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FL5 VS FK8 Civic TYPE R.. Which is Better? 

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@drewh22
@drewh22 Год назад
Given the fact that a lot of FL5's are going for absurd prices, it's pretty apparent that the FK8 is the better car for the value.
@ShaiyanHossain
@ShaiyanHossain Год назад
FK8s are also insanely priced lol, low mile ones still are going for over msrp, especially 19-21 models since they have some key upgrades
@harrmuu
@harrmuu 6 дней назад
its crazy how its come to this statement. The FK8's came out in '17 and are still being sold over 'their' MSRP and are being sold closer to the FL5's MSRP.
@drewh22
@drewh22 6 дней назад
@@harrmuu maybe for a new one... Used fk8's aren't that bad these days
@lynkx5066
@lynkx5066 Год назад
First off I'm happy that Honda is still making an ICE 6 speed Civic Type R.. however, the FK8 will always hold a special place in our hearts. The first Civic Type R sold here in the US and the best FWD car on the market. The body lines on the FK8 are incredible and IMO the FL5 just looks so long and wide. Both are incredible cars because, at the end of the day, they're pretty much the same car just with different exterior and interior styling.
@ChazOfGod
@ChazOfGod Год назад
I don’t like how the fk8 kind of limited your ability to customize the exterior.
@brandontran8638
@brandontran8638 Год назад
@@ChazOfGod mugen, spoon, varis, j’s racing, are all i need for exterior. either way, fk8 looks good stock. money can go to performance instead
@opadilla123
@opadilla123 Год назад
And the only model to make a record as the fastest type r in the Nurburgring
@lynkx5066
@lynkx5066 Год назад
@@ChazOfGod There are a lot of aftermarket options for the exterior?
@Aintyourbuddy_guy
@Aintyourbuddy_guy Год назад
I haven't liked the design of The Civic, since the 99-00 Si.. But, when I saw this new FL5, It finally felt like Honda was back. This new car is clean and classy.. and it will only look better with mods.. just like the old school civics.. Kudos to the Honda designers. 👍🔥
@tybarker5038
@tybarker5038 Год назад
I’m a proud ‘18 FK8 owner and personally think they really dropped the ball designing the FL5. The FK8 is so much more fun and aggressive looking. It looks like it lives in the future. I just love it.
@XOX-fs4ww
@XOX-fs4ww Год назад
That's called owner bias. Bc everybody and the world knows the fkg8y looks ugly asf.
@nilesreid6880
@nilesreid6880 9 месяцев назад
Had a LE, it got totaled 😬, now I’m in the FL-5 and it’s awesome
@kobi2002
@kobi2002 9 месяцев назад
@@nilesreid6880same here. Fk8 got totaled and fl5 is here. It’s sweet.
@baegyu6715
@baegyu6715 5 месяцев назад
Fk8 looks so ugly tho...i must be veryb subjective? Lol
@lynkx5066
@lynkx5066 Год назад
Antoher advantage of the FL5 is it's a blank canvas. The FK8 came with a "body kit" but FL5 lets you decide what direction you want to go with your build. Like Hondas of old.
@1ntegro
@1ntegro Год назад
For me the fk8 looks way better than the fl5. Idk fk8 looks so stylish and agressive and you would have never mistaken it to the other car brands. Fl5 looks like a boring-ass Hyundai. Fk8 is one of the few modern cars that i really appreciate.
@baegyu6715
@baegyu6715 5 месяцев назад
Classic design never gets old.FL5 all the way
@kevinplanb1
@kevinplanb1 Год назад
Great points! As a current FK8 owner I absolutely love the new FL5! I bought my fk8 new back in 2018 and I don’t know if I’ll be able to part with it lol.
@kevinplanb1
@kevinplanb1 24 дня назад
*Update* I sold my FK8 and bought a CW FL5 😂
@thecomplication76
@thecomplication76 Год назад
As a 2021 FK8 owner, I absolutely love it! My first ever manual transmission car and its a joy to drive on and off the track! I like the exterior styling of both the FK8 and FL5 but for some reason, the rear of the FL5 still hasn't sit well with me. It looks kind of like a Kia Stinger and I don't really like that styling but everything else about the FL5 is dope! I don't see myself switching from the FK8 to the FL5 only because of the similar performance but if something unfortunate happens to the FK8, I would for sure get the FL5. Thanks for the review Dustin! And I totally agree with you, the FK8 styling is a huge reason as to why I like the car and why every time I take it on the street, I get thumbs up from so many other drivers :)
@touvue9362
@touvue9362 Год назад
Fk8 is classic ek8 and fl5 is that fresh modern that we need!
@XOX-fs4ww
@XOX-fs4ww Год назад
Have you seen the rear of the fk8? It's dmb looking, huge hatch like a station again with rear fake vents? Who the fk are you trying to trick, teenagers?
@thecomplication76
@thecomplication76 Год назад
@@XOX-fs4ww To each their own, i’m not a teenager but still like the looks and the way it drives 🤷🏾‍♂️ Best thing to take away from the FL5 is at least now there is another body style for those that didn’t like the FK8 👌🏾
@rculture
@rculture Год назад
If someone were to park the FK8 and FL5 side by side, ask me to chose the keys for either car, id choose the FK8 and i think 90% would chose the FK8
@XOX-fs4ww
@XOX-fs4ww Год назад
Bc it looks like a toy. If you were to ask them which would they buy and keep, everybody chooses the fl5.
@louisz8786
@louisz8786 Год назад
I've been going back and forth and really want to pull the trigger on an FL5. Right now I can't justify paying the crazy dealer markups. The main reason I want the FL5 over the FK8 is the styling. I'm turning 40 this year and think the FL5 is more suited to my taste. I think a subtle Spoon FL5 would be awesome. Now don't get me wrong, I would totally get an FK8 and throw the J's Racing catalog at it too.
@BigPhatGreek
@BigPhatGreek Год назад
Just saw my first FL5 in person and 10/10 would take over the FK
@Th3Gr3mlinz
@Th3Gr3mlinz Год назад
FK8 over FL5, just put the FL5 seats in the FK8. I know it’s more aggressive but it look’s unique over the subdued design of the newest one.
@jonathan___4684
@jonathan___4684 Год назад
I really want the seats in my FK8. Are they swappable?
@jacobt641
@jacobt641 Год назад
If if it has a type R badge on it I'm going to love it, but the fk8 has my heart. I love the overly aggressive styling of it. It just fits the nature of the car imo.
@daze8789
@daze8789 2 месяца назад
Never owned a civic type r, was always in STIs. Oh man, this might rub the wrong way with subi fan boys, used to be one, but my fl5 is absolute bliss. What a freakin fun, fast, awesome looking piece of perfection. Best car purchase I have ever made.
@jpmotorsport4728
@jpmotorsport4728 Год назад
FL5 bro is going to be an epic build , it’s a great platform to work from and then once you start putting the goodies on, it’s gonna be Gran Turismo v soon 😎🔥🔥🔥🔥
@TerenceY
@TerenceY Год назад
Simply going by the looks of the exterior and interior, I would take the FL5 any day. It would suit my 40 year old ass more.
@chancewithcollectibles6934
@chancewithcollectibles6934 Год назад
Probably the best explanation between the two. I'm keeping my FK8 unless something bad happens to it.
@Dogwagon
@Dogwagon Год назад
Imo FK8 is a way better looking car and still looks like a civic. The FL5 looks like an accord with a wing and does not represent a civic.
@tear728
@tear728 Год назад
Nah
@jfz313
@jfz313 Год назад
FK8 all day had a 2022 Civic SI and just hated the styling nobody seemed to like it and sold it after 6 months and bought a 2021 Type R and love it.
@Shokeilive
@Shokeilive Год назад
I feel like in terms of what is better. The fk8 is like that raw r32 ready for anything and the fl5 is like that r33 400r; I wonder what the next type r will be if they keep this up. Both are amazing.
@noname-yb5jt
@noname-yb5jt Год назад
The next one will be electric.
@jonathan___4684
@jonathan___4684 Год назад
Nothing bad at all about the FL5, brilliant car. That being said the FK8 just has that x factor, evokes more emotion I think. People either love or hate the looks of the FK8 but everyone has something to say about it. Feels like it has more character, it stands out, you can't ignore it😅 for me I'll never sell mine, I'm way too attached to it
@zos1mo
@zos1mo Год назад
I currently have an 04 em2 civic and I am planning on getting the fl5 typer after I graduate university. Keep up the amazing work Dut cause I always appreciate your amazing content!
@christopherharris6005
@christopherharris6005 Год назад
Awesome video as always Dustin. The FL5 is so awesome and cool can't wait to see what new mods are coming out for the FL5.
@raynaldfernandez1436
@raynaldfernandez1436 Год назад
I used to own an FK8. The FL5 is what I want. No more fake carbon, and less fake vents.
@Ace20001216
@Ace20001216 Год назад
Fk8 but can’t go wrong either or 🎉
@refillz5281
@refillz5281 Год назад
There's a Boost Blue Pearl one at a local Honda dealer, looks so good in that blue!
@JohnCherubin
@JohnCherubin Год назад
I’ve been waiting for this video!! I love the selection of cars you have it’s one of the widest list of realistic dailies and toys for nonyoutubers like me can actually get lol…between the FL5 and the GR Corolla for me
@KMPMOCS
@KMPMOCS Год назад
Heart says FK8
@Xchax3
@Xchax3 Год назад
Civic Type Rs are not made to be drag cars out the factory. Something I felt I had to mention. I see so many videos showing the FK8 and FL5 in a straight up drag race. The lead engineer stated in a SavageGeese video and made it clear they wanted to make a ridiculous track car of the FL5 in comparison to the FK8. The FL5 is designed for those turns on a track where you would probably have more "roll" or "lean" on an FK8. Something I noticed is: it's a little rougher in suspension but after 4 months of owning one, it broke in but needs to be run in individual mode for the better experience with everything in +R except for suspension. I personally leave that on Comfort for driving on the street. The FL5 is a love letter to the fans of the old school design of the Civic Type R. It's a mix of the EK9, FD2, and even the Accord Type R (Euro R). I love mine.
@Jcc693
@Jcc693 Год назад
No lie… FL5 In person beats pictures it’s super wide, with a mature look and all the “aero” actually works.
@g0d182
@g0d182 Год назад
and fk8 aero doesn't work?
@OnTheWireMedia
@OnTheWireMedia Год назад
@@g0d182a lot of the aero on the fk8 are fake and you have to cut out pieces of the car to make them work just like Dustin did with the fk8.
@refillz5281
@refillz5281 Год назад
Agreed. Seen one in Boost Blue Pearl at a Honda Dealer in York Pennsylvania, looked absolutely amazing
@g0d182
@g0d182 Год назад
@@OnTheWireMedia Fl5 has the same number of fake vents in front, except they are tinier and maybe pointless to cut them out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Y96AjGMJe50.html
@tavo.simracing
@tavo.simracing Год назад
@@OnTheWireMedia aero and cooling aren’t the same
@fkhothatchi
@fkhothatchi Год назад
The perfect combination is the fk8 exterior with the fl5 interior.
@2seep
@2seep Год назад
Fk8 exterior is literal rice. Fl5 looks much better.
@fkhothatchi
@fkhothatchi Год назад
@@2seep definitely looks much better than q60
@layoutal
@layoutal Год назад
It would be nice to you do a test of the trunk space between them. Put all ur track stuff you take in the FK8 and then put it in the FL5 and see how much more or less room there is.
@brandonf80m3
@brandonf80m3 Год назад
I have and FK8 and got to have a fl5 for a few days and The FL5 is definitely better in some ways but it’s just in personal preference the FL5 has better speakers, better seat, individual modes, more gauges to read and head unit and the build quality is a lot better but everything else is based on everyone’s personal preference both are great cars but I’ll be trading my fk8 for a FL5.
@noname-yb5jt
@noname-yb5jt Год назад
It the J VIN that does it for me. The build quality.
@brandonf80m3
@brandonf80m3 Год назад
@@noname-yb5jt lol that too for me man the Japanese made car 😂
@skateecho
@skateecho Год назад
Both such cool cars. The FK8 is def a bit more old school JDM styling with that iconic wang but i really do like the more subtle styling of the CL5. Def not a needed upgrade for everyone who likes the FK8 but i really do like what Honda is doing. CL5 is still a bit expensive for my blood but if dealers are waaay marking them up still a good value and probably awesome daily driver
@ShaiyanHossain
@ShaiyanHossain Год назад
FK8 is definitely NOT old school
@edsmith9677
@edsmith9677 Год назад
Fk8 is the dream
@hazzyperez6640
@hazzyperez6640 Год назад
honda really makes some great cars.... when it comes down to it i dont think i could choose both have qualities i like... the fk8 is just aggressive straight in your face and the fl5 is still aggressive just more mature about it lol 😄
@newbwheeler9777
@newbwheeler9777 Год назад
Ok before I watch I bet it’s going to go like this. “The FL5 is freaking sick but the FK8 is sick too”.
@dominichills
@dominichills Год назад
I'm with you on the FK8, I think it looks sick!!!
@alastairmair8719
@alastairmair8719 9 месяцев назад
The FL5 is a very nice car , undoubtedly improved on the FK8 , the hardest part for an FK8 owner is equating the price increase as a highly modified FK8 is still cheaper than a new stock FL5 and alot quicker , To get the FL5 to that stage will be very costly to do .
@theodorepedro
@theodorepedro Год назад
FL5 down pipe off the turbo are the same as FK8 there's a company that use the fk8 after market down pipe on the fl5 and had to fabricate the rest of the exhaust for the fl5
@kjwong4730
@kjwong4730 8 месяцев назад
Both are great cars and I like the design of both. But I like my fk8 and am sticking to it
@skylyfeprojects
@skylyfeprojects Год назад
Well I purchased my 2021 FK8 back Black Friday of 2020 and well not STOCK anymore will always hold a place in my heart. I do like the FL5 in certain viewing angles and in some it just doesn't make sense to me. If I could own both I would love to drive and own both cars. Both are amazing in their own ways like you said. With all that being said I'm branching out from JDM and going to the Germans planning to out right purchase the brand new 2024 M2 G87 manual while still keeping my FK8 and my 2022 Mini Countryman S all4 as the daily. So in the end I plan on having best of all worlds AWD+RWD+FWD platforms/projects. Great video as always Dustin Keep rocking. Much Love and blessings 🙏 #SkyLyfeProjects
@sphexly6169
@sphexly6169 Год назад
I love My FK8 but wouldn't mind down the line and install FL5 dashboard into FK8
@ashleycool64
@ashleycool64 Год назад
I got a 2020 fk8 and soon getting my FL5. Keeping both. Fk8 is super quick so can’t wait to drive and see the difference in the fl5
@XOX-fs4ww
@XOX-fs4ww Год назад
Sell one, they're both the same car, get a rwd at least.
@user-qf3ey7mr6m
@user-qf3ey7mr6m Год назад
@@XOX-fs4ww why should I listen to you. You probably don’t even have one but wish you could. I like to change it up instead of driving the same car everyday
@Shankmeyster
@Shankmeyster Год назад
Now when we gonna see an EK9 in the stable? 😍🤤 Please don't get rid of the Rs as you're a Honda guy as well. Expand the collection!
@SkoomaDealer24
@SkoomaDealer24 Год назад
We gotta fix that light in the back Dustin 😂
@OnTheWireMedia
@OnTheWireMedia Год назад
🤣🤣🤣
@cj41079
@cj41079 Год назад
Want to see all Hondas lined up, S2k, EG, CTRs.....Honda bois lol
@Shono731
@Shono731 Год назад
😀🚙Always incredible videos Dustin!! My day is always brighter when I get to see your videos!! Keep up the phenomenal job!!🚙😀
@chervue7664
@chervue7664 Год назад
Fk8 never really into the fl5, waiting to see more fk8
@JanandAnn
@JanandAnn Год назад
Fk8 looks soo good in person. The Fl5 is sick but it lacks character in my opinion. Both beautiful cars tho!
@twosheds1749
@twosheds1749 11 месяцев назад
I'm 59 and love our FK8! The FL5 reminds me of an Audi styling wise.
@johnss2k434
@johnss2k434 Год назад
I'm on the fence about the FL5. The car looks good and is a nice improvement on the interior, but I don't think it is worth the price difference if you already have an FK8. I didn't get to drive the FL5 on track yet, but on the street the fk8 rides noticeably better especially the 2020+ models. I also thought the steering feels a bit better to me in the FK8. As much as I love the FK8, I do like the styling of the FL5 more.
@artemioavila2052
@artemioavila2052 Год назад
Att 44 years old i prefer the fl5 as the fk8 seems to be for the younger crowd, its more aggressive than the fl5, eitherway they are both nice and unique in their own way.
@Trica5tin
@Trica5tin Год назад
You should not compare numbers, the decision is which car represents you more. For me the FK8.
@jasonlee2359
@jasonlee2359 Год назад
would love to see a BTS of the creative process for the legends artwork! from conception to production!
@levi99
@levi99 Год назад
I was always on board with the fk8 aggressive styling which may be related to me growing up in the 90s when crazy body kits were a thing. The fl5 is a great car and the fk8 is a great car, to say the US got two Type Rs for purchase in the market is a great move by Honda. But at the end of the day, imo, the price of the fl5 doesn’t justify me enough to move on from a fk8.
@noname-yb5jt
@noname-yb5jt Год назад
As someone who also grew up in the 90's I am still loving my fbo tuned FG2. Was too young (16) and broke to get a 6th gen si in 99 and the 7th gen was garbage, lol. I have a feeling there's a 2025 FL5 with my name on it.
@vincestone5465
@vincestone5465 Год назад
Alrighty the fk8 it is
@ChristianTherms
@ChristianTherms Год назад
That’s really nice but I wanted to hear the comparisons with Acura type s and the type r fl
@wiver1676
@wiver1676 Год назад
I like the fk8 style too. I guess that makes me weird as well. Gotta find one ASAP.
@timholubowitch9097
@timholubowitch9097 Год назад
To me the fl5 just looks like a special edition accord.
@fc3.Qisking
@fc3.Qisking Год назад
Dut this is a valid and SERIOUS question 😂 would you ever do a type r collection like you did for your gtr’s? You have the r32 through r35. Would you consider buying an ek9, and fd2/fa5 to fd2 conversion, to add to your collection?
@DiegoGonzalez-ol4wo
@DiegoGonzalez-ol4wo Год назад
The new type R looks like an Accord
@BlueFL5
@BlueFL5 Год назад
Yea same as the 3 series BMW has similar traits to the 5 series and so on. It’s Honda’s design language. The new HRV looks like the FL5 too. The FK8 also looks like the Odyssey. 🤭
@Andychengg
@Andychengg Год назад
No overheating, fl5 is instantly better
@Shankmeyster
@Shankmeyster Год назад
Aftermarket suspension for the 10th is not a direct swap as the 11th is heavier and longer. Still waiting for coilovers for my Si.
@dustinjones1907
@dustinjones1907 Год назад
The thing that separates the fk8 from the fl5 in terms of styling is the rear. I really don't like the rear styling of the fl5, the fk8's taillights and wing make it look so sick and like an actual type R. The fl5 type R kind of just looks like an Si with an aftermarket flimsy wing.
@mal5.0ne49
@mal5.0ne49 Год назад
FK8 looks, FL5 interior
@joshuadoland5479
@joshuadoland5479 Год назад
Which ones better? Dut: Yes!
@saintx5933
@saintx5933 Год назад
Great video! Love them both
@vtecfoo
@vtecfoo Год назад
FL5 looks much better all around than the FK8, really want one
@rickeybradley2635
@rickeybradley2635 Год назад
Love my boost blue FL5 I just got. Had a 2021 FK8 but Love my FL5 more.
@Jepps_CTR
@Jepps_CTR Год назад
@4:37 yea, GTA rules, the FK8 diffuser isn't functional LOL needing to remove the rear lip is probably the most mind boggling Enthusiast class rule
@joelstrain4275
@joelstrain4275 Год назад
Great to see after a day of work.
@UncleDougsGaming
@UncleDougsGaming Год назад
The R32 is retired already? Damn. Really love that car specially how it sounds.
@ataschereau5xj
@ataschereau5xj Год назад
needs a transmission
@ulises8483
@ulises8483 Год назад
The answer is simple, if you’re moding the car FK8. If keeping bone stock or basic mods the FL5.
@NvSrAgE679
@NvSrAgE679 Год назад
The FK8 came with ambient lighting too if you specked it with it.
@nzieli6486
@nzieli6486 Год назад
Are we just not going to mention that door ding on the FK8 LOL! 8:45
@noirrain6005
@noirrain6005 Год назад
Them cuts
@magicwaffl3z
@magicwaffl3z Год назад
God I want the FL5 so bad. I just dont know if I can afford it responsibly lmao
@DiegoGonzalez-ol4wo
@DiegoGonzalez-ol4wo Год назад
Tbh I love your channel. Been watching it for the last 3 years. Love it all but you keep on doing track only cars and track content for most vids. I get it’s your thing your card n all but it’s the same type of build for the cars. I miss the stances builds and the driving vlogs and all the little things. Trust I love the channel where it’s at. Just miss the other content
@dustiinw
@dustiinw Год назад
Thanks for the support! I’m not sure if you haven’t been keeping up, or even listening in this video, but the FL5 is a street car. We also just uploaded a video of going to a car meet. We still do all of those things, you just might not be seeing everything. Either way, thanks for watching!
@D4in1ch1
@D4in1ch1 Год назад
Dustin こんにちは, I been watching you your RU-vid channel, and have amazing cars. I already created my account on your sales. I will buy some of your stuff. So l can put on my FL5. Post more video and god bless.
@rad1ant
@rad1ant Год назад
both cars are dope af but tbh bro I love my sport touring hatchback: more comfy + more features + 30% lower cost, but obviously type r is way faster lol
@TehPsychoticGamer
@TehPsychoticGamer Год назад
This is great but where's the GR?
@bobbyb77
@bobbyb77 Год назад
Changing the clutch is a pain. have to drop the subframe on the type r that i see on RU-vid a k swap is much easier When the time comes changing the clutch. What you think 🤔
@ericadams8198
@ericadams8198 Год назад
Will the Hks intake from the fk8 fit on the fl5? Would be sick
@JohanGavieres
@JohanGavieres Год назад
Dustin. Why did you sale the 86 for? No more drifting?
@ramonbriones4487
@ramonbriones4487 Год назад
It's like choosing between an EF and EG. Both have a cult following and no need to compare them. They're both great! Oh and EF is goat lol
@NCLme
@NCLme Год назад
Dude I want them both 😊❤😊 I want the FK8 in Championship White and the new FL5 in BoostBlue or SonicGrey 👌🏿💕💕💕
@crazypandarag3
@crazypandarag3 Год назад
it’s fl5 alll dayyyy..
@jacobrev6567
@jacobrev6567 Год назад
Yey another Honda Civic type R Content
@SeriouslyManagable
@SeriouslyManagable Год назад
Really confused about what gets to stay in the shop vs what should be sold given all the new cars to the shop :/ so many track cars that seemingly serve similar purposes
@ZainJafar
@ZainJafar Год назад
Can the HKS intake and other mods for the FK8 go on the FL8?
@johnjohnjohn4557
@johnjohnjohn4557 Год назад
The FL5 looks like an angry Accord
@user-tt3po7zc9k
@user-tt3po7zc9k Год назад
HONDA SHOULD PRODUCE MORE. PEOPLE BUY AND RESELL THEM FOR 89K CAD PLUS TAXES 100K FOR A CIVIC,. PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WANNA OWN THE CAR CANT EVEN GET THEIR HANDS ON IT.
@tedfolov
@tedfolov Год назад
What's FL5 TE offset
@LennoxandCompany
@LennoxandCompany Год назад
Difficult to compare a race car tuned fk8 vs a stock fl5
@7pszeliga017
@7pszeliga017 Год назад
As good as the FL5 looks (it looks amazing) is it worth the $25k market adjustment? I really don’t think so
@ED17Y
@ED17Y Год назад
Hey Dustin I think you should get rid of the directional mic your voice always gets muffled when you point it away
@ralph7569
@ralph7569 Год назад
i would say the new honda type r is more mature than the previous one.
@samyu63
@samyu63 Год назад
FK8 vs fl5 Vs S2000 on the race track soon! Who has the faster laptimes!. Views will skyrocket!
@Chris-yz8fd
@Chris-yz8fd 2 месяца назад
You compare the best color of the fk8 to the worst color of the fl5. lol. I own a white fl5 and it looks amazing. I’ve owned both cars. Fk8 feels bulky compared to the fl5 when driving. You take the fk8 to a high school dance, where as the fl5 to pick up your date to get some dinner and much more ;3. Both are good cars. You get what you pay for tho. FL5 has perfected where the fk8 has its flaws
@MustangBrooks
@MustangBrooks Год назад
The first type R looks so much better.
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