Amazing job providing an entertaining AND informative video on both the SCAR-17 HPR (MK20) and some excellent data on using devices like a Kestrel and Advanced ballistics!
Dang I love these videos! I have a 'few' (cough, cough) boxes of Hornady 147ELDM (and other caliber and weights) bullets in my reloading room for my 6.5C Bergara that shoot 1/2 MOA over H4350 with a Federal match primer. I'm old (only in age...not in spirit). My almost 68 year old eyes are not the hawk eyes (20-10) of my youth but I can still get the job done. Those pesky clay pigeons at 500 meters lazed don't stand a chance. 😀 Thanks for bringing us along Ray! Much appreciated!
Glad I stumbled upon this video, it enhanced my knowledge and interest in long range sniper style shooting. My rifle is configured very much the same as the one in the video, but my rig is in .308 and only half the $5,000 cost; but I love it and I’m getting great results with my “entry level” setup! I’m also set up in .22 lr for sniper style shooting out to 100 yards. Thanks for inspiring me to engage in this new phase of rifle shooting!
I have a reciprocating charging handle version of the same rifle, with the same optic. I run a dead-air Sandman K can and it doesn't over gas the way yours was here. Mine is a great rifle. I went through PR 1&2 at Rifles Only last fall with it and fell in love with the setup.
What a cool tool... Precision chromelined barrel, seems like an oxymoron... but times have changed. Gas guns do great accuracy work in a realm that had been exclusive to bolt guns, not long ago 🎯 Your videos always feature cool firearms, Thanks for sharing.
The mototech engineering scarberator or 3 position gas block is a superior option than messing with jets in my opinion. Gives you on the fly adjustment ability and is easy to use and install. Would highly recommend.
It’s very tried and true system. Medal of Honor recipient “Sgt. Plumlee” earned the award using the 20s. The 20 has been in service for a couple of years now
The one issue with the SCAR 20 is the pricing scheme between the reciprocating charging handle, and the newer NRCH. For buyers who dropped 4K on the rifle just a few years ago, only to see the 6.5CM come out, then learn that barrels are 1700 bucks, the newer bolt is *350 bucks each*, the firing pin is 60 bucks, and the NRCH kit is almost 1k. After doing the math, you're hard pressed just to buy an entirely new SCAR. If you're suppressing that baby, she would benefit greatly from the Scarburator from Mototech Engineering. Eddie is a stand up guy and a true innovator. I can't recommend that product highly enough. (I haven't seen the entire video all the way through. So, if you mention it, my apologies!) But, yeah, since FN is so heavily focused on govt contracts with the SCAR, a fully adjustable gas block is an afterthought. Apparently, taking inspiration from the FAL would've been too 20th century for them. Lol
If you intend to keep the rifle suppressed, I strongly advise you to install a smaller gas jet. I can't say whether it improves your groupings, but it does greatly minimize gas to the face. I got mine from Parker Mountain Machine. Still functions flawlessly on both settings suppressed or unsuppressed as well.
Yes especially if using a baffled suppressor instead of a flow-through suppressor. With a flow-through suppressor, there should be no need to change the gas jet. I was suprised the details of the suppressor make and model was skipped in this video.
It’s best to do that with the tuned smaller factory gas jet or one of the new adjustable systems like KNS makes. It makes the rifle a dream to shoot suppressed and really saves on parts wear. SCARs are incredibly durable but can be sensitive to bolt speed. It’s an easy part to switch and in a factory part as well, just takes a little time to make sure you get the right size.
For your long range filming, have you tried a spotting scope with the ollin magnets phone adapter? All the hunting channels use them, it’s a cheap alternative to a hug lens. BTW…you’ve got great content.
Great video. Happy to see people realizing 6,5 creedmoore is considerable better, mainly DMR's, than 7,62 NATO - which I also love including for 600-800 yards.
Awesome video with great info. I enjoyed actually seeing a good video on the MK 20. I have one in 308 with the NX8 TReMoR3 and love it! Im not far from you in Arden and always appreciate your videos. I was unaware of speed drop and learned alot. I think I need a kestral now, been using the horus app and weather meter.
I had the exact setup before they went to the nrch, same scope, same rifle. 1 moa is about the best I could consistently achieve, Larry Vickers had the same result, about 1 moa. I bought the Knights Armament SR25 APC and went to .65 moa consistently. However, the price doubled with the KAC SR25. The Scar 20 was a great rifle though, but in fear of damage to thermals and NV, I decided to sell it.
You bought the first (SR25) and second (Scar H) most overrated rifles in all of history. If you have an SR-15, you’ll have the trifecta. Both the GAP and LaRues will outshoot the SR-25 day in and day out. When they first made the SR-25 (and for some time after) they were using Remington’s REJECT barrels. I have an SR-15 and have time behind the others (have 3 large-frame larues, but mostly dislike mark) so I’m pretty objective.
@@OFFICIALUND I’m hitting sub moa groups easily, most of the time .75 moa with the SR25. Pretty good for a reject as you call it. However, there’s some pretty highly trained and respected experts that would laugh at what you said. Most of the rifles and equipment I hear people running down are the most respected and most expensive, like Knights Armament, FN Scar, HK, LMT, Nightforce, Schmidt and Bender, etc. I’m glad I don’t have to be the guy in the room who’s running these companies products down!
@@stevedavis1850 1) Fanboys are not experts. 2) I didn’t say they weren’t ok rifles…I said they were overrated. 3) .75MOA? 5 shots? (3 shot groups do t count). Here’s your exercise: grab 25 rounds. Shoot 5x 5 shot groups. Come back and tell us what the average is. I’m guessing it’ll be about 1.25. Contrast with GAP and Larue, which would do about .6-.8 over that regimen. Read Bryan Litz’s articles on dispersions, group size, etc. very few “sub MOA” rifles are actually sub MOA. FWIW, I have had to send back one (out of literally more than one hundred) rifle due to complete inoperability, and it was a KAC. They blamed it on a bad BCG which they then admitted was made by a subcontractor. We know they don’t make their barrels. So, you have the very heart of a rifle not being made by the company that sells it. Do they make cool looking handguards and receivers? Yeah, but they’re not even making the “working” parts of their rifles.
@@stevedavis1850 P.s. I have 4 Schmidt & Bender PMII 5-25. I really like them. They lack a locking ocular ring like Nightforce has (have 3 NFs, too), but to me (this can be subjective) their glass is better than NF. Tangent Theta is king of the rifle scope world, though, and sadly I don’t have any of those. As for LMT…LMT makes a lot of KAC’s stuff. I have had three QC issues with LMTs. They didn’t finish chambering a 300BLK barrel, so if you ever had to clear a chamber, you had to mortar the rifle because the bullets were stuck in the lands (and the cleared round would be partially pulled from the case). Then I had a bad bolt catch: there was this weird textured “nipple” left on it that would prevent you from being able to release the bolt. 3) I had a receiver set that was so poorly finished that it wouldn’t close. So I’m not real positive on LMT, but I once had a piston AR of theirs that was awesome. Sold it to justify buying the aforementioned KAC.
Great review. Enjoyed watching and listening to someone that knows their stuff. Yes. it is an expensive gun, and kitted out with the scope, and extras even more so. But for it's designated task I think its' a great combination and to quote you " I would not like anyone shooting at me with this gun" I totally agree! .
Great video. Your gas regulator was at the 2 o'clock (un-suppressed) not the 10 o'clock (suppressed) the entire video. Might explain the extra gas in the face.
Beauty of a gun! Glad you got your glasses! Ya know the common tool for ER removal of metal splinters in one’s eye? It’s various gauge needles you WATCH and feel poke your eye. Don’t ask how I know. 🤓
Good buddie sold me his old fn special police rifle in .308 and shoots 168gmm in .30”…it’s the older 1 non adjustable stock non fluted barrel…24” 1:12 4 groove..1” tapered to .980” at muzzle…have the 110gr varmageddons at differing speeds upto 3500fps…my 6.5prc 130tmk that are absolutely nuclear only run 3220fps…
Thanks Frederic! I don’t really post on FB or IG that much but when I do it is thexring channel on IG. Thanks again for the support and watching the channel.
Adding the 6.5 chambering to this rifle helps out alot my buddy had one in 308 and for the price I was not very impressed and the twist rate wasn't good for heavy bullets which was a weird fn decision good video as always
The gun seemed amazingly quiet from the video, even without the suppressor. I was incredibly impressed with how quickly it could be used at different range once set up, and how accurate it was. I have spent twice as much on a camera body, and two and a half times as much on professional video camera, so it's a matter of perspective I guess.
Hi Ray, On the speed drop shooting at distance you mentioned yards not meters, is speed drop then in yards? Just to confirm as I usually work fully in metric, mils etc..
I have both barrels in 762 NATO and 6.5 CM and swapping barrels is straight forward. I have swapped barrels to see just how off my vortex razor 6-36 scope would be about 10x shooting 3 round each time and for my 20s, the 7.62 barrel was 2.7 mils high at 100 yards on average above center. I usually use the 762 barrel since 6.5 is just way too easy and more forgiving at 700-1000 yards. It possibly might promote bad habits because there’s a margin of error that .308 doesn’t have at that distance as you know. But I need to be on point with .308 at that distance. I haven’t take it out to 1100+ yards. My local range doesn’t go out that far. It’s nice but expensive.
Sig Sauer produced the 716 G2 DMR in 308Win and a 16" barrel with 1:10 twist. offered in 6.5CM with 18" barrel for only 1 year. out of production in 2020 as Sig was ramping up for MCX Spear contract.
Picked up a SCAR 20S in 6.5 Creedmoor. Had a major issue with being over gassed. Suppressed (sig and silencerco), even with the stock gas regulator in "suppresed" setting, it bucked hard. I had to work hard to get the 1/2 inch groups. Added an aftermarket gas regulator, and pow, soft recoil and easy all holes touching @100m. Plan on an after market gas regulator.
You're half right. Out to about 700 yards or so the scope over bore height in the ballistic calculator won't matter. The further out you go, the more precise your measurements have to be. If this measurement isn't right, you will not connect at targets beyond and think something is wrong with your ballistic solver
@OFFICIALUND If i knew how to do a video and post it here, i would be glad to. If you would like to se d me your email address i would be glad to send you all the pictures of the targets i have ahowing what my FNH guns can shoot.
So, I normally don’t get into the middle between commenters. When I was competing in heavy division I actually tested almost all available gas operated .308 platforms to include, HK 716, Larue, KAC, LWRC reaper and the Scar 17. I did exactly what was listed above except I did 4, 5 shot groups. The winner with 168gr and 175gr Federal was the SCAR 17. Average groups were right at 1moa. I am not a fanboy but I choose what will give me the best results. Needless to say, I competed with the SCAR that year. 👍🏼
@@XRING Sounds like you got an exceptional SCAR. The ones I’ve been behind/shot are good (as I’ve said), but are extremely susceptible to drift as they heat up over strings. Most are 1.5MOA over the regimen I described (all 175SMKs and usually 175FGMM).
Damn sweet !! Which is better barrett m82 or this? Thinking of getting .Could u suggest?I had m16 for more than 10yrs. Now i'm interested shooting long ranged
My next Scar. I put in a 6.5 CM DSB 5R 20” barrel on my 17 before the 20s was made mainly to use as a dmr. It’s fitted with a Schmidt Bender 3-20 x 50 PMII Ultra short in a 34mm Spuhr qd mount with a 6 mil cant. The 20s will be the NRCH in 6.5 CM and will have the Schmidt Bender PMII 6-36 x 56 scope in Ral8000 on another 34mm Spuhr 6 mil cant qd mount.
I like that your scar here has a more mellow FDE on the upper. Mine I got right when it became available is a far lighter almost golden anodizing. Personally, I’d prefer what you got going on on this one
#Question Hmm .. I doubt I'm the only one that can HEAR that bullet flying through the air and hitting!? Maybe the sound stage he has going in this video with the microphone but I cant usually hear the bullet flying through the air. @MK20 pretty good mid-tier gun. I'd give it a solid C+!!😉
I Built my AR 10 in 6.5 Creedmor with 22" Heavy Barrel, 15 lbs... I would like to lighten it up, searching Barrel options.. I always enjoy your Videos, and share your Videos with my Shooting friends.
This is my first time viewing your video on the MK 20. If I'm correct, this is a gas operated system, if so, none of us shooters have ever been fans of these systems without a pston. Technology has improved to incorporate the Piston, which eliminates gas blowback. A $5000. dollar rifle and no piston...that my friend is a Dealbreaker in ourcircle, and for good reason(s). Still, a fun video to watch, which proves my point. 😊
Awesome review. Do you know if FN has changed their stance? In the manual of the 16 and 17 they tell you the selector switch is sort of for clean and dirty environments and list in the back some where not for suppressors and suppressors void warranty. I am sure with this they probably changed it but curious.
@@XRING FN sets the gas control screw size to accommodate a wide variety of ammo that's available. If you're only going to shoot the Hornady, choose a gas control screw that affords you reliable cycling in both suppressed and unsuppressed scenarios. You'll need a set of pin gauges to measure your current gas control screw. The LOP and cheek riser doesn't require depressing the buttons to increase the LOP or height--something our boys in NSW noted during their Sniper course in IN. Cheers!
I have a Ruger American hunter 6.5 creedmoor , of course I opened for the long bull barrel . I top it off with a vortex 5-25x56 1/4 moa diamond back tactical . My hope is that I could possibly get my scope matched to the rifle like you did in this video .
Very great and clear review sir! I have a scar20s 308 and upgrade NRCH with sure fire MB. What's the different 20s vs mk20 ssr? Thanks for great creating education videos.
