I’m making a Pt2 follow up on this lovely gamepad. I figured out the adaptive triggers, I forgot the kontrol freek section, and there’s some other thangs I wanna discuss 🙂🐎
I have one question since I'm on Xbox .. If I'm using the brook adapter would this controller be faster than the turtle beach ultra ? Also I would be nice if you could include the other stick options you have to by separately..like just a view on the webpage or something
Another thing you might want to add: It seems like they updated the way the D-pad swivels compared to the Vader 3 Pro (not sure how it is on the older Apex) so that you can't press all directions at once which is something that annoyed me with the Vader 3 Pro. Did it ever happen while playing? Likely not, but you know.
This is by far best controller ever! I owned the Vader 3 Pro and this Apex 4 just has a lot more quality/features to it. I've owned the Apex 4 for about a month now and never ran into any issues yet. The Triggers are so fun to mess around with the supported games. I've only played Monster Hunter Rise and Elden Ring with them. Great experience. The Thumb Sticks are phenomenal, very smooth with those anti-friction rings. The best part is having a very fast wireless polling rate. MY NUMBER 1 CONTROLLER!!!
This controller is essential to me because I play Rocket League and I definitely need a fast and accurate controller for the game. And this controller delivers.
Damn I might pick up one of these flydigi controllers especially since I do play a lot of FPS games and open worlds games on my downtime. Tho the only thing that concerns me is the QC of Flydigi.
Is it razer wolverine ultimate good? I've had my ultimate for a year and 4 months, no issues what so ever. I also have a Fusion Pro controller as backpack because I kept dropping my specta v1 and I broke the thumbstick.
Wish list for the Vader 4. Give me those tension adjustments, make the back buttons flatter, and do away with the snap off sticks or make them less wobbly and I have my endgame.
I’m pretty sure flydigi mentioned that and have now fixed it. Thanks for pointing it out tho! Edit: the thumb stick part that is, still pretty sure there is no replacement. That said, Amazon probably has warranty of some sort.
My Apex 4 left analog broke in the inside while on COD that’s my only gripe with this controller is the plastic inside the stick is defective only had it for three weeks. Been seeing many people having the same issues with the joysticks breaking and becoming unusable 😢 Other than that I have no other complaints about it
Great review, those are some insne numbers for input delay! Im happy with my g7 se especially after adding overclock in the update. What im waiting for if it'll ever happen is a new xbox 360 style design pro controller, imo best feeling controller in the hands ever
Great vid, there is a tab next to pc config to mod games for the adaptive triggers. It is just like the apex 3 though not alot of game support and it is not in english so it can be very confusing. The triggers though work just like the xbox elite 2 with full trigger pull on adjust stop though love it. Like you said about the sticks i got mine on aliexpress they share he same design as the vader and others so it can be used on any of their controllers just like their dpad. Also u can put any gif in the middle but takes only 35 frames so manly for animation. Those pads that you thought were adhesive where like those arts and craft scratch things back in school. Where you can scratch to let a design shrine through and replace the apex logo on the left side when you remove the faceplate. Sorry for the ramble xD
Been loving my Vader 3, but this does look really nice. It is odd how they leave out some features from the Vader 3 on the Apex despite charging about twice as much. Seems like an oversight, and it seems like this controller would be more competitive with those extra buttons and swappable clicky triggers.
The tension adjustments are really tempting, but I'd rather have trigger stops instead. Hopefully, the next iteration of the vader has tension adjustments, so we stallions and stallionets can blow our wad on that controller
I disagree with the placement of the home and capture button I think they are fine where they are and I like the adaptive triggers you can just simulate trigger stops if you want and the vibration mode is decent enough to work even with games not supported by flydigi you just have to adjust the settings a bit. Also you don't really need to press the home button to turn on the controller every time unless the controller is in sleep mode that's the only time I ever used it to wake it up. You don't have to flick the switch at the back and press the home button constantly. Other than that though great review as always been waiting for you to get your hands on this controller for a more in depth look. You and VK are the only controller reviewer I've seen go into detail with these stuff great work as always
After watching this I'd come to the same conclusion too. The apex 4 pro is a hard sell when the vader 3 pro has full reWASD support, more face buttons, better triggers and is cheaper.
Like simultaneously, or just period. As an Xbox and controller guy you should absolutely own the Brook XB2 if you don't already. I have gotten my money out of that converter for sure.
@@GamerHeavenOfficial it’s on the list of things to buy. Along with an AIM PS5 controller since their Hall effect thumbsticks aren’t available to Xbox yet.
I currently own the 8bitdo ultimate and the SN30 pro +, is this a huge upgrade to that? Also, how does this compare to the dualsense (as a PC controller)?
Great review, pays to look a little further for prices though. I bought it for 102 euro including case and phone holder thing (110USD). Bare bones it should be cheaper still.
I have a question, I see in all the reviews the input latency being praised of this controller, but on the gamepadle website, the cable latency for the flydigi apex4 appears to be twice as high as the dual sense. Is this correct? What are your thoughts on that? Because when I see youtubers testing with xinput, the flydigi apex4 scores better every time?
72 hours of play time in what world? Maybe with every single feature turned off. Even Flydigi state about 20 hours. I've hit 25 with maybe half of that as idle time. Certainly disappointing and hopefully they will allow us to turn off the screen.
motion controls to should be generally bound to mouse aim. You may ask i why not stick, it's cause the gyro will end up inheriting the limits of a stick and feel worse. You lose aim assist, but aim assist is not ideal for the best feeling gyro cause it messes with your natural movements. Mouse gyro will end up being nicer most of the time with two caveats. The aim assist is stupidly OP, or the game rejects mouse aim while using controller.
I think if you have Vader 3 Pro (or want it for twice cheaper price), that you don't really need Apex 4. Unless you have a spare $160 or really, REALLY want adjustable sticks, simple config on a fly, and not-really-adaptive PS5 triggers.
Just got mine for a week now. It's a amazing controller in everyway EXCEPT for the GYRO. It's kind of trash compared to even a 2015 steam controller. It's nearly impossible to do small mouse movements using gyro.
I love this controller. However I did by the brook xb2 converter which doesn't work. FYI for anyone hoping to use this on Xbox, the converter gets recognized as an unauthorized peripheral and will be blocked.
Hey bro, thanks for your review. One question, for you, witch controler is the best for competitive games like COD? Betwen The Apex 4 and the Gulikit KK3? Thanks
Bro if they truly achieved 70hrs battery life with a 1500mAh and an embedded screen display + 1000 Hz wireless polling rate, it’s gotta be the controller of the year Might aswell be linked to these new sticks, supposedly demanding much lower current. Still i’d really like to see further testing on the current consumption of this product
Was loving this controller. Hoping the replacement only after 3 days of play does not fail like this one did. Left stick is broken after only a few hours of play. Suddenly no tension in the left stick it just flip-flops around if you tilt the controller in any direction. I really like the back buttons over my Elite series 2. It's kind of a pain having to connect it to the Xbox X every time I wanted to use it but it only takes about 20 seconds to do that....could be user error who knows...it would be nice to just turn on the controller and go.
Some info for those looking to use this on Series X wirelessly: Just got the controller and its awesome. Dpad really impressed me, as its the first modern controller to have a Dpad to compete with specialised 2D controllers I use like the M30. Extremely impressed with the feel and quality in all areas. The rubber grip feels somewhere between the Elite controllers and Scuff, as far as sticky feeling. Its not to far off from the Scuf rubber and definately feels better than the Elite. In order to use the controller on Series X wirelessly I used the Brook 2 adapter (wingman adapter) on the console, but it only worked if I had the wireless dongle plugged into the adapter. Some controllers work wirelessly on that adapter without any additional dongles, but in this case you need the dongle to be plugged into the Brook 2 adapter for it to work wirelessly. For wired just plug it in with a USB C cable to the Brook 2 adapter. Once you have the dongle plugged in just make sure you set the controller to PC and dongle mode. Theres also an Xinput setting in the "more" section, but that may already be set properly by default. This video also explains how to get the menu in English, so do that first. If it doesnt sync right away then try unplugging the Brook 2 adapter with the wireless dongle plugged into it, then replugging it. That fixed the issue for me. Sometimes it syncs right away. Also, the controller DOES support mapping keyboard keys on the back paddles. It seems only 1 keyboard key per back paddle, no combinations. I believe this was the review that said it didnt work. I can confirm it works as I was using hotkeys on an emulator to load and save states during gameplay with the back paddles. Worked awesome. Stay tuned !!
Awesome, just the comment I was looking for. Just bought this controller for my Xbox series x, I also bought wingman xb2 but I got the ban message. So I returned it and ordered the mayflash magic x but it should work the same
Im glad you found that information useful. I know how hard it is when trying to compare features and see what works and how to do shit. I buy alot of controllers myself. Interesting about the ban message. I havent seen any messages yet while using the adapter, and most of my controllers still work it seems. Glad you found a solution. Ive been using it as my main on Series X since I got it. @@thebigman1901
The reason I'm considering replacing the Vader 3, is that the dpad on the Vader 3 is dogshit and that bothers me. Otherwise I do like that Vader 3. The turtlebeach ultra also looks really nice
If i didn't have to get 2 controllers, i would have considered this. Shame its 160$! and that is without the goodies this controller suppose to come with...
Maybe I'm just too tired to have noticed it but I don't think you went if/what control freeks fit. Does sound like a great controller tho wish there was a full Analog to Clicky Digital Trigger switch rather than their solution that doesn't so as much but raising the overal cost but super excited to have adjustable stick tension. Maybe I can finally switch away from my elite series 2. Definitely the Controller that has me most excited in a while.
I was thinking of buying a vader for 50 bucks but ive seen this controller for 80 so i got this one instead, very very good controller. Mine 99% of the time always lands perfect 0.2 in the rest state on the sticks, it can go to like weird 0.32 but u have to nudge it a certain way to force it to be like that
Damn i love these insanely high detail videos. You've always been my go to with controllers. I just wanted to share some of the difference i had with that controller being sold on my region in the PH 1). The apex 4 does have a complete edition with carry case, replacable thumb grips and charging dock (similar to what you'd get to the apex 2 bundle, perhaps that's something that only on my region was being sold? Not sure tho ) 2). There is actual game support for the adaptive triggers, a dude by the name of VK's channel talked about this in depth in his videos how he managed to make ps5 ported games on pc work with the adaptive trigger mappings with the controller through the flydigi software (i would love to have a follow up video ragarding your take on that software side of the controller) Anyway awesome video! You're really my fave controller dude on youtube! Cheers!
He failed to mention that the triggers adapt to only supported games and these supported games are updated periodically. Else, yes, you have to program the triggers manually for each non supported game. These triggers carried over from Apex 3 and I believe that in order for them to continue to support more games, the new controller had to have these adaptive triggers to justify the team to continue working on support. To be fair, the Dualsense does not support all games too and has no way to program for non supported games so the Apex 3/4 adaptive has more value.
Thank you for this great review man. I just saw this controller on an online shopping page and got interested because I am looking for a new controller to be able to play 2 player games. I searched for reviews and then I saw yours and I instantly clicked. I won’t forget last year that it is because of your review of the Vader 3 Pro that made me buy it and thank you so much for that because the product didn’t disappoint. 😁
I just gotta say: you're GOATED for the random Hot Rod clip! Nobody ever knows wtf I'm talking about when I mention that movie and it has so many quotable funny ass moments 🤣
I literally watch your videos before buying any controller and I have to admit, this is by far the best controller iv had! I was happy with the gamesir brand but this.. well it’s blows the competition away🔥 keep up the great work!
How does this controller stack up against the gamesir controllers? I have the g7 se and that is the best controller I’ve ever had. But I’m considering trying this controller. Would you say it’s better or worse?
Did you manage to figure out what's the 'Adaptive Trigger' top menu tab in the software about? It's there for Apex 3 as well and has some games listed, like it could actually read from them and react dynamically? It's all in Chinese tho on Apex 3, and my Apex 4 is still in transit.
hell yea, im waiting for my eva version to show up. small thing, in their software there is dualsense emulation for SIE games (not all of them, its a whitelist as they implement it). vk touched on this in his video. also the recentering 'spring' is more of a lever thats outside of the main housing of the stick.
I've had it for a week and it has replaced my Scuf envision pro. I put a .gif of Nerv and the controller looks great. The only drawback I have is that although the trigger lock system works very well, I prefer the mechanical trigger lock.
@@Politobm awesome. I too plan on using a nerv alert gif for the screen (they show this in a few marketing shots, is it built in or did you have to make/source it?). I havent had a controller with the option but I think I would also prefer a mechanical trigger lock but I really wanted something that could emulate the dualsense triggers so I figured it was worth the tradeoff for simulated short-throw triggers. I also felt it was worth the tradeoff for the new sticks since they, based on everything I have seen online, present the ultimate solution to drift with external tension springs and their new lever system.. time will tell, I plan to use this on the switch where that will be pretty important so fingers crossed that its good enough.
Mine is currently out for delivery. Once I saw you can remap the buttons on the controller itself, I bought it. Had to return the Vader 3 because I do not own a PC and couldn't change anything on the controller.
This is exactly what I have been trying to find out lol, Because I am hearing that the Brook Wingman XE 2 Converter Adapter is compatible with the Apex 4 to use on the Xbox Series X, and I've also heard you can just use the USB C cable as well, so I'm really trying to find out what's compatible lol
@@joshuadavis5503 unfortunately I found out, you can't use it, I have all the adaptors and none work, luckily I play on PC and nothing compares to it, scuf etc etc don't even come close, it's a real shame they aren't recognised by xbox
@Gamerhavenofficial quick question, What would be the best xbox/ps adapter for this controller to get? any specific brands as im going to be ordering it here pretty quick.
I was digging this controller because I like the whole adaptive feedback with the triggers like on the PS5 controllers and I was thinking about getting this one but for a $170 I wouldn't waste that money for that controller for that you could get yourself a PS5 controller for $60 bucks and use that on my gaming PC but this control is good I'll just wait for like a prime day sale or something
Got this sucker beacause of your review. AWESOME sensations. Adaptive triggers feels great(despite pain-in-the-butt for the manual settings). Actually got both Vader3Pro and Apex4. Vader 3pro wins price/quality, but apex4 just blows ass.
Just got this controller and works great so far, however the only game it doesn't work with is call of duty. the back buttons wont work when I play cod and the controller itself doesn't work unless its in Dinput on cod which doesn't let you use the back buttons. Any solution to fix this? I won't be using this controller for COD because i have the vader 3 pro for my shooter games but I did wanna see how the controller felt while using the trigger resistance in a fast FPS
I GUARANTEE NO ONE HAS SAID IT. . A small coat of white wax, spread around with a microfiber cloth, if done right it can prevent smudges and fingerprints. . Do as you will with that info.
The latency wired is 6.8ms wireless 7.67 Bluetooth 21.78 tested with GPDL . It's not as fast as gamesir kaleid at 2.37 @1000hz or kk3 max at 3ms @1000hz . Xinput is way off the mark
Ok mine arrived today. Probably will never use it. I’m finding it really difficult to activate the lower rear buttons and impossible to reach the upper ones without moving my grip. Also on my elite two all four rear buttons are covered by 4 different fingers so even if I could reach them having to move a finger from bottom to top back buttons is very annoying. If I hold the controller where it feels natural my thumbs are nowhere near the sticks they are about 1/2 inch over. Very dissapointing big shame
If it had mouse click trigger stops and mouse click face buttons like the Vader 3 pro, this would blow out every other controller by far. For me mouse click trigger stops are a must and at $160 it’s disappointing to not see. Once they release the Vader 4 pro I think it will outshine the Apex 4 if it carries its best aspects over with some of the newer features from the apex 4
hey yo one question, is the apex 3 the exact same shape as the vader 3 pro/apex3 ? orderd a few days ago a t4 kaleid, and with the grip i have middle finger on trigger and idex finger on bumper, my pinkie finger cramps, have this problem with many controllers ds4 feels just great ^^, but to my question the apex 4 i can only order on aliexpress(I'm from germany/no amazon available) etc so with sh'tty return etc i only want to order it there when I'm 100% sure i will keep it ^^
Question. In the software under the trigger lock can you essentially lock the triggers to make them feel like mouse clicks like controllers that have that option for their buttons and triggers? I currently have a battle beaver and play a lot of warzone and would love to upgrade but I’m too used to my mouse clicks. 😂
Can you please include a link in the description for the full software deep dive if you dont go over it in the video? I love your videos but its really frustrating not knowing what all the software can do. Not knowing if you can natively map keyboard keys is the only think thats holding me back from getting a new controller.
This is a good controller, but I am going to wait and see given the price. Maybe a better back button config. I still want a 4 button rear panel that is like the dualsense edge half domes.. except 4 half domes.
Hey man! Is there a cheaper converter for this or the flydigi Vader 3 pro because buying the converter with the controller won’t fit my budget? Thanks!
I’ve been looking for a controller that allows you lower the stick tension, similar to the Xbox elite 2 controller. I’ve been hearing nothing but good things about this controller, so I’ll give it a try. Great review
ok so im back ..... after seeing your video and going to find the controller and it going out of stock on amazon im now back with the controller. :) cant lie love the controller but my only issue is i cant find space station i have went to the website and i dont believe its up their some where i could possible get the a older version of the app really wanna be able to change my gif and triggers
Just to confirm before purchasing. I play competitive fps games, so I'm wondering can the triggers be set to instant activation in the app like an elite controller, correct?
My sister got me a Vapor 2 for my birthday a few years ago and the the triggers and the sticks were unresponsive so I have been too scared to get another one it felt good to use but it was almost useless so I’m just looking for other options now
