Floyd Patterson vs Jimmy Ellis. Sep. 14, 1968. Solna Fotbollsstadum, Stockholm, Sweden. Флойд Паттерсон против Джимми Эллиса, 14 сентября 1968 г., поражение Паттерсона (PTS)
Patterson was a clear winner here, despite Ellis putting on a good show. Two of my favourite boxers . Had Floyd got the decision he may well have suffered a similar fate had he met Joe Frazier, although I suspect he may have lasted longer and troubled Frazier. Sadly both Patterson and Ellis contracted dementia later in life. We watch boxing, and dont always appreciate what it does to good people.
Floyd was cheated out of the decision on a few occasions The Jerry Quarry come to mind. He was definitely cheated on this one. A very underrated fighter and sadly remembered for his two fights with Liston.
Patterson was truly a great fighter. He's always been a bit underrated, but he is an absolute joy to watch in the ring. Constantly moving, boxing smart, and swarming when appropriate. He ran a clinic on Ellis. When Patterson threw his haymakers you can even see shades of Tyson in the way he "spring loaded" his shots. Incredible.
Talmadge33 I don’t think he was “underrated” I’m not sure what that means, but he was undersized. It’s too bad there wasn’t a cruiserweight division in his time, that’s where he should have fought.
Patterson was an excellent fighter. Would've been interesting to see a Marciano/Patterson fight. Similar in size. I think the rock would probably take it due to more power and better chin. The 2 fights against Liston tarnished Floyds rep, unfairly in my opinion. Liston could've beaten Godzilla at that stage of his career.
Several viewers of the video said Patterson won this fight and I remember one of my mother's friends,who was a big fight fan during the time, saying the same thing years later.. He said Floyd had fast hands and moved well ,but was small for a heavyweight. A few years later, when I began watching fights myself, I saw Ellis get beaten by Joe Frazier in a championship fight. It was one of the most brutal beatings I've ever seen ! Maybe that is why Floyd wasn't given the decision against Ellis, because Frazier and Ellis represented younger, marketable fighters and Floyd was not. In so many ways, yesteryear is really a mirror of what we see today!
I've watched this at least half a dozen times , through the years. And always felt that Patterson deserved the decision. Ellis had his moments, scoring with his jab and right uppercuts on Floyd. But Patterson staggered Jimmy on several occasions by left hooks and right hands.
Patterson had a rough time in boxing but he had a bigger heart than most of the guys he fought. He accomplished a ton but it's overshadowed by Ali and Frazier and his loss to Liston.
Patterson was cheated! He controlled the entire fight, rocking Ellis like a fist filled hurricane. I consider that decision to be one of the most bogus in all of boxing!
Did you know that he asked his trainer if he was winning in round 13 and his trainer told him he was "way ahead ,don't take any chances".He could have knocked him out.Two years later against Charlie Green his trainer told him he was losing so Floyd knocked him out in the 9th of a 10 rounder. His trainer later said he didn't want history to repeat itself but actually Floyd won almost every round in the Green fight.
The reason Patterson has an underrated legacy is because his two reigns weren't dominant. Same reason Sonny Liston has an underrated legacy. People are very bad at gauging everything boxers did outside of winning belts. The reality is Patterson looked sensational nearly until the very end of his career, despite being much more suited for light heavyweight. The only 2 boxers who truly got the better of him were Liston and Ali, one is a top 10 all-time heavyweight, the other may be the greatest boxer we'll ever see, both were significantly bigger than Patterson. I don't think I'd put him in the top 10 of heavyweight history, but he's close. And that's in a division full of great fighters over the years.
The ref must have been seeing something else or didn't have a good angle when Patterson was obviously hitting him well and constant. Floyd Patterson won the fight and It wasn't that close.
The fact that you can see both fighters breath meant that it had to be 45°F or lower (22°C at least). It was cold enough that Patterson had warm up pants on, pre fight. Fighters were a different breed back then.
I remember watching this live on TV. Fully expected to hear the ring announcer calling it a "unanimous decision" for Floyd. Damn, was I in for a surprise!!!
Good morning this is about the tenth time lve watched this again. Floyd was definitely robbed here.But l do agree it was close .l think Patterson only lost to Maxim Liston and Alli .Yes l think he did beat Quarry both times.
I have the whole fight on a vhs tape with postfight interviews. Cosell asks the referee Valan about the verdict. And he said Patterson was mainly posing and not throwing enough punches. He scored it 9 to 6 for Ellis. I had it the other way around!
Valan was paid $5000 by Dundee. Valan had the nerve enough to come up to Floyd's dinning table years later at a hotel to told him that. Floyd and his wife who was there told me this in person.
Three Bad decisions in a row Quarry1 Quarry2 Ellis. It caused Floyd to 'retire' for 2 years. This fight has been haunting me for all these years. Floyd Should have been given the belt for the third time! Then he could have gotten a Liston rematch instead of Leotis Martin. Liston was ripe for the plucking and Floyd learned from the Chuvalo fight how to fight him. He could have given Quarry a shot but this time at MSG instead of Jerry's backyard. He could have fought Frazier in a unification fight. none of this happened because he was robbed -plain and simple. The ref was the ONLY judge. Refs should not even be judges, they are too busy and too close to the action. You need 3 judges in the first row unobstructed.
It seems that Patrerson, indeed carried Ellis. It was a right cross in the 2nd round that did in Ellis' nose...Ellis is just too upright and stiff from the waist up, an easy target. Outside of a couple combos which staggered Ellis and also cut him in addition, Patterson literally took mercy on him as the bout wore on.
Dundee, though his association with Ali, must have had some political clout with the judges in Sweden. That's the only way I could explain Ellis wining the decision in this fight.
Ellis seems to fight similiar to Ali, without as good of head movement...And dang Patterson was landing some nasty combos to the head. Ellis definetly could recoupe better than most.
Ellis came from the same stable (Angelo Dundee 5th street gym) Reason Floyd did so well is he had been training for 2 years to fight Ali and was ready .
Scored this fight years ago,had it 9/5/1 patterson, (scored the missing round even),disgraceful decision, whether dundee got to harold valvan, ive heard that, either way floyd never held it against him in the coming years, but this was an awful decision, floyd should have been the first three time champion
He may have been robbed but he is a man who has achieved 2 of greatest achievements in the sport of boxing; the youngest man to win Undisputed heavyweight champion title, which still is held today & 1st man to regain World title. So for me he may have lost here via robbery because Ellis team didn’t want judging panel scoring the bout. They took it to Sweden where the referee was the sole scorer.
Angelo Dundee paid Harold Valan the crooked ref.$5000 in advance. Years later, Valan had the nerve to come up to Floyd's table when him and his wife were having dinner at a hotel one night to tell them this. Angelo Dundee was no good. He used to always mess with his fighters gloves to buy them time to recover when they were in troubles. He did that to Ali, Leonard and Pinklon Thomas to name a few.
@@himawalincat9350 u do realize Ali cooper/Ali had 6 extra seconds which he didn't need.. history proved that chin was granite joe frazier Frazier Left hook did way more than pooper//Ali up at 3 hurt Always stayed up
@@active.7universal Ali ,then Clay was younger and lighetr too when he was fighting Cooper. Even Ali himself once admitted that he would have get stopped earlier in first Frazier fight if it took place a few years ealier. He was not as quick, but much more durable after his come back in 1970. In early 1960's Bob Foster knocked Ali/young Clay down with a single left hook in sparring session too. Ali fought Cooper in 1963 which was only an year earlier from he was fighting Liston to win the title. Yet he was not in his prime then. People believe Ali's peak was in mid/late1960's, but I think he was better fighter in early 1970's. He was much more experienced and physically and mentally much more stronger/durable in early 1970's. Henry Cooper had many coins in his pocket when he weighed in for Clay fight to not give Clay extra confidence, but he was really like only 185pounds when he fought Clay/Ali. Ali couldn't physically bully Cooper like the way he did against Bob Foster who weighted 188 for Ali fight in 1972. There's no way Ali in mid 1960's could handle guys like George Foreman. He had lost speed, but he gained more tricks in his bag when he was older besides he was physically much more stronger.
@@himawalincat9350 3 seconds and up from cooper//3 seconds and up from joe frazier in 71 .. Ali said alot like Dunn and coopman were tough bouts or spinks would be future champ / but real boxing heads know what's up...joe frazier wasn't gonna faze Ali mid 60's /way faster same Chin better stamina... I sound like a broken record saying this but once again Ali in 66 vs chuvalo threw over 100 Punches and landed 100 vs chuvalo in ROUND 15.. he was just as durable and hit just as hard if not harder //Ali thought Cleveland Williams would get seriously hurt had the bout went on in late rounds so he knocked him out quick//Ali let chuvalo tee off on his body... round 15 100 punches go watch jump to ROUND 15 and count for yourself... had everything plus more In 66-67
Yeah, it was in no way close. I have a lot of respect for Jimmy Ellis, but he would be my all time boxing hero if he walked up to the mike and said "Ain't no way I won that fight!" They're not going to take it back from him, it won't change what went on his record; but these "political" decisions will plague us all until the boxers, themselves, stand up for the sport. Like I said, they can't take your money, title or change your record so there's nothing to lose but less pride than it takes to stand their and pretend that you've won. Still, Frasier set things aright and Ellis was never again a contender. I have respect for Paterson and Ellis, I just respect Paterson more and that could have been very different, if Ellis (or anyone else for that matter) would stand up to these stupid decisions.
The crooked ref. Halold Valan got $5000 to do so. He was the only judge for this fight and he was paid by Angelo Dandee. Halold Valan had nerve to came to Floyd to tell how much he was paid when Floyd was dinning at a hotel with his wife Janet at a some boxing event years later. Floyd and Janet told me this in person. Floyd told me that he saw Jimmy's recently married young wife(also named Janet) crying at the ringside in the later rounds and that knowing he was winning easily,Floyd did not knock out Jimmy Ellis. Floyd was like that. If the opponent gets cut,he won't hit the area. Floyd Patterson was like an old Japanese Samurai.
Ellis getting the decision gives credence to "follow the money" at that point more high profile bigger gate fights could be made with Ellis. Patterson had more "miles on the tires" than Ellis. But Patterson, I felt won 9 to 6.
They just wanted new blood in boxing. Patterson beat Quarry in the tourney in my opinion but didn't get the decision. I think watching Patterson got a little stale for the fans.
The ref,Harold Valan had the nerve to come to Floyd's table years later at a hotel. Floyd's wife asked how much he got pay for doing that and Valan was stupid enough to tell the truth. He sayed he was paid $5000 to do it.
Patterson was a well liked fighter and clearly beat Ellis but I think Floyd got robbed because people in the fight world did not want to see Frazier knock him out my honest opinion
You’d be surprised Patterson can hold his own against Frazier he was suppose to be his next mandatory challenger in 72 but they chose Terry Daniels. Floyd beat Daniels convincingly in there bout in 71.
Patterson was a credit to his race---the human race. I met him later, and he was a great person. A Kurt Warner, only with much better taste in women. But he did NOT deserve the decision vs. Ellis. He SHOULD, and COULD, have won the fight...possibly by a ko, but, for some reason, didn't have the desire/motivation. The physical skills were still there, but, at his career stage, they alone weren't enough.
Patterson was 188 pounds. He was fighting in the wrong weight class the whole second half of his career. Love the man but he couldn’t handle how big the division got from Liston on.
Lots of guys from back in the day would be cruiserweights or light heavies now. Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Rocky Marciano, Jerry Quarry.
Patterson was so skillful. He could punch and counter. Always on his toes. In really good shape. I saw him live once, man what fast hands he had. His problem was he was really a blown up middleweight. I think he was robbed here.
Jimmy definitely threw more punches than Floyd, but Floyd dodged so many of them while hitting more, especially his power shots. But tbh I don't feel that I am the right person to judge this fight as I am a huge Patterson fan
I saw this fight as it was broadcast to the states. At the time, I thought it was live as I did see the end of the fight and the decision, which yes, was a travesty. Possibly it was a replay as the satellite transmission was lost. This is new to me.
my video shows exactly how Joe and his era fought, does in that video does that version of Joe look like he actually or anybody from his time look like they would land anything on people from the 70s-90s in my video? he and guys from his time look like novices compared side by side to no names Foreman fought, and in no way does anyone from that era look like they would last 1 round vs guys in 70s-90s,so how exactly would rock do good now then? See how you make no sense fool stop watching highlights like most lazy not sane people like you Those guys look horrible and you for a fact have no video to go over mine cause you can't alter footage to make fighters more advanced or can you deleted already recorded footage
which match are you basing will surviving mutiple shots from george?,when will wasnt even used to fighting people as advanced as the average 70s who not only had way better tech,but used more angles/had way better timing If you have anyway to change who he fought to as advanced as the average 70s go ahead,but mind you I never seen anybody exist who were Able to change video,what I said isn't a opinion of how they were way more advanced even the average in 70s,that's actually fact if george ran though mutiple people in the 1st people who were used to way more technical punches thrown at them,what makes you think as I said will who wasnt used to being punched by people with that type of tech can just magically just survive?,it makes no logical sense the man would be destroyed simple as that,he wouldn't even have any way to avoid shots Also if you have anyway to change to make anybody George destroyed as technical as horrible as the dempsey era was go ahead and find a way to do that to,also if you're able to make anybody who fought like they did in dempseys era who made midcard in 70s go ahead,mind you each of these things I said I never seen anybody able to change these things Oh and I'll throw this in had jack been in the ring with foreman/lyle/Oscar he would've been destroyed and fast for the reason I said already they were way more advanced,Jack's whole era looks very novice like compared So you bragging on how jack struggled cause that's what it was,he struggled to put away a horrible fighter who nobody even made midcard fighting like that in 70s,no one even made midcard fighting like jack in 70s-80s,he was horrible to
It really looks like a Eliis's KD in the 14th (look at him shaking his head after he woke up, like trying to clear his mind). Whatever, I don't see Patterson as dominant as lot of people here are telling he was. He threw the hardest shots, but very few. Very close fight if you score the KD.
THE REASON FLOYD WASN'T DECLARED THE WINNER IS BECAUSE ANGELO DUNDEE WAS HIS MANAGER I'VE ALWAYS NOTICED THAT WHENEVER A FIGHT IS CLOSE THAT DUNDEES FIGHTER ALWAYS WON
Yea something definately isn't right about this fight? It makes you truly think whats really going on behind the curtains? These judges had to been bribed in some kind of way.. Its only evident Patterson clearly won this fight, plain & simple!
Every damn time I revisit this fight I get angry over the decision! Now I will readily admit that Floyd Patterson was my boyhood hero. But putting that aside, Floyd took it to Jimmy Ellis. The "slip" as called by Harold Valan, was a legit, for real KNOCK DOWN! Patterson was the first 3-time World Heavyweight Champion, it was "STOLEN" by one of the worst decisions in boxing history! Gosh, Jimmy's face was swollen and disfigured from the pounding he had taken, yet this bid, deaf, and very dumb ref called it for Ellis! Enough criticism, I could not help but notice the high sportsmanship exhibited by both boxers. The chilvalry that I wish was present in boxing today.
Yeah, and they cut away to a commercial without announcing the winner and when they came back Ellis had won. I was like -what about the other 2 judges. Only the Ref judged the fight. AS A RESULT OF THIS FIGHT BOXING WAS BANNED IN SWEDEN!
The judges must have been thinking that it would be pointless giving Floyd the decision because had they given the decision to Floyd Patterson he would have lasted less than a year as champion or quit without making any defences which would have seemed pretty pointless in their eyes. Lets face it. Frazier and Ali were around and it would only have been a matter of time before one of them got him out of there and given him a really bad beating. The judges probably did Patterson a really big favour in not letting his health get worse than it did. It shouldn't be that way but unfortunately bad judging happens and it clearly happened here and it could have been with the view of thinking about Floyd's long term health and hoping that he'd take the hint that he's more or less finished and that it's time for him to retire.
Because Dundee handled Ali, people often don't like to hear about the strange decisions and strange goings-on that took place when Dundee was handling one of the fighters. The decision here is just one example but there are many more. Just ask Chuvalo (Alongi, DeJohn) or Harold Johnson (Pastrano) or others about it. Further, one could just look at how Ali magically received the benefit of the doubt in at least 3 fights and the ring tactics he could get away with where others couldn't (although that part might not have been just about Dundee). The point is that there are ways to move the odds over to your fighter that are well outside the rules and Dundee was not above resorting to them. Certainly, Dundee was neither the first or last to use such methods and I am sure his fighters were glad for it but that doesn't mean he should not be called out for it.
Floyd won the fight period! It was close, but Patterson had the better. He broke the nose of Jimmy early and from that point seem to take control for the most part. He won, Ellis lost!
Another bad decision, Floyd won this fight unaminously .! You have to knockout the Champion sometimes more than not to get the title that is not good for boxing 🥊 period .!
This referee did a fine job as just that, being a referee, but his judgement,... He hopefully was never allowed to score a fight again in his life. Anyone who was there, anyone watching this fight with any brains and powers of observation can clearly see who won, and it certainly was not Jimmy Ellis. This was a bad day for professional boxing. Regardless of whether the fight was any sort of legitimate contest to decide who was the holder of a part of the heavyweight championship, just as a strait up boxing match between two, well, by today's standards they would both be cruiser weights, but in any case, two fighters, again, it's obvious to anyone who's ever boxed, in my case only as a kid in silver and one golden glove match, that Patterson deserved the decision here.
I remember watching this fight with my late father back in 1968. I feel asleep. I am watching it 54 years later and I am nodding to sleep again. Boring heavyweights after watching the greatest during this era, Mohammad Ali!!!!!!!
Frazier manhandled Ellis and Ellis beat Bonavena and even dropped him just goes to show it’s styles because Oscar gave Frazier two tough fights even dropping him twice so it’s styles that make winners and losers.
Having only one judge is bad enough. Having that judge be the referee is worse. Refereeing is a hard job, especially with heavyweights. Judging a fight is a hard job. Having to do both jobs simultaneously is pretty much impossible. I can't blame the referee for the decision. His attention was divided.
A Floyd Patterson le faltó un poco más de ambición para ganar de manera contundente esta pelea. Aún así, la decisión en favor de Ellis deja muchas dudas; Patterson mereció el triunfo.
Patterson won the fight but Ellis got the decision because there was a lot of clamor for a Frazier-Ellis fight and Frazier didn't enter the tournament saying"I'll beat the winner". There would have been no money and very little interest in a Frazier-Patterson fight. Given what Frazier did to Ellis, Floyd was probably lucky Ellis got that decision.
*First 3 rounds* 3-0 Ellis. Yet another "controversial" fight, for viewers who care more about pretty highlight reel bits than work rate. *11 1/2 rounds later* Then again, sometimes you just get shortchanged...
This is total bullshit. Patterson dominated through 3/4ths of the fight, he even started going easy on Ellis in the last two rounds. Unless Ellis scored a knockdown in what remained of that 15th round, Floyd shouldve been the new champion. Actually i think it would require a series of knockdowns
Floyd won this fight for sure if 2 judges had been there as well . Henery copper said one ref is no good that is why he blamed referee Harry gibbs . But in this fight floyd win at this time there was a political injustice against Floyd the did not want him Having the title
