rail engines not found in marine applications. Since the air pressure was too low at the time, I had to use ether to start the engine. No, this doesn't hurt it. I believe the knocking sounds arises from the pre-ignition of the ether. Thanks again!
@michaelgaley9532
@michaelgaley9532 4 года назад
I cut my teeth in the Navy on these two stroke work horses. EMD 12-278A,Cleveland 8-567 and more. They required very little maintenance needed and always reliable.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
Thanks for watching!
@UQRXD
@UQRXD Год назад
Rebuilt 4, 12-567A's diesel electric ocean going tug. 1939 vintage.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 месяца назад
The A models were neat with the rectangular crankcase covers. Old-school
@bf9142ftw
@bf9142ftw 2 года назад
Any further updates from DE-238? 😀 Hopefully give the Engine Room a good scrub, degrease, and polish!
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
Thanks for watching! Unfortunately no work has happened since December 2018. I'll get back there one day.
@ianwille5780
@ianwille5780 2 года назад
It’s like a symphony and you are the conductor
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 2 года назад
That's a great way to say it. Thanks for watching!
@78StinkinLincoln
@78StinkinLincoln 5 лет назад
Freaking so awesome
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 4 года назад
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
@FrenchieFrench1555
@FrenchieFrench1555 5 лет назад
Bravo.I love Detroit Diesel two strokes engines.
@FixAndForget
@FixAndForget 5 лет назад
The Cleveland engines are closer to their larger EMD cousins but the resemblance to Detroit engines is also very strong. Thanks for watching!
@williamjones4483
@williamjones4483 5 лет назад
@@FixAndForget These are the precursor to the EMD engines. Detroit Diesel did have some small part in the making of these engines at one time.
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