LEGIT Record?! HOT Laps in FL5 Honda Civic Type R! // Nürburgring 

Ideally I should film an extra explanatory piece for this video, but I don't have time as I am in Monza right now. I would like to address the overheating issue and my role/responsibility in this. With modified cars or old ones, I monitor the temperature closely, even if the GoPro is blocking the direct view, I would peek over it to double check. Modern cars have plenty of safety features that would throw a big warning and reduced power mode to avoid any danger (happened on a Gen 1 Audi R8 last week actually, which you'll see later). Let alone a STOCK car should be able to handle it flawlessly. That the car only went in limp mode at over 150 degrees kinda blows my mind. The engine stutter was clearly due to low fuel because on the second lap when we reached 150+ again, the car performed without issues. After watching the video back, I think the car had a faulty thermostat, because the water temp kept rising uncontrolllably past 90 degrees. After the first lap by the way, the oil was changed at Milltek and checked for any damage - all was good. Also if the passenger/owner saw the oil temp hit over 150 himself and didn't say anything - maybe those temps are normal, I'm not a Honda expert. All of that aside, we can clearly see NO WAY the record car was running the same gearing and maybe the boost levels. My corner exit speeds were a few km/h lower due to cold tyres and simply lack of seat time, but the final speeds and revs/gears were massively off on high speed sections such as SX, Foxhole and Kesselchen.

For all the beeping, it's kinda strange there's no beeping for when the engine get so hot.

150° Celcius for oil, this car needs definitely of a oil cooler upgrade

I used to be ICE reliability test engineer, for a french manufacturer, and i especially worked on the engine that goes in the back of a little car named AS1... The worst case taken into account for the engine design/conception, is 110°C coolant temp and 140°C oil temp, about 400h at max torque, then 600h at max power. Honestly, it is often the test that goes the most well without any issues (more problems came from the bench itself instd from the engine). At such temperatures, no ECU derating must alter performance, it must be the same as what the advertising shows. Another test consist of perform an "overheating" endurance test (100h which represent the worst customer case and/or a bad thermostat and/or in desert with high altitude (low air density/less cooling performance)), to then set the maximum torque the crankshaft bearing can handle (to go until the failure is part of the test, it is a result). So to get back the Type R, above 135-138 oil temp and 110 coolant temp, the FL5 has started to derate its output, by 20-30%. Before the fuel cut, no mechanical damage should appear (well you may have half of the power output, but it shouldnt fail). The most risky is to "break" the oil film due to low viscosity, as the dimension doesnt change (low scale regarding the oil visc), the more the oil is hot, the less the oil is viscous and so the pressure (can goes until 10-15bar, to fight against the combustion pressure that push the piston/rod to it) between the crankshaft and the bearing is low because of the highest leakage flow on both side of the bearing. Anyway, sorry for my english, hope it lights up some of you :)

"beep boop" that would get annoying quick

And I thought the MTM S3 was bad… I can’t wrap my head around how a PERFORMANCE car can even reach 150C+ oil temperature, nor throw a WARNING when that happens. It beeps for everything else, but for the one thing that matters the most it does not. Mindblowing.

The oil temp is crazy😅

Seems very strange that for a car that is supposed to be trackable you first need to upgrade the cooling

Ex FK8 owner here. Heat management (or lack thereof) has always been the Achilles' Heel of FK8 for track use. You can add coolers but IIRC the front-facing turbo and compact engine bay packaging forced the downpipe to be right behind the radiator stack --- maybe good for emissions, but bad for track. Not surprised at all to see (almost) the same symptoms here. The stock + consumables car was already a blast to drive, until it forced me to cool down every other lap :(

#1 dat shift :) #2 seems like this needs the exact same upgrade the previous CTR needed: remove/replace all fake vents in the bumper... it needs all the air it can get.

Great driving and fast car aside, not looking at the gearing or the temp issues there’s one thing that stands out for me: the color is 10/10! Love the spec of that car. The shift beep would drive me nuts though!

Honda cars with Type-R badge were always associated with agility and endurance, you could rev them out for laps and not give a F***. Kind of sad to see this one overheat so bad..

The oil temperature is a CALCULATED value. There is no oil temp sensor in this engine. But still can't be off by 10-20 C so.. it's freakin hot.

love the camera positions on this one

Oil temps aside, what an amazing car to drive .

Hi Misha,the footcam looks good and informative with the videos,would be happy to see them consistent with every cars and laps :D great content!

I love how only Misha makes everybody's equipment freak out. Really fun lap(s). My stock '97 EK1 hatch is jealous. 👍😎🇦🇺

It has a great color combination with the wheels. Please upgrade its cooling ASAP too 😂

150°c for any type of oil is fkn insaneeee☠️☠️🚀

Ever since the FK2‘s turbo introduction these Type-R‘s had severe difficulties with temperature and overheating. FK8 wasnt much better either in that regard. Friend of mine has a black FK8 with a few hardware mods including a proper Intercooler and an Intake (i believe wagner for the intercooler and intake was eventuri too if i remember right). He‘s running about 360ish bhp with a tune. One Lap of Hockenheim sent the oil-temp up to 150 degrees celcius too and he went out to the pits after the lap. The car smelled like it was on fire we were genuinely worried

What a lap ! The front end grip and rotation makes this look like with a bit more power some big cars would struggle to keep up.

That color holy moly .. such a beautiful Car

Good and informative video. prefer this kind of videos to the generic happy smile perfect world because from these you learn alot, not just egoboosting. I drive slighly modified GR Yaris and have addressed the cooling of engine (extra oil cooler) and brakes (HRNS cooling kit + ti shims), still car has issues on hot track, especially with brake temps. Nowadays building a economical car for commuting vs track car are so different recipes that it is very difficult to do both. Then again, like adding super big water to air heat exhanger and manage the flow with flaps could be good choice for track cars, though haven't seen many such being used (maybe with BMW?). Haven't driven Honda but I like how informative and clear the dash is - must be a fun car to drive and own!

That new Civic Type R runs very hot on track considering it was not on a map, would invest in an intercooler and radiator.

Fucking hell that second lap following the traffic was superb! The over take on the older blue hatch was great on the corner👊 The FL5 looks incredibly capable

Damn that is a stunning looking Civic! And it puts a shift on too!

In some of the footage of Misha driving the car in the parking area, the Oil pressure is hitting 70+ psi over 2000 rpm. When they were having issues with the car, the Oil pressure was never getting above 45psi even close to 8k rpm.

excellent driving. You push it to 100%.

What an M chase in 2nd lap. So nice

Woah that colour is incredible

Yes!! I've been waiting for this one❤

So thankful to sim racing! Got me hooked on GT3 racing and incredible tracks like Nurburgring! Watching you rip on this track and me being NYC and ocean away knowing every turn on it befor you get there still blows my mind! Bravo!! I have to hop the pond and do this 1 day!

Those oil temps climbed quicker than the speedo! Holy! 😂

Wow, that is really good corner speed and heavy throttle application through the Hatzenbach complex! Especially straight out of the gate on cold tyres. Ive never seen a FWD car taking those corners so quick with so much throttle.

2nd lap is 🔥 Amazing driving misha

*beep* *beep* *beep* (SHIFT) *BEEP* ............... *beep* *beep* *beep* in all seriousness, impressive as usual boss man....car looks solid

Of all the modern sport cars i think i find the type r to be one of most appealing choices!

Love that turbo noise and this car handles like it’s on rails but the fl5 and fk8 are already known for that so I’m not surprised although that nitron suspension is helping I’m sure

Matching color spoiler. That's brilliant 💯

Second lap was night and day better. Thanks for the content! Your way to talented!

The temps going so high is incredible in such a new car... wonder if something wrong at the termóstat... bring back older cars 🤣🤣 jenifer do not overheat hahah 👊👊

My god Misha your driving surprises me every time. Excellent job.

body and trimming colour choices are INSANELY GOOD

I really enjoyed my week here last week the ring is addictive

That Yaris on L2 held its own against the CTR who was not passing with GR lifting off. Impressive, especially out of Karoussel

Oil Temp ----°C ! Crazy ! We're good at making fries!

it does seem to handle very nicely👌🏻

I think you proved your point about Honda's lap, great colour & laps you did, & the owner isn't a bad looking fella ether, Rj in Oz

Over 150°C oil? Whaaat

Yes oil temp need addressing asap. They raises very quickly even on the beginning of the lap 2 just a few seconds into the lap. Very strange...

Damn, Honda should pay your channel for that banging INTRO!!! And holy smokes, thanks for showing MPH! I can appreciate your driving even more now.

I am really liking these FL5 civics they are going to be a amazing bit of kit

That car rotates like crazy, looks like a blast!

that oil is so hot even the temp gauge says ---😮

love the shift light

New to your channel and I gotta say I am astounded at how many people leave loose items in the car when they give it to you to drive. You can see the disgust on your face for like half a second but you really do a great job keeping your cool. You also do amazing in traffic there. I am jealous both of your driving ability but more so of your temperament

That thing is glued to the road, amazing tyres and suspension.

Is the first gauge for Water temp, as it reaches more than 100 degrees most of the time. It definitely needs low temp thermostat and cooling setup upgrades

That green is very nice. Reminds me of my uncles integra coupe in Metallic Forest Green

Personally I loved the model with the gear in the dash. Too cool

What oil was in it at the time (brand/type/viscosity)?

I’m surprised it didn’t start to lower the boost when coolant temp went past 120 and oil over 150. I was expecting 8-9psi at most. I have stock Ecoboost mustang and not even on a race track you can push the temps on the higher end of the scale to the point where it starts to limit the power( less boost and probably retards the timing or just limits the throttle input to 80% I don’t know but you can feel it )

Wow that turns in sublimely

The honking would drive me crazy. It created a funny ambience for the video

Not only the car but also the rate at which the oil temp was climbing seemed quite sporty You would guess that those R branded things would come with big oil coolers.

What an incredible car❤

Beautiful color on that civic!!

Thank you Misha for the lap all the best..

150?! Thats really up there. I'm suprised nothing broke :)

253 degrees F coolant temps and around 300 degrees oil temps are insane!

Excellent maneuverability.

Hi Misha What’s with the left foot braking? Is it just for quicker reaction from gas & brake or something else?

That’s not a factory tune, the car is at 19 psi to redline. Stock tune they bleed off boost as it approaches redline. It’s no wonder the oil temp is off the charts. 🔥🔥

Honda civic type R‘s are super good, i got a tuned fk8, its perfect

On my VRS230 I got 3x "Oil sensor: workshop" and crazy oil temperature readings in one months. I've replaced 2 oil sensors, now I'm waiting again for the Skoda service. First time they said it's because I drive it too sporty, I was doing 200-250km/h constantly, but now just driving it normally the error is back. When I saw the temp at 150deg, I felt the pain ...

Wow need to insulate this CAI quickly! It suvk all the hight temp air around and engine is so quick to get hot ! Almost as Misha 😁

That car needs a better oil cooler. The oil was at 149c by the carousel Also on the first run the dash did show a warning a little bit before it lost power. It flashed a few times on the left of the speed.

That oil temp tho😅😅

For sure the hot of the turbo near the block go up the oil temp so much easier, a good wrapping on tubes and upgrade intercooler will fix some of this problem, note the entire race this boost was at 20psi all gone red down the hood 😂

When my Camaro 5G was still stock, I spent much time on the Nurb and I've nveer got so high temps...

18:05 I couldn’t take my eyes off that Toyota starlet, that thing was moving very fast for such a little car and a little engine assuming it’s still a 1.3 most likely turbo

Good to see you taking your twin brother out for a hot lap❤

the FK8 honda R had cooling issues as well, here in australia the type R's would regularly be sitting in the pits when it got hot. I actually bought a i30N because of it. Lots of people were hoping the new model would have solved this known issue.

Hahha! The moment u saw that F80 I saw both of u felt that little competition vibes :D. Sadly there was no map on that car, I believe that would have made a huge difference. Lovely video as always! A pleasure to watch, thanks Misha!

It was said somewhere by Honda on the release of the lap that The record car was not a stock model But a special version

at 120°C i started watching the gauge - was really impressed that it went out of the sensor range but still kept full boost and oil pressure :D

Merci pour ce petit shoot d’adrénaline. Ça fait du bien.

Hey Misha what suspension do you recommend for a scirocco r, have you driven any?

Oil pressure was higher on the second lap at the same temperature. Wonder if they were running a lower viscosity oil before the oil change.

More type r content 🤩🤩

Perfect in every single way

Unbelievably tastefully modded car. I love it

misha, please take my manual elantra N around the track, im planning on taking a trip to germany soon!

Car making alarm-like sound? Losing power? Better continue driving harder. Lol. You're a savage, Misha. But epic driving and that second lap was fun as hell! He better get some cooling upgrades if he wants to keep track driving it

Thnx, Misha & FL5's owner 4 that video!)

That's actaully some really beautiful paint

The ratios really are super different. Also my goodness that beeping would ruin this car for me if it kept up too much

Had the same issue with my fk2 at Oulton park. The heat management with the k20c engine really isnt that good.

i love the noises it makes

1:01 saw a c6 corvette there, and i would like to see u do a lap with a 6th generation corvette, a zo6 or a ZR1 maybe... would be nice!