Fitting a new three phase panel - (and a bit of steel trunking) | Thomas Nagy 

STILL the original and best electrician channel on RU-vid. Good work Tom

You sir do a quality job! Love how no corners are cut despite under quoting and losing money. Anyone else would of slapped it all in and wouldn’t of cared. Great work mate!

Them fold up work bench is a god sent i picked one up a few months ago love it plus dont take much room up to

2:40 Some contractors at my school were cutting stuff up inside and they made 2.5k ish people evacuate. Love it

Paxton systems are really easy to install love working with them

Thank you for this upload, Tom. As always, I really enjoyed it. I do admire and appreciate your ability to do a very time consuming job AND find the time to produce and publish videos. It must be very difficult I imagine. Keep up the good work!

I’m a 3rd year apprentice who has just finished college and a lot of the stuff you talk about in this video is new to me, I have a lot to learn...

Glad to see your back Tom, cheers for the video. Helpful content as always :)

Fascinating to see how work is done in the UK!

Im a Red seal electrician in Canada. Love your videos to learn how you guys do it across the pond. One thing I have noticed is you guys have so much more safety regarding electricity. Id say if I asked 20 Canadian electricians if they have ever used a megger before 15 of them wouldn't have.

Hi Tom, great video. Thanks for sharing. When we do quotes we always include a 10% budget for contingency. That way the customer knows what they're paying but also what your asking them to put aside if there was anything that was brought to your attention during the work that couldnt had been seen at the time of quoting. Hope that helps

You're a rare breed. I'm sure there's many tradesmen out there who'd do an unsafe bodge job if they'd eyeballed it low, just to make sure they were quids in. In fairness, there's also many who would take the time to make sure it was safe & compliant if they'd eyeballed it low, but that'd be it. However, to take the time, hassle & cost of fitting a brand new board (even when you could have got away with filling the other one up) to make sure you're doing the best job possible, even when you lowballed the estimate?! Hats off to you sir.

been a while nagy! welcome back

Great video as always Tom! Keep up the good work and advice much appreciated!

One of your best, cheers Tom.

Tom You are a Honest & great guy helping a lot of people with your knowledge and your experience not a lot of Sparkys speak about technical issues and safety, And specially the pricing,Love the videos,thank you

As an apprentice in Ireland, the only complaint I have and it’s a compliment, would love more videos more frequently 🤣

Another great job. I hope whoever gives out this schools contracts sees this content. I see not many electricians are commentating about how much they would have priced this job. I love the idea that it helps to get some realism to pricing, also would be interesting on this job to see a breakdown of what it cost you and how much you end up making per day. Glad I'm not involved with pricing and dealing with customers anymore.

I’ve had a Tom Nagy haircut and I’m keeping it. Thank goodness for COVID allowing you an entire school to yourself while working and testing.

The quoting game. Live by the sword die by the sword makes life more fun. Great video. 👌🏻

Good morning Thomas, love the video as per usual. Keep up the good work. Cheers 👍👍

Thanks Tom

Thanks for the honesty on pricing. Appreciate it takes a lot to say you fcuked up on it, but it’s a valuable lesson for us all. Great to see you are still going with the right solution though, even though you know there’s a cheaper alternative that isn’t as good. 👍🏻

I re sharpen the spade bits on the grinder, works every time

I’m a 4th year apprentice and the amount I have learnt from watching your videos mate is priceless! Shines a real light on some of the dodgy stuff that goes on around me haha. Keep up the good work!

Great video. I'd be interested to see a follow up on the 4A earth leakage.

Great one. Love the smell of cut paxolin !

Ahhh! My favorite extras here is where you make back you under bid 😀

Paxolin is a trade name it is actually SRBP synthetic resin bonded paper it's what all old PCB,s were made from a lot are fibre glass but not all. I always use a hole saw on paxo never a spade bit.

You can buy a 20 mm ( + other sizes ) drill bit - , with a reduced size shank that it will fit into your Battery Drill - a Spade Bit will wear out quickly because of the amount of friction created by the hard material. I find that a nice sharp 20 mm bit will go through Paxolin easily 👍🏻

It’s always interesting to watch your videos. Your subscriber from USA

Love the channel.

Thanks for the video 👍

Good video and commentary as always. I think you are correct about the time, 5 or 6 days, I would charge $60 per hour ($45 for labor and $15 for cost of labor or burden) for labor. I have no idea about parts cost because I'm not familiar enough with that specific equipment, a rule of thumb would yield 0.66:1 ratio (or 60/40) of equipment to labor yields 40hrs x $60 = $2,400 at 60/40 that's $6,000 for the total cost. There's people that have wrote books about labor to parts ratio of various jobs. Like I said I that's the best I can do with my limited knowledge of specifics on the parts required. I only become an expert AFTER I watch your videos. lol!! Keep up the great work work Tom.

As an American sparky I love watching UK stuff everything is so different it's honestly like trying to learn a different language.

Good vid, really enjoy watching

excellent videos and like the details you put into your work & videos

5 days seems like a fair bid. Now to try and get it done in 3!

The combination of warning regarding profanity and the signs over the door at 03:30 is lovely :-)

That trunking looks like lighting trunk with a clip on lid facing down. If so you need busy assembly kits no drilling required

Hi Tom I'm sure that in this case the kitchen doesnt switch all their equipment on at once but it's always worth considering what load could be applied in one go. Right call to put in the DB. Will make future maintenance much easier (as you said). Also makes your job (or anybody else in the future) with fault finding. Stealing ways off a variety of boards can make future work much more time consuming. Also right thing to do as the school will trust you to do a good job and you will get repeat work which will pay for the DB many times over without ripping them off. In my experience people who give out this work want an easy life and if you can be part of their inner circle you will do well

Welcome back buddie 👍

Finally. Save this for later. Tom and david savery are like my new game of thrones. 😂

So they are going to learn to cook here ... leave the glove hanging, will save a lot of false alarms.😂

Nice video mate.

Use a hole saw it cuts straigh through and for that board you need a 40mm

Mint video tom

Paxton is by far the best door entry company on the market. Hardly ever have to return their gear and if you do their returns policy is amazing.

I charge $85(£66.76) an hour for service work here in the states. Labor rate for bid pricing varies between $100(£78.56) to $150(£117.87) an hour.

That “Paxton power supply” is a whole door controller kit, it just needs some sort of lock and 1 or 2 card readers attached to finish it off. The power supply is the white unit on the right inside, and can take a 12v sealed battery in the bottom of the unit in case of power failure, the yellow board which is rattling around the box is the actual controller itself, and it looks to be a Net2 Plus. The units can be daisy chained together with RS485 (4 wire serial bus) if you have several close together. Before the Plus was the “Net2 Classic” (presumably retrospectively renamed when the Plus came out) which didn’t have the Ethernet and just used the serial bus. You can still just build a system with just the serial bus and a USB to RS485 adapter (back in the day it would have been a RS232 to RS485 adapter. The units hold all the information about which cards are valid and when so it’s no problem if they are isolated for a while (you just don’t see which card went through the door), in fact when one of our doors was offline, we didn’t notice until some new staff complained they couldn’t get through the door... They also do a video door entry system (Net2 Entry) which uses the same door controllers, but has a video bits which operates independently apart from signalling the door controller about all the events (ring, video viewed, door opened while viewed, etc), and to open the door (you have to use a separate tool to configure which doors talk to which handsets, but you only need do that once).

You estimate 5 days to do all that? I could agree if you had help. As far as price I would be thinking$4-6k(US), unsure of materials needed/pricing. Does the panel with leakage have a ground connected to the water piping? Is it possible there is a ground loop in that panel that is picking up leakage?

Might be worth considering putting a suitably ip rated vent or fan in that contactor enclosure it will increase the lifespan tenfold 👍👍😀

Nice one

Refreshing to see a sparks who actually has pride in what he does. I'm out of the game a good few years, pricing just got ridiculous and the quality suffered. Your videos remind me of being back on the tools, I became a medical technician/physicist and don't really miss the sparking. Best of luck 👍

Starratt hole saws for the paxalin Tom

18:08 I would allow 1.5 weeks. Are you supplying fittings nd PSU? If so about 8k if not 4k.

Should have used the Eaton MEM cable trunking interface kit saves so much time and blades cutting Paxolin

I fucked up a price a few weeks ago. Gave an estimate, then thought about it further and actually changed my mind as i thought i over estimated the job. Ended up i was alot closer with my first one, had to give a discount in the end. Way it goes sometimes.

How is the Paxton system being integrated on with the contactors, I thought Paxton was a Access Control System, Swipe card brings in the contactors from a set of Aux contacts in the Paxton panel??? But then won’t it time out like when you swipe through a door, please explain Tom I love the integration between security control panels and electrical installations

Semi retired electrician I understand what you always say and I live in Meriden, Kansas. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Good video

OMG I’m so glad you started to say CONTACTOR correctly, it was properly doing my head in .

Oooow that sound of that rattle can

Ow Tom thank goodness it’s not just me having a nervous breakdown everyday at work because everything goes f king wrong. 😁👍

I was taught 'contact-er' but you're right it doesn't matter provided you know what the person's on about :P No idea of pricing for that as we do mostly domestic, but we do 400 a day for 2 of us (200 each) plus materials.

Hi Tom, my estimate would be 1k/day so 5K (Labor+materials incl)

Use a cutter on the paxolin. Mark your centre holes and then put a 38mm cutter through the paxolin and a 50mm through the trunking/fusebord. Grommet strip is crap, use a Bush, or use paxolin to fabricate a safe entry.

Good vids by the way 👍

One thing to watch Tom. When you get a situation like 4A flowing into the "Earth bar" be careful not to touch other metal. The reason I say that is that the chances are that "Earth bar" will have some resistance with respect to the real earth and if the other piece of metal that you touch has a lower resistance to the real earth you will get a belt!! Don't ask me how I know :-)

Another great video. Just wondering is there a need for RCBOS? there for ovens arnt they? Is all wiring surface in trunking? Would be a good way to recoup cost of the new DB 🤔

No dis Tom, but I believe that borad (while it can) is not really designed to hang individual circuits off. We use these boards when we put in sub distribution circuits. Seems like a bit of a faf you got there. Personally I would have made a control panel with everything built in. If you wanted to go while hog, use a Schneider acti9 board and you can remote monitor the system. None-the-less a very tidy job coming along there.

Been too long 👏👏

A fire marshal/ wardens head just exploded. 🤣

5:26 I use lawnmower blade sharpener drill attachment do hickey. 10 seconds like new again.

Hot water unit back feeding to earth do they need a new one ? Or bad install from the get go

They like their ventilation and A/c there anyway

Seeing electrician dealing with switchgear make me smile.

Not to mention everything on that earth bond will become live. That could get a bit interesting in a school.

Hi Tom, We use Eaton a lot and use the trunking adaptors all you have to do is cut the trunking. What supply are you feeding to that D.B 100A? as it looks like a high current board?

The extra work, £1200. As you said, you have got to mess around with the light fittings and make them work. See you Friday Thomas.

Any particular reason why you didnt just put the sub main supply to the db via a contactor ?

Good going Thomas 😊 Get ya superman t shirt on 🙋🏼‍♂️

10:12 If you are routing the conductors through a hole in the lid, isn't that preventing the lid from ever coming off again? Wouldn't it be better to have a cutout at the edge of the lid so it can be slid on and off?

That cage around the electrical room looks right as hell, how close to code minimums is it? You're braver than me painting in a finished room, I'd make a mess.

about three fiddy!

whats with the 90's looking board spec

Yeah, we sometimes screw up on pricing. Like you say, live and learn. Colleague has a habit of not realizing that data/aerial stuff costs money... Splitters and an amplifier can eat into the profits. He seems to think you can just tee into aerial cables. LOL And cat 6 isn't cheap

I don’t do much commercial how come the new 3 phase board was so long for 4 ways? Is it just to accommodate larger tails?

You could have used a hand electric saw with steal blades in it, that one does a good job and no sparks as well. Angle grinder is for something much more hard I guess. I have seen people cutting trays with such heavey tools , the trays can be cut with jig saw as well as a small electric saw but honestly I have seen people using angle grinder on it too.

Great video Tom... Have you seen the stuff Jordan from Artisan uses? So edging strip, alot cheaper and more flexible

Any chance you could do a video on the Paxton stuff once youve been on the training course in a few months time? Really interested to learn about it. Cheers.

Nagy good to watch your videos, you’re a fuckin legend

I find a metal hole-saw perfect for cutting paxolin

Do you ever do 11kv wiring for factories?

Try a 20mm hole saw last much longer. Keep Up the good work😀

I wanted peoples opinions on terminating armoured cable. It’s an outside light mounted on a 200mm diameter round post. At the moment a 2.5mm 3 core runs in trunking then up the back and through a hole in the post and into the back of the light. Would you terminate the armoured cable in a box before the light and run 3 core into the light or run the armoured directly into the light? Also I would like the capability to expand the circuit or add another at a later date for a single leaf gate motor, only 2A. Any help appreciated. Tom

Are they modular buildings?

When quoting do you automatically add say 100 dollars per day for your wage?

Use holecutter when cutting paxoline.

I don't get the idea of the insulator between the panel and the trunking isn't it all going to be bonded anyway or am I missing something?

Great video £8250 all in for the Job they supply the paxton equipment