I live in centennial park it is the weirdest place now you have all forms of believers now living in what is essentially a large compound it is a really nice and peaceful place to live. I lived in the FLDS during Rulon times and left the church at 16.
@@China-Clay not sure of the actual numbers. The problem is you have different degrees of affiliation now, They still allow members who don't "believe" like they do or practice specifically to what Joseph smith taught, To come to church but they're seemingly different subgroups now you have your hardcore believers some just barely hanging on and actually a few atheists just like me.
@@China-Clay My favorite book The speed of trust by Stephen M.R. Covey says it best. Even people that you admire that you trust and have been there your whole life some of the information that they tell you is wrong, But because of that trust we go our lives believing falsehoods. The Internet is a powerful tool in combating this.
If you sponsor/bring a freshly escaped polygamist for your cruise, like you mentioned, I hope you can also sponsor a mental health counselor to come aboard as well. If they haven't been out long, the new lifestyle and the things the may see on the boat may be shocking to them. People in bikinis and people drinking alcohol, and overall decadance on the ship may leave them feeling shocked and conflicted. I'm sure they'll be happy and amazed and excited, but maybe also guilty and shame at the same time. If you're gonna sponsor an ex-polygamist, i hope you'll also bring a counselor to support them as well.
Thank you Sam for talking about growing up in constant FEAR that comes from going to "church" every week. I was raised Pentecostal, and grew up in constant fear of demons, the end of times, going to hell, and evil satanic things being all around me. I was told in explicit detail what hell would be like, from a very young age. Growing up in constant fear of eternal torture is not a good way to grow up. Thank you for discussing this!
So excited for this one! I watched this show quite a long time ago, and it really got me thinking about high control type groups as there seemed to be both so many good things but also so many potential concerns.
Some mainstream Christian traditions call their buildings a "meetinghouse" because they want to emphasize that the "church" is the people not the building. Buildings are considered more functional than particularly sacred. They're trying to distinguish themselves from other traditions that consider the physical church buildings to be specially consecrated holy places.
Mainstream Christian here. I would say we talk about our old selves dying (a spiritual death) when we become believers, accepting Christ as our Savior, and a physical death at the end of life.
So very pleased we are being shown this series. I really enjoyed the series 1st time & cannot wait to watch again with your input & observations. Love & peace from Australia ❤
I admire you so much for viewing these shows that are so triggering. I left a cult 2 years ago and I can't bear to hear any of the leaders speak. Its too traumatic. The fear you describe is so real!
Re: meeting house. The small town I grew up on Long Island New York had a street called Meetinghouse lane that went from the earliest settlement (1640’s) to the main part of the current town. I always assumed that the church of the original settlement was on that street.
You guys, my parents were visiting and I haven't had a chance to watch your channel. I have a fresh bowl of popcorn and I'm going to do a marathon to catch up! Thank you so much for your channel. You are doing really important work and I just wanted to thank you for everything you do on your channel (and off the channel).
I have a Christian sister who told me so many things when I was a child. She absolutely terrified me and messed with my life and now tells me to just get over it and stop blaming her.
Just FYI in this show they change their last names. I looked them all up once and found out their real last names but Arthur’s last name is not Hammond.
Sam and Melissa on the uncle, an acting thing. I remember my mom telling me that back. In the days when polygamy went into hiding, they would call the women. Ants and the man uncles, so the kids would not tell on who their father or mother was. (When they went in public] by accident
I was raised in a very strict church that did a lot of fear mongering - pounding on the Bible and yelling through a microphone. I spent most of my life not knowing the love of God, but only the fear of His wrath. It messed with me psychologically then and still does. The places that were labeled as dangerous ranged from person to person, but could range from movie theatres, casinos, and anywhere with dancing or alcohol. It's still hard to not have those thoughts creep in when I am exposed to those things (which I do not believe are inherently evil).
Interesting. I remember watching this documentary series years ago when it aired. I thought it was neat that the women were the ones who seemed to be initiating the marriages, because that was unusual. Thanks for putting in the history of when this group split off and who the families were, I didn't know that aspect of it. I was curious to know Sam's perspective because they're so geographically close to the FLDS. Also, I'm glad you explained a bit more about giving talks. This really isn't a thing in liturgical Christianity. I've heard Mormons and ex-Mormons talk about it, but wasn't really sure what it was. I think it's really normal to have fear or other feelings come up when you've been through something like that.
Guys, Alyssa Grenfell has a video about rules on a mission. It's like an hour-long video. She has a book; you should read it and review it. I'm eventually going to read it. My friend's dad was our Bishop in the Institute. I still call him Bishop. He gave me the best calling, the program maker. But I could never get a hold of the chorister. I didn't know what the hymns were, so I just picked a few. I call women in leadership positions, Ms. (their first name) out of respect. They call it a bulletin, right? My grandma had a Catholic funeral. I was Lutheran for 2 years.
I grew up in Latin America and in most of the countries I lived in, it was a way of showing respect when you addressed adults. Tio and Tia is what my close friends called my parents.
I’m Catholic and I’ve never heard of a second death. Catholics do teach that when you die your soul goes to purgatory to before going to heaven, but there is only 1 death.
I thought the no baby at church thing was a bit off, someone has to stay home to watch them, I would love to see a few of the members of CP come on your show
In Polygamy USA, the missionaries were doing garbage collection. How did they handle garbage collection in your town? Was it part of what the Trust was responsible for because it owned the land?
The Uncle thing is interesting to me. I grew up evangelical christian and went to a methodist summer camp as a teen and we called all of the camp counselors Aunt and Uncle as a term of respect (and the college aged 'post-high' campers were Cousin). It's interesting to me that that relational term is one that seems to go between various groups.
Lol that sounds so funny to me. The whole respect thing is easier in German. Here we still have informal vs. formal address: Duzen vs Siezen. You would use formal with all strangers older than you, people of authority and elders. In general anyone older you are not on first name basis. Also in professional settings. And then there is informal address with peers, friends and family. It’s the same as in French between tutoyer and vouvoyer.
@@pamelavargas6811 Honestly, I think it was a my camp specific thing, tbh. It a UM camp in PA and the specific camp week I went to had been around for like 50 or 60 some odd years when I started going to it, and our camp dean (leader of the week) had been there every year because his parents were the ones that started it, so we got a lot of old hold-over traditions that the other weeks even at the same site didn't have.
Sam, I wonder if the fear you felt watching them call on people to speak might be partly social anxiety? I am LDS and have been in meetings a couple of times where they have called on people in the congregation to speak, without notice. That gives me a lot if anxiety to think that I might be called on to speak, without any warning. It is hard enough to get up in front of everyone when you have time to prepare what you are going to say. But I am just thinking about it from my experience. I can also see that you would feel fear if it reminded you of fear inducing sermons. Thank you for your videos! I love to see your perspectives. And I appreciate the respect you give to people who are in the FLDS and LDS groups. You both are wonderful and so kind to everyone.
I grew up Christian and definitely not heard of multiple deaths in the sense that you are talking about. Sometimes. When people get baptised they call it “born again”.
We're driving through Sugarcreek on the way up. The cruise would be fun. Can't go through. I would have needed a service mission. If I served a regular mission, I would have been way too dependent on my companion. I hate driving, and have a horrible sense of direction. (I developed a mental illness anyways.)
I have been waiting for this! Have you guys done a review on the docuseries on peacock called Preaching Evil:Wife on the run? I might of missed it. I was so conflicted after watching it so I need to listen to someone else’s opinion! 😂
Missouri Synod Lutheran here, we believe - you only die once, we believe in one heaven and there is only true God (aka the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit)
I'm wondering if you guys have ever been in contact with Calvin Wayman. He was born in Centennial Park and lived the lifestyle for more than two decades before leaving. I think he mentioned somewhere he was probably related to Sam. Would be interesting to have his point of view on this show.
As Christians we speak of 2 births - physical and spiritual. We only believe in physical death as all people have an eternal life - either with God or without Him. Interesting that the LDS focuses on death instead of birth.
The Catholic Church changed the color the priest wears for a funeral Mass (church service) in the 70's. It had been always black but now the priestly vestments can be white, purple, or black. Where I go to church in Maryland they usually wear white. But the rest of the congregation is usually in black and dressed formally, like business formal.
Absolutely love what you are doing , Just recently discovered your podcast. Love the mission you do. Just curious as to where your belief system is at now ?
In Black communities, we refer to people that are a little older and well-respected as “uncle” and “auntie”, even celebrities: auntie Oprah, auntie Maya (Maya Angelou), etc.
We called people that we were close friends with auntie and uncle. Mr. and Mrs. was too formal for a friend but first names were disrespectful. I dont think it had to do with any religion. I suspect more cultural.
I’m thinking it’s meeting house because the entire “body of Christ” isn’t there and the bible has teachings referring to “the church” being the entire body
I'm an athiest that grew up as a Christian. Indeed, I'm still interested in early Christian history. That being said, I've always found Mormonism to be batshit crazy.
In this show they talk about the split with the FLDS, do you know any of the people in the show or their families? I want to know if Rosemary got married 😀
I might get to see the Kirtland Temple on Saturday (my dad and I). My dad never converted, thankfully. Should still be good to see. I'm in central OH, and we're staying near Akron. Kirtland is like a 45-minute drive from Akron. I also want to see "Inside Out 2". I watched the first one last night, and it was really good. It's on Disney+. I'm practically packed.
So I guess some religions do not believe in cremation? And I never thought of wearing white to a funeral. I was raised baptist but also went to nondenominational churches. I’m interested in learning about different religions. I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost but maybe in a different way than other people. But I feel that God is a loving spirit and I don’t think he would hate anyone, especially because they were different. ❤🙏🏼
I've watched some of your videos and you guys seem to be totally polarized on the idea polygamy because of the church grew up in and the environment, when in reality your experiences have very little to do with the polygamy, it's more to do with the church and in essence what you have done is thrown the baby out with the bath water. Polygamy is not the problem here it's the interpretation and the application of it in some instances, there are many women thriving in Modern day polygamous families would never dream of monogamy as the preferable option many of these women are not doing it for any reason connected to religion, they're doing it for practical reasons including the emotional love and support of the co wives and so there are many reasons why polygamy can be very beneficial to all involved the only thing that matters is the application and the pure intentions of all concerned. Polygamy is simply a relationship structure like any other monogamy has many of the same problems but none of the Solutions polygamy can offer.
