This 1997 F-SuperDuty has no power steering. Lets fix it, then fix it again. Send us a postcard: Watch Wes Work P.O. Box 106 Fulton, IL 61252 Send us an email: mail@watchweswork.com
@@johndowe7003tie rods sure make it interesting especially when the shock mounts rust off or the shock bolt wears off the upper shock bushings lol but none of that keeps the gm trucks from being driven and worked hard lol
Those “drain pans” are sold at feed stores. Made for feeding calves or horses. Nice because you can set them out and not worry about them getting stepped on.
I was going to say the same thing. It should work for motor oil as well. If I recall, hog farmers like these in particular as the root under them when they become empty.
@@Farm_fab Yup. Basically just a pan that’s pretty indestructible. Also heavy so they don’t blow away. They come in some bigger sizes as well. We have a big one on the back porch for dog water. Used to have a plastic bucket but my wife’s Golden Retriever puppy kept tipping it over and carrying it away so we got one of these big rubber ones. Now instead of tipping it over she’s getting in it and playing in the water.
When out walking and without looking, I can always tell a Ford by the power steering pump whine. I'm long retired as a mechanic but seeing a Ford on our lot when I got to work meant my day was already going downhill. The worst ones were the Dustbuster (Aerostar) or the most loathsome, the Windbag. You can guess the model. Love your channel Wes and full marks for your efforts and commitment to quality work. You are a credit to the profession.
Never understood why Ford felt the need to make several different weird looking minivans in the 90s. The few that are still on the road are in a sad way.
I worked for a rebuilder in "The 80's" who got his start thanks to the Ford power steering pumps. Pure junk. He designed his own competents to replace the original crappy design. If Ford had a better idea, they never told anyone about it.
"How do you turn the lights on? Oh you just gotta be a man." I spit my coffee all over my monitor and desk. I also coughed for 10 minutes. OMG! The BEST line on YT by far! GREAT VIDEO!
Bad case of “ford door” with the rocker delete package, upgraded seats, finger prybar headlight actuation, free floating exhaust, 4x2 with a snow plow attachment! Absolutely MINT! BTW, the power steering problem at 4:40 is an easy fix, the belt is on backwards 🤣
Sold by napa not a sponsor, lol! Great shoutout to Eric O. I think both of you guys are a national treasure. Keep up the great video’s I’m a fan for life.
@@WatchWesWork 2002 s.duty, 4,2tdi. brazilian,. not sold in u.s. i had noisy p/s, so filled, sucked it out, about 4lt.. didnt get all of it. id say original from 2002. done 174 th k,s. turning the p/s pump, brilliant idea.. [ dont tell anyone,,ssshhhhh..]
Every time you sigh about things I laugh because I do the same thing, "I was slightly hopeful that (insert disappointment here) wouldn't happen but I'm not surprised it did."
We had those same rubber pans in the military to catch leaks on our vehicles while parked. I never saw one break or tear and we definitely weren't easy on them. Most were run over on a weekly basis and still performed well for years until eventually they would be lost or left somewhere.
I agree they were awesome. Especially the massive ones for working on strykers. But I have seen one or 2 of them tear before. Rare though. Wish I had some for home
Ford has had power steering pump problems since the mid 70s. I don't understand why Ford hasn't been able to supply a reliable pump for nearly 50 years. They have used Saginaw pumps and steering sectors on some vehicles and they work well but they use the pump hat they've had so many problems with on the majority of their vehicles.
I have to say as a mechanic and also the Scottish version of a “state inspector of vehicles” I always laugh my bollocks off watching these videos. I don’t know if you know what’s involved in a uk “inspection” known as an “MOT” but I can honestly say after watching you for years on RU-vid that maybe 2 or 3 of your customers cars would pass an inspection over here. Basically al the cars I see you fixing would have been scrapped over here 10-20 years ago lol. A pinhole in in metal here is a weld job or no sticker. We probably scrap far better cars here than what’s on the road over there. Anyways it’s always a pleasure watching your videos and your work. Love the channel 👍
I’d say you’re being generous at 2 out of 3. Over here in Finland our inspection would fail any car with frame rot, or significant floor rot, and they take a prybar and give the underside a good whacking while inspecting. Same with brakes, every car goes on a brake testing setup, essentially a dyno operating in reverse. It’s also like the MOT in the regard that every car no matter the size gets inspected, newer cars nowadays don’t need it every year, and museum registered ones are every other year, and motorcycle are luckily exempt, I guess the reasoning is that a faulty motorcycle is most likely to just kill the operator.
Luckily here in Alberta, Canada if you know a good mechanic you can have anything you like pass inspection. I've had more than one vehicle pass inspection without the mechanic even viewing it. That's the way it should be.
I did get some real nice semi loaded calipers for my 2010 Camry, real nice quality and at a steal of a price, Not a sponser. But I'll use them more often when I buy online.
That rubber "drain pan" is a livestock feed pan that you can find at any farm store! When we had horses, we would pour their sweet feed in those, and they would promptly bite them, and dump the feed out in the dirt, so they ended up in the garage as drain pans!
the only ones that who can rival landscapers in sheer abuse of trucks are roofers. at least landscapers have semi legit excuse for rust, roofers just plain dont give an f what they do to truck
When flushing a power steering system equipped with hydro boost. Make sure to pump the brakes with the engine off to discharge the hydro boost. Then suck all the old fluid out of the reservoir. Lube Guard makes a really good power steering additive. ATF+4 and Lube Guard goes in all my hydroboost applications. Even in -20 weather they all operate smooth without the typical cold weather stiffness and noise.
you also need to lift the front end of the floor and turn the steering wheel side to side with the engine off to bleed the air out of the system and the pump will not be noisy
@@xXJoeChevyXx Agree. Some systems just like to be a pain. I do typically get the front end off the ground and cycle it as you said. Usually don't have any issues. Every now and then one just doesn't want to cooperate. End up letting them sit 30-45 minutes then cycle the wheel, check the reservoir, then start it up.
My best advice to all viewers is when your having a bad wait till Saturday morning watch a WWW video and all your troubles will vanish. Thanks for the high quality entertainment, now I must start my work day.
When I started doing furniture removals in the late 80's my boss had two ford d series, one a 6.5 tonne and the other a 7.5t - which had a 1400 cu/ft pantech body with cab over luton or grannys attic and the "power steering" in them was the diameter of the steering wheel. 3 point turns took two of us on the wheel sometimes!
Many, many, many moons before you were born,the company I worked for had several old F-750s with air brakes and an air horns, and the noisiest part of any of them was the power steering pump, followed by the air brakes, and the horn was a distant third. Seems perfectly normal to me.😁
Gotta love the midwestern 'ope' every time you spill something, almost ran into someone, or do anything unintentional. Somehow it's just bred into us 🤣
Great videos Wes! Morske says you need to move to Oklahoma or Texas work on some rust free vehicles should be a whole new world! Thanks for having us! Bullet Bob from Texas!🤠🤠🤠👍👍👍
Ford made an F-250 light duty that was set up like that. After they got rid of the light duty they made an F-150 7700 package which was the light duty in different clothing. I had an 03 with the 7700 package, It had an f-250 rear end, trans, beefed up brakes, and they did have 7 lug wheels.
That's a cool power steering bleeding hack! If you have ever seen the massive V plow that guy has for that clapped out unit, then you would understand it probably sounds normal. 🤣
Personal addition to the bleed hack, Run a longer hose outside of the engine bay and into a container set on the ground. Set three quarts, open in the engine bay. Run the pump with a drill/ratchet/impact. (Left hand) Continue to fill the reservoir as the pump runs it out of the system. (Right hand) If you're really froggy or you have a second hand, lift the front off the ground and turn the wheels while bleeding. If you still have noise after completing this, put a vacuum on the fill side of the res to pull out the extra bubbles. Noise is air. Always air.
I have three late 90's Fords with 460's. Two have never had the power steering pumps replaced the third I replaced at 200k. Tried 2 carquest rebuilds, both made noise and didn't work, tried an ac Delco rebuild, made it six months, finally bought a rebuilt motorcraft, no noise and hasn't missed a beat in over 5 years. Also in 1997 Ford made a f250 with the f150 body and they made an f250 heavy duty with the old style body. Thanks for the videos Wes.
The Ford 1998/9 F250 fiasco has been a nightmare for me (as a '99 F250SD PowerStroke owner) at the parts counter over the years. Part of the problem was that I didn't know about the existence of the other F250 until 5 or 10yrs ago and the parts counter guys have no idea why all those other parts show up on their screens.😤
The heritage body style came out and the larger engines wouldn't fit. The brain trust probably figured out that having a different body style for the F150 is what the consumer wanted. They then created the larger Superduty body. Now they are back to using the same cab for both. Found this statement "The F-150 has been America’s bestselling pickup for 43 years, and a bestselling vehicle for a whopping 38 years. Such numbers are a testament to the F-150’s ever-increasing popularity among truck buyers nationwide" They must know something, I guess. All the brands have issues and do stupid things. It's what you get with book educated engineers.
This pans have been sold for equine/animal feed pails for at least 50 years. We still have some from 1980 and they’ve been in with a horse almost the entire time
They sell those rubber pans at nearly every feed store in my area. So if anybody is looking for one… check your local feed stores. Support your local community vs Amazon. Lol
I always thought they looked great. Probably the cause of my mom having a ‘99 Taurus and my dad having an ‘01 supercrew for many years while I was growing up 😂 They were at least different, in a time where the big three had all been building basically square trucks forever. That ‘01 was also an incredible driver, we took it all over the country comfortably with a family of four pulling a pop-up camper. By the time my dad handed it down to me in 2011, it had 210k on it, and I sold it to a friend 5 years later with 300k on it. Original engine, trans, and transfer case. The rear end needed rebuilding once
My dad bought a 97 just as they came out got a killer deal on his because they weren't quite sure how they were going to sell 😂. That didn't last long they got super popular at the time.
I have a 01 ..hated them ugly things till I picked this one up .. 2 wheel Dr, V6. 5 speed stick, cab & 1/2 4 Dr .. the little SOB did everything I ever wanted it to do, 300k on it's retired but I'm redoing it .. one of them trucks that'll be on my top 5 list and I owe that truck, getting southern sheet metal rebuild the V6, owned many trucks but it earned a complete redo
We had a 94 f super duty with the almighty 460. Towed a 14,000 pound boom lift with it once into a headwind an used a whole tank of gas to drive 35 miles. Anyways these old girls were work horses for sure!
Dang you're lucky Wes. If that was me I'd have gone to get a replacement replacement pump and they'd have been out of stock. And the next shipment would be sitting in the Wang Chung province waiting for the next available boat Expect delivery sometime in August...
How ironic. My son and I just replaced the power steering pump on his '97 F-Super Duty with the 7.3 Powerstroke last weekend. I believe it was the original pump. Unfortunately, I didn't get out there to help him in time. We had to put a new pulley on it after he bent the original trying to take it off using a 3-jaw puller. Most auto parts stores loan out tools. At least he learned how to do it right. Before replacing it, we just routed both return lines into a bucket and ran it dry.
@@WatchWesWork Agreed. I also like to put some of my favorite penetrating fluid on them to help them come off. That being a mixture of pure oxygen and acetylene, delivered through a long brass nozzle. Conveniently available in large bottles.
I think in 97 they made 2 versions of the 250, the light had the 7 lug and the heavy was 8. I remember the oil filter in the destruction path of the front wheel.
Correct, the 7 lug, “new body style”. And the 8 lug, old body style, available in crew cab shortbed and extended cab versions. I have a 97 F250HD OBS CCSB 7.3 PSD 4X4. Great truck!
I know this speaks of ancient times but I bought a brand new 1976 3/4 ton Ford Explorer off the truck . Among other headaches Ford had to replace the power steering pump every month for 10 consecutive months . I voiced my concern to Ford about not wanting to have to replace pumps monthly at my expense after warranty expired . The dealer had a factory rep address the cause . The factory rep after investigating told me that the only pump that would hold up would be a $300 plus Lincoln Mark iv pump that I would have to pay for . Ford would only pay for ome pump till warranty expired . There were so many like issues that I finally traded it off . Enjoyed video , God bless .
I did the steering box on my duramax recently and made the made the MAJOR mistake of letting it suck a little air... And good god! I paid for that one! A couple hundred lock to locks later... You tha Man Wes!
ford, 4 turns your good. duramax,[ isuzu], when will chev ever make there own engines..the 6.5td was a disaster. 1950,s buik petrol engine. fords 70,s v6, in the capri, weighs more than a 298, because it was meant as a diesel. but re made as a petrol. same as chev but different.. 2 engines id love to have, lly/lbz duramax, & a 460 ci . better design than the 454... here in aus, if you had 2000 late model LS engines, be sold in a day..
@@harrywalker5836 I don't think it has anything to do with manufacturer. You suck air into anything with hydro boost and 4 turns ain't gonna cut it. I've owned every Power Stroke except for the 6.7 and an LBZ and I'll take my LMM (with DPF & EGR del) over all of them with only the 7.3 coming close to making me think about.
I have to say, state inspections are a gone issue. However, I see some vehicles that would never ever be allowed on even a country dirt road if they stated inspections up again... Thumbs Up!
@@flowrebaz6189 I thought that state troopers could pull a vehicle for an inspection. Of course, they could do nothing more than lights, tires, wipers and brake noises. That could be enough, though, to get some junk off the roads or repaired.
@@jeffryblackmon4846 I’m talking cars with missing fenders, bumpers(front and rear), smashed in back ends with tied down trunks and such. Even so, I’m Utah, a trooper and cop will pull you and give you a repair ticket but that is much cheaper than repairing the vehicle so most just pay that and drive the dangerous vehicle over and over.
I remember reading an NTSB report on an accident involving a school bus. One non-contributing factor to the accident was brake issues with the bus. The bus in question had a recent 'state inspection' sticker on it and it was eventually discovered the garage that had been contracted to do the inspection had simply 'ticked' all the appropriate boxes on the report without actually inspecting the vehicle. To cut a long story short, the garage is no longer performing state inspections.
If I was near you I would find the biggest POS and drop it off for repair just to hear the comments on RU-vid. Anyone that has ever worked in an automotive repair shop can relate. Reminds me of a day at work over a decade ago.
When I bought my 2006 Taurus a few years back, I fully expected to hear the power steering whine. To my astonishment, it was, and has been ever since, perfectly quiet. I flush the fluid every 20000km (Canadian, sorry...), and it has never made even the slightest whimper.
There was a magic elixer that I had once that when you put just an ounce or two into the pump it silenced all that noise. I used it a few times on noisy pumps and it worked great, no more noise and the pump worked like brand new. It was just a small tube and I used it all up. I went to go get another a couple of years later and could never find it again. I think the maker of the pumps must have bought the company and removed it from the market so they could sell more pumps.
I've heard people use limited slip additive to try and quiet Ford pumps. The best thing I ever did for mine was swapping pump and bracket for one out of a van. (Saginaw pump)
Had a few like that. Took several cycles of working it and letting the air bubbles in the fluid dissipate, do it again. Some never did get quiet again, or I was just more aware of the noise it had been making before ... sometimes you auto tune them it if you drive it a lot. Big trucks/tractors show as much or more deterioration in the northern States. Wisconsin, Michigan trucks often come south with layers of flaking rust, and signs of rust jacking in laminated frames. Makes the truck dealer's detail man groan every time he see's one come in, he's got many hours of work to do before repainting the frames. Chipping, wheeling, needling, sometimes media blasting. Most others just get a steam cleaning and a thick layer of paint.
@@CrimeVid Ya know the ones you used to be able to get at the dry cleaners? Measure about 90 thou. Great for exhaust hangers and brazing the muffler back on.
Wes...the 1997 F250 came in 2 flavors. The f250 and the f250HD. the regular f250 was a beefed up f150 but the f250hd was a true HD truck... My father has the 1997 f250 hd with the old body style and the 351 motor
Man I live in the rust belt. Northern Maine. I thought I seen some stuff in my shop but your projects are something else. We have inspections yearly. On anything that touches rd. It sucks. I belive in them the a degree. Say my grandma she needs someone to inspect her car every year. So she cam stay safe. But say me that knows his stuff and what's not safe and put about 5to7k a year into then regardless no I dnt need an inspection. My fist size rot hole in the floor is just a taint vent. Keeps it cool in the summer. And we'll for winter it's nicely made opening for 30 wire wore harness going to my sander dump body and lights. Damn pencil pushers that sit at a desk think they no what keeps a vehicle safe on the rd. They should worry more about the drivers then the car
there were 2 versions of f250 available in the transition to the Super duty body style. You could get the light duty 250(beefed up f150) and the OBS 250. The super duty bodies were first available as 1999 MY.
Plenty of Salt Belt sketchiness there. Maybe if the remanufacturer put as much inside the pump as the paint job on the outside it would not be so noisy. Thanks for the video, Wes,
Steering on a Furd is more of a suggestion than a steering input. But, if so inclined, I bought a Red Head Steering box for my 02 F250. Pretty impressed with it. Took about 3" of back and forth play out of it and its been about a year.
Found out on my mother's Taurus with that style pump. They recommend bleeding the system with the wheels off the ground, and the engine off. Work the wheel back and forth slowly watching the fluid rise and fall. Was the only way we could get the damn thing to stop howling and puking fluid after the high pressure line replacement. I've also had good luck hooking the fluid extraction system right to the return from the rack/gear. Apply vacuum and fill the pump reservoir till clean fluid come into the extraction line.
Had the same problem sound with a ford explorer, I replaced the pump, still had the noise. It took two months to figure out it was the tension and carrier pulleys. I changed them and no more noise !
Wes, the owner of the truck that you were working on might want to either do a right hand drive conversion or replace the seat. That doesn't look like a comfortable ride.
Oh shit! I almost fell off my chair when you turned the steering wheel and pushed the brake pedal. It talks to cows! I thought a bull was going to rush over and mount the truck. Lol!
Ford power steering back in the 90's was very noisy. I remember my dads 1995 Mondeo the noisiest thing on it was the power steering. Great video Wes. I would love your channel just for the old rotten rust buckets alone. We have the MOT here in the UK which would have sent this stuff to the crusher a decade ago but its interesting to see all this junk still on the road on your side of the pond.
nah, not just 'kids'. more like cheap business owners that cant be bothered taking care of their equipment, refusing to admit when it's time to send beat POS to the crusher
"Structural Seating", brilliant, love your engineering descriptors Wes; keeping the vehicular scenery firmly in the 1990's to early 2000's. Great work and video. Thanks for sharing. Best regards from the UK. John.
I love your videos Wes, I'm always really happy to see one of yours come across my feed.i am also an aspiring mechanic, done a lot of it for myself even today I was working on my Farmall cub 🙂🙂🙂
In 1997 the F-250 was available as a "standard" or "light duty" 3/4 ton, that is the wierd 7 lug F-150 look-alike, or you could get the F-250 Heavy Duty which had the OBS body like these trucks here. The F-Super Duty came out around 88 or 89 as a heavier truck for cab-and-chassis applications. It is basically what thr F-450 is now. These trucks had greater load capacity, solid cast heavy duty front axles, heavier rear differentials and 4 wheel disc brakes.
wes i have a 1997 f477 service truck and several half tons and a f350. they are all loud however one thing i will say is i have had much better luck using mercon v the oem motorcraft fluid seems to run much better and much quieter than other oils. my 2 cents
I love those old F-Super Duty trucks. I believe that they were only offered in rear wheel drive configuration, and that they had four wheel disc brakes. Great trucks.
@@dfranklin3879 All F-Superdutys to 97 were 2x4 only , you could not get a factory F-Superduty 4x4 , F350 cab and chassie yes , I have had 3 F-superdutys , my 1st was a 88 with a 460 and 5 speed 2wd , currently I have a 94 with a IDI 7.3 4x4 5 speed that was a township truck with a Quigly 4x4 conversion with a Dana 70 front and a modified 4x4 transfer case to accept the F-Superdutys drive shaft mounted parking brake assembly , And a cherry 95 XLT F-Superduty with a powerstroke 7.3 and 5 speed . The 94 has alot of cab rot so the 4x4 and dump bed are currently being swapped over to the 95 Powerstroke .
You had the option in '97 to get for an F-250 you could get the the new F-150 style but it was a light duty truck that either had the 5.4 or the 4.6 l modulars in them and they had seven lug Wheels they weren't super popular but they were very useful you also had the option of getting the older body style and it was just called the f250 heavy duty that was with the 460 or the 7.3 powerstroke I believe they also had the smaller engine but don't quote me on that lol. I only know all this because I had a 97 f250 light duty with the seven lugs on it had a 4.6 in it their biggest Achilles heel was the block was made out of cast iron but the heads are made out of aluminum, so they blew head gaskets quite a bit it was only in 99 that they gave you the option where you could go with cast iron for the engine and the heads or all aluminum.
Man, impressive work finding a good angle to film pulling the pulley off. There's never enough room for the puller, hands, wrenches, etc. as is, and you managed a good video of the process. Seeing that long-shank bit made me wonder a bit back to the beforetimes and wonder how we coped before that was a thing. I was sore worried at the runout on the replacement PSP--as this year has been a bad one "that's the last one on my shelf."
The '97 F-250 jellybean truck was known as the F-250 "7700", which referenced the GVWR. My buddy's dad had one. Can't say much bad about it as it was pretty damn reliable, but as a Ford guy, I hate that body style the most, I hate the idea of 7 lug wheels, and I hate OHC engines in work trucks. It wasn't one of Ford's better ideas.
Yeah die hard Ford guy here, but Christ i hate those engines. I don't care about the stories of people with 500,000 miles on them. Or even 200K. I have a few relatives with trucks with two and three valve engines that have insane miles like that on them, and i still hate them lol. "HURR DURR, let's make an OHC engine you hafta rev to the moon to make the 12 lb ft of torque it puts out, and toss it in a truck then tell people it can tow! It'll be hilarious!" These things got any more gutless you'd go backwards slamming the gas in "drive"
