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First video of MFB correction on a planar magnetic driver 

joppe peelen
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Well so much to try :) this is the first video of a planar magnetic and the use of the circuit.. there are some points that are crucial to get the best out of it, those are foil needs to move as one as best as possible... now this is not easy. the more coil over the entire foil the more even it moves, but its also in small tiny things like, at some places having more holes behind the foil (open area) witch can damp parts of the foil and the correction wont be working there. and the fact a foil does not move like a stiff plate but more like a drum. so it moves more in the middle and less on its sides.

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@michaeltress6808
@michaeltress6808 3 месяца назад
I experimented about 20 years ago with mfb on ESLs. The thing is, like in your case, only a small piece of foil would be sensored, less than 1%. And not all of the surface is doing the same, of course, the resonances varied with the position of the surface, especially if it is divided in different parts. So it is a total different task in comparison to the movement of a stiff Bass membran....at the end I come to the conclusion to work with a speaker management system, herewith is it easier to compensate the system frequency and resonances.
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 3 месяца назад
aah nice to hear , and i think the same. i need a measurement that represent the movement better. it is a bit to small of a surface area. in dynamic this is not a big deal :( in our case it is :( i am thinking of some options just for fun :)
@NackDSP
@NackDSP 3 месяца назад
You are much more interesting than watching the Eclipse today. The improvement at 50Hz is great. I think you improved the linearity of the sensor by moving farther from the panel. The motion of the panel is now a smaller fraction of the total distance to the sensor so you are operating on a smaller segment of the 1/x curve, so a bit more linear. A very good idea. Can you share the components used in the sensor? Maybe they are/ are not special photo transistor & LED? I expect the response with the microphone very close, 3 cm, from the panel would now be very flat with feedback. I assume the variation in your measured response is due to the open baffle / baffle step effects.
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 3 месяца назад
HAHAH well i would love to see the eclipse :( its not here to bad. im sorry i cant tell. i did not make the MFB circuit neither the sensor :( its something a friend was working on and since its optical we wondered if you could use it on a planar. and here we are. and i am still not sure. but its fun ! and we will see where it goes from here
@addisonhenikoff6003
@addisonhenikoff6003 3 месяца назад
If your goal is to improve distortion, you should really consider using either a first or second order highpass on the IR sensor to approximate the membrane acceleration instead of the position. Above resonance, the panel terminal voltage is proportional to driver acceleration, so you're trying to correct acceleration using a position reading. The only functional loudspeaker MFB systems I know of are either using accelerometers in the voice coil or Rythmik's design uses a secondary "sensing coil" to detect driver velocity. I think velocity sensing (first order highpass on your IR sensor) is a good compromise between distortion cancellation and loop stability. A positional sensor like you've got right now should really only lower distortion below resonance where the panel terminal voltage is proportional to position. Using an IR distance sensor can work to boost the bass, but if your goal is to correct for distortion, you're gonna need more loop gain in the midbass. Using MFB on a planar driver is an amazing idea though, I wish I had thought of it. Good luck!
@addisonhenikoff6003
@addisonhenikoff6003 3 месяца назад
Just took a closer look at your measurements to confirm. Take a look at the distortion levels with and without MFB at ~46hz (the frequency where the MFB made no difference to the output volume). The distortion with MFB is actually higher than without. That means your feedback at that frequency is close to 180 degrees out of phase, which is the same phase shift introduced by a 2nd order lowpass/highpass. If you EQ both with and without MFB to the same frequency response before taking the distortion measurement, it should be very clear what the MFB is doing.
@MrThacke
@MrThacke 3 месяца назад
Hexagonal shaped planar panels might be helpful when observing cymatic science. Bigger is better when using panels is right especially lower Hz. Bass clarity.
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 3 месяца назад
yes the simplest option would be ... just go bigger :) lower distortion lower res :) i agree 100%
@StefanoLindiri
@StefanoLindiri 3 месяца назад
Hi Joppe, I like very much your work! Have you ever tryed to use electrically conductive spray paint instead of aluminium tape?
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 3 месяца назад
Nope because that is to high in resistance :( I'm afraid
@user-ov2rh6qw4c
@user-ov2rh6qw4c 3 месяца назад
For a long time I have been wondering that a compensating signal should be sent to a separate, isolated emitter, there will be a radiator of a smaller area, which will be loaded only with this signal. Maybe I'm wrong. There was no way to verify it.
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 3 месяца назад
Then the main driver still does not do what you wanted.. this will not work acoustically either i am afraid
@user-ov2rh6qw4c
@user-ov2rh6qw4c 3 месяца назад
@@joppepeelen If the main emitter could work out the signal exactly, it would have done so initially, and I think it is unlikely that it will be possible to make it do the impossible. It's like trying to disperse an old nag by spurring harder.
@rhalfik
@rhalfik 3 месяца назад
IDK. In headphone world planars are considered electomechanically stiff. The diaphragm behaviour is pistonic. I think in your loudspeaker, as long as you're aiming at the trace, you should have a proper representation of the rest of the diaphragm.
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 3 месяца назад
its a bit harder then that, the thing does not move like a piston :( so there always be faults. my best bet would take a reading of as much panel i can get. instead of a small portion i think, and differences might not be as great but overall might give the best result
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