Fixing the Doctor Who 5.1 Blu-Ray Theme

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The 5.1 mixes of many of the Tom Baker Blu-Ray collections uses a particularly weird opening theme that seems to merge the intro from the original mono 1970 Derbyshire remix into what seems to be Mark Ayres' stereo remaster of the 1963 theme. Apart from sounding really weird, this is obviously the wrong version of the title music to use for these episodes and I have no idea why the BBC have chosen to do this. This video shows how a new 5.1 or stereo mix of the proper 1970 opening theme could sound much better. While I understand that using the original mono version may have been deemed unacceptable for a 5.1 release, I don't see how the BBC couldn't have commissioned something like this considering the amount of work that went into turning the rest of the original mono audio of the episodes into 5.1. Especially as presumably a mix made from the original Derbyshire masters would sound much better than this!
Side note: RU-vid's copyright detection is garbage. Had to try uploading this about ten times because it blocked it worldwide for having footage from "The Power of Kroll" in it. The titles are literally from Genesis of the Daleks lads, it says right there.

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@protomenfan200x 3 года назад

Oh my God, THANK YOU! No one else ever seems to notice this when I point it out. It's so nice to hear a version that tries to sound more like the actual 1970 theme.

@jayjlevans2000 2 года назад

I noticed it straight away but I loved it, that was on the shades dvd, until they changed it so it starts with the horrible fade.

@jampox101 2 года назад

Seems they've finally fixed this with the season 17 boxset

@TheClax123 2 года назад

Can confirm it is proper 5.1 now with the S17 Boxset. Sounds really good now honestly! I really like it.

@MondySpartan 3 года назад

Ayres’ Derbyshire theme remaster was also at one point used as the theme for the 2005 revival.

@glowstoneunknown 2 года назад

Really? That's super interesting

@williamg209two 2 года назад

yeah i have a old torrent of s1e1 with that as the intro just titled rose apprently meant to be that one without the new who theme

@MichaelCarter1967347053 2 года назад

@@williamg209two was it before Murray gold was brought in to recreate the theme tune?

@DalekWho1963 3 месяца назад

@@MichaelCarter1967347053Considering there was an early version of the Gold theme in 2004 for the trailers, its more likely that the theme just hadn't been finalized yet and they used the Delia version as a placeholder

@toainsully 10 месяцев назад

"Man, hyperspace always looks so freaky" --- Peter Griffin

@KRAFTWERK2K6 Год назад

Thank god the German Blu-ray releases of Pandastorm include stereomixes where the audio of the intro is kept original. You can tell the difference cuz it has this slight distortion and really sounds old like it come from a 16mm optical audio soundtrack. I think 5.1 only exists for certain stories that have special releases like alternative cuts and feature length versions.

@abdullahqavi1465 4 месяца назад

Ngl, the real blu Ray audio sounds like a pretty good idea on paper. Throughout the 3rd and 4th doctor's series, the "woo wee woo" sound felt less neat compared to the OG 60s audio so it's nice that they tried to fix that. Tho, the way it's handled is as if someone used audio mixing on capcut for the first time.

@AndrewHsieh96 3 года назад

I never realised until just now! Didn't like the way how the 5:1 mix turned out, no offence. Was there any explanation as to why they didn't use the 'regular' 1970s theme for the 2017 release of Shada?

@TheMI7G 3 года назад

Yeah, it might not seem like much but considering that a lot of effort was clearly spent on the rest of the 5.1 mixes it stands out as pretty odd to neglect something so noticeable! Good question about Shada - I asked a friend who knows more and apparently the theme was remade from scratch from the original Derbyshire elements, and they just decided to do it that way rather than copying the 1970s theme. No idea why though, considering it clearly isn’t right!

@markayres4764 3 года назад

@@TheMI7G The original Delia (mono) mix is on the mono mix of Shada. I used a surround mix for the surround version. When I get a few minutes I will reply properly to Joel's critique above, and will cover this point in more detail.

@Bruh-zx2mc 2 года назад

@@markayres4764 The surround mix is amateurish though. Awful, doesn't do the '67 theme any justice.

@ianwilliams5866 2 года назад

Mark Ayres had tried to recreate the 1970 edit of the theme tune to compliment the 5.1 soundtrack. While he has access to the original elements of the first version of the theme he doesn’t have access to some of the elements of the subsequent re-edits including the wobbly spangly bits at the beginning the oozhoo into the main melody and extended zshhhhh into the repeat and fade. His first version was on the Shada Blu Ray, which is entirely 5.1 with a subsequent edit for planet of the Daleks onwards, starting in mono then mixing into the 5.1. I’m sure he’ll correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m assuming it was an editorial decision to start in mono then mix to 5.1. I personally don’t find that mix clumsy because the theme tune Suddenly opens up like a gigantic window when it comes powering out of all five channels on my amp

@iLikeTheUDK 2 года назад

There was an attempt to extract the spangles iirc in a mix he did in 2004 or 2005 which was used in a rough cut of Rose

@flares 9 месяцев назад

I would rather hear the version that we all heard when these episodes were first aired. Just leave the theme alone

@aleatoriac7356 3 года назад

WOW! This verison of the theme sounds _so much_ better not in mono... WOW, never thought I'd ever hear it.

@aleatoriac7356 3 года назад

@@RandomNameLastName811 I just listened to the remix from this video in mono. My ONLY complaint is that there is a lack of dynamic range compared to the original mono mix. It sounds fantastic to me both mono and stereo, but in particular lacks some of the deeper "punch" when the TARDIS transitions into the tunnel effect, and when the diamond logo vanishes. There is a dynamic pulse to the echoes in the final refrain/loop of the original mono, which is not present in this remix also. But the stereo placement of the elements in the remix is beautiful. It's not just a chorus or delay or haas effect, I love it.

@aleatoriac7356 3 года назад

@@RandomNameLastName811 I agree As a side, do you think there will be sufficient enhancement technology (say in the next 5 years) to "upscale" the old studio footage (shot on video) in classic Doctor Who to a quality comparable to modern HD? All the Doctor Who Blu Ray material I've seen doesn't look significantly better than the DVDs.

@therestorationofdrwho1865 3 года назад

@@RandomNameLastName811 it’s just better to keep things original you know? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

@BarryLetts379 3 года назад

Great stuff, you should do some more surround sound stuff with the classic era

@iLikeTheUDK 2 года назад

Real ROSE rough cut theme hours 😂 Anyway, how did you do this? It's amazing! I'd probably turn the melodica more down and/or take out some of the highs so it sounds more like the August 1963 "single" edit that all versions with the spangles were made from, and maybe also tame the delay to some degree to appease Delia's spirit as well as maybe add some subtle, airy reverb (some fake plate reverb maybe?) to some of the tracks, making sure neither really drown out anything below the mids or high mids. But I love it!!

@Bruh-zx2mc Год назад

The 67 theme lives off of that delay. As much as I respect Delia, I think the 67 theme is just as deserving of a spotlight as the original.

@ReverseThePolarity 3 года назад

I doubt the BBC have anything to do with this, or indeed many editorial decisions on the blu-rays. It could well be a creative decision by Mark Ayres. I guess there's also creative camps of 70s loyalty vs Delia Derbyshire pureism. Since Derbyshire hated the 70s theme revamps, and many might prefer the original 63 version, its just another creative debate brought about by the new special editions, which many might see as a experimental or creative divergence, from the original restored episodes, which are left separate, for those that just want to enjoy the originals.

@Cyberbeagle1000 3 года назад

Pretty amazing. Odd the Restoration Team would sanction this. Posted this on Gallifrey Base at all?

@flares 9 месяцев назад

Here's a question, Why couldn't they just leave the theme alone and put the exact theme that we all heard back in 1975 at the start of the episodes. Why try to 're-do' it or try to make it stereo.

@Kryojenix Год назад

Subtle but brilliant!!! 😍 (wher'es the heart ears emoji???)

@THR33STEP Год назад

AWESOME JOB!!!!

@iLikeTheUDK 2 года назад

That's the older 1963 mix/edit I was talking about (it was, eventually, released as an actual single, but in 1964): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_-9N0rL37PM.html

@db13724 3 года назад

I believe that on the animated Shada DVD they use the full 1963 Ayres remaster on the 5.1 audio options too :P

@jayjlevans2000 2 года назад

Any chance you could do full Versions of the 5.1 Themes from Shada, Terror of the Autons and Fury from the deep episodes 1-3 & 6.

@stephennoonan8417 2 года назад

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@CaptBCooper 3 года назад

Loving the edit. But outta interest, where can I find Mark Ayre's stereo remix as nowhere on RU-vid seems to have it?

@TheMI7G 3 года назад

It’s specifically the “2002 stereo remix”: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--Drb-slxlmg.html. Though in hindsight I don’t think this is that, I think it’s a new stereo mix with elements of the 70s theme added in but with lots wrong. Which is even weirder!

@youngbutretro4228 3 года назад

@@TheMI7G Its the 2004 unused Derbyshire remix that was used in both Shada and the Leaked version of Rose. The 2002 remix has a bad bass note in the beginning due to a tape issue.

@protomenfan200x 3 года назад

@@TheMI7G I actually quite like its use in the "Rose" workprint: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--pe6x5hIHJw.html As a hybrid mix of the 1963 and 1970 themes, it works rather well, especially in how it contrasts the more intense arrangement with the more minimalist soundscape. But I hate seeing it pop up as a replacement for the Tom Baker title theme.