Remember, the only Ammo we are buying is civilian and won’t do that job. FN ss197rl 197’s 195’s and American Eagle Federal. All with no where near the ft lbs/ FPS and soft compared to the M&P stuff with yeah hollow point but he forgot to tell you about the aluminum core being the penetration part coupled with close to 2600fps and the Black band or tipped AP rounds running close to 2500 compared to what you can buy that had my chrono M showing 1600 and change FPS and over a 10% variable spread on the fed rounds and slightly faster with now just the 198’s as the only ones pretty much left in civilian distribution were the FNH SS195rl’s that now have FN putting a large warning inside the carry case nib to avoid those because of failures. Additionally go price out a lead free or AP (M&P) box and do the math as many times as it makes ya mad that they are up to near $2.00 per round. I bought a black gen 1 (for lack of what they called the first model since it’s been around since 1990 and no one for 30 yearrrrs thought enough of one to pay the historically high Ammo costs or specific use. A pandemic caused giant Panic but with a dash of Ruger saying Look, we made one so... was the now strange craze on a gun that does not have nearly the fit that the classics that are still here after over a century. I have yet to hear/see (and I bought another new one in fde last xmas) and at the time my business afforded me the 200rds weekly to make any semblance of sub zero clusters at 25 or for USPSA/IPSC I guess “open” minor class steel challenge shooting results. Look at the TYPE of ammo marketed for the civilian side and realize what at least 2500-3000 rds I’ve shot over the years was best served on paper as those really just disintegrate on impact with any solid hard object. Funny, I owned a glass company for years and knew there would be no penetration if I special ordered via the Ammo we buy. If the price drastically drops to that of a small exotic (if you will) round price and became a shelf item instead of for M&P then it probably wouldn’t have worn off on me so fast (the infatuation from the 30 year delayed mass marketing hype) on it. I started seeing the ads and vids and thought I had the wrong pistol as I can’t tell you anything off the top of my head that justifies it over so many affordable and available rounds with marketing that compares apples to apples. I have 4 completely custom speed guns for USPSA AND IPSC ETC and both my FN FiveseveN’s do shoot decently flat but aside from an average to better stock trigger assembly and capacity which I don’t have any need for 30 rounds of paper pinching pricey bullets that isn’t special in a mechanical way because of the style/design of the market Ammo. It’ll wear off sooner than ya think when you find the higher accolades in the guns that have been nearly unchanged and same Ammo for over a century. I hope (and that’s why I bought the second one) that they were/are planning to make readily available the rounds that there is actually something to talk about. And that lots of other manufacturers effect the demand and supply dropping the price to something you can shoot for less than a 45-70 or 338lapua or 6.5CM for. It’s a tiny bullet and reloading might be the only way I don’t sell both and get the wife something she wants for a change like a golden mop...... terrible joke terrible but maybe it had more use eh?
@@Chopins11th I didn't read all of your comment but don't know why you're mentioning that he forgot to tell you about the penetrating power/fps of the black tipped ammo, he already mentioned in the video that he was NOT able to get it, he is NOT using AP rounds, this is REGULAR ammunition he is using.
THANKS for posting that video... I own a Five-seveN and I would have never believed the 27g hollow-point would have penetrated better than the 40g V-Max, unless I had seen it with my own eyes... The difference in muzzle velocities may be a significant factor here, the lighter 27g moving faster... LOVE the 5.7x28mm, the assassins' choice for close-up hits!
I love the 5.7x28mm I think it is a great around. The ss197 out of the ps90 will go through bullet proof armor (military arms channel proved that). The ss190 which is the military around is amazing but the cilivan rounds are still great as well.
I was going to run the same setup, but there’s so many stories of people surviving a shit load like entire mag dumps of 5.7, if you ever encounter some kind of mass shooter or some thing and he has body armor on, good to know that there’s going to be somebody that can stop them, I love the round just not a ton of uses
@@Soulxlight I saw a few on Reddit and read a few RU-vid comments, I'm just going to go off the bat and not be a douchebag questioning whether or not things are real that I read on the internet, I'm assuming since enough people are saying it it's not a good self-defense round unless you anticipate your targets being armored
The LF198 green tip rounds are available to purchase online. Same bullet as the LF195 that made it through in this video but about 300 FPS faster. When carrying my 5.7 these are the ONLY 2 rounds I carry. I’ve tested both on level IIIa Kevlar and both easily got through. The green tip and the LF195 are the ONLY pistol rounds I’ve ever seen get through level IIIa. And I’ve tried them all. Even the boutique rounds
I'm really surprised by this! I have a Five seven and love it, but I didn't think either bullet would penetrate. Perhaps the greater velocity of the 27gr bullet helped it get through.
Just in case in the rare event of a break in to your home and there’s two perps in single file, ergo 40gr Vmax = 2 shots - 27gr Lead Free = 1 shot for the budget minded except when ya realize those 27gr (M&P only) can run ya near or more than $2 each! Then it’s a 40gr $1.20 double tap. Lol I hope you didn’t get serious about that one! But there’s some truth to silly comments, Ex: This Ammo is very pricey and not something ya practice of open minor class with 200rds min every Saturday if you want to be able to shoot your other guns. While it seems there really isn’t Ammo to compare to as it is unique for a production round, the glass demo doesn’t justify the cost per round with casing type and all together. The Dies are already available for reloading and I’ve read the casing, while a high pressure type, is pretty thick and shouldn’t have issues sending the original plus 2x’s RL before the neck is too thin. **Right now is not what I’m talking about in this crazy pandemic buying craze and the 57 through the roof like a 338L on two of the types from FNH. I’m talking about even several years ago when I bought my first Black one and was still confined to “leaded” full weight target filled mags from American Eagle (always the Federals) as they were still breaching 30-31 bucks a Box ‘O Fitty from only a few retail shops if not online. Even back then it was appx 55cents per pull on a gun that had equal or less flip than the 22mags. I bought another 2nd gen (might not be called that but the older FN FiveseveNs had some minor differences including no frontal cocking ribs and several internals like type of material for spring and the trigger assembly default lb pull, etc. So last Xmas I bought the newer version in I believe FDE color or brownish pre-Covid and pre-Ruger. FN (A) - $1,089.99 FN (B) - $1,399.00. Ammo was creeping down et al $24 per target boxes of 50. NOW I am not optimistic for the following whinings; Covid PANIC buying STILL putting nearly all online stock completely out around a couple hours after posted. Gotta have my auto site alerts SMS’ing me on large broker- type websites such as AmmoSeek.com , Grab a Gun. Alamo etc. This is 95% FN SS1198rl’s or the 197’s and the Federals. All have a large gap between them and the good stuff as far as ft lbs / FPS and ANY sort of penetration especially when I’ve clocked a few 197’s at appx 1600fps. There are no ballistics to test when the numbers tell you to just look up a 22mag and 17hmr and don’t have the bragging rights it so often gets in the huge media hype. Owning 2 and having spent probably several thousand on Ammo historically my firm opinion is that there IS a reason why this gun sat in the corner alone basically since 1990. It’s the TYPE of ammo load you use to get out of just plinking at paper minus 50yds and into different realms. Never once used it for any USPSA - IPSC Steel Challenges as it still wont have a class to its own and you can easily duplicate or beat your times within just the Rimfire class for pennies on the dollar and as most know, to be ranked or even close to those on paper with A, Master, or G Master you WILL first have thrown live in practice weekly for 150-200 min and the other half dry practice inside the garage or living room with any of the late apps now even on Phones. So prohibit 1 today is en mass panic buying. Then the newer ext mags of 30 rounds while paying prices usually for high power long guns. I think I can store buy 6.5CM nice quality shelved rounds for less (for certain if you want the REAL Ammo that this gun’s specs, ballistics and bragging reviews are based on). Off the cuff I know your flat shooters and zipping by your chrono M at close to 2600fps AND getting about a 7% variance max is the (for M&P) FNH 5.7x28 SS197LF and possibly the same prefix but in SS191LF if money, I mean memory serves correct here. And that rounds up Prohibit whining line 2. And 3, by just how the industry ebbs and flows is the out of nowhere Ruger 57 that had a crazy opener beyond all their forecasting for Dealer shelf consistently. The ‘ole great U.S. name we trust and the immediate lobbyist style reviewers putting “Half the Price, All the Deliverance” always at the header and Footer of hard copy and net builds. And predictably, they WERE right around $600 and small change. If you’ve turned your back for a mere “Read that already” you’ve now seen those take a creep or run to about over $900 once you square up with Uncle Sam. They won’t ever hike it to FN’s name sake pricing but I bet they’ll have your $1,000 for being the lackey and doing too much worthless studying. I’ve fired 100rds recently with a friend’s and while I LOVE Ruger for what they design and even owe them for advancing so much in comp’s via new Mark 4 turned race gun with Volquartzen parts prices add to over double the price of the gun itself. They do good what they do good and it’s no guess work or the popular RU-vid guy with two mouths, one ear, (and a gun for part 2) lol. My non bias side x side use of both for over a non stop hour is it’s Trigger. Actually the trigger group esp, the sear. Reset is longer and after a decent wall depth then comes the gritty creep. Just enough to blame any mistake on Ruger of course. But really, nice out of the gate engineering/design that is not a copy cat. Iron sights are too opinionated less they are stock Glock ones. And mine get Trijicon or C’more Railway parallax free Red Dots not to trend but rather to fix an unfixable problem... my eyesight has deteriorated so fast over the past 2 years that I feared a tumor or a blind future. No way to focus irons and target and centering 3 dots even if you blur the rear sight properly. Red dot saved me. Dot on spot, pull 3.5 or less lbs and back to sub MOA’s at 25 and even 50 with my H&K Elon Musk engineered Smith work and internals. That was the last 2 cents I don’t have anymore for the prohibit list nagging my optimism for those coming back and landing on earth as Elon proved it CAN happen. “Sorry bout the novel of Best in Class negativity”. Started on the original GOOD question of the after life of a bullet that did go through, then used Siri to save my gun thumbs hoping there is something that adds value for someone with good enough eyes to read it all. When all was said and done, more was said than done, as it defeats a one time paid gun price even at 2/3 that of the only other when it takes both gun prices combined to get to a level equal to at least confidence that you’d place top 5 in your NEW class as I wouldn’t think anyone would by these guns in this chambering to shoot at paper and pay someone to do that and the Ammo I have had mostly disintegrates on hard surfaces like it should for protection without over penetrating if a house situation warrants it and you have kids in other rooms etc. So even your favorite landscape away from the guy next to you indoors with a 500 win mag, You’re still depending on access to the M&P type Ammo that just happens to also not disintegrate because it’s the only Lead free with aluminum core for easy pimple holes in BP Glass and the black tipped or base of bullet for AP rounds that WILL be doing something after full penetration and that could make that outdoor spot to bring all things metal and hated round the house. Mine are gone if the ammo stays anywhere near what it is after we stop sneezing on each other round the world. Why? Because all the civilian Ammo is more geared for defense with slower FPS and low penetration to an extent. For those of you who say your reason is for a high end awesome self defense carry or home gun, you may or may not have forgotten that you’re gun goes in a bag and leaves with the police on a perfectly legal defense situation and stays there for the complete processing of any crime scene no matter the type and that is a very long time. To get it back, if you can, you’ll want and need a civil rights attorney to do the slow snail mail series of forms that seem to get lost or at best near the bottom of the priority pile and think over a year easily, not weeks or months speaking with experience. Use a gun you can lose for that. Just a dependable simple effective gun that your subconscious hard wired auto pilot defense doesn’t fumble with. With all the anti gun legislation trying to be pushed and outright loud threats from the likes of Biden and co. We may not have a budget for exotic bullets in the future.
Good point, the object of using a bullet that will penetrate bullet-proof glass is to immobilize the guy on the other side of the glass. I read about a test on ordinary auto windshield glass and the driver definitely would have been impaired.
There's a reason velocity is squared in the formula for energy. Some guy named "Ackley" also had something to say about the importance of velocity and declared the 220 Swift (pretty much the same as the .22-250) as the deadliest caliber ever invented... "The 220 Swift... Ackley backed up his claim with actual tests on armor plating and live animals complete with pictures. He fired at a U.S. half-track that had 1/2 inch thick armor plating with three calibers, A military round of 30-06 Armor piercing that penetrated only .07 of an inch, a .270 Winchester with high velocity 100 grain bullets that flatened out and a .220 swift factory load with 48 grain bullet at 4,100 fps. The Swift puched right through the 1/2 inch thick armor plate. This astounded even Ackley who therorized that the bullets high rotational spin had a lot to do with penetration. The rotational spin was a fantastic 212,916 revolutions per minute. Sound familier? Fast forward to the U.S. military that went to the 62 grain .223 bullet out of a fast 1 in 7 twist for more drill like penetration of helmets many years later. And that was not all to this story. Akley and his friends not only hunted deer but had the opportuninty in 1948 in Arizona to thin out herds of feral burros that weighed as much as 600 pounds. They were wild burros that had been specially bred to be as big as Missouri mules by Miners years perviously. The fellows participating in the hunt were all armed with weapons like the 30-40 Kraig, 30-06 and German 8mm. They all laughed when Ackley showed up with a .220 swift but Akley only smiled and promised not to use the gun if it proved too underpowered. Well, when Akley unleashed hell on earth the rest of the hunters saw burro's colapse like they were hit with bolt lightning as far away as 600 yards and even gut shot burros colapsed in their tracks. Soon everyone was screaming to get a turn at using one of the most deadlist calibers on earth. I remember reading articles by others which seemed unbelievable at the time of even Grizzly bears being slain with one shot. Many new calibers have been invented since those days and with todays new super magunums perhaps using very light weight bullets of larger caliber we might have a combination that would beat the old .220 Swift but since no one to my knowledge has tried this we will have to wait and find out if some newer , bigger caliber can equal this feat of the .220 Swift of so long ago."
+Bart M You have to remember that muzzle energy isn't all that matters, but MOMENTUM as well. Shoot a high velocity tiny weight bullet at a watermelon, and see what happens. Now shoot that watermelon with a slower moving 12 gauge slug or 00 buck, and watch it be absolutely obliterated into mist.
Michael Pan the 40 grains are probably 17-1800fps and the 27 are probably around 2200fps. The military grade stuff is all about the core, aluminum or steel, and thusly penetration. Its also looking at the t6b ammo which resembles a sabot round from a tank and will penetrate anything shot of plate armor.
also, you fired both the rounds that are usually on the shelf, but there is also the red box 5.7 that is "supposedly" law enforcement/military only. (but then again, so are eotechs) I see the red box stuff for sale all the time. I'd like to see how that stuff does if you get your hands on some :) Great vid! Didn't know the Vmax vs hollow points would be considerably different.
Pat Rogers, a former NYPD officer and combat veteran Marine, is a highly respected firearms trainer who has also commented on the use of small caliber PDW’s like 4.6 and 5.7 mm: ”Multiple rounds are required to incapacitate. This means significantly more training, which translates into significantly more ammunition expended, at a higher cost per round and with limited sources available. To ensure immediate incapacitation, brain shots will need to be emphasized. Which requires more training, and also more insertion of luck into the equation- especially dealing with multiple opponents. Limited capability within the system means engagement at anything outside of CQB distances may be problematic. This means movement to objective, egress etc will present a whole new range of difficulties. The gun is easy to shoot and fun as well. This does not always translate well to real world applications. If there is a single reason why these platforms are in any way superior to the M4 FOW, it is not apparent to me.””
Love to see what a .50 shoot from something like a Barrett would be cool, also see how far back you can go before the bullet fails to go through. You could also put other stuff in front or behind the glass to see how much damage the round can do after it's energy is absorbed by other tough objects.
Armour penetration is dependent much more on speed than overall energy. This is because the force is concentrated into a much smaller area. That's why the. 45 didn't penetrate much at all.
Joshua Lansell-Kenny true but that slow fat ass bullet will break your bones while a rifle round might just blow right through. With bodies slow moving rounds have more time to build energy and cause a ripple effect. Rifle rounds have great energy but it can be lost by blowing out the would channel. The good news is that they tend to take about a 3 inch hole with them and that's never good for living.
If you really have that kinda money laying around in your pocket to spend on this fancy gun then by all means buy one BUT if your budget is just under $300 then get a Russian Tokarev tt33 7.62x25 the round is hot and it can penetrate level 3 bullet proof vest. You can find that video on youtube. Very reliable, feels great in hand and has the stopping power.
Would you be willing to try 308. or 5.56? I think those would be interesting to see. If it's a pistol caliber, I suggest 7.62x25/7.62x38r! Since those are rarely tested I have seen.
i agree with this guy! the tokarev round is a beast. i know itll go through iia like butter, but i'd love to see how it would do on glass. now i dont think the nagant round will do anything, it moves wayyyy too slow.
The Tokarev is a perfect one to test. I think he's just looking for pistol rounds, or it'd be 50bmg FTW. The Nagant revolver is a pea shooter. As a Nagant revolver owner, I'll say it's a fun little unique revolver. It'll give your trigger finger a workout like it's never had before. And it has about the penetration of a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun.
Chmonkiky salinas 22 magnum is a lot cheaper and just as plasticky. I RIP on a lot of glocks because they can melt and can not even take a 380 to the frame. The 5.7 is a cool gun but for the money I want metal. And dont start with polymer is better. Bullshit. New age metals are far superior but we never demand the future when the past sells to well. The 5.7 is like the px4. Who wants a steel slide. Crazy people.
5x7 is super deadly. Definitely a special operations type of pistol lol, pretty dangerous for self defense I feel like. Would still love to own one just because of how beast of a pistol it is. Plus they had it in black ops, lol. Demolition ranch shot 3A body armor with it. Bullets went through like butter. I was like holy shit...
@@maxnaz47 I bought ten boxes when it was $20 for 50 - on Gunbroker saw them selling $500! My 10mm only costs $.40 a round and I'm not looking for bulletproof glass punching with it. Still, I like the 5.7.
If you haven't done a 22TCM that'd be great... watching your vids helps me sale certain ammunition and what not at my shop. Now if someone asks, "Ye but will a 5.7 pierce bullet proof glass", I can say yessir! Thanks
Wait wait when and why are they trying to ban them cos I’m seriously trying to buy one but not now.. but if they are trying to ban it soon I’ll just hurry up and get my hands on one
I’ve tested the 40 g vmax I don’t like them at all but the 40g hollow jhp does okay thru soft tissue ss195 is my most common nonplinker but the ss 198 is the best next to black tungsten rnd
There's much more to this weapon than just its ability to penetrate. It has virtually NO RECOIL when you fire it, enabling you to STAY ON TARGET FOR THE NEXT SHOT. Any of you readers ever actually HOLD a 5.7? It is LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT. When I let people handle mine, they are always amazed at how light it is, even when holding 21 rounds.
That's what I was thinking. Hitting it with one round bay show it's capabilities. But it seems to me the glass could be defeated with several shots in the same area. That I would like to see.
bain5872 yeah but the fmj in the US is just lead core real surplus has a metal jacket with a lead envelope and a mild steel core not designed to be AP but to make lead supplies last longer
Correct me if I'm wrong here, I know very little about bullet-proof glass. But considering this sheet of glass has been shot a number of times already, isn't it's integrity severely compromised already? It's like bullet proof jackets, once one has taken a round, the manufacturers HIGHLY recommend getting a new jacket... the same with motor sport helmets too, even micro-fractures in the outer shell will reduce the product's efficiency by a considerable amount.
+Elite Ammunition, Jay Wolf Can you post a video demo of your ammo vs FNs ammo, i would want to see the difference before i drop big money on rounds i have 8,000 rounds of the Vmax
+TheID357 3 different rounds where just in stock. It sells out faster then we can manufacture it. Sign up for our E-Blast and you will be notified when it's in stock. Simple.
I don't know if you have tried a 22TCM yet, but I put them through cast iron skillets like butter. Try it if you haven't. Then, please try the Tokarev caliber 7.6X25 and see how that one does. It has more creds than a .357 mag anyday. And kicks about less than a 9mm in a perfect size frame, from Zestava.
I figured if either had a chance of getting thru that the 27 grain hollow would be it. I was NOT expecting either to go thru tho. Very impressed at the 27g. I figured the V-max would never get thru because it would just shatter. The tip on the Vmax is a acetylene, not nearly hard enough.
+yoursoulismine thanks bro I just google it dough I seen that thanks dough man that fn like its on crack lol I seen it mess up a bullet proof vest!....you know how much they run in price?
7 mm Makarov barely reach 1200 fps, and deliver almost the same energy as a .380 ACP. So, it's slightly faster and barely weaker than a .380 ACP. You just can't pierce through a bulletproof glass with that thing. On ballstic gel tests, the Makarov penetrated slightly further than .380 ACP.
This would be a good test for a few of Elite Ammunition's offerings. I'm confident their solid copper T6 would zip right through, probably followed by their 27 gr. S4M and even their 40 gr. "Penetrator" which is a hot-loaded American Eagle slug. All of my American Eagle has been "reprocessed" to deliver the 40 gr. FMJ at just over 2,000 fps, the 40 gr. V-max at just under 2,000 fps, and the 36 gr. Barnes HP at just under 2,200 fps. I would expect any of them to pass through that section of glass.
I used to shoot IHMSA . We found that on paper a .223 got to and maintained higher velocity and FPE at distance but would not consistently knock down a ram at 200 meters. Seems energy must be transferred to be effective. We weren't shooting through the steel, it just seemed like the bullets would transfer the energy into self destruction before they could push a ram to the topple point. Not being made of steel, I wouldn't want to be hit by any of them.
Oh and a 22 tcm with the 5.7 and 22 hornet comparison video i know with the bullet proof glass the 454 casull went through it do the 460 and 50 ae and 500 mag on the glass
