Fixing Kanto's Elite 4 

The snowball works fine with proper mixing though imo it'd be worth saving up for a proper XLR setup if you want to upgrade. If you want some options hmu some time and give me a budget to work with :P

@@ArchinaGM sounds good big dog

You're totally right, glad he fits in on multiple levels then!

How'd the Kantonian-Cubone line have been like as Ground/Ghost Types? And if Ghosts had more better moves?

​@@tlst94honestly it'd be great

Good shout, something I hadn't considered but yeah I can see Agatha using a Hypno

@@RoryTheFiend Plus Hypno does learn Poison Gas for a psychic type and joking about how Agatha is the Poison expert

@@AznYunHou I don't even want to think about how Hypno uses Poison Gas o_o

Haaa I destroyed Agatha with my strategy based hypno slept on pokemon in that generation playing your cards right the the perfect moves

​@@RoryTheFiendVery stinky farts

If you think about it, this also makes Blue just as much of a cheater as Lance, because there's no move deleter in Gen 1, meaning it's impossible to go from having a full moveset to having only three moves. Though it also means he's far less competent at it since he's effectively cheating against himself. At least Lance can actually do something useful with that barrier, and the fact it can be exploited to make him look like a clown (see: Venomoth) is just a catch

Even if Marowak isn't amazing in gen 1 (gen 2 marowak with a thick club though? oof that's strong), I always felt she should get one, good as well adding type diversity and a decent physical attacker to her team

​@@RoryTheFiendI'm shocked GF didn't think to do that themselves

@@shiruotakuno28 Well, she had one in her rematch team in Let's go. (But it's Alolan Marrowak)

I agree. Marowak fits perfectly with Agatha's theme.

Especially appropriate, since they gave her Alolan Marowak in Let's Go.

Yeah that's reasonable I definitely could've given the Pokémon some more moves to fit with their theming

I would argue poliwarth should also have hypnosis instead of being a amenesia sweaper. Something like hypnosis submission surf and body slam, yeah it would be easier but it is a move more associated with the mon

​​@@RoryTheFiendthat move is also special in gen 1

Electric/ICE/fire Punch should do 120 damage with 5 App, it would be strong Signatur moves.

@@stevensamuels4041 why?

Gen 1 ice moves are op, imagine playing the Japanese version and dealing with 30% freeze blizzards

Oof liepard slander, I get you though poor liepard could use a buff

Marshall without sawk is so easy cause monsters like archs can just shred the team with acrobatics. Archeops is quite good in the league. Its insane attack and move pool makes it a glass cannon with nuclear ammunition. Chandle as well. It mostly depends on the team though my meinshao did mince both Grimsly and sawk

The issue is that his liepard doesn't use a competetive moveset.

Yeah Golem just fits in more since he's looks sturdy and strong which I feel are two descriptive words you can associate with Bruno and what his team should be I've "fixed" the johto elite 4 as well and I give Bruno some similar Pokémon that I feel fit his theme but aren't fighting type specifically And yeah I feel like blue since he is implied to catch so many Pokémon would switch up his team a bit more frequently to keep you on your toes and blue experimenting for what is truly the strongest team comp

@@RoryTheFiend Also Blue replacing pokemon left and right would make Oak's words at the end make some sense, about treating his pokemon with love and not like tools or something like that (even though we all do that). And the Golem thing is simply logical, a Pokémon that evolves by trade that no one in Kanto uses, plus it has limbs! LIMBS!!! perfect for an Elite 4.

nerd alert: Bruno has an Onix in the anime, so has to be there.

@@scandinaviannegro Bruno only has an onix in the anime because he has one in the games, or so I'd assume

10 hour video minimum for that one

Fixing the whole game?

I'd say the vid length is 24 hours.

Bug aren't that bad in SV , like Lolix is pretty decent

@@patonosequecosanot sure if you’re joking or not and in case you’re not, they meant “bug” as in the glitch fest in SV. not bug type pokemon.

Yeah Agatha's final Gengar is absolutely confusing, not sure why they didn't give it Hypnosis, or just replace Dream Eater with something else

Same

Yeah to me anyway it felt like an easy inclusion to make, I love pokemon that go with a gym leader or elite 4's theme but doesnt match their type, like Aaron's Drapion

Yeah that could be a plausible explanation for sure, honestly an interesting concept with pokemon being forced to evolve at lower levels

How'd Dragonite have looked like if it was more serpent-like? While cute-looking with blue and white color scheme? And shiny black eyes.

@@RoryTheFiendpretty sure that was a think I recall finding gyarados level 15… an other stage 1 Pokémon at really odd lower levels in johto

OOOF, you might be on to something

Gen 1 Onix should only be a toxic wrapper.

Thanks Aiden! you're right, I played through X and Y once, as a Nuzlocke with the exp share off, and the Gym Leaders still weren't that scary, definitely something I'm considering!

It was my first game, and yeah they are easy. The largest team a gym leader has is 3 Pokémon (all except the first 2) and the elite four all have 4 Pokémon.

Agreed 🤌

You know what’s interesting, with the exception of trace, every canonical champion of the indigo league has had a charizard, an aerodactyl, and a Gyarados at one point.

I remember one RU-vidr joking about Gen 2 Lance that he's just a souped up Falkner. In those games he doesn't have a single pokemon without the flying type

Kanto and Johto lacked Dragon Types. So how'd they've been like if existing mons were retyped before release? Being the; Charizard, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Slowpoke, Ampharos, Yanma, and Horsea(pre-Kingdra) lines? Also, if Gen 2 had Regional Variants and made Lapras and Arbok part Dragons? While Kanto-Gyarados was Water/Dragon and its Johto Variant was Dark/Dragon? And if the scrapped "Omega" mon was released in Gen 2 as Steel/Dragon(with two pre-evolutions)?

@@firewarrior8298When has Blue had an Aerodactyl?

Glaceon seems like a menace in game

You must be a _really_ big Glaceon fan then.

@@robertlupa8273 very much so

That's an interesting idea to lean more into her Poison type specialty, minimize would be a very trolly set to deal with, but that fits agatha's theme

But we've already got Koga as a Type specialist. And Elite Fours are just extra Gym Leaders imo.

based for using a Sigilyph, I'm using one playing through Black 2 right now! I think Flint might need to study up on Pokemon abilities, that's so funny the ai doesn't recognize Flash Fire (I'll keep that in mind if I ever nuzlocke gen 4)

Thank you! Yeah it'd be great fun playing in a hard mode, nothing kaizo levels just a difficult challenge for a seasoned player. I'm glad you approve of Bruno, had a bit of fun giving fire blast to machamp but why not, and I'm actually trying to make it look like fighting types can do something in gen 1 lol

Hey thanks for your comment! Yeah Gen 1 is crazy with its limitations and bugs, every other minute I felt like I was explaining some flaw with a move or the ai. it felt like I had to lean the pokemon more offensively just so the ai has less of a chance to click a move that wastes their turn! I love your idea for the champion, a different Eeveelution to compliment their starter is a good shout!

Gotta thank the commenters from my Fixing Johto series for that idea, Snakes definitely pass as a dragon in a game where there's only 1 official dragon type line

Not played s/v so I can't comment but from what I've seen Geeta has the wrong order of Pokémon? Like glimora isn't her lead Pokémon, and kingambit isn't her last pokemon

@@RoryTheFiend Yeah... she can send out her Kingambit second to last in a good situation. But her Glimmora is her Ace, meaning she's coded to send them out LAST. A setup pokemon.

That's a good shout, I'd actually considered Victreebel for Agatha but didn't even think about Vileplume!

Yeah I actually think Siebold is the best elite 4 member in X and Y (which I'll talk about in my next video coming out hopefully a week on saturday!) I relate tho as a kid I struggled so much with the elite 4s and champions since I'd just have awful movesets like gyarados with surf and rock smash, or my OG haunter had return lol

Yeah I've seen some of those strong sets, I gotta say BDSP doesn't look that good to me but they look like they have some of the toughest battles ever

Same cuz I found Steven randomly while exploring in meteor falls in emerald an was only expecting to talk to him maybe get a item u kno?… maybe some useful info an go on my merry way ..bruh…. He, I was ambushed he battled me with his whole team of pkmn at High 70’s.. his highest being metagross at 78, to say I was NOT prepared was an understatement he completely WASHED me.. but i won handily after a trip to the pc. Cynthia for that matter only because I was severely underleveled also same think happen in black/white in undella town where I was surprised to see her 1 minute were talking about sinnoh next thing you know lv77 garchomp lol it was crazy I didn’t lose cuz it was late game but it was closed. Very close. was Wallace I distinctly remember having a problem with his milotic that thing set up And spammed toxic before I knew it

@@JayClearman411 first time I battled Steven in Emerald I had Rayquaza, Groudon and Kygore on my team in the 70s and 3 other mons in the 50s to say I narrowly defeated him would be an understatement

LOL Fire blast is such a good gen 1 move I went a bit crazy with it, afterall 30% burn chance? it was too tempting!

Thank you! youtube algorithm has really thrown me a bone lately, more content in the works!

not played or seen much of PLA but I've heard people are a fan of Volo, I'm glad to hear people mention trainers from the recent pokemno games being tough and fun!

@@RoryTheFiend another hard trainer in recent games is the final boss of Pokémon Scarlet. Violet also has decent difficulty, but their teams are completely different so obviously one would be stronger than the other, and it’s Scarlet by a long shot.

(I didn’t say their names to avoid spoilers for those who haven’t played)

@@Mobtrapper-hq8is respect, we keep it spoiler safe here

She's got some threats like Rock Wrecker Rhyperior, that's gonna do some decent damage no matter what level you are o_o

Yeah, they do work compared to the majority of the rest of the pokemon in the game, just interesting the devs didnt decide to put in a 2nd ghost type in the game to help agatha's team out a bit

Agatha in shambles when you start playing the flute like you're the pied piper

She must've made you think the elite 4 were insanely tough compared to the gym leaders

@@RoryTheFiend not necessarily, it did definitively teach me a lesson on why they give us 6 Pokémon😅 Took me a bit longer to figure out your Pokémon don’t need to only have stab moves

Acrobatics Archeops is no joke, Iris is such a fun battle and I love her theme

No joke at all beating her in challenge mode was a serious trial especially because her entire team had held items An she spammed full restores she is tough.

Thank you so much! sorry for the late response some comments slip through the cracks but I randomly decided to deep dive and see if there's any cool comments I missed! Yeah I try and pull inspiration from several different sources, but at the same time not lean too heavily into that and use my own justifications and pokemon that make sense thematically but haven't been used by the trainers before, it's an interesting balance to go for anyway lol Yeah for Lance I did consider seadra but ultimately I decided to not go for it since Gyarados exists and kinda 1 ups seadra (sorry seadra), and yeah Arbok because it is a snake like and well that's along the lines of a dragon, well as close as you can reach for gen 1 standards. Also interesting comment, yeah fire water grass core sounds right to say doesn't it but you're right grass comes first so you'd think it'd be said first then, interesting point I have never even thought of before. Also just for that I wanna say a random thing: Fighting, Rock, Flying form a type match up like Grass, Water, Fire, it'd be cool to see those 3 types as secondary types for starters to double up on the rock paper scissors vibe they have going on, or balance it out so each starter ends up being sort of more neutral to each other in the end o_0

@@RoryTheFiend Yes, that's kind of what I didn't like about Gen 6 doing secondary typings of Fighting, Psychic and Dark; they arranged it to double down on the existing matchups, when it would have been more interesting to invert it so that every starter is vulnerable to both of the others. No worries about the late reply. I actually feel very pleasantly surprised when something I said several weeks back suddenly gets addressed. It gives me something to direct my attention towards. ❤️ I never did elaborate on why I thought of Seadra, but it's because iirc Lance actually has one in Let's Go. However, it's not like we're here to simply copy what others have done without further insight, and as we already agreed, it would just be redundant when he also has Gyarados

@@yokaipinata1416 I thought the same with the gen 6 starters (btw fixing kalos gym leaders is on my to-do list next) I totally agree that it'd be cool sure they start off mono type water loses to grass but when they evolves now the water starter actually can threaten the grass starter, and therefore ultimately your rivals don't have a 1-up against you (or 1-down) but no matter what starter you pick you have to be weary of the other two with it being more evenly matched. Well I'm glad you were pleasantly surprised honestly I was not expecting a response especially this quickly lol, sorry if my responses were a bit poor grammatically it's 2:30am here. but yeah thank you for your comment If you end up watching my kalos video I hope you enjoy it, gonna be fun trying to toughen those guys up

@@RoryTheFiend I'm definitely interested and will try to look at that video shortly after it drops, Gen 6 really just needs a complete makeover to its game design. ❤️ And yes, I have a thing for replying immediately to things in general, albeit I can't always do so as of late. Its ironic because I tend to take a long time to get any tasks done, but when someone messages me? I'm already on it two seconds later.

That's the plan 😎

I can definitely see myself doing the FireRed LeafGreen games in this video format in the future. it'll give so much more flexibility since so far I've had to cater to gen 1 and gen 2 AI and moves lol

Trace but you can't beat him blindfolded while eating a sandwich would be interesting

Thanks Brandon! Yeah I think Dodrio could've been changed as well to maybe have tri attack even though it's worse than body slam since it'd fit better. And you're right on the Body Slam, somehow I didn't consider that when giving charizard swords dance! That being said at the very least auto crit slash can't be bad on him lol Ruby and Sapphire is interesting, Tate and Liza only having 2 mid pokemon would be one gym leader I'd be eager to change (creating a cool double strategy like how they have earthquake claydol and the rest of their team immune to it, will be fun to theory craft)

And Fly too for some mediocre Flying STAB as well.

Yeah Leon has quite the level jump I can see why nobody could beat him, was satisfying setting up stealth rock and seeing his charizard immediately be on 50% when I played my first time, maybe he shouldn't have kept showing off his charizard!

Yeah I can totally see that working! that's something I never considered for her

Yeah I can totally asee that working for Agatha, if so it would've replaced one of the Gengars!

for the most part he's clicking at random, bro is the definition of fake it till you make it

As a ghost type appreciator I'm glad she posed a challenge to some people

Yeah I looked up the ai on that and I wasn't 100% certain so I played it safe, god imagine that alakazam replacing psybeam with psychic, straight up monster! Thanks for clarifying it for me though I appreciate it!

Also also this is just salt in the wound since *most* of the post game is really good. Legendary hunting, starter hunting, Poké-radar hunting, battle tower, and Stark mountain were great features. Also also also *ALL* of the legendaries are not shiny-locked!

Yeah when I was a kid pokemon was tough even when I outlevelled them! So here I'm wanting to create something close to what a potential official hard mode would look like

Yeah water types in general are just super solid with their type matchups, I can see that being a tough one

@@RoryTheFiend Its a shame I was a dumb kid who didn't understand type diversity beyond the basics, all my friends had smooth sailing on Emerald with their Sceptiles

@@havoc697 We've all been there Sceptile does appreciate the water region anyway, though Swampert just clowns on the whole region

Yeah that's a good idea! Swords dance hyper beam sounds incredible, especially since hyper beam if it KOs you don't need to recharge.

Ooh that's a good idea, ninetales never even crossed my mind but yeah I like that

Something I'd definitely play on stream as well if it happens, someone made a ROM for me for crystal but I dunno about red and blue so I might take it into my own hands if I can find the right tools

She's definitely rigging the rng in her favor from time to time

the game is over two decades old with 1/10 of the team to develop it, im surprised you dont know any of this

You should see Final Fantasy 1 on NES. At least Pokemon's intended effectiveness chart is largely implemented and functional.(Minus that psychic is mistakingly immune to Lick instead of weak to it)

There are many... many bugs in gen 1, which is part of the reason why I love and hate it lol

Yeah wasn't that a fairly recent discovery? Like people for the longest time just thought they were unlucky not getting the para when body slaming normal types? Yeah yellow did a decent job improving the RB bosses, seriously just brunos team as a whole is so bad

I think the bug is not working that way : body slam does paralyze whether it's used by a normal type or not, but the thing is, if i remember well, that body slam CAN'T paralyze normal types pokemons

Yeah Bruno it's so funny how we all see him as pretty much the weakest elite 4 ever, he does his best but he is not built for this Yup I agree kalos elite 4 isn't anything special And interesting a lot of people have been saying Lucian and I can definitely see why, I do remember him being decently tough for me

gen 2 elemental punches are god sends for giving your team great coverage, it's so cool that typhlosion gets thunderpunch as well

@@RoryTheFiend Typhlosion and Feraligatr are both solid. My Feraligatr in Gen II and Gen IV knew Surf, Ice Punch, and Dig, with Dig making him especially good for taking on Jasmine and useful for exploring caves.

@@reillywalker195 All that just makes Meganium look even worse in comparison, rip

Haxorus is such a menace, I'm using one in a playthrough of Black 2 right now

That's some cool ideas, I'd say though watch out because the ai is so bad in red and blue that lance will use agility over and over again on any poison or fighting types thinking he's hitting you with super effective psychic attacks! (the ai is so ridiculous in those games o_o) Toxic leech seed on venusaur is cool because theres another bug that makes them work really well together! Good idea!

Not that anyone will know or care about this analogy, but it's like in Destiny's lore, where guardians only master one subclass, while the especially gifted get to use two, making the young wolf the strongest guardian by a mile, being able to master all 5 known elements. Same with pokemon trainers.

You're correct, swords dance is mainly for earthquake in this instance

Thank you! I'm glad you've enjoyed this! No you're not annoying, It makes my day seeing people comment on my videos saying they liked it, also yes I will continue for other generations! I've already done Gen 2 so if you haven't sen that then you can watch it here in this playlist: ru-vid.com/group/PLcQWyhZIDi0zOXNOHhV3BkgbvnKtBzYhg

@@RoryTheFiend I've watched them too. I don't know why, but yours is the type of video I can watch over and over without getting bored.

@@infinityalbi9840 Hey I'm glad! Editing these videos somewhere along the line my thought process starts to be quite critical of everything, thinking I've done a bad job and it's boring. I think that just comes with the territory of spending many hours hearing your voice over and over and getting self conscious about it all, so usually when I post these vids I have a bit of doubt in the back of my mind about them. Also I try to not overdo it with my voice or sound effects like some youtubers, so I hope my presentation style is fine for people. Thank you for your comment :)

@@RoryTheFiend you're welcome :)