Flat Earthers claim the ISS is really a plane ... 

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🤡 spewing garbage for shekels

Talking to flat earthers/deniers/etc. it's like arguing with a kid who dropped out of elementary school and is also drunk. I find it very funny and sad at the same time.

@@ongabriendocaminos2197 i feel the same when trying to explain how demonstrable reality destroys the globe delusion. Its like taking to a mentally retarded spastic. You lot can only insult amd ad hom. No practicality to your ridiculous claims

The Galaxy might be flat, but the Earth is not. That still doesn't mean the ISS is real.

Thank you for your work!

You were fooled by the middle schoolers! They are actually spies working for Big Astronomy and rigged your results! Open your eyes!

This sounds like a setup for the "African or European swallow?" joke 😁😁

Way over the intellect of a flat Earther then.🤣

But flurfs can't maths!

Spot on. The excuses are far more complex than the reality. That's why i think most Flerfs are mere poes, looking for a bit of fun.

Can't remember which debunker it was that did a bit that was something like... (phone rings) "it's for you. Yeah, a Mr. Occam's on the line. " Sums this sort of thing up perfectly.

Well, the problem with most of these conspiracy theories starts even way before we need to ponder _how_ they do it. I mean, _why_ would they do it? What's the incentive? You don't go through all of this effort to pull the wool over the entire populace's eyes if you don't stand to gain from it. So what do "they" have to gain from this supposed lie? The entire premise that so many people would cooperate to make this "lie" look real makes no sense whatsoever.

@@EvenTheDogAgrees It's normally something to do with denying god.

@@EvenTheDogAgrees It provides a perceived relevancy to otherwise irrelevant people.

Indeed. It would just be simpler faking the ISS by just building a space station and faking it is space....

It would. The air resistance alone would be a nightmare.

Yes it would, plane nerd here the drag would literally crash the plane, there's no way some supersonic or heck even modified airliner like the shuttle carrier would carry all of that. 500 mph+ going forward so 500 mph winds going backward and hitting those solar panels, would just make the plane so slow it would stall and crash or atleast not be able to replicate the ISS'S speed

Suppose for a second that you believe the Earth is flat, and gravity only pulls downwards. Why you'd believe that is anyone's guess. Now, you can build the ISS, but you can't actually make it orbit the Earth, because orbital mechanics are a conspiracy. So the only way the ISS can actually stay above the Earth involves thrusters, aerodynamic lift, or similar processes. At this point, creating a plane with the shape and speed of the ISS is exactly the same challenge as creating the ISS, because they're literally the same thing. There's nothing physically stopping a plane from accomplishing this, at least in straight and level flight. You just make it go really fast and it will generate enough lift to stay airborne. In real life, there's an altitude where that speed is so high you're just orbiting the planet. That's called the Kármán line. But if all the gravity is pointing the same direction, orbit doesn't exist, so you're just flying really fast. If the air is scarcer up there (not sure if flat Earthers actually believe that), you don't even need particularly strong materials, because there's not a lot of heat. Sure, you're hitting the molecules really fast, but you're not hitting very many of them. That's why you have to fly so fast to get lift. So if you make an efficient design, it should be possible to stay airborne a couple hundred miles up with enough speed, if there's enough air, without heating the aircraft enough that it would glow in the dark. The aerodynamics would be tricky while appearing to be a non-aerodynamic shape, but you could plausibly have some kind of clear glass or plastic shell that's aerodynamic, with solar panels inside it. Why you'd do that instead of just leaving them off is a salient question I don't have an answer to. Of course, you can just look at the ISS at the right IR wavelengths to measure its surface temperature, which, with sufficient camera resolution (that's really expensive for these kinds of cameras) would show that the solar panels are not actually surrounded by any kind of clear material, since that would easily show up against the 2K background of space if it had enough friction to generate lift. You can build a telescope so you don't need super-high resolution, then use a $1000 hunting thermal imager, but your telescope has to have active cooling, and refract the correct wavelengths, to get a clean image. I haven't looked recently, but I doubt it's cheap. There's also the problem of changing directions. It's conceivable something could get to that speed, but the amount of acceleration required to do the proposed "orbital" loops would need crazy amounts of constant power that would be visible from Mars. Maybe; I didn't actually do the math. But it would definitely be hard to hide what's essentially a rocket trail from being easily visible with any thermal imaging device.

Whoever actually told David Weiss about the planes faking the ISS (if indeed anyone did) was clearly having a great time winding the giant key in his back.

Far more likely that the "NASA employee" was actually an accountant or a delivery driver or a full-time student- really, just about anyone can walk up to a flat earth RU-vidr and so long as you keep a straight face they'll take everything you say seriously.

@@pretzelbomb6105 Unless you're telling them that they're wrong.

Wizard's First Rule: People are easy to lie to. Just tell them something they already think is true, or something they're afraid is true.

so they'll believe anything a NASA "employee" tells them if it lines up with their preconceived notions, yet regard NASA employees as completely untrustworthy regarding literally anything else? definitely not gullible or anything.

​@@AsmodeusMictianthat sounds like it would be a Discworld quote but I don't recognise it.

Gotta lie to flerf......

@@richardvine5915or that; for clout! It’s the same ridiculous blind following of authority, when they like, what these people are saying; like those hyper trained, giga smart, all 100% always reliable and trustworthy cant-tell-wrong human-machines that are fighter pilots or military personnel, when it’s something about “aliens” or “UFOs”…

Or just a plain “I made it the f up” sort of guy. There’s quite a bunch of videos on yt showing, what the standards for verification are for these great “intellectuals and academics” in the flat earth community! You can literally write them “I work for gov, earth is flat; all a huge hoax” and they will believe it and quote you - only thing you gotta remember is to use a lot of complicated-sounding jargon and a very authority laden ductus.

I'm pretty sure FE Dave was actually talking to himself. Perhaps one of him wore a hat, or glasses, or something so FED could keep track of which him was talking when.

Or just doesn’t exist at all. He’s just cribbing from the playbook of Bill Kaysing. Using something called a proof surrogate. Basically it’s combining an appeal to authority without actually providing a source. It basically lets you claim anything that you want and then pretend it has validity. It also plays right into the conspiracy mindset to push them to accept it as I’m protecting my source from ‘them’ so that his type just buy it without question.

Devil worshippers always find money to stir the flock from the righteous path 😅

How much petrol products it would consume 😂 and cost of them 😂

​@@AdemOmerovicBANot everyone cares about your false religion.

@@kuuno2probably as much as some wars so far

Nowadays, Nasa can't get money to even to fly the REAL ISS.

Or: _I believe ANYTHING that ANYONE tells me."_ 😋

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman "...as long as it confirms my existing conspiracy theories."

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman - "Or: I believe ANYTHING that ANYONE tells me." Except a science teacher.

or maybe the nasa whistleblower trolled him

@@cinzia2504 They were really cruel XD

Forget the old Concorde trick of eating breakfast in London and then flying to New York in time for breakfast - with that plane you could start eating breakfast in London and be in New York before you finish 🤣

They have more then 1 plane silly.

​@@DaveMcKeegan>>> Do you realize how much *MONEY* could be made from a _commercial aircraft_ with that capability??!!

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman That would depend heavily, mostly on the upkeep. In the case of the Concorde itself it was shut down because it wasn't profitable, in fact it only ever lost money afaik. It was just too expensive for most people to take over a normal airline and the upkeep on the plane itself wasn't cheap. So even if you had a plane that could go from Sydney to New York in ten minutes if it was fueled by weapons grade plutonium rods that cost 4 billion dollars per trip, it'd be nearly impossible to make money from it, just as an exaggerated example.

@@wally7856A sort of relay race? But how does having 10 planes going round the earth increase the speed 10 times? Drrrr

They are like kids who will come up with a different excuse when the one they presented did not work, and when that one doesnt work they will come up with a new one, and so on...

If their standard of evidence for a flat earth were even a tenth as stringent as their standard of evidence for the globe, none of them would be flerfs.

Interesting how one side uses science and the other side uses, errr, something...

Yup. I've had flerfs "debunk" gravity, because "has anyone discovered the graviton?" Then they say that buoyancy just is, no need to explain how or why it works. It just is. Nevermind you need g to explain it.

What's crazy is you can see the iss with your own eyes and can take pictures of it if you have the right equipment. Then these guys will say "NASA put something in the camera lens " 😂

Flat Earthers will believe ANYTHING fed to them which agrees with their delusion. Confirmation bias is all they have.

Yeah, I would have said he's straight up lying about the whistleblower. But then I remembered the magic of trolls.

@@nightmareTomek When flat Earthers make definitive statements they are easy meat... I had one tell me once that mathematics was fake and he had a degree in mathematics as proof of his "credentials". When asked how he passed his exams he said he just rote memorized the formulas and gave the answers the examiners wanted. There was silence when he was informed that that isn't how mathematics works and that you cannot go through a degree course without understanding the subject. Another flat Earther tried to tell me that the Sun was small in the morning and evening but larger at noon when it was overhead. When I informed him that I had a telescope with a solar filter and the Sun did NOT change size throughout the day, he "countered" by saying he too had a telescope with a solar filter (he had never heard of a solar filter prior to my mentioning it) and that the Sun DID change size. I then informed him that god didn't like liars (he was a religiot) because he was doing the work of satan and that he would be damned for all time... he went absolutely psycho, doubled down, and evntually went quiet when he realised he was trapped in a dilemma of his own making.

😂🤣😆

@@nightmareTomekhe almost certainly is lying.

As someone who’s spent a lot of time trying to figure out *how* flerths happen, they believe that air, air moisture, and just about any science term you can think of bends light to appear as if you’re on a globe

​@tacticallemon7518 Yeah, it's as if their entire flat Earth has conspired against them! 😂

Stop using logic, no flerfer will understand such concepts as “horizon”

@@tacticallemon7518which is an explanation infinitely more convoluted than just accepting that the earth is round

@@homiej8163 i’ve heard one say “you don’t call it the curvision” as a way to prove it’s flat

It's because Tehran believes the NASA propaganda too. :)

I remember the first time I saw the ISS flyover head... it was about a decade ago, and I deliberately researched what time it would pass over. I've always been into space stuff, but thought it was odd I'd never looked for it. Anyway, it was a humbling experience, it was of course totally silent, but there was something magical about it. I feel bad (almost) for flat earthers that can't experience truth - because the truth is so fantastic.

Afraid they won´t mind. :D At best, they´ll claim Iran doesn´t exist. Just another US conspiracy to burn money. Anyway, cheers for the comment, made my day.

Because they're in on it. Iran's conflict with the US is nothing more than theater designed to make you believe exactly this. You have no idea how far this conspiracy goes. I envy your blissful ignorance. /s

There is no point in trying to argue with them, they'll just say that Iran is secretly in on the conspiracy. They literally claim that despite there never having been one single thing we have been able to get every single country to agree on, apparently they all agree to perpetuate flat earth and spend trillions of dollars keeping up the charade. You can never convince one no matter what because they see anyone arguing against their beliefs as persecution which they see as proof that they're right. It's a cult.

That's not an argument that will ever convince them though. It's only harder to do if the earth is round, and therefore, things such as "orbits" exist. Flat Earthers believe the opposite. To them, "launching modules into orbit" is impossible, as there is no such thing as an orbit to launch modules into. In our world view, their explanation is orders of magnitude harder to pull off than ours. But since they believe our explanation to be literally impossible. Well, "incredibly elaborate" is still trivial compared to "literally impossible".

Having tried to get people to coordinate... their explanation is even more impossible😂

Paying attention to 3rd-grade study of the solar system can solve this particular problem.

@@glennpearson9348Absolutely! I never took high school (or college, for that matter) physics. A little basic logic & critical thought can go a long way towards understanding relatively complex topics. The really complex ones I just have to pretend that I understand, though I’m not sure anyone truly grasps particle physics all that well, even particle physicists🤣

High school physics is an elective. They were probably majoring in keggers, so it wasn't required.

Yep, guys like David Weiss were the same kids in school that kept asking "Why do we have to learn this?" and saying "We'll never use this!".

@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 When it comes to particle physics, I just nod my head and say "Schroedinger's Cat" every once in a while...

Exactly!

Yes, this! As long as idle viewers of flerfery don't learn it's been refuted, there's the possibility that they'll believe it.

Well they dont understand Newtons laws of motion either so basic physics is a struggle for them. "Rockets cant work in a vacuum because theres nothing to push against" etc.

We can't see the ISS when it's cloudy though

@@kkobayashi1 what a brilliant observation. Radar can though.

@@MattH-wg7ou Do radars actually track the ISS? Primary radar or secondary? Which ones?

Or the fact the iss has ham radio,and talks often to radio operators on the earth,i too recorded the iss talking to the schools several times.

Hey, I had an alleged surveyor trying to tell me that GPS satellites are held up by helium balloons, just blowing around in the wind... which is how positioning is so precise.

Not even rockets fly that fast inside the atmoSPHERE!😂

How did he explain its speed and accurate position

@@christasimon9716 I had a guy denying that GPS stands for GLOBAL Positioning System. He claimed it was GROUND based Positioning System. 😂

and then to think that we all are related...Tsssss, where did GOD went wrong? HUGELY WRONG!

That is a good point. I believe their failure to understand scale and measurement is directly linked to their lack of education in math and physics. It only takes a basic high school education to figure out mathematically the earth is not flat

@@TexasProSIMit is hard/impossible to imagine; they cannot for the love of them use logics and analytics; it has got to be “visualized”, which is also a problem I noticed being very prevalent in education/school! Works on the small frame, too: Tell them your average virus is “smaller than light” (wavelength of visual light) and they will look at you utterly bedazzled.

Do not underestiate Flat Earther Society. It has members from around the globe 🙂

I'm convinced true beleiver Flat Earthers all suffer from some form of aphantasia.

@@TexasProSIM And yet, there are "prominent" flat earthers who apparently really have a math/science background. Really weird. I remember back in university there was this guy who was active on IRC, and also did the traditional "soapbox on a market square" thing on occasion, who believed all sorts of conspiracy theories. One of them being that the moon landing was fake, since the entire space program was impossible. He even had an elaborate mathematical "proof" that this _had_ to be the case, since nothing could ever reach orbital speeds, let alone escape Earth's gravity. Of course, the argument was pure nonsense, as it was based on the unspoken assumption that we "shoot" the rocket into orbit, rather than pushing it there with sustained thrust. His analogies revolved around kicking soccer balls, or firing cannons. He did, however, have a solid grasp of the trajectories of objects launched at an angle, and could demonstrate that given the known maximum velocities achieved at sea level, the required starting speed would exceed those by a wide margin. His mathematical prowess was by no means impressive. It's literally taught in high school. But it was weird to see someone who believes in such nonsense, and yet was not mathematically illiterate.

overhead is one word.

@@dougadams9419 The first word of a sentence is supposed to be capitalized.

I mean, it is pretty absurd to follow flat earth believers on youtube

@@CreativeName574 Agreed. It is sort of interesting to see where there (il)logic leads them, but it quickly gets really old.

Doesn't anyone gave anything better to do than trying to see glorified satellites at night?

Your "NASA whistleblower" is pulling your leg.

To be fair I thought that flat earther always thought NASA did have the correct working model of flat earth and are dedicated to hiding that from everyone else…for some reason

Dave is a pro photographer, he would know about lenses and stuff....

The reason I always gone back for these videos is because for me it's not a flat earth debunk video as much as it's a optics/physics etc educational video with a flat earth concept as the catalyst for the conversation. It's really fun honestly to just try a goofy idea out and just run with it! It makes me want to come up with a flat earth model just to see what we can learn from debunking it.

@@LarsKuhlmannCourtwright "it's not a flat earth debunk video as much as it's a optics/physics etc educational video" Your sentence reminded me that this is like one of those "before" and "after" comparisons. "Before" is the flat Earth, the process being used on the customer is called Scienceopticsmathslogic and the "After" is a spherical Earth.

I hope he did not damage his sensor photographing the sun!

Good point. It is something that I struggle with watching FTFE or even Professor Dave during debates. The tone is too toxic for my taste.

I love to point them to the photos of the Chinese balloon that floated over the USA a couple of years ago and the path it took, then point out all the differences and watch them squirm.

The fact that he is respectful is so important - I've been helping pull people back from this insanity with his videos. I agree - best flat earth debunker on youtube by far!

I'm just here for the dog. The flat earth busting content is a bonus.

Very true comment

Quite the opposite of SciManDan who is as arrogant as the ones he's critizising for being ignorant and arrogant. lol

I agree, insulting gets you nowhere. Life isn't hollywood, you can't expect people to have epiphanies while being insulted and talked down to. People don't respond well to insults against them or their group, they ignore you or go against you regardless of whether they are armed with facts or barehanded. People would do good to remember this in everyday life as well.

Gotta spend money to make money

Quite right. Look up the 'Berlin Airlift" program. A monumental effort at the beginning of the cold war to keep West Berlin supplied. Yet this flerf thinks something that is orders of magnitude larger and more difficult is just some government conspracy program.

​​@@cygnustsp hope this isnt you agreeing with the ISS being fake...

If they had even JUST the choreography, there would be at least an agreed-upon model of flat earth amongst flat earth. It still wouldn’t be correct or usable but at least they would agree to it 😂

@@imdfox1774 hard crust pizza model for the win!

@@BondiAV Just like how they think photos taken that show lens abberations like "sundogs" prove the flat earth, even though you can't see them with your eyes. Somehow the illuminati allows cameras that show the "truth" to be manufactured. Makes perfect sense.

​@@BondiAVThe P1000 and P900

Anyone with a P1000 is now suspect of being a flerf.

come to think of it, indeed they do. Good catch.

@@BondiAV All it takes is a flick of a switch and a twist of the focussing ring of a P1000 and the flat Earther dies...

That's because they empty the chemtrail tanks for ISS spoof missions. As soon as they're done, they're back on chemtrail duty. 😂

add all the satellites and it would be a nightmare to maintain.

🎣

It's definitely flat. what is it, something like 70% of the earth is covered in water and in all of human history less than 0.0000001% of it has ever been carbonated. Flat AF earth confirmed.

If you want to get a rough estimate on how flat it is, divide 8 inches by 1 mile: 0.000126 That means over a mile, it's 99.99% flat. 😆

The Earth is flat in FOUR dimensions, but gloriously spherical in three.

None of it.

@@C_Becker ?

The goal posts move about as fast as the fake airplanes that disguise the ISS's existence

It’s wild that it’s easier to believe that for *millennia* some world-wide inter-government organization has had to have lied about the earth in *hundreds* of ways that perfectly align with each-other than it is for them to accept the earth isn’t flat almost like they’re working backwards from a conclusion

It’s gone over me twice and I’ve spotted it. There and out in just 10 minutes

When Shuttle was still flying and on a separate orbit than ISS it was cool when they appeared overhead minutes apart. That also happened when the Mir space station was still on orbit. Have yet to observe the Chinese station. Either cloudy/fog or passing overhead in daylight.

Alright, we ruled out "plane". So that leaves only two possibilities. Did you happen to see if it was wearing a cape, by any chance? 🤣

@@EvenTheDogAgrees "Alright, we ruled out "plane"." It's a bird!

Yea, but the binocular may be part of the conspiracy, so they don't trust them either. LOL. By the way, if one has two pairs of binocular, then they are binoculars. The word is already plural: bin-ocular: two oculars. Even prominent dictionaries enter the incorrect spelling for this term in the singular.

I'd also like to know how they can project dark onto the Sun... 🤔

Projection onto what? Firmament?

True

It’s be fine. They helped start the ruse back in ‘98 ;) Anything else is a no-no, tho…

They literally used to do that (less often tho) and every once in a while one would get shot down

America and China and Russia and N Korea and Japan and Germany and France and Iran and Brazil and South Africa and Israel and Egypt and (keep list going) are all in it together. So no problem with fake ISS flying over any given country.

the ISS is like 50% body and 50% solar panels and some radiators

Duh! 😂😂😂

My favourite part was when he claimed the ISS was as bright as the sun, and none of the crew thought to stop him and tell him he's talking complete bollocks. Just shows the flerf inability to 'logic'.

DIRT isn't insane. he's a conman.

The ones that can don't understand how to focus it.

A telescope is not required to see ISS. I have seen it many times with just my eyes. Once, I even saw it shortly after a shuttle had undocked, and the two objects tracked across the sky together.

But that will reveal the truth for the flatties.

@@craigcorson3036 They require it... they are clearly blind af lol

Hey neither can I but I'm not a dumbass on top of being poor

I have a foolproof idea for a bank heist. First, get a job at a bank. Doesn't matter what position. Do the work, gain their trust until you have them all fooled. Now the beauty of it is that the bank will deposit money into YOUR bank accounts... week after week, month after month. And then 20 to 30 years, you walk out the door... like nothing... ever... happened.

@@quecee Key and Peele, smartest bank robbers ever.

and soyuz rockets and some others, it´s almost like that´s exactly how it happened

Many of which weren't even launched by NASA (the space shuttle was out of commission for much of the construction of the ISS). That's what gets me about these US centric morons. The ISS is an INTERNATIONAL effort, not simply a NASA project

I dunno man this sounds like a conspiracy. /s

well no, it would destroy my eyes if i did.

Rule #3, lean into your crappy camera like a 4th grade bully, trying to intimidate your opponent

Ad utterly kooky as the idea of a plane circumnavigating earth 16 times a day, 24/7/365 is, that claim is STILL infinitely more evidence-based, than the 100% evidence-free belief that "transwomen ARE women (in whatever mystical, undefinable sense of the word)", which is (somehow?) taken as rational justification to chemically stunt the 100% healthy growth of children, as young as 9 (with exactly ZERO empirical evidence of ANY medical issue, at all). Flat earthers are morons... but at least THEY don't use THEIR weird evidence-free fantasies, as justification to irreversably mutilate unconsenting children, in perfect physical health... (Or to put fully-intact, male, convicted raapists in women's prison, locked in an 8x14ft cell with a biological woman, 18 hours a day... Or to allow men in women's sports... Or allow men in the women's changerooms where 6yo girls undress... )

I only recently found out that Einstein was a real person. I always thought he was a theoretical physicist...

@@chrisantoniou4366 not bad 😀

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Which contrary to U-2, was pretty much the worst glider ever

There's actually 2! The other chases dreams!!!

He actually teaches some cool bits of science through this interesting lens. I'm quite done with the conspiracy nuts, but still love his videos for the real-world applications of science and observation.

youtube is sending him big fat checks every month, pretty sure that will keep him motivated :)

@@dennisradoor yeee but he could be getting check for doing something else

In all honesty, I don't think it matters. If a few dumb people want to believe the moon is green cheese, I really don't mind. It's the ones who believe the world is controlled by an invisible man who lives in the sky that worry me.

If you are thinking of who I think you are, you left out Pantomime and Demonstrably 😂

The work that he does is aimed not at ineducable flattards but at normal people, many of whom welcome the additional knowledge. His respectful demeanor is skin deep when it comes to moronic deniers.

Nice jab at Sciman Dan there...

@@serriusgaming8468 I wasn't naming names. I like SciMan Dan. He's fun to watch. But a lot of the time I feel like he's not actually debunking the flat earthers; he's merely mocking them.

@@blakewalker84120 Which is what they deserve!

FE Dave is a grifter and he knows his followers will eat up any "whistle blower" stories without thinking or verifying them. He doesnt care that normal people can see through his bullshit because they are not his target audience.

Some of us know your friend is adopted… 😂

Your dad works for Nintendo? Cool! 👍

But..but son! I *do* work for nintendo!

@@AniMageNeBy Take me to your work and prove it! 😂😂😂

@@BondiAV you don't need to understand radio wave propagation beyond the horizon. Vhf/uhf frequencies don't do that (for the most part). That makes it simpler and irrefutable.

They just don't do justice for crediting supersonic balloons to this day.

Ah yes, the one and only criteria for identifying a Poe: Them literally saying it in clear, unambiguous text. Because no amount of "no one could POSSIBLY think or say that" is ever enough to overcome actual, real people and their actual, real, mind-shattering claims.

This is what I've always been using as a defense against airplane and map-based arguments, I've yet to see an FE debunker address it

@@Truth_Apologetics While not a definitive debunk of the idea by any means, you very quickly run into problems with claims like these because of how much power they grant to the organization engaging in the conspiracy. If you were to take even a conservative estimate of the money required to pull off everything they do, from the fake planes and/or balloons, to the wages (or bribery) of the people working on keeping the charade up, and the sheer NUMBER of people who are in a position to uncover the conspiracy, who necessarily have to be knowingly hiding it themselves (which means more bribes), the cash needed skyrockets several orders of magnitude higher than the amount they actually make by running this scam. And if it's draining that much money, they'd simply stop, because we're talking about the kinds of people who'd do anything for money to begin with. It also causes a strange discrepancy with how much control they have, and how well they can keep quiet the thousands if not millions of people who are on it, compared to how easy it is for any old youtube channel to post videos saying "hey, the globe is a hoax and here's why", and not in turn be silenced in minutes by this seemingly all-encompassing, desperate-for-control conspiracy. It's either weak enough to allow random people to speak out, and thus too weak to have gotten to where it is today, or it's strong enough to accomplish all of this manipulation, and yet somehow isn't strong enough to deal with a youtuber posting in their spare time. It kinda doesn't work no matter how you slice it, but it DOES make sense if it was never actually a hoax at all, and the Earth really is spherical. Then all the data points fit again, and there are no more logical contradictions or absurdities.

You joke man, but I know someone who believes exactly that. amongst other lunacy...

It plays into the conspirisist mindset. Only I know the real truth so it would only be me who they would come to. It’s why the use of the proof surrogate is so insidious.

yeah aka religious belief.

NASA is a movie studio. People doing their small jobs for a nice paycheck

I bet "THEY" also faked the moon landing by landing on the moon. Those evil NASA scientists are very crafty.

Well several

So you believe the official narrative?

@@richardtibbetts574 A person would have to be really stupid not to. Like flat earthers.

@@richardtibbetts574 Those aren't the only options. You can believe that the government lies (a lot) and not that thousands of people are faking death/mourning, injury, and illness. That's the kind of black and white thinking that probably started most flat earther's in their direction. My personal conjecture? (Not a theory - a theory needs to have survived credible tests.) I think some in the Bush cabinet knew an attack on the tower was planned (maybe even leaked that info to friends), but that no one expected the tower to actually collapse from the fire. (No one in government nor the terrorists.) I may be right, or wrong. I don't really care. But that's just an example of the kind of conclusion you can reach when you have a healthy distrust of politicians but also grounding in reality.

​@@richardtibbetts574and as if by magic, one appears 🙄

Still quite common sadly.

The only reason they care anything about that family of cameras is that it has a large zoom value they can quote. They know nothing about cameras and a camera like the P-900 is the only thing they can use seeing it does everything for them.

so.. the iss is a teddy bear with laser eyes? Highly doubt that bud.. XD

Their "argument" was never NEAR the water. Who TF is *really* that ignorant?

How about, just don't. Give it a fee years. We don't need another loud mouth who was recently a flat earther trying to debunk flat earthers. Do you understand how unhealthy that is? Do you realize that only hurts and does not help? Just don't do it. Give it a few years to get out of the conspiracist mindset and then see how you can help. We don't need last week's sinner preaching this week's gospel. It rarely ends well.

I recently found a cool channel called Corrridor Crew who are a team of VFX artists who look at movies etc and try to figure out how it was done.They looked at the moon-landing footage and by the end determined it would be easier to just go to the moon than fake it.Very revealing....and they really looked closely at the footagehave some great insights!Cheers!

That would imply flerfers are really good at conveying information. In my experience they say a lot of things, but can never back up any of it. And they can't even agree with one another.

@@SuperPickle15 Not necessarily true. You may be watching fake flat earthers. A guy named Whitsit does debates with people, even real "scientists" with PHD's in their fields and stumps them, but the ISS videos are pretty damning to me that they are rotating in 0g around a what appears to be globe.

@@SuperPickle15Flat earth is an appeal to emotion. It’s not a logical choice that people make. In fact the majority of decisions made by people about anything are based on emotion more so than logic. Flat earth and conspiracies in general appeal to people because it makes you feel like you are part of something bigger. Conspiracies often give people a clear “evil” or target that you can blame a variety of problems on. And often times they also make the person feel special in a sense like they are part of a small group that knows the truth. For some it makes them feel like they are superior and smarter than everyone else and for some it makes them feel like they need to save other people by sharing the truth with them. Conspiracy theories are pretty insidious to be honest and virtually everyone can be susceptible given they are exposed to the right conspiracy under the right circumstances. The only thing that really separates a conspiracy from any other belief is its real world validity.

The sad thing is that you're absolutely truth

Exactly...those people use emotional arguements.

When a flatearthers says: "As far as I can see the earth is flat." he's absolutely right.

He’s using what is called a proof surrogate. It’s a way to lie while pretending to has an appeal to authority. The ‘whistleblower’ most likely never existed.

Dude if I ever get a job at an actual aerospace company/organization like NASA or SpaceX (which I’m currently studying to do) I am so going to do that if they let me

Ngl its probably just another guy in with a nasa beanie. The nasa whistleblower crap is the boomer equivalent of "my dad works for nintendo"

FED is a lying moron

Frankly, he’s so full of himself that he thinks a ‘NASA whistleblower’ would only go to him and no one else. Not to the New York Times or the Washington Post but to him. Frankly, I think it’s just a story he made up and now he can pretend it has authority behind it. A proof surrogate is simply the easiest way to lie.

Yup. "Explaining" one thing at a time regardless of contradictions is the hallmark of conspiracies. Creationists do that too.