Forclaz MT900 down jacket (-18C) - Misleading marketing, but a decent product at a decent price

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The Forclaz MT900 is advertised for use up to -18°C, but in reality doesn't prove up to a challenge anywhere near that. However, it's still a good multifunction down jacket at a good price point. For many occasional users, or users in anything but really cold environments, this jacket can certainly be a good choice.
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@shermer75 Год назад

Actual, real world, useful review 👏 Thank you so much!! Really liked the fact that you were able to relate the review to real world experiences, so you can gauge whether this is the right jacket for you.

@hobbestiger73 Год назад

I love to see that someone takes Decathlon products seriously, not just based on the brand perception. Plain and simple, keep telling it like it is!

@QnA22 Год назад

i think the temperature rating really depends on the humidity outside. I live in Mongolia and use it when it's warm. By warm i mean anything below - 22C. Stopping for a few minutes at a traffic light is no issue, and walking around is heaven. No overheating or freezing. When it gets cooler it's also ok, however length becomes its downfall. It doesn't go low enough to keep you warm at the really low temps. For cooler tempos i have some Fjällraven Parka's. Though, those can be too hot. In the end, real leather like sheep is best. Always comfortable, no overheating. Depending on the leather on the outside, being active, like snow shoeing is no issue.

@DieterVanHolder Год назад

Yes you are 100% correct. Humidity determines a lot

@cedrics1220 Год назад

Can you recommend good leather clothing? Cannot find any that Go down to that temp

@grizzlycountry5539 2 года назад

I have this jacket for more than a year and it is great. This jacket is too warm for summer months in south Alps, I use Trek 100 for that. There is a video of Justin using this jacket in Canada at -18 degrees Celsius with no problem. If you buy it, you won't regret it, trust me.

@DieterVanHolder 2 года назад

Using it how? While being active or being static? I'm not saying it's a bad jacket. But it certainly has its limitations and in my opinion the way they advertise it is misleading. Not doing them nor potential buyers any favors

@malcolmisbell9405 Год назад

Yeah totally agree. I have this and also their ultralight down jacket. This is way way too warm for -5c being active for me and I'm ultra thin. I wore their ultralight one at -10 on Duforspitze this year and -9 on Jungfrau no issues.

@maryr8816 6 месяцев назад

Thank you. I have bought this down jacket. I was pretty sure it wouldn't keep me warm under 0° on the camp (i feel often chilly😅)

@fazzaahmed6702 6 месяцев назад

Please tell me about simond mountainnering grey down jacket ... Should i buy it or should i buy forclaz mt 500

@BearGryllsSpoofs 6 месяцев назад

Great start and quality content, but so much is missing from this video. No shot if you wearing it. People WANT to see what jackets look like! Down quality and fill power… The outer fabric D, and overall product weight. Honestly I really love your presentation, and of course top notch production quality. Just make sure to add a bit more of the details of the product you’re reviewing in the next one 😊

@darioduvnjakdroid Год назад

You should test Simond Makalu down jacket and tell us your opinion. Your channel is very good.

@hobbestiger73 Год назад

I had the same question in my mind but my guess is that he did not buy it. The fact that he is NOT reviewing a wide variety of products might well be because he is buying the stuff he is talking about with his own money, which makes his comments relevant.

@backlogbrood2451 8 месяцев назад

I would love to know your advise on static warm layer jackets to actually consider rather than what jacket to avoid. You seem very knowledgeable and I'd appreciate the advice! Unfortunately I cannot make a decision simply based on what NOT to do :). thanks again.

@DieterVanHolder 8 месяцев назад

A way towards an ideal situation would be higher quality construction with less points to let heat escape in combination with a denser, higher quality down filling. Unfortunately that usually means easily double the price and upward. Everything is a compromise.

@dobTriple Год назад

Hey, Dieter! What's your opinion on that Patagonia Nano Air hoody you're sporting? How does it compare to a light weight fleece + a windhsell, like for example the Black Diamond Alpine Start Hoody? I've been wondering if I should invest in a "active insulation" piece. It's just that they're so expensive. I'd use it for short treks in the Ardennes in autumn and winter and "berghuttentochten" in summer. Sorry for posting off topic. 😅

@DieterVanHolder Год назад

I love it to bits and wear that and a slightly thicker Arc'teryx one as my daily driver

@dobTriple Год назад

Hood or no hood?

@DieterVanHolder Год назад

@@dobTriple hood

@mikkosantos7202 Год назад

I’ll be going to Toronto for school and will be commuting. Will this jacket suffice? I think temperatures may dip -20 with windchill It’s going to be my first winter and any advice will be appreciated

@DieterVanHolder Год назад

For commuting this might be ok as long as you're not sitting still at bus stops for half an hour in -20C

@Drew_Pearson 2 года назад

I just purchased this jacket a few moments ago and then found your video! I will only be using it hiking/backpacking/general purpose down to about 10F (-12C) or so. Maybe as low as 0F (-18C) but that's very unlikely. I live in an area that doesn't get much colder than that but there is always relatively high humidity. What do you think about this? Of course this would be my "top" layer in these conditions (maybe with a light rain jacket if needed) while using a merino wool base layer. I like that it's packable, affordable, and has armpit vents. I would really like to hear your opinion about how you think it'll perform and any possible better options for around the same price.

@DieterVanHolder 2 года назад

As long as you're active it might do the trick. But for static conditions it's a firm no

@Drew_Pearson 2 года назад

@@DieterVanHolder good to know, thank you for your reply. I am learning a lot and appreciate your videos.

@panchotheaddict420 2 года назад

Only problem i have is how thin the material keeping the feathers inside is. Are all down jackets like this?

@DieterVanHolder 2 года назад

Mostly yes, because usually they're marketed for being very light and compactable. You'll often see active mountaineers with jackets full with ductape patches

@macsiebb 2 года назад

@@DieterVanHolder I thought I was the only one who ductaped down jacket ;) Cool review.

@swr1n670 2 года назад

Decathlon also has a Simond Makalu down jacket. Do you have any experience with and/or opinion on that jacket?

@DieterVanHolder 2 года назад

I haven't had the chance to test it. But Simond has a lot of very good value for money gear

@stefanogrossi1964 Год назад

Simond Makalu II is box baffle, has more down with a higher fill power and a better ratio between down and feathers, a better hood, a ripstop outer shell and better elasticated cuffs. It's definitely warmer

@hobbestiger73 Год назад

@@stefanogrossi1964 ...and twice as expensive as well. I have the jacket Dieter reviewed here but am currently thinking on the Simond Makalu for more demanding adventures. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this product! :-)

@i_hate_you_tube_rewind_2014 2 года назад

The funny thing is that there is a tent called (Forclaz) MT900, I don't know why they can't give the products different names, like Scorpio, Vienna, Bushman etc.

@DieterVanHolder 2 года назад

The MT is the range. So ppl know these products have similar price and Quality

@DieterVanHolder 2 года назад

@programxxx I haven't. It wasn't easy to get test models of tents last year as there were major problems with the supply it seemed. I'm pretty curious myself and I've contacted them to see if we can do tests like this in the near future. Keep an eye on the channel! :)

@gunjandahiya4113 6 месяцев назад

Will this hold up in Tromso, Norway in March end? Max temp -3 degree Celsius & minimum temp -14 degree Celsius. We will be outdoor at night chasing the northern lights. Or should I go for the quechua -20 degrees parkha instead (that one is bulky though: 1.5 kg)

@DieterVanHolder 6 месяцев назад

I personally wouldn't think so. Depending on the rest of your layers it might

@gunjandahiya4113 6 месяцев назад

@@DieterVanHolder thank you so much. Would you rather recommend the -20 degree quechua parkha or any other from decathlon? I won't be very active in tromso.

@felixwestermeier2681 2 года назад

I want this jacket to use it in mi normal university days, i study in universidad Austral de Chile, in Valdivia, on winter are from -2 C° to 2 C° with a lot of humidity, even fog, to walk to the college , its a good choise?? with a polar inside and a normal cotton or poliéster shirt, i hope not to sweat, although I walk

@DieterVanHolder 2 года назад

For this purpose this will be a good jacket for you :)

@albertogarcien6752 2 года назад

[Useful information of this comment is in english, but I'l greet the man from Chile first] Wena felix soy de Chile tmb :B te recomendaría que tengas cuidado con las cosas de pluma en valdivia, ya que al mojarse o estar en ambientes húmedos pierden mucha de su capacidad aislante. I burrowed from a friend a very thick down parka for a -1°C trip, which shoulda been nothing for the parka. But the conditions were so wet and humid that I was freezing, and my sister was ok with 2 fleeces and a regular windbreaker. Valdivia is extremely wet and humid, so I'll give you the hint to look for "sintethic down" materials. *Decathlon has this trek 100 sinthetic down thin lightwright jacket for just 35.000clp* (~35 usd) and i use it down to 6°C just with a tshirt underneath, so I would really recommend that with some layering. It works even when wet. Por alguna razón no sale en la página y solo sale la version de pluma que sale 50k :v pero si la tienen en las tiendas! y en muchos colores! es exactamente igual a la de pluma pero 15 lucas mas barata. Te recomiendo mil veces una primera capa, un poleron normal, esa chaqueta y quizas un cortaviento normal y estás al otro lado si o si. Saludos!

@uziosovskie719 7 месяцев назад

Can you recomand good static jackets for real minus 20 deg?

@DieterVanHolder 7 месяцев назад

I'm not really up to date on current models. But something with significantly more fill

@abcplacebo 5 месяцев назад

His comfortable temperature at rest should be between 0 , -5 C since the padding of this jacket is approximately equal to the padding of two mt100 pieces MT100 resting temperature as low as 5c.

@DieterVanHolder 5 месяцев назад

Yes that sounds about right

@heni63 6 месяцев назад

Not sure how it was in the past or how it is/was out of Germany but on the website it says -18 active. I'd love some tips on gear for static use. I just bought a pair of trousers that is for workers in freezing temps, 200g/m2 polyester filling, I will see how it is (if the seller didn't deceive me and just doesn't sent an item and keeps money

@DieterVanHolder 6 месяцев назад

This "active" is very misleading in my opinion. I can be comfortable in a t-shirt in -5°C while moving actively enough. But as soon as I stop being "active"... Also sweating in down?

@heni63 6 месяцев назад

Hmm, yes would be nice to know what kind of "active" they mean. Afaik the Down Fillweight is alot, but I guess like you said (kind of) somewhere that the problem is whathow the jacket is made/spacing/thickness between the down pockets or how its called @@DieterVanHolder

@DieterVanHolder 6 месяцев назад

@@heni63 Yep. It's not a bad jacket for the price. It does what the price predicts. I just wish it wouldn't be marketed as something people will take out in -18.

@mezmerya5130 5 месяцев назад

im fine in -18c in mt-100 while moving. this one is too warm. cold is very personal. if you want static jacket, decathlon has makalu.

@DieterVanHolder 5 месяцев назад

You can be fine in a t-shirt in -18 while moving. I still think it's a very doubtful metric to advertise extreme weather clothing with.

@mezmerya5130 5 месяцев назад

@@DieterVanHolder It's not extreme for me. It's also aint extreme for vast majority of europe mountain activities, where decathlon sells things. It's just winter and common sense. On the other hand, i find the fact that all american producers sell sleeping bags by lower limit number, very concerning, including established western mountaneering and marmot, and specifically scammy quilt makers, like enlightened equipment.

@DieterVanHolder 5 месяцев назад

@@mezmerya5130 I agree. Most of the textile industry is a scam fuelled by slave labor. The outdoor textile industry is often just an even more overpriced version of that.

@antben Год назад

The only reason I didn't buy this jacket is because it's way too warm and big. I've been camping in 0°C with a mich thinner down puffy and I was fine.