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Fixing Avocet | Building a Sailboat Dodger 

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The canvas dodger we had inherited aboard Avocet had seen better days; the frame was not stout, the dark blue canvas had been sun bleached and abused over the years, and perhaps the worst trait of all was that the strataglass was as transparent as milk making any sort of attempt to see through it impossible. Although it served us well as a windbreak and had gotten us this far in our journey we knew it was time to upgrade. Originally we had the idea to create a completely rigid hard dodger and forgo the hassle of sewing canvas, but then at the advice of notable sailors we decided to create a hardtop that could support solar panels with canvas sides that can be removed for easy cleaning and air flow on the particularly stuffy days at anchor. This video shows how we built our dodger, but if you would like to know more please visit our website www.svavocet.com
Chapters:
0:00 - 1:33 Why Build a New One?
1:33 - 9:20 Building the Hard Top
9:20 - 10:41 Building the Metal Frame
10:41 - 12:50 Disaster and Painting
12:50 - 14:28 Fitting
14:28 - 17:00 Sewing the Canvas Sides
17:00 - 18:00 Finishing Touches
18:00 - 19:42 Thank You!
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@dbarilow
@dbarilow 2 года назад
I think Chris is cheating on you with that sanding block. And maybe the fiberglass supplier 😂
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
You know now that you mention it…. 🫣
@mattyt_286
@mattyt_286 2 года назад
This is the best DIY hard dodger I have seen. Congrats to the both of you.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Hey thank you!
@pardus8panthera5
@pardus8panthera5 Год назад
This is about the best example of a DIY Dodger or hard top. Brilliant!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Thank you for watching! The dodger has served us very well.
@CallSignWhiplash
@CallSignWhiplash Месяц назад
Good work Chris 👍🏼 I really liked your idea of using tubing and pins for the solar panels. I added strips of penetrating epoxied Luan in my divinicell stringers for the light and speaker mounts as well as the handholds to give the screws something to bite into other than glass which strips easier. I also used poly pipe as the conduit runs for the cabling. I have a background in Army Communications and work experience as an offshore Marine Electrician/ET so while I’m great with the power & stuff that beeps I had never worked with glass. The technological advancement in panel manufacturing has really aided DIYers pull off projects with little to no experience, combined with youtube videos it’s a win-win.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 5 дней назад
Thank you so much for sharing!
@rusty1850
@rusty1850 Год назад
look forward to the next video. thanks for your video
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
More to come!
@brucesinclair2981
@brucesinclair2981 2 года назад
Very good video. I learnt how to fix my Doger cover.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Awesome! Glad it helped
@garrykennedy5653
@garrykennedy5653 3 месяца назад
Your dodger looks fabulous
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 месяца назад
Thanks so much :)
@motorcityboatwerks
@motorcityboatwerks 9 месяцев назад
Proper ! Nice job 👍
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 9 месяцев назад
thanks buddy!
@yvonnemcgearty8362
@yvonnemcgearty8362 2 года назад
Excellent job
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
cheers!
@thepigwillfly5869
@thepigwillfly5869 2 года назад
"Glorious, Glorious Sanding"....nice nod to Mads at Sail Life.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
We love Mads!
@damianfaucet4395
@damianfaucet4395 2 года назад
One of the best boat project videos on the net. Most stretch this into 6 weeks of content. I mistakenly skipped 15 seconds and missed like 3 different things
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Hey Damien! Thanks for watching. We aren’t really fans of the whole “stretch a project out into separate videos” type thing so try to keep all our project videos concise with all the necessary info. If you are interested in more, check out our website :) fair winds!
@hanssolo4ever
@hanssolo4ever 2 года назад
This was a really well done video.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank you! We hope you enjoy some of the others as well
@reverands571
@reverands571 8 месяцев назад
I bought epoxy from an outfit in Tonawanda, NY (that specialized in kayaks and canoes)---and it contained an additive that allowed a chemical bond, up to a week later. Saved me tons of sanding. I tested the bonding, and it worked, but I recommend not waiting the full week. Next day, very fine.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 7 месяцев назад
Cool!
@chrisbailey6986
@chrisbailey6986 4 месяца назад
Great video.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 4 месяца назад
Thanks Chris!
@svZia-Switch51
@svZia-Switch51 2 года назад
Beautiful job!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank you! Cheers!
@Sail2Learn
@Sail2Learn Год назад
WOW! W O W!!! What a fantastic video! Awesome job! Subscribed!!!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Thanks Steve! This dodger has served us well in our journey so far.
@maverickmyrtlebeach
@maverickmyrtlebeach 2 года назад
Heys guys, Fantastic job.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Cheers!
@marclonte3059
@marclonte3059 2 года назад
Love you guys
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thanks Marc!
@Eddie-jr6bs
@Eddie-jr6bs 2 года назад
Nice. Dodger is one of my requirements for stepping aboard. If I’m ever president I’ll make a law that sailboats come with hard dodgers. Yours is pretty nice; so I will probably allow a sturdy removable hardtop too!
@randywelsh4163
@randywelsh4163 2 года назад
Awesome job, nothing makes you feel better then the end result knowing that you did that, great job you guys!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
definitely. thank you for watching!
@shaneriehl223
@shaneriehl223 2 года назад
Killer job! Looks Beautiful!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
thank you Shane!
@w1cdo
@w1cdo 2 года назад
Chris and Marissa, after accidentally discovering you lovely folks I just binged. Please give us more of what you are doing. You are the best!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Welcome aboard! Glad to have you. We don't post to RU-vid more than once a month due to work, projects and sailing but we do write and publish a bit! You can find our blogs on www.svavocet.com OR check out our recent publications on our media page (on our website) :) Thanks for watching!
@Bruin4Life
@Bruin4Life 2 года назад
Great job folks! The boat looks fantastic with those modifications and restructuring of your dodger.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Cheers!
@howardduboe7005
@howardduboe7005 2 года назад
I’ve been watching your videos and I’m really enjoying the way everyone offers their professionalism. Fair Winds And Following Seas ⚓️🇺🇸
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
thank you Howard!
@mandygibson272
@mandygibson272 2 года назад
So good, I watched it twice! Great job! And you guys make it look so easy!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thanks Mermandy! Miss you, stoked on your photos lately
@hezi973
@hezi973 2 года назад
Impressive workmanship!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thanks Hezi!
@randomtraveler3363
@randomtraveler3363 2 года назад
Great project encompassing a lot of different skills. Good to have a few friends with the specialized skills and tools too.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
it sure is!
@mp6756
@mp6756 2 года назад
Wow from the hip engineering on the fly like a rockstar. Nice work and the shape turned out great. Very nice
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thanks Mike! Years of trial and error got us this far. We appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment
@camreed7073
@camreed7073 2 года назад
had to come back forgot to hit the like button
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thanks!
@nanoceramics2747
@nanoceramics2747 Год назад
Excellent looking, congratulations, you have given me great ideas for my winter project.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Cheers! Be sure to check out the full blog post for details
@SailProMarina
@SailProMarina Год назад
Great Video guys, I'd say this is the BEST Tutorial on making a Hard/Soft dodger combo on all of RU-vid Now i'm waiting on spring weather to Mimmic what you've done. Thank You.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Thanks Chris! If you are looking for more details this was published in the latest Good Old Boat magazine, as well as on our website www.svavocet.com
@DIYNauticalDream
@DIYNauticalDream 2 года назад
Just found your channel, but this is exactly what we are looking to learn more about. Thanks for sharing 👍 😊
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Welcome aboard! Glad you found us. If you are keen on learning more, I recommend checking out our website that has all of the projects and nitty gritty details www.svavocet.com :) Let us know if you have any questions!
@svlolalouise9763
@svlolalouise9763 2 года назад
Ah yes glorious glorious sanding
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
haha you know what's up!
@MadMarv.
@MadMarv. 2 года назад
I've been waiting for this ever since you guys teased it last episode. It did not disappoint, it looks fantastic. Chris has to mess up sometimes otherwise his mad skills would just be too intimidating.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank you for your patience! We know it's been a while... did you get the chance to read the full blog recap? That has a lot of photos and details that didn't make the cut here!
@NoBullshitJustGaming
@NoBullshitJustGaming 2 года назад
Glorious sanding
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
you know what's up!
@SailingQuickCreations
@SailingQuickCreations 2 года назад
Hi guys!! We really loved this episode 😀 great story telling and video work as well as a bloody awesome dodger!! The canvas sides look really cool...nice job with the sewing machine! It was really cool to see the fiber glassing process so different to our steel sailboat build ⚓⛵ Luke & Mel xx
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank you so much Luke and Mel! We appreciate it
@donnaber4918
@donnaber4918 2 года назад
Nicely done!!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank you!!
@SailingFoxyLady
@SailingFoxyLady 2 года назад
Looks fantastic guys, big fan of the canvas sides opposed to my hard sides, I'll be regretting not doing what you have done when i reach warmer climates!🌞🥵
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank yoU!!!
@ayachtoflove
@ayachtoflove 2 года назад
That looks amazing! Great job. :)
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank you so much!
@SailingDauntless
@SailingDauntless Год назад
Very. Well. Done. Excellent job.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Thank you!
@Christian0804
@Christian0804 2 года назад
Great video guys!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
thanks brotha
@briannuzzo8369
@briannuzzo8369 2 года назад
You don't do as many videos as other channels, but the ones you do you do well. Nice job on the dodger and the video.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thanks Brian! We may be too busy to do videos all the time, but we share what matters ;) you can always follow along on our website www.svavocet.com
@bigsierra9653
@bigsierra9653 2 года назад
You sure dodged a bullet with that dodgy dodger, thanks to Chris’ mad skills
@adrianlundgren1074
@adrianlundgren1074 2 года назад
Nice work👍
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
cheers
@sailingcitrinesunset4065
@sailingcitrinesunset4065 2 года назад
Nice work it looks great 👍 👌
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
thank you so much!
@C_C_SEA
@C_C_SEA 2 года назад
✨🏆✨ Absolutely Top Shelf ... all aspects! 💯🖖
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank you so much!
@sloop24
@sloop24 2 года назад
that looks great, much better than I was expecting. ps I initnally started watching yall on tiktok.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Welcome to where the REAL content lives! Thanks for coming by!
@colinboniface194
@colinboniface194 8 месяцев назад
Nice job...
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 8 месяцев назад
Cheers
@WilliamDenneyJr
@WilliamDenneyJr 2 года назад
Aloha from sailing vessel Moonrunner at Port Allen Harbor on Kauai. The Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36 that you messaged from Capt. Q. I have been thinking of building a dodger also. Your dodger project looks great!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Aloha!
@twohalf-hitches
@twohalf-hitches 2 года назад
My hardtop fell at a bad time in the process too, glad yours was easy to recover ;)
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Easy may not be the best word, but we sure did get creative! Luckily our boat neighbors were kind enough to lend whatever extra paddles and poles they had haha!
@twohalf-hitches
@twohalf-hitches 2 года назад
@@sailingavocet It definitely shows! Excellent end result!
@andrewthompson2380
@andrewthompson2380 2 года назад
I made a dodger for our westerly oceanlord it was fantastic for sailing in cold wet weather
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Awesome!
@annafraley5388
@annafraley5388 2 года назад
W O W . . . Another major in depth complicated task you two took on here 🫣😱 Pretty brave of you I would say, but as Always… It came out FANTASTIC..!!! 😎👍👌👏🥳
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thanks Anna! We have missed hearing from you. Hopefully we will have new content out sooner this time!
@annafraley5388
@annafraley5388 2 года назад
@@sailingavocet … Yes, and we really miss seeing Your videos when you’re off. But hey, when you have a Good job that you Really like, you kinda like to stay with it and see where “IT” takes you, so we certainly understand you all being missing…!! 😎👍
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
@@annafraley5388 thanks Anna!
@AthelstanEngland
@AthelstanEngland 2 года назад
Was just searching something on the web re second hand boats and ended up on a Reddit page... read to the end and there at the bottom under the heading "More posts from the sailing community" was a picture of a certain lady holding up a "Merchant Mariner Credential"!! Congrats!!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank you!!! I appreciate it.
@DowneastThunderCreations
@DowneastThunderCreations 2 года назад
👍👍👍
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
cheers!
@camreed7073
@camreed7073 2 года назад
grate video i work on sail boats i like it good job .Oh no painting sanding or scrapping in the Mariana LOL
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thanks for watching Cam
@industrialdigital
@industrialdigital 2 года назад
Sick drone shots! ;) The dodger came out amazing. You’re going to get way too many people asking you to build more (myself included).
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Hell yah buddy! We are so stoked on them. Thank you!
@IF_fonackerman
@IF_fonackerman Год назад
👍👍👍!!!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@michaelcummings2192
@michaelcummings2192 2 года назад
Great video you two. As always your film making and story telling is top notch. I give you so much credit for having the courage to make these tech videos as they open you up to so much criticism. I like the dodger and it has inspired me to create something similar for Make My Day. Keep up the good work. Love the Zeppelin t-shirt Chris. Be well. Greetings from SY Make My Day currently on anchor in Fornells, Menorca.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thank you for all the support Michael! Safe sailing!
@kevinomalley8975
@kevinomalley8975 Год назад
I love this dodger design; you hit it out of the park! I'd like to incorporate some of the design elements when I get to building one for my boat. What hardware did you use to mount to the aluminum backing plates? Looks like stainless oval-head Phillips machine screws and finish washers, maybe nylock nuts on the back...plus some butyl to seal? Did you sleeve those holes with epoxy first?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Hey Kevin! Thanks for taking interest in the project. Almost a year later and we love it! Have you read the project post on our website? It has more details. www.svavocet.com
@805maker
@805maker 2 года назад
This is on my list... Hopefully sooner than later. I need new glass and a taller dodger. Apparently the previous owners were much shorter than me.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
:) I know a guy who can help
@805maker
@805maker 2 года назад
@@sailingavocet yeah, but I hear he's sailing away in a few months.
@camsail
@camsail 2 года назад
Is the logic for the sides purely a ventilation one? I'm always curious of this design vs a hard dodger in bluewater, but I do love the fact you can pull the canvas to reduce your windage should you have a concern for that at anytime.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Hey Cameron! Great question. It is a lot less work to do canvas sides, plus at the advice of many blue water cruisers we decided to go this route for (exactly what you said) ventilation and less windage.
@theyard6958
@theyard6958 11 месяцев назад
Im a Sailing Avocet virgin, and I enjoyed our first time together! lol I worked as a shipwright in several yards Hence my name (the Yard), and I have never seen compound being applied over wet glass. Sounds like a great idea! So you dont have to worry about gassing off because they are both gassing off together, Right? is this how it works? Im going to have to try this technique. Im considering making my own hard dodger too. Thanks for all the ideas! Cheers, and happy sailing!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 11 месяцев назад
Well shoot! We enjoyed our time together too 😉 as long as you get the fairing compound on before the fiberglass and resin cure, the amine blush will form only on the surface layer. BUT it depends on the temperature and the epoxy brands. we have some more details on www.svavocet.com if you care to browse :)
@kenyonstewart7120
@kenyonstewart7120 Год назад
I'm curious what your solution to the MDF sagging while laying up the first layer would be if you did it again. Thicker MDF or a layer of glass on top of it first to add strength? Maybe some plywood supports underneath cut to the shape?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
I would do something similar to what I did even though it was quick thinking. Perhaps plywood supports would be helpful, but I don't like to waste material glassing if I can help it.
@thomash7065
@thomash7065 5 месяцев назад
Great video, what is the channel or track used which is mounted to the boat and has canvas slid along its length?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 5 месяцев назад
Hey there! I believe we have it linked here: www.svavocet.com/2022/07/02/building-a-dodger-for-our-sailboat/ hope this helps :)
@webheadusa9377
@webheadusa9377 2 года назад
Great craftsmanship, obviously a fun job knowing the payoff is when you are sailing below it! What's next? :¬) Webhead USA
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
aww, thank you! As far as projects go we are just crossing off some small items and miiiiiight install a new water maker. we shall see!
@edchamberlain3871
@edchamberlain3871 3 месяца назад
I know this is an older video but I'm curious how you treated the edges. Did you do any kind of round over and did you use fiberglass over the edges? If so what type of glass worked well on the edges. I have a Valiant 42 that has almost the exact same hardtop. It is fiberglass over plywood and is delaminating so I would like to do a foam core. Trying to decide on the type of core. Nydacore seems good but the edges are where I'm not sure. Thanks
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 3 месяца назад
Hey Ed, you can read the details over on our website: www.svavocet.com/2022/07/02/building-a-dodger-for-our-sailboat/ if it doesn’t load just refresh the page We used epoxy, glass and fairing compound to round over the edges.
@braxtonyoung
@braxtonyoung 2 года назад
The new dodger looks downright professional! Any concern that the boom shadow will cause performance issues for your solar?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
When at anchor it is usually set off the beam
@braxtonyoung
@braxtonyoung 2 года назад
@@sailingavocet is that for the flopper stopper?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
@@braxtonyoung Yep! We removed our rigid boom vang and replaced it with a traditional for that reason. We used to rig our flop stopper off the spinnaker pole, but it was a safety issue just adding one more thing to de-rig if we needed to get out of an anchorage quickly.
@mboyer68
@mboyer68 Год назад
You did a killer job on that top. It looks like something West Marine would sell for $5500. You could start a business __making hard tops, as you know
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Thanks Mike! Funny you mention it, we were toying with the idea of building hard tops this summer
@boatMatthias
@boatMatthias 2 месяца назад
I think if you add all the work hours and material you'll be close to 4000$ as well...
@captainmike808
@captainmike808 Год назад
How did you maintain the shape? Glass over the zip ties?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
The tiptoes were just part of the MDF mold
@sailingcontigo7953
@sailingcontigo7953 2 года назад
Nice Job! Curious if it's strong enough to stand on?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Sure is! Check out our blog post that has a photo of Chris strength testing it
@sailingcontigo7953
@sailingcontigo7953 2 года назад
@@sailingavocet I missed how you treated the edges. Can they just be filled with fairing compound and shaped? I've been thinking about this very project to replace the hardtop on my 1994 Valiant 42. Our existing top is fiberglass over a plywood core and it is starting to delaminate. Thanks for the great DIY videos.
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
@@sailingcontigo7953 yes, our blog has more step by step details! :) best of luck!
@curtislong4305
@curtislong4305 Год назад
Hey @sailingavocet, can I ask where you guys got this foam? I'm also in SoCal and cannot find it anywhere. Any tips?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Hey Curtis! you can find the details here: www.svavocet.com/2022/07/02/building-a-dodger-for-our-sailboat/
@curtislong4305
@curtislong4305 Год назад
@@sailingavocet wow, I can't thank you enough, I had gone pages deep on Google and not run across this supplier!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
@@curtislong4305 happy to help! :)
@789train
@789train 9 месяцев назад
how did you do the edges ?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 9 месяцев назад
Hey there! All the details are on our website www.svavcoet.com
@Stephan_01
@Stephan_01 2 года назад
♥️♥️🥰🥰
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Thanks for watching
@TheCorsair
@TheCorsair 2 года назад
Is that the Neely family Mason 43 right next door?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
It sure is!
@murphmurph2124
@murphmurph2124 Год назад
You should start with PVC foam board and then skip the foam core, less steps and material more strength and no rot down the line
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Nydaplast can't rot... it's plastic not foam. It has a honeycomb material that's sectioned out so if there is ever water intrusion it is encapsulated, isolating the problem for a quick fix. PVC foam board is like what you would use for a school science fair project. Considering that Nydaplast is quite literally made for marine applications it's strength/weight is almost unmatched in comparison to other options on the market (davinicell, cusaboard, etc - all materials we have experience with). At the end of the day, do your research and find what works best for you.
@chhindz
@chhindz 2 года назад
Most of the finished shots were blocked by the links at end, maybe see how it becomes integral to the overall design later
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Please check out all the photos on our website www.svavocet.com
@philgray1023
@philgray1023 2 года назад
Could you drop by and help us do the same on our boat? We're in Manly Harbour Queensland. Excellent job!
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 2 года назад
Be right over! :)
@mdyusuf2027
@mdyusuf2027 8 месяцев назад
Do you need an assistant..?
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet 8 месяцев назад
Nope! Thanks for asking though :)
@marklchapman2785
@marklchapman2785 Год назад
Really good build wish I had those skills 👍🇬🇧
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
Thanks Mark! It’s not as difficult as you might think :) we have a detailed write up on our website if you care to learn a bit more www.svavocet.com
@marklchapman2785
@marklchapman2785 Год назад
@@sailingavocet thank you, that is really kind. I’m working on my Westerley 33’ that’s very cool!👍
@sailingavocet
@sailingavocet Год назад
@@marklchapman2785 Great boat, let us know if you have any questions we would be happy to help trouble shoot!
@marklchapman2785
@marklchapman2785 Год назад
@@sailingavocet Wow, that would be awesome. I do have a lot of questions but maybe I should use your email
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