The Breen Leader went back to his ship after this scene. He told the Founder that his men need him to help fight off the approaching Federation, Klingon, and Romulan fleet. This was probably an excuse to avoid either being killed by The Founder after hearing her say she wants the Cardassian exterminated (This seems to show that the Breen may be xenophobic but they are not genocidal.) or being captured by Kira, Garak.
The founder just orders her enemies to be executed without bothering to haul them in front of her for a gloating villain speech. She's clearly read her Evil Overlord list and applied it.
@@Gothic7876 the battle is lost, the war is lost. She knows that. this is about making a pile of dead so high there is no winner. Not the Cardassians, not the Federation, not the Klingons, not the Romulans, not the Breen, not the Dominion. If she had the resources to trigger a Supernova the second the allied fleet dropped out of warp, she would.
See, this is how you subvert expectations in a series. I have to say I didn't expect total genocide when I first watched, even from her, but it makes sense for the character.
It definitely shouldn't come as a surprise, I mean, Founders see themselves as gods, exterminating a whole race is all in a day's work for people like her.
“They’re all dead. You’re dead. Cardassia is dead. You’re people were doomed the moment they attacked us!” She did warn us of Cardassia’s fate after Tain tried to destroy The Founders’ home world
@@granudisimo I don't think they ever saw themselves as gods. They were simply doing what was in their nature: what you control cannot hurt you. They engineered the jem'hadar and vorta to see them as gods, that way, they will never turn on them.
The Founders operated out of a sense of intense racial insecurity, believing - irrationally - that other species, unless completely controlled, would one day hurt them. It is out of this persistent neuroticism that they irrationally decided that defiance is worthy of a planet-wide and unending plague, and betrayal is worthy of genocide. The Founders saw all encounters through the lens of their persecuted ancestors, so that, even at the height of their power, mercilessly bludgeoning peaceful neighbors appears, to them, to be justified self-defense. The stories of their persecuted ancestors also came off as hollow, as if their collective consciousness reinvented their past to justify their actions.
The first time the four great powers of the Alpha Quadrant - the Federation, the Klingons, the Romulans and the Cardassians - have ever worked together. A glorious moment.
@@unc0mm0n2 no at this point in time they are still considered one of the 4 powers, its after the war that all of them excluding the Federation drop in power projection.
@@unc0mm0n2 they are officially considered on there tier although I honestly don’t know why. I mean the Breen are definitely stronger than them and there always ignored in the balance of power. Maybe its was never actually a definitive ranking but rather powers that threaten the federation which would make the Cardassians one of them and the Breen not one of them. After the Dominion war the Cardassians are basically non existent however.
I don't think it was a ruthless factor Weyoun had no problem with the order of execution of countless Cardassians it was Weyoun's suggestion to destroy Lakarian City and afterward claim they would destroy another city for Every Act of sabotage. Weyoun seemed more physically shocked by the difficulty of the logistics of planetary genocide and how difficult it would be to carry it out.
@@CarterWills1Weyoun was also promised control of Earth. His suggestion was to eradicate its population to prevent any organized resistance. Gul Duka was the one against that idea. Also when Gul Duka hallucinates imagines Weyoun. Weyoun says that the Dominion would have long ago destroyed Bajor. Gul Duka was the main villain of the story and he was less evil than the founders. Weyoun has no ability to understand right from wrong and just simply does what the founders want. This was a person who would order people to be executed without a second thought, who would send countless Cardassians to die of pointless battle. didn't understand why the Federation would spend time looking for its missing people. give away Cardassian territory to the Breen. the only Weyoun that had any ability to understand right from wrong with the defective clone, Weyoun 6
@@tompearce5418The Dominion's idea of first contact involved mass murder and practically laughing about it. I don't think this was their first genocide rodeo.
The only thing this scene needed was to have the Cardassian Fleet commander chime in at the end. "Our people are being slaughtered, we are going to Cardassia, with or without you".
Yeah, I would have loved to see Gul Evek (a nice bookend for the series) or Gul Madred one last time, commanding the Cardassian fleet as they switched sides.
@@sephservant There's no way Madred would be commanding part of the fleet, he's in the intelligence and interrogation game. He might've even been killed with the Obsidian Order attack on the gamma quadrant. But Evek would've been cool.
@@ComradePhoenix Haha. Maybe he was demoted because for the first few years of the war, everytime they received orders from the Gul in Command, all he could hear was a strange buzzing noise...
Damar says just the right thing to the Cardassian who saved them. It was a perfect way to thank him and be the source of inspiration needed for that moment.
What I love about the Cardassian fleet turning is that it doesn't just happen because of one city being destroyed, that was just the final straw -- it was Damar that started it all. It caused even the military that stayed loyal to the Dominion at least on the surface to start questioning, and then little by little their opposition grew as the Dominion started becoming more and more oppressive in response to Damar's group.
The Breen certainly had interesting time in this war. Join the war, attack earth, nearly win the war, allies turn on you almost immediately, other allies turn on them, war ends.
The irony is, he was right. The Founder was making a mistake by having him executed and by having the Cardassians eliminated. Had they not hauled him out to be executed, Damar and co. wouldn't have been able to get in. If she hadn't ordered the extermination, there would have been enough guards to repel the attack. Her downfall was the result of her own actions.
Not necessarily. In the end, she and the Founders won because they got Odo to go back voluntarily. Originally she mentioned trading the entire alpha quadrant if it meant just getting Odo to go back to the great link. If Damar's assault team didn't get the opportunity to get into the compound, that outcome may never have happened.
Throughout the war the Dominion was upgrading the subpar systems of the Cardassian fleet with better power plants, shields, and weapons. BOY did it bite them in the ass 🤣
Before the federation started to upgrade its ships to defend against the Borg, it seems to me that the cardassians had the advantage in raw power. They just couldn’t keep up as their empire was in decline.
The Cardassians made up for their inferior tech with good tactics notice how the Cardassians all throughout the show keep their ships in tight formations ready to support one another not to mention their intelligence gathering would give them an edge in combat.They'd prob have intel on enemy fleet deployments and supply line, ship weak spots etc.
The Cardassians upgraded their ships. Dominion tech allowed them to solve a few problems. In an earlier episode, the one in which Kor dies a glorious death, we see Galor Class Cruisers one-shot kill Klingon BoPs. In "Sacrifice of Angels" we see that even their secondary disruptors are much stronger as they are easily destroying Federation fighters with a single shot when before the War they had to hit a Maquis fighter several times to destroy them. Their primary Spiral Wave Disruptor cannon is by the mid-point of the War equivalent of a Type XII heavy phaser found on starbases like DS9 and on the Sovereign Class.
BROCA: Wait! You're making a terrible mistake! I've done everything you've asked! I tell you I'm loyal! I believe in The Dominion! No! Wait! I've got five kids to feed! Noooooooo....!!! FOUNDER: Tell that to Kuato.
Actually she told Garak her plans years before. The Cardassians struck the 1st blow and she told him he was dead and cardassia was dead from the moment they attached the founder homeworld.
Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that they would go for the complete and total obliteration of the Cardassians. Came to the conclusion when she told Garak "Cardassia is dead." They probably intended for the extermination of the cardassians once the war was over, and turning the planet into a new great link in the Alpha Quadrant. Who knows how many planets they cleansed and razed before they inhabited them.
I've always wanted some kind of Post-Dominion war thing to honor the Cardassians... they nearly escaped genocide... and no mention in Stark Trek Voyager or Nemesis or Star Trek Picard
@@specialnewb9821 They very likely did, so would Bajor and even the Klingons do in the 25th. Sounds like with the Federation controlling almost all of the Beta and Alpah Quadrants in the following centuries, I wonder if they would ever control all four?
A true victory is to make your enemy realize they were wrong to oppose you in the first place.....to FORCE THEM to acknowledge your greatness (and then you kill them.......only if its necessary). The founder knew how to play the game.
Kira was hard core like that. A friend of mine was in a writing class in college. She asked the professor for ideas on strong female characters. He said watch DS9 and look at Major Kira.
They stopped their warlike nature and were not allowed to field a military for years. In that time, the Breen became known for making quality civilian starships and viewscreens. They also became renowned for creating a form of holosuite entertainment known in the Federation as Breenamation and was later shortened to Breenime once it became really popular among teens all across the quadrant.
I'd be more worried serving on an Akira class or a Klingon Bird of Prey. Operation Return: 3 Mirandas, 1 Steamrunner, 3 Birds of Prey Chin'toka: 1 Miranda, 2 Excelsiors, 2 Akiras, 3 Birds of Prey, 2 Romulan Warbirds, 3 Vor'chas. Chin'toka: well the entire fleet. Cardassia: too many repeat scenes.
I could see something like this happening in France in WW2... like a few days after D-Day, some French soldiers in the Wermacht hear about the Oradour-sur-Glane Massacre, and turned on the Germans... neat to think about.
Ronnie Cox, who played Captain Jellico in TNG was also in 'Total Recall', as was the actress who played Ensign Sonya Gomez on TNG (woman with 3 breasts) .
I always wondered how things would have gone if Weyoun was in charge instead of the female changeling. He was smart, logical, even tempered, but ruthless when needed. She was short tempered and impulsive, which is what cost them in the end. I think that Weyoun could have won it for them.
I wonder if Weyoun's statement that it would take time was the only thing he could say to potentially get her to reconsider that wouldn't get him immediately killed.
The scene where they took the Cardassian away reminds me of a scene in the movie V from 1982 where a Human sympathizer got dragged away so he could serve as dinner.
My guess is they’re normal humanoid but wear the suits due to a xenophobic and isolationist mentality that keeps them motivated to limit any and all information from reaching their people and vice versa
It's a little unclear if they were both firing or just the one. (The first one may have turned to prepare to fire again while the second one joined in a little more quickly, but was obscured.) I like to assume he was joining in, so the Jem'hadar was just like "crap, traitorous Cardies" and shot the guy closer to him as fast as possible.
I was surprised she had them fire on the cities. It seems inefficient. I’d think think they’d have a bioweapon or fast spreading virus at hand. Something that would exterminate them all
The word psychopath gets thrown around a lot as a catch all term for very bad behavior. The reality is evil is banal and they have found that perfectly normal people can do the most insanely wicked things in the right circumstances eg unlimited power. In actual fact psychopathy is a particular personality disorder the changeling here shows love for Odo, psychopaths don't typically do that.
@@Parasmunt Yes, in the way that a supremacist expresses "love" for their own kind. I agree that by changeling standards, genocide of 'solids' is perfectly normal behavior. Odo is the weird one, having not been socialized in their 'great link' as a child.
What is the saying? It is NOT good to be famous on a battlefield. To many want your death. In this case it actually does work. The Cardassians form up on the Defiant a famous ship in the quadrant at this point. Effective creating a new and massive formation from nothing entirely at The Sisco's command. "Come about and head for the center of their lines..".
She lost the war and she knew it like all great evils Nazis, Democrats, Leftists, The Dominion when they're going to lose they will destroy everything before giving up
So I'm writing fics about the Dominion war about the Icarus squadron. They're peregrine pilots, basically. During this time they were wrecking havoc behind dominion lines in the air on Cardassia, then the Cardassians starts to defect. So when the extermination order came, they tried to intercept MIRVs, but there's too many. Then the Dominion deployed experimental fighter drones to take them down, which ends in Heads, Icarus 1 pilot, taking the drones head on, pulling Gs after Gs so much so that Icarus 1 WSO, Tails, gets G-LOCed.
Why did the third Jem’Hadar not shoot at the the Cardassian who was doing the shooting? Also why did the heroic Cardassian pause after shooting the first two?
