I heard that one of the women who played a Cardassian on DS9 would on break stand near the road where school busses would pass by so she could scare the children on the bus. I have a feeling that actress was her. Addendum: I was right, it was Tracy Scoggins, the actress who played Gilora Rejal in this scene.
I like the depth that they gave the Cardassians and that they make individuals actual individuals rather than that they're absolutely all a race defined by a single trait.
It's been said by the writers that the development the Cardassians got in DS9 was supposed to happen in TNG since they were they big bad for the early seasons only to joined and mostly replaced by the Romulans.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich While you are correct, the Ferengi were replaced by the Cardassians due to TNG being set not long after the Federation-Cardassian war that ended in 2366.
@DarkLordDiablos the Cardassians were not a part of the original story treatment. They appear in 2367 for what would have been a one off appearance. It's when the Bajorans are introduced that they got chosen to be the antagonists for the episode (originally it was going to be Romulans) In-universe, they're a second rate power at the time, and are relevant, but out of universe, they weren't conceived until season 4.
As a propulsion engineer i relate to O'brien, and this scene is waaaaay too much for me, it will forever haunt my dreams that i will never find a Cardassian engineer like her to keep me warm at night. She not only would put up with my frustration at tech but take it as flirting... You married too soon O'Brien, too soon.
Not sure they'd keep you warm. Cardassians are shown to thrive in much warmer temperatures so don't need to generate as much body heat, and are sometimes even suggested to be cold blooded. If you don't mind an electric blanket though, a hypothetical cardassian partner would likely be extremely happy.
Keiko: here eat food i replicated (smiles and smirks) O'Brian: I home made this food my mother used to make me. Keiko: ughhh pass She was always just a massive.... Jeremy Hunt.
There are two interesting insights into Cardassian culture here: Firstly, we know from, "Duet" that there's the simile, "weeping like a woman" among Cardassians implying that Cardassian culture does have notions of masculinity that're more dispassionate and martinet as opposed to femininity which is more passionate and disordered. Here it's said that Cardassian women dominate the sciences; we see overtly military/political positions on Cardassian society disproportionately dominated by men. It kind of points to an undercurrent of anti-intellectualism in the Empire compared to emphasis on seeking dominion over others. Secondly, we know Cardassian society is very corporatist if not outright fascist. Dissent is carefully managed on all levels. Rocking the boat comes with sociopolitical reprisals due to constant surveillance and social judgement. Outright irritation and belligerence indicates a loss of composure and a certain level of trust with whomever one flirts. It's very Neo-Confucian in many ways, socialization is based on repression and intimacy is defined by even antagonistic language because it's at least some form of passion. I love it when Star Trek deals with cultural anthropology, what biocultural constants there are and what biocultural patchwork is varied by species.
Corporatist? "If not outright fascist"? You realize that they were literally written at first to be Space-Nazis right? You'd have to be simple to not notice the parallels between how Cardassia treated Bajor and how the Nazis treated the Jews. Never once in DS9 are we given any indication that Cardassia even has a Business sector. Hell they're even more Fascist than the Nazis were because at least Hitler was elected. If you're going to shit on Capitalism at least mention the Ferengi.
>we know Cardassian society is very corporatist if not outright fascist. more like very authoritarian, by the standards of the Federation; whether or not Cardassia still has an economy based on the exchange of currency remains to be seen.
@@jessihawkins9116 so does the actor for Garak lol. Look up Andrew Robinson talking about Garak’s sexuality. He deliberately played him to be attracted to Bashir
"Starfleet code requires a SECOND backup?" Miles: "Lady have you seen this show? I go off to take a crap and half the station just shorts out when I'm not around. We might even need a third back up"
There's a certain bizarre, Bittersweet irony that a man who hates Kardashians so deeply has somehow messed her the heart of flirting with them so shamelessly. I dictated the word "Cardassians" to my tablet,but it autocorrected my spelling and I really don't have the heart to change it.
You could say that the reason Dukat often found more happiness in the arms of Bajoran women was because while he is turned on by verbal by aggressive verbal sparring, his delusion of grandeur and hero complex forces him also desire more submissive women.
@@literallyanangrymoose7717 I don't know man scaly and leathery skin on that part of her, not to mention they may have a cloaca. But you do you bu as they say.
I love this, it touches on something that Star Trek rarely breaches. Inter-species relations. You would think you'd see more of this, especially with TNG's Counselor.
Imagine how awesome this story couldv'e been- miles who hates cardassians, ends up marrying one, with similar interests no less. Always fighting, but fiercely devoted. The conflicts of having a cardassian wife and kid(s) on a station full of vengeful bajorans, molly's interactions with half cardassian siblings. Keiko killed off and never spoken of again.. man it all could've been so good.
I'd rather have Keiko alive. That way she can cope with seeing Miles with a woman that actually appreciates him and ask herself where did she go wrong.
@@darkcoeficient Keeping Keiko on the station or on Bajor was limiting; she's a botanist and they'd just discovered a whole new quadrant. She should have been going through the wormhole on a regular basis to pursue her career and catalog new plant species.
@@nicholassmith7984Ahha got it. Keiko is presumed dead, Miles morns and eventually moves on and this new relationship blossoms. And then it turns out Keiko's not dead. Yet another chapter in _"Miles must suffer"._ Or Keiko finds out about Miles new relationship first and decides not to announce that she's alive - but that wouldn't work because of Molly. So either a big decision for Miles, or Keiko has someone new as well - she was marooned in time with someone and they thought they both would never get back.
I've always enjoyed that while Bashir is constantly chasing after some woman with little success, there are others practically throwing themselves at The Chief.
"I'm not remotely interested in you" - lol, gotta love how O'Brien shoved his whole foot in his mouth with that one haha. Should have just stuck with "I'm married. I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding" and left it at that.
Yeah...Keiko was annoying as hell...On TNG it was OK,but during DS9...i never really got why she entirely refused to teach about bajoran religion..i mean,science AND religion work rather decently in most countries on earth...But at that point she did not know that Sisco is pretty literally space jesus...@@renerpho
@@NashmanNashRemember, Trek tended to be a narrative about moral and ethical dilemmas in real life. The debate of teaching religion in schools, or even a certain political ideology, is still an ongoing debate. But it is largely believed it is unethical to teach a specific religion to students as it could be considered proselytism. It was in the history of many colonizing nations to introduce their religion to other cultures as a means of assimilation. Imagine the outrage if they started teaching about Islam in public schools.
@@roadkillz78 I dont know where you are from,but in germany the islam and judaism are usually part of public schools schedules..just the most vital basics of course,the prime focus still being christianity Also..wasnt Keikos class made up mostly of bajoran kids anyway?
Everything we saw between Miles and Keiko revealed the two to have very little in common. She was even away for extended periods of time because her professional interests had no relevance to being on a remote space station. It would've been more realistic if the two separated on amicable terms and we got to see Miles hook up with someone like this Cardassian engineer who shared similar interests as he did. Given O'Brien's history of mistrust of Cardies, it would've been especially rewarding to see an arc based with this woman.
If they had gotten together can you imagine the storylines that could have sprung up during the Dominion War? Her having very mixed loyalties, not being trusted, perhaps even hurting Miles's career.
There's no such thing as getting separated on an amicable terms when you have kids, despite what you've heard. You don't know how that's going to affect them, and things would have to be pretty bad in the relationship for a broken home to be the better scenario.
They would've had a lot more shared interests in engineering systems. Everything we saw between Miles and Keiko revealed they had very little in common.
@@rh906 Andrew Robinson and Alexander Siddig both endorse it - they even did an audio reading of Garak/Bashir fanfic. Andrew Robinson even said he played Garak as not straight from day one.
Deep Space 9 did a great job at deepening the concepts and cultures of alien species. The Ferengi, Cardassians, Bajorians, and Trill and even Klingons benefitted from a wider understanding of cultures, histories and personalities outside the expected norms. In this episode, this was an underatandable fuckup on the Cardassian's part. O'Brian is used to being around multiple cultures and having to deal with them...but she isn't. Cardassian is both expansionist and isolationist, meaning they don't often interact with those outside their species. O'Brian didn't react to her advances because he was assuming this was just her being "her", while she assumed he was interested because this was the norm for males on her world...and forgot he was human until he pointed it out.
'I assure you I am- quite fertile. I could provide you with many healthy children if- if that's your concern but quite frankly I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself' Write that down in your notebooks ladies _write that down it will be on the quiz later_
o'brien MUST suffer, even if it's from "success" (or at least the closest he is allowed to get to it before the malevolence that even the crystaline entities and pah-wraiths shy away from hears about it, that walking yet satiated disaster of course being Keiko O'Brien). The man's single handedly saving every quadrant of the galaxy keeping that particular sentient contented.
From what I can gather, Cardassian courtship is based on dominance to an extent but also a back and forth, a battle of wits or at least who can talk the other one down first. Arousal comes from confidence and agreeableness even in a platonic atmosphere. Lol, man why on earth Cardassian soldiers pursued Bajoran women instead of just engaging in recreational hoo haa with lady soldiers is beyond me.
This doesn't seem that much different from how it works on earth. She was shit-testing O'Brien, to see if he would put up with her shit. When he was confident, firm but not mean, her ovaries began to tingle.
Miles is an old soldier with battle-inspired racism towards her species. And somehow, due to an epic case of cross-cultural misunderstanding, that combines with his technical skills to translate into a panty-erasing rizz that we mere mortals can only dream about.
Kinda interesting. It's implying that if a cardassian male is showing interest in you, he does it by acting aggressive and domeneeering, and it seemed like she fell into line and became submissive. So, if a cardassian *wants* you, it's a possessive ownership sort of love, vs acting friendly and less controlling meaning that they don't care about you as much. And thusly, showing disinterest/ambiance is actually a very direct way of showing a lack of interest, as opposed to humans who are a little less militaristic in their passions.
Love and hate are often cited as being both sides of the same coin due to the passion and attention that both require. Cardassians seem to take this concept to heart. Gul Dukat, arrogant even by his own species' standards, nevertheless would not accept that Sisko genuinely loathed him: he only ever interpreted the grudging respect that Sisko was all but forced to acknowledge as being expressed through Sisko's hatred and adversarial confrontations as opposed to buried deep, deep within it. This, along with the video, give us a much clearer perspective on his relationship with Kira from his side also. The only times he's genuinely angry to the degree that he loses his composure is when he is looked down upon or outright ignored by someone he doesn't consider an equal or superior. I like that each species has a psychology that each persona based on it has to at least roughly abide by. Gods I miss such writing now!
I've been going through a lot of DS9 clips recently and I've really noticed how serpentine the Cardassian's are in their movements. Every action is either a sharp 'strike' or a slow 'slither'.
No matter how thick the make up and prosthetics, you could always recognize Tracy Scoggins' face. She has that distinctive bone structure and eyeshape that stands out.
