Listening to this podcast is like having a personal friend offer to come over to your house a few times a week to enlighten you on all things health. How can anyone in their right mind turn down such an offer. Thank you both for sharing this life saving content. I LOVE how doctor Barnard has the ability to simplify the most complex topics.
FACT: I did Keto a few years ago and felt horrible but did lose about 60 lbs in 6 months, then gained it back. I am now HIGH carb WFPB vegan and lost 100 lbs in 5 months
I end up in the 50g per day range....but it's due to my seed and nut consumption. I put 2 tablespoons of flax, hemp & chia seeds in my oatmeal just about every day. Also a 1/4 cup of walnuts. But I really try to keep any other fats to nil or an absolute minimum. My saturated fat I keep below 10g daily.
walnuts are super great, what you're doing sounds awesome. If you can afford it you may want to get organic oatmeal as just about every oatmeal is contaminated with glyphosate round up chemicals. I switched to organic and its helped tremendously with bloating and indigestion i was experiencing with non-organic
Chuck and Dr. Barnard are easy to listen to. I lost 50 pounds on the McDougall diet. I listen to all the whole food plant based Doctors on RU-vid to stay motivated. Great videos keep it up gentlemen!
For those who struggle with peanut butter: PB2 was a real savior for me - its peanut butter powder with the fat removed. Finally, I could have peanut sauces and things like that again.
Agreed 👍. Same for me. A jar of pb in the house was a total hazard, but the pb2 only gets used in recipes/ batches of nice cream. Initially hard to let go of nut butters (to those of us who they are a problem for), but I can attest that the HCLF diet feels worlds better. Worth the switch.
@babycakes8434 I liike to make peanut sauce with it for stir fries and to dip salad rolls in! Also can be added to aotneal or smoothies, homemade energy balls, cookies, other baked goods, or just mixed with almond milk and used however you would use peanut butter:)
Love this podcast my daughter has endometriosis am going to get her to watch this video thank you doctor Bernard and Chuck I love listening to the exam room
I appreciate your program, Chuck, and the very informative people that are your guest speakers. Understanding the differences between all the different kinds of fat has been a challenge, especially on my journey to reach my ideal body weight. Thank you, Dr. Barnard!
It’s reassuring to hear that some fat is required. I was never so sick as when I truly went fat free. Just some olives make a huge difference. The problem with the nuts is that they are “roasted” meaning mixed with oil (usually soy or some vegetable oil) and put into an oven-the nuts aren’t fried, but they might as well be. Consider eating only nuts that can be eaten raw or prepared in a way that doesn’t involve “roasting.”
This video is full of biased doctors looking forward to bass anything that's not vegan. When. Vegan eats shit processes food like Coconut yoghurt. and Veggie chips. Mocks meat high in saturated fats vegan doctors say that is Heather meat. When the coconut oil has 87% saturated fat compared to cheese is with is only 21% saturated fat nice logic vegan doctors will say sugar is healthy and okay in moderation, even tho is linked to many diseases however they will try to blame everything in the meat and processes meat as if it has the same Health affect so they will tell you to avoid them at all cost but they will say whole food plants base is the healthiest contradict to this by taking B12 iron and DHA vitamins A and D idoine as supplements because they know the diet is not optimal for these nutrients and say is the healthiest diet in the world
@@jackson1342 the fact is Coconut cold pressed oil is the most natural way of extraction of oil that's not undergone any heat treatement. U r aware, I hope, about its high level of temperature due to which foods fried in this oil retains its nutrients. I am sure u hv observed how much qty of fried food we tend to gobble down without a thought, JUST TO SATISFY OUR TASTE BUDS, instead of eating to provide natural nutrients to keep our body healthy. This is how we hv to choose the most natural form of cooking which not only retains the nutrients but also allows one to continue eat tasty foods for healthy living and not for satisfying your taste buds. So opt for shallow frying the patties or burgers and eat is along with equal amounts of salad a/w fresh greens. One cannot go wrong with such holistic method. Regarding processed Cheese-, too, eaten in healthy proportion cannot go wrong, ever. Good day gentleman. Namaste 🙏
@@jackson1342sadly I think you are not grasping the full spectrum of facts regarding health of self / animals and planet. Don’t give up trying to understand because having an open mind is helpful to grasping the full picture of how to be well for the longest term.
I just want to share my just over 3month experience with being a (whole foods starch-based) no-added oil and low fat vegan. I was worried about my skin drying out and being constantly hungry, but this has not been the case at all. I get great satisfaction, enjoy the food, and within the past 2 weeks or so began to notice what appears to be improved skin quality; this is not only on my face but my body. It is not dry at all, but very bright, smooth, clear, soft and “fresh” for lack of a better term. The texture, appearance, and moisture level has improved. As a matter of fact, when I went on a beach vacation about a month ago, my skin did not even peel. It usually does peel, even though I always use sunscreen. So technically the skin benefits probably started sooner than I officially noticed a difference in its quality. I don’t even eat fatty whole foods on a daily basis, only every so often, maybe once per week. But what I do eat daily are legumes and fruits and veggies high in vitamin C like broccoli, brussel sprouts, broccoli, citrus, bell peppers, etc.
Re skin not peeling in sun: My husband is not vegan or vegetarian, but ever since he started drinking green (mostly kale) smoothies he has never gotten sunburned (not even red) even after a long day on the beach in the Caribbean.
Flower girlie you are going to face vitamin E deficiency in a few more months. Unless you include ground sunflower seeds in your diet. You get vitamin E only from oil in modern diet and you have cut that out.. which is ok.. even I have. But eat ground sunflower seeds daily then.. Use cronometer to see what you are missing.
Glad Dr Bernard replied to my comment. I've been on a standard ketogenic diet and now I'm going vegan. I have been following some Vegan Keto channels here on RU-vid but it is a very restrictive diet I have found it very difficult. Really to what extent should we restrict the consumption of grains, cereals and legumes just to lose weight, right? I'm slowly getting back to consuming my whole carbs and that makes me happy.
Hey Chuck! Congratulations on getting Dr. B to join you full time. That’s gonna be awesome! There are lots of news stories talking about the shortage of baby formula in stores. Isn’t this the perfect opportunity to have an episode on the benefits of breastfeeding and where Mothers can obtain HUMAN MILK vs. Bovine? This is well known in rural communities, but this awareness was held back from us city folk. I’m also reminded that there is a class action lawsuit out there regarding cow’s milk formula and a condition called NEC. Can you talk about this condition and what studies were done that enabled this action? Love the show!
This is a very good discussion, thanks. I have a very limited, measured amount of chia seeds daily. I also got a little more fruit and my nutrient level is looking excellent. When I first went whole food-plant based, I didn't watch my nutrients as close as I should and it's probably even more important when running a calorie deficit like I did back then. I am building good leg muscle now with resistance training and also doing cardio. Also being more careful about sleep hygiene, as some call it. The last of the lifestyle improvements for me. All about habits.
@@sanjam11 Some people subscribe to the belief that it is necessary to consume omega-3 and chia has that. I view it as if I'm eating chia for calcium, it's nice to get omega-3 but I don't go out of my way for it. The evidence for omega-3 benefit is definitely very limited and only population studies. If there was a very large amount of consistent population studies and they included plant based forms of omega-3, I would care more.
Thank you to Chuck Carroll and Dr. Barnard… you two are the Dynamic Duo of vegan 🌱 presenters and podcasts! The Q & As are packed with useful information!! I always learn something new- and I’ve been studying and practicing veganism for 3 years. Keep up the good work!
There is no healthy fat as far as I am concerned. I have been whole food plant based for years. I never ate oil and my only overt fats were nuts and seeds and occasional avocado. My cholesterol never went above 145. I developed calcified aorta, ischemic spine, calcified heart valves, and hbp (though I never ate salt when I could avoid it) Now I get my fats from greens and oats and sometimes chia for thickener. I have MUCH more energy...my cholesterol went down to 127. My blood pressure is going down...for the first time in years. I owe this change to Dr. Peter Rogers and his videos. I never understood how harmful fats are until his explanations.
@@joanneclark8256 well...a lot of keto people are NOT doing ok. The answer to insulin resistance is to drop fats. Some people do ok on anything. They won the gene pool lottery.
@@betzib8021 you are saying a handful of nuts and seeds gave you high blood pressure and calcified arteries? i find that hard to believe you didn't already have that from your former diet not the wfpb diet.
Dr Barnard deserves the congeniality award for the wfpb doctors, but for a deep dive into nutritional science the crown goes to Dr. Fuhrman. According to him, moderate amounts of nuts and seeds (1.5 to 3 ounces daily) is health promoting. Better to limit grains than nuts and seeds. By the way, I eat moderate amounts of nuts, seeds and avocado daily and my BMI is slightly over 20.
Yeah, this is the only part where I disagree with Dr. Barnard, his views on nuts and seeds and certain saturated fats. Nuts and seeds are important to have and should be had preferably in raw and sprouted forms unless a person is allergic. Saturated fats can actually be beneficial when consumed as whole plant based foods.
@@sectionalsofa Sorry it was deleted. Here is what you wrote again: "rjb 112 I've heard him say it a number of times in interviews and lectures. (there are many online) Generally, he says that at his retreats he has his participants (who are most often overweight) consume about a half ounce at each of 3 meals. But he's also said for those who are thin and athletic, they may be able to consume as much as 3 ounces a day."
Thank you, Chuck, one of the best interviewers. A learnt a lot Bu your correct choice of questions 👏. Especially copper & Iron content in the vitamins for women after menopause hit the spot🤗 I've recently lost my mum because of Alzheimer's and I've already begun to forget. So scary. Posted to my health fanatic son these podcasts. We will get Dr Barnard's latest book as well. Very useful. Thanks alot🙏🌺🌟🕺📚
Oh, so if I avoid oils and fats for years before the menopause, I might be not too bad during the menopause itself. That is encouraging. I hope it will be true for me.
Um...just eating the little amount of flax and nuts can put you well over double what Dr Neal said. Cutting out all nuts and seeds from my diet that is almost entirely whole plant foods and I am still around 25 grams of fat per day. So then are we supposed to eat nuts and seeds or not? Me eating the small amounts that I do, along with the other fat in my diet, puts me at 56 grams per day on the average day for 2,100 calories, or about 24% calories from fat. Then what am I supposed to do for getting my calories back up if I cut 270 calories of nuts and seeds....that also take away some minerals, fiber, protein which pushes the caloric drop closer to 400 calories? Throw more fruit and potatoes at it? What about the loss in Vitamin E intake that I have to make up? You want me to pop supplements now? Love you Doc, but what are you smoking? How can one even maintain the proper omega 3 and omega 6 balance with what you are suggesting is the right amount of fat in the diet? My saturated fat is around 8 grams or less per day so that is nice and low and what I do get is from nuts and seeds. Even 1.0gram of that is from Bananas that I eat (according to cronometer).
Dr. Barnard would say that yes, ideally you should cut out all nuts and seeds. I agree with you that for people not losing weight: this is going a bit far. Also, the science really isn't convincing. People eating a bit of nuts and seeds daily have better health than people who don't. Check out Dr. Greger on this topic.
"are we supposed to eat nuts and seeds or not?" It's best to only use them as a garnish, never eating them by the handful. In Asia they grind it up and sprinkle it on salads.
Hello and thank you all PCRM for all the work!!! I have a question. I’ve been vegan for 17 years and always consumed nuts in small amounts due to high fat content. Dr. Barnard recommended small amounts; however, latest Dr. Greger’s podcast provided research studies revealing no weight gain when consuming large amounts of nuts. What is the real truth regarding amount of nuts and seeds intake? I know Dr. Goldner uses 1/2 cup of flax or chia seeds in her smoothie with others recommending only up to 1 Tbs per day. Thank you and blessings! 🙏👍🤗
Well I watched a Dr Barnard presentation on Physicians Committee, in which he speaks about the Lyon study. I am from Lyon so I was particularily curious. What he says is that the LDL in the med group diet and the control groups was the same ( 162 vs 159, so quite high in fact ) and still there was a huge difference in terms of mortality thanks apparently to ALA, EPA and vit C. So it seems to me that it directly contradicts the whole concept of having to lower LDL as much a possible. It is really useless unless the person has a low anti oxidant status. And this can be corrected easily. Studies have shown that mono and poly unsaturated fats change the size of the LDL particles from small dense to big fluffy. Also I read that HDL can be oxidized too and that when it is oxidized, it cannot perform it role of removing the cholesterol from the plaques, so here again, the anti oxidant status is important. I'm trying to be objective, I don't care one way or another, but from what I understand increasing anti-oxidants is the way to go, given that LDL is important for other things in the body.
I absolutely agree-when you add no fat to your greens you don’t miss it after a month…you don’t mids dairy because you feel better; I find nutritional yeast and mixing beans lentils pineapple , brocholli and peas just awesome after cooking them together…I don’t miss meat and my weight is now easilly controlled…I don’t have to diet because my plant-based diet is low calorie but full of fiber, minerals phytonutrients…For anyone who has been I’ll it is the best thing you can do to feel better! DDC MD
Can you do one that covers what foods/meals are migraine safe again. I know the generalized version but what about spices and seasonings? Like salt, pepper, garlic, ginger. What can I add to the rice and veg to make it a little less band? Thank you
I'm not overweight but keeping fats and oils low makes the difference from gaining weight. I sure crave foods w fat though...I had severe endometriosis as a younger woman and estrogen positive breast ca 2x. I sure wish I knew this info when I was young.
MTC coconut is added to d3 supplement...and olive oil 🪔. People who have osteoporosis need more calcium d and minerals...I had cornea transplant doctor told me to eat more Omega for dry eye 👁️
People get osteoarthritis because of too much salt and not because of too little calcium. The countries with the highest bovine lactation products are most afflicted by osteoporosis and bovine lactation products are full of calcium!
When I make brownies or veggie burgers I cook them in the oven on reinforced silicon but still have to use either coconut oil or olive oil so they don't stick. I just put enough to keep it from sticking and brush it on with a brush that looks like a paint brush but it's for food. I switched to stainless steel from cast iron recently so now my oil usage will go down even lower
Eh, should, let me put it this way then. You can't just select where do you lose the fat. So, the best approach is getting to a certain total of fat percentage in your body, which can be achieved by nutrition+exercise. This is why i said that, doing that, you should be able to lose said belly fat. Targetting exercise on belly ones isn't going to work if you don't lose the rest, to a certain extent, nor only nutrition because it isn't magic and although it makes some fat drop, and metabolism to get better, is not enough. Was i clear now?
I did the 3 months low fat vegan and had HUGE improvement in my Menstrual pain. Then Christmas came along and, although I kept eating the same high fibre foods (and whole foods), a bit of fat and animal protein snuck back into my diet. Honestly it was hardly any - 2 eggs every other day, a small amount of cheese, a small amount of Lamb and nuts and seeds on my Oatmeal. I am now in terrible pain from my period today and will be going back to 100% Barnard advice immediately. I have been tracking food and period pain for many months and it exactly shows the connection. PS I have lost 20kg and am fitter than I have ever been since I discovered Greger, Chuck, Barnard about 2 years ago. I'm 51 and I weigh less now than I did when I was first trucked off to Weight Watchers at the age of 12.
The good doctor claims that 0 fat is perfectly ok. But what happens with the absorbtion of the 4 or 5 fat-soluble vitamins, among them vitamin A & D? I have posed this question on a number of sites including this one and VegSource (with which Dr Barnard is associated) and have never ever received any answer at all. I am both confused and disappointed.
Of course we need fat to absorb fat-soluble vitamins (A,D,E). Otherwise we will get to trouble. And we are designed by Nature to eat fat a lot. As evidense of it ia that we have a gallbladder and our liver is designed to produce sensible amount of bile. And the main thing to remember - fats have zero glycemic index. These kind of advice by Dr Barnard can harm many people.
Go figure: 2013 studies hinted higher omegas, higher prostate cancer. However November 17, 2019 Science News Intermountain Medical Center study says no correlation between Omegas and Prostate Cancer but less risk of heart disease. So who's correct?????
07:31 I'm so sad.... Dr Barnard is clearly stating: the coconutmilk in my Indian and Thai curries has to go... ah, well: the word has been spoken. Now live by it...
My friend said that fat doesn't make you fat,I disagree. I got off fat, sugar eggs, meat and oils. I feel so much better. More energy , sleeping better , and much better, took out all milk products.
sugar makes you fat, thats why we have a massive obesity problem, sugar is added to all processed foods. It never used to be and we never had an obesity problem
I wonder why Dr B always says ' keep the oils very low' ...I've never ever heard him add..' or better still, have none at all". I think it's bc he encourages making this as easy as possible and most will not do it if can't go out to dinner.....bit it's also clear that he believes there is no reason other than that, to eat oil.....I'm following a strict Dr Esselstyn diet and so rarely eat out anymore....Chef AJ also says it's impossible to have a meal 100% clean of oil in a restaurant, even if you ask & police it to some extent.....I just wish he would add that to clarify the situation bc many hearing him just say "keep the oil to a minimum" can assume, in error, that oils are good for you if you "just keep them to a minimum:....I'm aware that he made it clearer in this video by saying have an olive instead but ijust think it would be so helpful if he added ..."but better still none at all"
What an excellent podcast! Dr. Barnard is so special, thank you so much. I have a special question and up to now it was impossible for me, getting a competent answer. I do a lot of exercise (weight lifting, running), my BMI is 19 and it‘s hard for me, not losing weight. I also do time restricted eating, eat only from 1pm to 7pm. So I always exercise before my first meal. Now here’s my question: how many grams of fat should be my daily intake. Do I need to eat more fat, because I burn so much? If not, where do I get my calories from? Many thanks in advance.
@@pammckay6805 Many thx! 30 g include all fats or only saturated fats. I‘m on whole food plant based diet and eat some nuts and seeds in my oatmeal. Do they count fully? All fat treated the same or do you differentiate?
In Rhonda Patrick's interview with Dr. Harris, he recently said that the study suggesting Omega 3 might increase prostate cancer have been disproven. Could you comment on this? I am not fomenting conflict, I just need to know if Dr. Barnard knows of Dr. Harris work with Omega 3 and what the thinks of it.
Thanks for this information. I do have a question- Should we be including in our diet daily the following foods with fats: walnuts, ground flaxseed, chia seeds, and pumpkin seeds? I have heard these foods contain essential nutrients that we need. Is that true?
Did I miss it? In the start he said it would be discussed if ppl at risk of heart attacks can eat healthy plant fats & how much ? I didn’t hear it brought up? This is so important to know too. My husband went plant based a few years ago after a heart attack and only has heard dr Caldwell E. on this topic who says no fats whatsoever . But I do wonder if that’s accurate.
@@mcpherrent 😊thank you, I remember that but the question he was answering was for the general population,not for ppl with heart disease. But I’d “assume” that applies to heart disease ppl too .
@@Alykat736 This is actually central to Dr. Barnards specialty: yes, go low fat if you're at risk of heart attacks. I think it's so obvious to him that he forgot to stress it. Eating nuts and seeds (in moderation) however is positively related to health risks for people with heart risk. (see Dr. Greger's 'nutrition facts').
I realized yesterday that I can't eat too low fats. I was just eating ground flaxseed for fats but then my hands got dry and felt tight when I moved them. I'm bringing back more fats like seeds. Maybe nuts and peanut butter, too.
The doctor is fantastic but he is wrong about peanuts. I dropped peanuts and my cholesterol dropped 20 points. I was eating a good handful every day. That was my only source of overt fat and my only significant diet change except for cutting salt. I followed the advice of Dr Peter Rogers to drop my bp. Just being wfpb did nothing for that.
I have a mechanical heart valve and must watch my vitamin K which is leafy greens, blueberries and other good for me foods. How would I work on a vegan diet without so much leafy greens?
One of the things people missed was the affects of fats, whether animal or vegan/vegetarian, have on the gallbladder. One of the main reasons I went vegetarian. I am not vegan because I do eat eggs every so often or cheese. With that said, my gallbladder does not like fats. Same goes for too many nuts, and oils. Cheese and I not friends to begin with, so I only eat it every few weeks when the family goes pizza. If you find your doctor saying we need to take your gallbladder out, try going fat free and vegan and see if that helps. The pain is unbelievable and fat is the root cause. PS: beans are better than eggs but learning to cook them has been a challenge for me. I don’t like process foods which for me are can foods as well as box foods. 12 weeks of being a vegetarian and 13 pounds down.
Remember to soak them for 24 hours, grains too. Cuts the cooking time and takes off some bad stuff. Also, i would suggest rinsing them, some come with dirt that you can't really see until you rinse. When you cook them, you could put seaweed in the water, helps with gas. If you can take off the skins it also helps with that. You can use legumes for many things, to make bread, pasta, spreads, burguers, loafs, crepes, on things like chili, in salads, and even for sweet things (i've ate croissants, cakes, cookies, even brownies or blondies with them and they are amazing if well done).
You are worried about can foods but what about the bad stuff eggs does to your body and considering eggs come from tortured hen ? It's not like you got it from wild hen ,right ?
???? Question Hi Chuck and Dr Neal I have a question on Lipoedema fat which affects a large women population. Nutritionists suggest keto and say whole food plant base foods don’t help the pain and growth of lipoedema, how ever , I started whole food plant based no added oil . My question is ….what is your recommendation and science on this because Nutritionists in the lipoedema and lymphoedema space keep saying meat and animal products are healthy. At 62 yr old I no longer believe I want to consume meat and dairy. .??.? Thank you in anticipation as even after reducing my size by 65 kg , I am stage 4 lipoedema and stage 2 lymphoedema and pain and hyper mobility in my joints really affects my mobility 🙏
For a plant-based diet, how are you going to get Taurine, omega3, B12. and ...... how?! If you want to eat flaxseed for omega3, i believe you need to eat 1kgm of flaxseed everyday?! So how Japanese eat a lot of sea foods and meat but still very healthy?!?!
It’s my first time here from japan . This program is amazing. Some of the food calls for coconut milk for Indonesian food, does it mean that coconut milk is bad for that food how can we replace the authentic smell ? Im kathleen
Agree, also eating fat in its whole form is the way to go. Eat avocados, natural coconut, seeds and nuts . Stay away from oils . They are all processed.
Dr. McDougall commented on this. He feels it CAN and gave an example about people who are in comas (and such) in the hospital where the doctors and nurses rub some needed oily vitamins on their skin to stop them from becoming deficient. He did act like people shouldn't freak out about it though.
From Dr. Rogers: "Our skin is primarily lipid. If put oil (lipid) on skin, it will be transdermally absorbed. Almost all skin creams of all types contain estrogenic preservatives. That's why I don't put anything on my skin."
What about lipo protein a can somebody do something Regarding that period the only thing I've ever seen that potentially works is a study done on Eliminating animal products however if you look at the details they also got rid of almost all potatoes and almost all grains aint. What about doctor pradeep jimadas? Has anybody watched his videos
I missed this live podcast but would love to ask Dr. Barnard if using coconut oil as a body lotion is bad for cholesterol since your skin is such a large organ.
I had a very high cholesterol and nobody mentioned it can be produced while putting stuff on your skin. You produce it by injesting stuff. If you like coconut oil on your skin then go ahead. Just don't eat it. I hate coconut on my skin, it makes me itchy and the smell exascerbate my asthma. Long ago I used to cook with it for a short while because I heard that it supposed to be good for you. But I hated it too, the sweet coconuty smell of my chicken, eww. I might be allergic to it. But if it works for you ten enjoy. To lower my cholesterol I cut out eggs, meat and cheese. I was already low fat, and low dairy. But my cholesterol was through the roof high. It does work like magic.
Checked studies, there is literlly NONe that puts a roof of how many you can eat, there's just no downsides. Do consider that it's not the same if the fruit is in a juice or whole, you need the fiber so you don't get the sugar issue that you're afraid of. Also, eat them alone, not with fats, longer time in the belly, which means more fermentation, which i turn causes indigestion for some people, and also, fat and sugar aren't good together
Our youngest son and his wife are expecting their first child, they are in the mid-thirties and do the Keto diet. How will this affect my daughter-in-law while she is pregnant?
It's not ideal. Short term she'll probably lose weight. Long term you can expect heart issues for both of them and the baby. You can also expect their microbiome to lack diversity. However, I would not recommend trying to interfere.
you didn't really address why a plant food like coconut fruit is a problem with respect to saturated fat and cholesterol aren't those associated with animal fats ?
Mostly. But palm oil, avocados and coconut have saturated, as far as i know they're the only ones that are like this. And really, there's no need to eat them, or you could just eat sparingly i guess.
Nothing is wrong with eating fat in its whole form like coconut, nuts and avocados. They all have fiber , minerals and vitamins. You’ll be just fine eating coconut fruit
I have hot flashes still at 64 after I eat sugar (or too much fruit or dried fruit) or drink alcohol. I read about it in various menopause books in 1980s so am surprised why no one pays attention to it. I had a total hysterectomy in my early 30s, did a thorough research about it, went through enforced menopause without being fed hormones, and it was mostly painful experience. I still produce estrogen I was told by a doctor about 5 years ago. He didn’t understand it.
