This is superior to everything! - GuliKit KingKong 2 Pro Controller 

I was surprised too. It looks like it is competitive on quality, exceeds on features, and the price is in line with first party controllers. Seems like a no-brainer. I sold all my consoles last year, otherwise I would certainly order one.

Same here. I feel like Xbox controllers are on sale a LOT so maybe they're built cheaper.

Only???

8BitDo is releasing a controller which uses Gulikit's Sticks next week for $70 as well. Better deal IMO if you live somewhere where the King Kong Pro 2 is also $70. It has 2 rear paddles, a 2.4GHz dongle (as well as bluetooth) and a charging dock. You have to specifically buy the one which is for Switch and Windows though, they are releasing Windows only and wired only versions as well, but those use normal sticks.

@Slurup Maloha doesn’t mean that it’s cheaper, EVRY currency has different values.

Think Sony. Microsoft and Nintendo use the same brand, company and model of joysticks

​@@Gobeman Almost everyone use joysticks made by Alps

@@Gobeman While correct, as time has proven even the design of a controller can cause joysticks to get worse, eg a shell that lets in more dirt or as with the joycons (seemingly this is still unknown atleast to me) incorrect mounting/pressure as a thin piece of cardboard can fix joycon drift for some reason, not always but it's something to look into

Is anyone else doing this? Would be amazing to see.

I don't think there are that many contorllers out in the wild to really make it make sense to test them. With keyboard yes, there are handrets of manufactures and even more series to choose from so consumer does need help. With controller I don't think so, at least not yet

On first party controller (At least Xbox ones) too

ps5 controller does this

@@PibePlayerthis is arguably worse, so they KNOW about the Hall effect sensors, and just don't use them on the joysticks. ... methinks they are maybe a bit addicted to replacement controller sales. >:/

@@tomspettigue8791of course they fucking know, Microsoft is a three trillion dollar company that has been making controllers for over 20 years now. I’m sure they’re aware of the superior joy stick technology that many have been asking them to use for years.

@@AM-gg4dz broken controllers=more sales

update?

yeah update us how’s it holding up after a year or so now? i need to know for stick drift especially i bed of you 😫

update please. Need a new controller for rocket league

Glad someone else knew about this too

I thought it was the Sega Saturn

I commented the same thing I am so glad someone else remembers

The Sega Saturn analogue controller used it as well. Sega also perfected the D-pad on the Saturn and for whatever reason manufactures have continued to ignore it.

@@Demon-D-King the sega saturn analog controller did have this technology too. But it wasn’t a standard controller sega issued as it was during the dreamcast era

same with DS3 with the no contact / magnetic sensors. These big companies just want to screw customers over with their controllers that wouldn't last a year or two.

If my joycons start drifting again I might get buy their joycon stick replacement kit

I've just bought some magnetic hall effect sensors to build into my Xbox Series X Controller. I love modding lol. Might make a video showing how to do it when i get it done.

@@circuit10 Sadly joycons are a pain in the ass to disassemble. Did it once to convert my switch to clear atomic purple casing and yes it looks great but man was it a pain. Not going there again and I would describe myself as relatively competent when it comes to electronics repair. Nothing for newbies for sure.

@@LorikQuinn cool bro

Same, been asking them about it and they said they'll announce it on their Twitter when they do. Got a pair of joycons waiting for the transplant

@@kyle1elyk I was told that are shooting for mid October but that was like 2 months ago.

I wonder if it's that feasible. The Joy-Con sticks aren't that high on the body of the controller, so if it needs some room, the miniaturisation (which have been the ones that have made the issue stem for so long) might not be very feasible.

That would be awesome

@@J_Sparrow agreed.

It's not just Dreamcast. Every analog stick from N64 up to Dual Shock 3 used Hall Effect sensors. Switching to Potentiometer sensors is a relatively recent change.

@@Likuzaim is that why my ps3 controller can get really dusty but has never had controller drift? Ps4 controller gets any slight dust inside the sticks and all of a sudden starts moving on its own.

And the SEGA Saturn 3D Controller.

@@danwarb1 I meant to add that in, but I didn’t know the Saturn’s controller name. (It had 2 controllers, one w/o an analog stick and the other w/ one)

This was the best controller ever, and it's not even close.

Who made the video? I'm gonna get one and wanna know what I'm in for.

Who made it?

Who made that video

person who made the video: Kei's Retro Gaming

@@willwastaken any reason why?

Plus 1 on that, can't wait to see more controllers to have these hall effects stick boxes.

yeah Sony is 100% gonna try to sue them for that. Doubt Sony would win, but hopefully the threat doesn't make them back down.

@@Volker_A4 dunno if there's actual grounds to sue, considering the joysticks are replaceable and such. but it's sony we're talking about so it's most definitely in the realm of possibility

For $200 I hope the thing comes with hall effect sticks from factory.

their support is really decent tbh.

i wish sony would make a high quality controller like this. every ps4 controller i'll had gets analog drift within about 6 months, a couple maybe went 9 months. i would gladly pay $100+ for a sony controller with these sticks that apparently don't get this drift issue.

@@Jack_80 I have asked a couple makers about making a ps4 controller. Apparently they cant do the touch portion because of patents and whatnot. Sony holds the keys tight.

Why would you put it in the case every night? Because of dust or something? That's the only (reasonable and not ridiculous) reason I can think of

@@Xero026 Ya I have 2 cats, and why not? Makes less sense not to. I am not so lazy I cant be bothered to open a case lol

@@sloshappy2 I wish that patent gets unpatented

Yep, now it's pretty much the norm, even new entry-level controllers have hall-effect gimbals. Next up, game controller enthusiasts are going to discover the joy of damping grease ! (to be fair, it's already common for flight-simmers to lubricate their joysticks with Nyogel 767A & co)

@@triggermovies I would assume that lubricating reduces wear?

Please note that the joystick for this hand is electromagnetic, but the problem is that the vertical speed is not equal to the horizontal speed, that is, the normal joystick, the vertical and horizontal speed are exactly equal

A game changer? Seriously?

@@itsallsobothersome4537 boom boom

Also they put a PATENT on those so no other company can use it in there products which is scary but i hope they will team up or be willing to team up with other companies so theres not just a complete shut down on there market then they raise the price by 2x or even 3x

God imagine the market if GuliKit somehow made hall effect stick replacements for Gamecube controllers

Becoming a thing again. Old consoles like the Dreamcast used Hall effect joysticks; potentiometer sticks is just pure planned obsolescence.

recently scored a lightly used GC controller for 25 bucks. Joystick is basically brand new. Life is good.

@@Luteloots there is a hall effect controller called the PhobGCC project

literally this i got so sad when they said it has turbo / macros because this could be the phob level controller for procon players but affordable

you mean they made a new version of it? Like it's called the same but it's improved?

I'd like to know this too!

@@schalomforeverI just bought one to be delivered tomorrow. Will verify and report back to you!

@@halfcabkrooksthis comment didn’t age well…

@@halfcabkrooks how is it?

I also experienced this, was able to fix the issues with manual repair- but not for everybody.

I have one with a sticky button and another one which sometimes keeps connecting and disconnecting when turning it on wired to my computer via USB. Sometimes the problem goes away by just unplugging OTHER devices from other USB ports. Sometimes it doesn't. Very weird. It's such a shame cause they're great controllers otherwise.

Got mine month ago, no issues. It's just perfect. Also i did not notice any input lag people blaming this controller for. 😍

Most of it is easily fixable with some sanding (the controller is one of the easier that I've opened too). My issue is that the mechanical buttons themselves are similar to mechanical keyboard switches but nowhere as high-quality; the 'clickiness' comes from two plastic fins grinding against two plastic tabs inside and this design gives it a weird amount of resistance that some players might find awkward and even 'sticky'. For people who find that the buttons are hard to press down and/or are sticky, I highly recommend giving them the same treatment as you'd give mechanical keyboard switches: open them up and lubricate the insides. They then turn into some of the best buttons I've ever tested.

Glad i seen your comment about these issues. Had a look at another review and he had a sticky spot caused by bad cleanup of the gate to the mold of the analogue stick. He sanded it off and fixed it. I have bought one of these controllers just now so i guess we will see how i go, if to many issues ill just get a refund. (edit) Received my controller a few days ago and so far I'm loving it. Using it a few hours every night after work. When I touched the triggers and analogue sticks for the first time I was like Morty when he experiences true level.

Can it wake the Switch from sleep?

@@calibrono I have only used it on pc but on a review i saw they said it does

@@calibrono i have it , yes it does but you need to turn on the controller first then press the home button to wake it up

How are the abxy buttons on it compared to the xbox controller? I find the xbox buttons too hard and clicky.

I have one of these and it’s fucking died after 2 months

you do know that de-soldering and then soldering sticks is a pretty difficult job right?

@@vasopel It's really not. It's just daunting for first timers.

Most likely wont happen, theres a difference in voltage that a drop in replacement that isn't modular wont exist

@@vasopel Not that difficult, plus most are just ribbon cables and a couple screws

they do make replacement Steam Deck ones

Yeah tbh, I prefer some snap to my ABXY buttons. I hate when it feels like the button is just sinking into the controller under your thumb.

That's pretty good to know.. I was considering jumping on this to try it out, but if they're having issues like that... I'd rather wait until they sort things out, rather not deal with the hassle of potentially multiple returns..

@@kryzethx Same.. If I am to change from going to a faulty Xbox 360 controller to a faulty Gullikit, then I am back to square one, having tried to go to an Xbox Series X/S elite controller and having it get sticky triggers shortly after a week.

Maybe I have that issue but I'm not sure. In normal cases I have no input lags. But when the battery is low in Bluetooth mode, it starts to get lagging. Sometimes when I play it wired, it connects to Bluetooth. And that's when I experience lagging when wired. These days I play it laid back, Away from the PC. Always Bluetooth. With a type-c charger ready for any of my low battery devices. If it starts to lag, I plug it in to charge (not to PC) and things fine.

@@ilakya I contacted the support about and they said I should charge it to full and try again. It didn't work as I was still experiencing the severe input lags. Since you have no input lags except when your battery is low in Bluetooth mode then I guess you don't have that issue. My case was constant despite charged to full and going wired over bluetooth.

nice call out

you got a video for that?

@@clydefrosch unfortunately, no. There are some teardown videos of the controller though. if you can follow those videos then you should be able to open the switches themselves up. That part is much easier than opening up the controller itself.

Have you tried playing Super Smash Bros or any FPS game with them? I'm interested in them as well, due to the joysticks, but I've read mixed reviews.

I guess they rather want consumers to BUY NEW controllers instead

PS3 too, if I remember correctly. And by now basically all RC plane/drone remotes that aren't garbage tier.

I think that's a great idea. It would need to be a game setup where random events don't cause variability in results such as enemies spawning in at different times and locations

Agreed

I've tried scripting things like this for benchmarking but in a lot of cases, there's a small amount of error in how the game responds to the scripted inputs and over a few minutes the errors add up and sometimes completely break the scripted run. Works a lot better in retro games with very stable framerates

Couldn't you just use macro recorder for this?

@@kendokaaa It's likely down to either frametime variation or floating point inaccuracy, or both. The latter is an inherent issue with how computers handle decimal points, and we've been so unable to solve it that no programmer in their right mind should allow floating point numbers into financial programs. There are workarounds, sometimes. In the case of graphical functions, many calculations involve these slightly inaccurate numbers. Nobody cares if the model is a pixel off in a frame or two. It's definitely a case of "good enough," and some things run faster with less accurate numbers. My personal experience is pretty damning. I was making a program and defined a variable as 2.0. I then hovered over it in the code editor, and the tooltip told me it was 2.0004. What. Imagine that, but then you throw cosmic bit flips into the equation. There's a solution for that too, but Intel decided a long time ago that shouldn't be a general consumer feature. In short, the average home PC is likely not perfectly accurate. Engineers pay extra for more stable hardware, but even then the program has to be designed a little different for maximum accuracy.

You have their sticks in your steam deck? Do you still get the same touch recognition as the factory sticks?

@@jackmeacham3 No (I have the MDHA Steam Deck controllers), but I also think cap sensors to activate gyros is a really stupid bind, so even if Gulikit offers me a replacement, I don't think I'll bother. IIRC Linus didn't even bother soldering the wires in his upgrade.

@@jackmeacham3 You can have the same touch recognition if you solder the existing joystick cover to the Gulikit ones. From what I've heard, the soldering job isn't that difficult. Honestly, most people can live without the functionality.

@@GSBarlev i love the fact that there are cap sensors, but I cant for the life of me justify using it to activate gyro over L4 or 5. Maybe if the gripped ridge was bigger on the top so you can pull the stick down eithout activating it would be better, but as-is I feel like Im losing my mind trying to use the stick without activating gyro lol

@@jackmeacham3 yes they do. You have to desolder the wire that connects the joy touch on the stick caps from the original sticks then solder them in place on the new ones.

How was it

I returned mine. They use the Japanese layout which I prefer but they don't offer any way to swap what Windows sees as the buttons. So if anyone is like me and sees an 'A' on their screen and instinctively presses 'A' it is frustrating to have it input a B. I was trying to force myself to get used to it but after 7 hours and 50% of my button pressing being mis-inputs I had enough. No value in a durable controller if I can't even play a game on it.

​@@SirNarax They sell very affordable button replacements. Some controllers even come with them. And if you mean the X-Input layout, can't you just modify your games' settings to accommodate?

@@Gortall No, I can not. Changing the controls in game doesn't solve the problem just inverts it the other way. Since the button displayed on the controller is not what the game sees. I returned mine because not only was that a pretty significant issue but it also just didn't even work at all. It randomly pressed buttons or completely missed inputs. For a controller who's selling point is primarily durability arriving broken is a no-go.

@@SirNarax Back to my first point then. They sell buttons for the Xbox mapping, with A at the bottom.

​@@Gortall Well I do actually prefer the Japanese layout and a meer button swap wouldn't solve the problem completely only remove the discontinuity. Plus why would I invest time or money into a controller that arrived to me broken when their primary selling point was durability? Very basic controllers can at the very least actuate buttons correctly out of the box.

The GuliKit sticks for my Steam Deck haven't been great at all. While the lack of dead zone is great, mine reach their greatest value before the end of the stick travel is reached. So only 2/3rd of the stick do something, and beyond that it just reports max value. It is a common defect and lots of people have issues with it. Such a shame.

The 8bitdo will actually be using joysticks provided by GuliKit, so they will likely be very similar.

I might have to go with the 8Bitdo one. They've yet to let me down.

@@yeti4269 It seems like they might, though. They have 2 paddles, but also have very barebones support with windows. This is because the 8bitdo needs a receiver to work on Windows unlike the Gulikit. It also isn't compatible with android or MacOS natively. The things it has going for it are the paddles, Ultimate remapping software, and the d-pad. I'll still wait to see a comparison between the two, but I think I might have to go with the Gulikit KingKong 2.

@@nikopierrot it's 2.4 g compatible so tbh that's more than enough for a controller

@@nikopierrot if it has an x input, it will work on iOS natively because it would be looked at as an Xbox controller which is natively supported. Not sure about android but I will assume the same.

I would look at actual reviews first, Short Circuit does unboxing not reviews. Most things will look good if u only spend 10 mins with it.

The 8bitDo ultimate controller comes out in a few days and also has a Hall effect joysticks if you don’t want to buy from some random Chinese company.

@@ReEnaCtCky Thanks for the tip! I haven't heard of that before, so I'll definitely be checking it out.

@@ReEnaCtCky and 8bitDo is from Hong Kong

Did you miss the part where it doesn’t work with xbox

@@sirdiealot53 I don't have an Xbox, I game on PC. So I don't care

i just wish they offerd a model with a bit higher quality materials like metal triggers and a nice case

why don’t normal xbox controllers come with these type of sticks, id pay double for them just to stop stick drift

@@okay7332 because they earn more money that way, like planned obsolescence or the fact that phone batteries used to be removable but now its not

This ^ Unfortunately, for some reason, most reviewers on RU-vid don't talk about this controller input lag (Which is huge), it's really funny how you can actually notice the input lag when he was testing the controller on Zelda and Tomb Raider, and honestly, it's not an issue only during online gaming in my opinion, I'm very lag sensitive and feel very annoyed on singleplayer/story-driven games too, I really regret buying it but at least I fixed things by buying the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth.

@@Charlotte-Hyou mean only the adapter of 8bitdo or you replaced the controller with 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth?

I sold both controller and adapter from Gulikit, then I bought the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth controller which already comes with an adapter. @@mhnoni

What kind of lubricant and was it hard to disassemble to lube ?

@@CannabisCrusade disassemble is rather simple, unlike first-party controller. There is no ribbon cable or anything that can break easily. I use general purpose bearing grease but dedicated mechanical keyboard lube should be better.

@@yonggor I'm going to need to try that. My A button started binding within an hour. Sigh

For anyone else having this issue (which so far was my only complaint), @yonggor seems to be right that some lubrication fixes it. I used graphite, just pencil dust and pushing the button a lot until it freed up. Squeaks a bit now, but at least it doesn't seem to be binding.

why are you lying?

Which is still much longer than the 6 months to 2 years for potentiometers depending on use.

AGO1 gimbals.

which is why there's full metal joysticks which cost like 100 bucks each though you can find some decent metal joysticks for cheaper. personally I never had drift problems on older gamepads like the dualshock 2, though I actually severed a plastic stem at some point because of the metal on plastic friction. I'm pretty sure drift wouldn't be a thing if they had slightly better quality joysticks. though obviously hall effect and optical switches are still the best in terms of reliability. a great way to get rid of mechanical drift is to have a small spring detent in the middle, avoiding the joystick from wandering around. though the problem would also be solved by having easily replaceable joysticks. use inserts and machine thread screws, and have the joysticks on a secondary pcb. don't tell me the extra 2 bucks can't be put in a fucking 70 bucks gamepad.

@@satibel me neither, PS controller potential meters are extremely durable, even the ones on PSP. XBOX 360, Logitech, Seitek potential meters, however, are another story. Wrap some Plumber's Teflon tape on the mini joystick neck can protect it from machinal wearing. But it won't work on long flight sticks, as the material fatigue will cause micro-fractures to appear over time. (e.g. TM 16000M)

so 3d print one

Whats the input for this? I just got this controller and realized I had trouble getting it to sprint

@@michealhawk4939 It's on the manual guide. I think it's hold "cog icon button" + click left joystick. Then test on a square stick tester to see if the diagonals are getting full position.

there's 8bitdo ultimate controller

Get the 8bitdo ultimate then. The bluetooth variant of it also offers hall effect sensors.

@@vianmaro6732 I'm contemplating between the two. Could you share like a quick list of tradeoffs between the two? Thanks btw!

@@dillonmarius306 Sure! Where would you use it? On your switch, mobile, or PC? Because I own both Gulikit Kingkong 2 pro and 8bitdo Ultimate BT variant (not to be confused with the 8bitdo Ultimate NON BT variant, with only 2.4ghz connectivity), and I mainly use them on my PC. - If you want a charging dock: go for the 8bitdo ultimate. Regardless of variant (BT or 2.4ghz), they offer charging dock which is neat because it also stores the 2.4ghz dongle you use to connect to PC. The Gulikit also have one but is a separate purchase, and the design does not compare to 8bitdo's charging dock which also act as its stand. - Both controller (KK2 pro and Ultimate BT) have hall sticks sensor. Beware of the BT ultimate non BT variant as it only have the potentiometer joystick. -Both joystick have 0 deadzones mode but needs to be turned on. The 8bitdo has its own software, which I will mention later. While the Gulikit can be turned on with a combination of button. Between the two, i feel like the 8bitdo is much more accurate that Gulikit. But maybe it's only because of: -Latency issues. While on PC, i connect the 8bitdo via 2.4ghz. While the Gulikit is only via BT connection. I feel a little latency on Gulikit, and is also a known issue already on internet by most user. I dont have any latency issues on the 8bitdo one. My Gulikit often disconnects and also worsens input lag if you're a few meter away from the PC. -Customizable: The 8bitdo ultimate has its own "ultimate software" that you can use to set your button bindings, macro, deadzones, etc. While the Gulikit ones only have a set of button combos/instruction on how to set a certain action (Example: setting no deadzone mode is 'gearbutton' + 'minus' button). - Android compatibility: I dont own a switch so I can only judge the two on PC and mobile android. I cannot connect the 8bitdo Ultimate BT on my mobile phone and it is a known issue. Even though connecting it via 2.4ghz or BT, no luck. My phone can pair it via BT but does not register any inputs. While the Gulikit works flawlessly on my android phone. Tried it on deadcells and call of duty mobile. - Feel while holding: I prefer holding the Gulikit. Its shape and looks looks similar to Xbox' controllers and feels better when held than 8bitdo. Maybe because of 8bitdo's shape which is a more straight on its side. -Buttons and trigger: Buttons, i prefer the 8bitdo. My Gulikit already have a sticky 'A' button only on 2 months of use. And my 8bitdo is much older with 5 months of use already. Meanwhile on trigger and shoulder: I prefer the Gulikit one. Its trigger is easier to trigger because it has a less travel time to be 100%. Also the RB/LB buttons have a clickier sounds. While on the 8bitdo, the triggers need more push to be 100% input. This is my take on the both controllers. I love them both because they are my first premium controller coming from fake xbox 360 controller which only cost around 7$. Tell me if you have any more specific questions between the two and i will glady answer you. I hope I can help you decide on which one you should get.

this solution isn't really new lmao, it's just microsoft, sony and nintendo literally don't give a shit about bettering their controllers' durability-wise

I've read about taking the buttons out and sanding off the overmolding. Apparently plastic mold finishing quality is lacking a bit, but easily fixable. Or lubricate or both I guess.

Hey Robbaz! How are you doing?

Where are the videos Robert!!!

Robert stop slacking

I can verify with latency issues in Bluetooth mode. As for wired, it has variation that I can't nail down the average.

Damn, and thus the quest for a non-drift stick continues.

Yeah, if they make one with more buttons I will buy it. I already have an overpriced razer controller lol

I will buy if it gets 4 rear paddles

Having 3 Elite/2 controllers get stick drift... im not getting another. The most recent one is 2 months old! Would hop on this if it had 4 paddles on the back. Without those paddles, this is a pass though.

@@EMU1 if it’s that new Microsoft will fix it or send you a new one under warranty. I can’t remember what my exact issue was with one I had but they made it right. Edit: are you bottoming out dead zones?

Hell yes, that'd be perfect.

Have you had any issues with the xyba buttons jamming? I've had two of the gambit controllers and both have had those buttons jam..

Flydigi joysticks also looks good.

I haven't had mine for barely a year and already have crazy stick drift on the right stick. Had customer support send me instructions on how to update and reset the controller, but it seems that was only a temporary fix. Overall, I really do like the controller, but the way the sticks are made for pretty much every controller leaves a lot to be desired for sure

How lucky the buttons on mine got stuck in 30 min. And the replacement did the same thing.

@@lanceuppercut2204 there are guides that lossened the switches to make it feel like linear switches and also eliminate said problem

@@lanceuppercut2204 I think you should open the buttons and cut the part that makes it stuck, worked for me

I have been using a PS4 controller as my main PC controller, and honestly, most of the time it's seen as an Xinput via Steam. So in all honestly, it doesn't matter if the face buttons are correct, you get used to the button positions which all the major controllers are the same regardless, face buttons mean very little.

​@@KeithEngel I think it's a personal preference thing. My brain sometimes gets confused if they don't match. I played some rhythm games in the past using a PS4 controller on Steam and not being able to switch the button symbols really messed with me.

@@KeithEngel yeah, it's easy to ignore the PS buttons since they are basically half symbols - but when B is A and A is B it gets really confusing really quick. I really miss the wii u pro layout, with the joysick above the abxy. It was a mirror of the default xbox layout and the only nintendo controller I could switch between without needing to re-learn my muscle memory every time.

@@DavidFrostbite Yet if the controller is going to be used as Xinput, the B will be A regardless and the A will be B regardless because that is how the inputs are mapped. So basically I don't even look at the face buttons, for me anymore it's just automatics that bottom button is A, right button is B, Top Button Y, and left button is X. Muscle memory is muscle memory, symbols on the screen are what is important and remember were those inputs are regardless what's on the face of the controller.

Does gyro works on switch just like the pro?

huh... ive been having a similsr issue on my old DAC/AMP where the left channel would completely cut out unless i turn the knob up and down a couple times. do you think this could be one of the reasons?

Do you know if it can connect to Microsoft's wireless controller adapter on windows?

@@EasTetris i dont believe it can. I've been using it on bluetooth though and the connection has been flawless

@@realtayo42 oh, I see. Thank you!

Mine got drift a couple of months after I bought the series s. Unfortunately, Microsoft warranty didn't help.

There's definitely fingerprints, wrong move

I remember buying a razor controller a long time ago because it finally had all the features I'd ever wanted. It kept breaking until the warranty expired. Not much to generalise from other than that I learnt there's a lot to be said for companies such as Microsoft and Sony who HAVE to produce a controller that at the very least meets a threshold level of reliability. They might not be perfect but at least they are mass produced effectively.

Dreamcast used this more than 20 years ago. Plenty of broken controllers for other reasons, but not stick drift. IDK about exactly this, but their controllers used magnets on a circuit board instead of potentiometers.

8BitDo make some good controllers. I have a SN30 Pro+.

Just looked into this and there's a PC/Switch version, OR a PC/Android version. The bluetooth on the pc switch is only usable with the switch and not other devices. I'm going with a non-pro version of the Guli controller. We'll see how the 8bitdo fairs when it's released.

Gulikit actually provided 8bitdo with those joysticks

8BitDo's build quality and styling are really good, and their software is easy to use. But you have to like the joystick placement. And I don't understand why they haven't released a controller with four back buttons.

Be aware that they are releasing 4 variants of the ultimate controller and ONLY the bluetooth variant will have hall effect sticks!

Yep, same here. I've gotten too used to having the rear buttons now

you might want to look at the 8bitdo controller then. it's similar to this one (a little worse) but it has two back buttons. idk if that's what you want.

@@GraveUypo This one doesn't have hall effect analog sticks.

@@DrakyHRT The switch version does

Yup I thought the same thing. If this had back buttons I would have already ordered one to try it out. The Microsoft Elite controllers are junk the Thrustmaster eSwap X Pro I'm already on a second set of thumbsticks on it after a year to 9 months of use. The Turtle Beach Recon Controller after 2-3 months of use I'm already sending it back to them for a replacement for drift issues so that's exactly why I'm here reading reviews on this controller. I'm so damn sick of drift it isn't funny!

Does it support Bluetooth?

@@olewornhat It will only support Bluetooth with the Switch. PC connectivity will be a 2.4ghz receiver, and it will not be compatible with Android. Which really kinda sucks because I would much love to have it work with my PC and Android phone via Bluetooth.

@@Digr2108 Thank you for replying. So it won't work with my Steam Deck unless it is docked and a receiver is plugged in.

You seem to be very familiar with high end, aftermarket controllers.. what would you recommend for a DualShock 4/5 replacement, that has the same stick layout as Playstation? I love the DS5 but I got stik drift within a couple months of owning it. I'm going to try to fix it myself, first but if that doesn't work, I need a replacement. I actually wouldn't mind if it has a layout swap, between Xbox and PS style stick layouts. I use the PS style layout for Rocket League but Xbox controllers for racing games, etc.

thanks for the heads up, I was considering this controller but with everything you said I'll just wait for reviews on the 8bitdo controller

​@@hhaste If you are on PC, the 8Bitdo Pro 2 or the Retrofighters Defender. The pro 2 is the better pad in most cases, has a swap-able battery, comes with software for configuration, has motion sensing and extra buttons on the back you can set to whatever you like. The defender is just a basic pad, but there isn't anything wrong with it though, it's comfortable, the sticks and triggers all feel very nice, and I personally think it has the better dpad.

..pad? Controller?

@@HearMeLearn The 8bitdo uses gulikit sticks.

fact is sega has failed miserably it's a history now. no need looking back, technology moving forward, failure left behind

@KabutoRyu why do you write like a bot?

It was the housing that was cheap plastic so it dud still act like newer controllers in that regard

@@KabutoRyu Clearly someone looked back and thought it was excellent to use which dismisses your claim. Best of luck to you in life.

@@MarionetteKazuko a failure still a failure no matter u said how beautiful sega is

They might still be kicking, but if you use the controllers your kids have, vs a new series X pad youll definitely feel the difference in quality. At the very least, the silicone pads between the buttons and PCB on the original XBONE controllers are weak material, that often breaks around the rim of the button contact, making them feel very mushy, and sometimes even stick in the "down" position for too long. I had this issue with 2 xbone pads that were completely babied. Its not a matter of mis-treatment.

Are you removing the joy sticks or are you just spraying into them??

Please, please just use isopropyl to clean the potentiometers.

@@Ironchinian on the regular controllers I'm removing the face plate and pulling off the thumb sticks to spray as I move the exposed thumbsticknaround. I have had my first official thumbstick bite the dirt about a month ago where I will have to replace the thumbstick but our of like 10 controllers not too bad

@@NintenJoe And is cleaning them going to do anything for physical wear of the material itself? At least from my understanding, if I'm getting this at all.