It's not that loud quitting or quiet quitting exist as phenomena. It's that employers are pissed off that employees aren't THRILLED to work for corporations that see them as numbers on a balance sheet. Look at the categories. There's nothing between "Engaged employeed" and "quitting". Which means that the Employers place ALL the responsibility of disengagement on the Employees.
After 33 years of teaching, I resigned during the height of the pandemic due to constant disrespect of teachers and hostile work environment directly correlated to leadership and severe MICROMANAGEMENT. I fully support Quiet Quitting as a tool for UNIONS and those experiencing no relief in their workplace (EG Corporations).
I would have imagined that "loud quitting" was like those Walmart employees getting on the PA system to announce their resignation and dumping all the dirt they have on management there while they are at it.
I was working at an understaffed hospital. I asked for a raise and had three weeks of silence. According to the only manager that gets paid an hourly I heard that the CEO didn't like that someone wanted a raise. She told me his words were they better not be wasting my money. So I just quit.
Quiet quitting is BS. You are doing what is needed, but corporations want to shame you into working more for FREE. The same kind of people who don't pay interns for 6 MONTHS, have created that label from their ivory tower where work is optional and over rewarded
I quit one job because I got tired of the boss lying to me, and I said so loudly and publicly. For years before I did what I wanted to do, ignoring the (local) boss, and rather doing stuff that I wanted and what the management level above my local level wanted. This has to have pissed off the local boss, who was forced to put up with me by the support I had from above.
First of all, quiet quitting is NOT doing the bare minimum, it's just doing your job. But before you were expected to exert yourself, to work overtime, many times without pay, etc. Now, if you don't accept being mistreated, or working more than what you're paid for, they call that quiet quitting. Again, quiet quitting is JUST DOING YOUR JOB.
I'm sorry. I thought quiet quiting was when employees had gotten tired of working for free (no overtime) or doing tasks they are not qualified for or required to do..And getting zero compensation through intimidation!!!
If you bought yourself a Toyota Corolla, you wouldn't expect it to perform like a Ferrari SF90. Employers that expect employees to go above and beyond their job description and pay grade are unreasonable.
Quiet quiting is not workers doing the bare minimum, it doing only what they are paid for. That's not the minimum, there's a huge difference between the two.
“Quiet Quitting” isn’t doing the bare minimum it’s doing just the job you signed up for since doing extra work doesn’t mean any extra pay. For too long employers have been taking advantage of employees and having them wear multiple hats and taking on multiple roles often times being responsible to do the jobs of other employees that either quit or got fired with zero interest by the company in replacing them so by the end of the day you are now doing the work load of an entire team when you were hired in to do only one person’s job and ultimately you only ever get the pay you signed up for. It’s exploitation and I’m glad the employees are finally standing up for themselves.
In New Zealand there is/was an industrial action known as "work to rule" Where workers only do what they are contractually required to do (or, do only the tasks specified in the job description). Everyone quickly learns the difference and its impact on the bottom line... (at the extreme.. maintenance/ adjustment of production machines.. The rule says that "such work must be done by an "engineer" (or other specialist) .. and production is halted until an engineer can get to the machine to adjust it. OTOH, the experienced worker (or his mates) know that to "fix the problem" all that they have to do is "X". production may be halted for a few seconds or minutes.. Work to rule and any time a machine fails, work stops until an engineer can get there to fix it.... Management has been taking advantage of the fact that workers have been breaking the rules and have been saving on engineers (much more expensive than line workers and some of them were standing idle because the workers were "doing their job")... suddenly, they don't have enough engineers to keep up with the issues... and production grinds to a halt.... Less extreme situation.. production just decreases to a "according to teh rules" level, which is less than what they were doing.
Exactly. This is happening where I work. I was hired as an intake specialist, meaning I assess people for their appropriateness for the mental health center. When I was hired I told them as long as I don't have to do the case manager role I was okay. They said no problem two different jobs. The case manager job is VERY toxic and has a long history of people quitting after a few weeks. A few weeks they came to me and said they are combining both jobs because people keep quitting and since I'm a good worker they know I can do it. They also offered me 50 cents an hour for both jobs. This new job in addition added several more duties on top of it. On top of this, they promoted a coworker with less experience, education, and time at the employer over me as well. Oh and did I mention there is favoritism where some can work remotely and others can't? I have other options (I have a counseling license) and plan to leave asap.
I think I did that without knowing it. At my former employer, I put a project together (my idea), realize it, developed it. In 6 months it made millions for the company, Champagne all around, congrats and then the owner gave the project to his son (an absolute incompetent idiot). This is where my loud quitting started. Quickly project fell apart, sales were going down. After 6 months the project was dead. Owner asked me to take it over. I said "Sure, I'll be happy to" and did quit 2 weeks later.
Loud quitting: we are fed up and refuse to be treated like crap, for shitty pay- so the next most satisfying thing is to screw over the company in our own small way
Many years ago I worked part time for a company run by a husband and wife team. I worked for the husband, but the odd time his wife would ask me to do something for her. They were both rather odd people, but the women I worked with were nice and I enjoyed the job. Exactly a year later, on my day off, I went to get groceries because a new snowstorm was on its way. While walking away from the store, carrying six bags full of food, I tripped on something, fell to the ground and fractured my wrist. I managed to get my groceries home by moving three bags a few feet forward, then going back for the other three, and so on, until I got home. It was snowing so there was nobody around to even notice me, much less hear me call for help. It turns out that I had tripped over pieces of metal a construction crew had left lying around when they moved the barrier around their construction site closer to the building. (Once the snow melted it was obvious just how much junk they had left lying around outside the barrier. I took photos of the mess with my camera because I was going to sue them. At one point the guys working saw me and started to head towards me as a group, so I ran away. By the way, the next day that area was totally cleaned up.) I was in a great deal of pain when I got home and decided that I had better go to Emergency. I took the bus. I went to work two days later, after my cast was fitted, although I was still in constant pain. Neither of my bosses mentioned my cast, or asked how I was and expected me to type and file and work as if nothing had happened. Did I mention they were weird? I was given the task by the wife of stuffing envelopes, which had been laid out on a table with a stack of different catalogues beside them. I started on the job. Having learned the hard way not to seal envelopes until the very last, I stuffed envelopes but left the envelopes unsealed. While I was doing this I heard a scream, it was the female boss yelling at me that I was stuffing the wrong catalogues into the wrong envelopes. I pointed out that they had been laid out for me and started pulling them back out of the envelopes. She kept on yelling though, that I should know better by now, forgetting that I didn't work for her and knew very little of her business and therefore had no idea who would get which catalogue. I kept saying no harm done, that I didn't seal the envelopes and was already fixing things. She kept yelling and told me to go work in the office. I went back to the office and found her assistant in there crying, apologizing to me for getting the piles wrong. She was always crying because this woman constantly yelled at her. They had worked together for 15 years by then. Not done yet, the female boss came into the office and told her assistant to take over stuffing envelopes and told me, and I will never forget this, that if she went out the door right now and asked ten people to stuff those envelopes none of them would do what I did. I very slowly stood up from my chair, looked her in the eyes and said, "Well I guess I'm just too stupid for this job." I reached past her for my coat and purse and walked out of there for the last time. Before this I had never quit a job. I actually worked for the same boss for more than 15 years until he moved to another country, we still work together online to this day. I walked home that day, not bothering with the bus, wearing my coat on one side only, not feeling the cold, just feeling free. Sometimes quitting is a good thing. I ended up spending more time on my mail-order business and working for my former boss from home and just taking a break, no pun intended, and being my own boss.
managers need to stop expecting more, more, more, more, more. Be happy with the service you're paying for and quit throwing a hissy fit for a bunch of free stuff and handouts.
The bare minimum of job requirements isn’t “quiet quitting”. That’s just called doing your job. You want more effort and to give people more responsibility’s than their job requires? More money. Point blank.
Unless the initial job description stated what their job duties would be & they don't do it. Saw it in my own workplace. Sometimes I would have to do a job that someone else was required to do so I could finish my job. Told my supervisor & he didn't care.
@@nflegal49 Oh I’ve absolutely been in the situation of having to pick up others slack. I’m not talking about them, I’m talking us: any and all people who work to the best of their ability and beyond regardless of their wage, day after day, for companies who see us as infinitely replaceable. The people who are kept in low paying positions because of how good they are at their job, and then are expected to train a manager (hired from outside the company of course.)
How about some Americans are simply no longer willing to accept a salaries from the 1970s and communing in larger numbers to allow for a minimal existence.
I don't blame the younger generations at all, the powers that be have taken away the finish line. When my generation was coming up we could buy a home and a vehicle and send our kids to school on the money we made from a decent job and you had a decent retirement waiting on you while you were still young enough to enjoy it. That's just not the case anymore and the younger ones are refusing to sign on to a life of debt and squaller, and I don't blame them a bit.
@DANGERMAN-oo5my For example at my job(cough walmart cough), we have this stupid bullsht called "AlIvE aT fIvE" where because we are short staffed, we all gotta drop our current things and go head to the grocery section and tidy it up for 5 o Clock rush-hour store traffic, because management is too lazy to hire more workers and make bullsh excuses like "We can't afford it," for those of us like me who are starved of proper compensation for my labor and practically steal overtime(OT is against compan policy for entry level workers, that's reserved for the AwEsOmE tEaMlEadS) by intentionally and knowingly working past my regular hours(not sit around, so they can't do sht) when I can to get a better looking paycheck, and "we don't have enough hours to hire more people" in order to refuse to hire more workers to help out. So, this business owner is everything walmart is not. How can a multi billion dollar corp "not afford" to hire more people and pay us better, but a (presumed small) business owner can? They wrote another comment about this that is no longer up about their treatment of workers, and it's what I wish I could have at my job. Fck walmart.
@@DANGERMAN-oo5myI accidentally skipped the remaining context... I'm not paid food and consumables. My position isn't "hardlines and consumables TA", my position is "Apparel TA". I'm not paid to work in the food section, I'm paid to fold t-shirts and jeans. I, however, have no choice or I get a warning, 3 coaches and then termination. I would love to do what I'm paid to do. I'm trying to build a passive income but I shouldn't have to work to my 60s to be able to drop down to part time, but in order to get 100k in my high apy for a monthly interest payment of a whopping $345.83 extra per month, that's how long I'm doomed to live this hell full time. At the expense of living, I have to barely survive to build this extra income.
Only in 2023.... Quiet Quitting - Doing the bare minimum required by the job to 'coast' by.... or, in other decades, called 'Doing what you were hired for, and are paid to do.' If you want employees to do more.... pay them more. If the person is hired to answer phones.... don't bitch and moan when they refuse to fetch you coffee. If you ant that person to get you coffee, make that part of the job description when they are hired, and compensate them appropriately. Enough with this BULLSHIT labeling.
I was a loud quitter, the trust was broken by my employer, not me. When I spoke up about it, I was shortly fired. And in Texas, if your employer can show a reasonable reason for letting you go (even if they lie), you will not receive unemployment…
Quite quiting isn't about quiting at all but about only working for want you getboqid for. Not extra work that isn't required by your position or pay, not extra hours. Meaning not be exploited
QQ is just doing one's job. If employers want more from their employees then pay them more. Employers want to pay employees less and get more work from their workers.
Wow I 100% LOUD quit. First I quiet quit because they kept adding more responsibility with no raise in three years. Then I loud quit by telling the leaders they didn’t care about our struggles and lives in a town hall. I got fired weeks later
It is. I hate hearing this term quiet quitting. It demonizes workers for doing what they were paid for. As if employees should desire to do more than what they're being paid for. Like tf?
Forcing people back into the office is the root of all quitting styles - nobody wants to go back, and those that do are either management or corporate real estate lease companies.
Here is the main reason that the American workforce is getting more and more disgruntled. 1970's minimum wage had the purchasing power north of $22 in 2021. Over half of our current workforce makes less than $20/hr and many much less. That means Republicans have over half the people working for less than minimum wage. Of course people cannot even pay their bills with those wages, and certainly have no hope to ever have a decent quality of life. Nobody is going to work hard for that. Republican pandering to the obscenely wealthy did that. Republican "Horse and Sparrow" economics did that.
Loud quitting let's you have the last spoken word. One loud quitter did what I wanted to do and say for thirty years when I worked around lowly evolved people.
I've been reminding the company that I work for that "motivation" in the form of threats of write ups constitutes _actual_ threats and harassment due to the fact they're threatening my livelihood for things that are under _their_ direct control. I agreed to some responsibilities in taking a job with them, working _harder_ as a result from mismanagement isn't one of them. Go through the handbook, identify company policy they're in violation of, tell hr. If they fire you over it, that's clear retaliation, meaning the next step is suing the f*CK out of them.
I like how they call doing what's in your job description as quiet quitting. It's just doing your job. You want me to go above and beyond then that pay better be above and beyond too.
We need a universal basic income. Something large enough to pay everyone's rent. You'd see people are WAY happier, WAY more relaxed. We should've had this years ago. Work sucks, employers suck, bosses suck, traffic sucks, co-workers suck. Everything sucks, it's killing us by inches every day, and sometimes the only cure is to quit.
@@johndwashburn9582 We live in society where people can work their asses off and make a NEGATIVE income, due to the costs just to be alive and participate in this whole bullshit financial 3-ring circus.
As an American who's had many mediocre jobs his whole life, I can say things have somehow gotten worse the past few years. There's a kind of trust that's been ruptured. I agree these pollsters have not quite hit the nail on the head yet with the terminology, but there's something real going on. It's a crisis of leadership and employee respect, something like that.
They expect you to be a corporate simp then call you names when you just want to do your job per your employment agreement. What absolute garbage. No wonder why so many people are finding alternative means to generate income other than a 9-5
From a legal perspective, don't ever claim you're "...quitting" to anyone. Depending on your state the company can fire you w/o having to pay unemployment.
Show me a bunch of people who don't feel respected or appreciated and I'll show you a bunch of people working a job not because they want to but because they feel they have to Humans have exceeded the period of time of work for survival. It's antiquated and unnecessary but we still have troglodytes and religious relics with a puritarian attitude about work that think you have to slave to be worthy of a piece of bread and a roof over your head If you want people to give of themselves you have to get them to believe they are a part of something bigger and more important than themselves but they also can't be in a perpetual state of fear for their health subsistence and well being
I’ve never quiet quitted before. I’ve always gave my all at a job, whether it’s one I liked or hated. I have had enough of the nonsense now though. I am self employed now and am extremely happy in my line of work, but if circumstances change and I have to go back to a menial job for menial pay, I will be quiet quitting as soon as I get hired on. I will do just the bare minimum, and out more effort in obtaining a better job than doing my actual job. Before I accepted this was just the way things were, and you had to learn to adapt in other ways. I know now they extract so much from us compared to what they give that we have the power to demand more.
Quiet quitting: It describes employees who are fulfilling their job requirements, but not taking initiative, working overtime or volunteering for extra projects or responsibilities. Nothing wrong with being one since you are doing what you have been employed to do.
"There are no bad jobs, only bad managers/bosses" Also toxic workplaces. I've had all three. Trust me douchey managers/bosses and toxic places to work are the fing worst.
There is a degree of entitlement where some employees think they deserve the world at work. However there is also an issue with employers in the United States. There is absolutely no way up, no employee benefits, and a shitty wage. This is a result of both corporate lobbying to weaken the power of unions and the internet which has made human talent much more accessible. The problem lies in the fact that society itself can not function unless people have basic needs covered. And if you are spending 40+ hours a week somewhere where they are going to underpay you, then society itself will cease to function.
It isn’t the job or the bosses that bother me the most. The worst part of any job for me will be the customers. With the jobs and bosses, you can leave and potentially never seen them again. Everywhere has customers, however.
You call it "quiet-quitting," I call it "Doing your job as it is written in your job description when you were hired." Remember the 13th Rule of Acquisition: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money." The more it's worth doing, the more money is required. My boss doesn't work for free, why should I? You want me to do extra? Pay me extra.
When I've decide I want to quit some job, I do it by going and telling whoever hired me that I decided I need twice as much money as they are currently paying me (or if I am willing to stay, I think of how much it would be worth to stay.) One employer took me up on it once and I didn't know how to answer, but stayed for a good while longer and felt good about it.
I was abused at my first job, and I was one of the top three employees at the company for four out of my five years there. For my final year there, I was effectively the _only_ person keeping an entire wing of the company running smoothly... and those MFers and c^^^s running the company made sure that the smooth running could not be allowed to continue. So when they chose to fire me (and thanks to the state's right-to-work laws, they did not need even need an excuse, let alone evidence, to do it), the other top employees decided on the spot, without any contact from me before or during this, to quit, one of which I learned afterwards loudly declared, in front of a prospective client, that they can kiss their whole profit margin goodbye because no worker worth their salt will come to the company, let alone stay, ever again. And for the trolls that will swoop in to try to defend those MFers and c^^^s, a year after this happened to me, they got taken down in a massive lawsuit for their years embezzlement, wage theft, and worker's comp theft (I was not involved in the lawsuit at all), and they are still on the hook for the plaintiff's legal fees over five years later. THIS is what I call "loud quitting": tanking the criminals running the jobs. F^^^ them. I only wish I was actively involved in my case, but hey, I ended up serving as the straw that broke the camel's back, and that camel's final act was to kick the rider in the nuts so hard that castration was the end result, so I will take that.
I don't believe it's complicated. It's the tension between the myth of the American dream and the reality of their position. The realisation that no matter how hard you work, how many hours worked you can NEVER become a billionaire.
There is no phenomenon here: People have done that forever and Ana is right: It’s all unemployment rules’ faults! If employees can’t quit and get benefits, than that means they are prisoners of their jobs place. If employers don’t want disgruntled employees to sabotage their business, then they should demand politicians change the rules so that benefits are available to employees who quit. I know they’ll hate having people having that option to quit with support, but then they have to ask themselves, which do they hate more: Losing employees because they don’t offer good enough pay, benefits and work environment or keeping employees that will tell their customers what the management really thinks of them and how they are screwing them over?... They are gonna get one or the other; so they might as well chose which they prefer. And yes: Grumpy staying fits it much better.
People who go above and beyond rarely get recognition or bonuses. They usually just get the tougher assignments and an extra work load instead. Its their managers who get all the recognition and bonuses due to increased productivity or making deadlines. There's no incentive, so why bother.
Nobody could ever top my co-worker's quit ❤ She emerged from the women's washroom wearing only her goth boots , grabbed the company's logo flag from the wall, and held it high as she ran through the warehouse sized low walled open cubicles. God bless her!
I'm pretty sure Gen X has been quite quitting since we joined the work force. I go above and beyond when my employers prove they reward merit which is few and far in between.
I got "loud" laid off after 3 years of loyalty at a company who said I was an "essential employee" during the pandemic but was apart of massive lay offs last month while in my last trimester of pregnancy, losing my health insurance. Super cool.
Society is collapsing, and the poor are feeling the pain more than people who are more insulated by money. This "loud quitting" (and agreed the term is horse-dung) is just people who see their business and their bosses be absolute lunatics, and they protest. Since work places are patterned on institutions like factory slavery and even prison management techniques, that is "insubordination" and the idiot bosses get upset. Young people still think they have a voice, and they express that in the workplace if they're dissatisfied. And suddenly that's "loud quitting". Capitalism is such a shitshow. We could have a golden age with the tech we have, instead we're watching our society disintegrate because sociopaths have stolen control of our collective fates.
I was being harassed by a work director at work. She was trying to get me fired. She gave me crappy work. Was giving me other peoples work. Just trying to make me miserable. I left.
My department at work is toxic and my coworkers are quitting by basically not coming into work and saying over the phone they are quitting or coming in and saying it. It's pretty funny. For me, I am seeking another job but what I am doing is just the bare minimum. I worked hard for a year and my "reward" was to get a job added to mine, a job I never wanted (yes they combined two jobs into one and the other job has duties I stated when I started would not do), and seeing coworkers with less experience, education, and time there being promoted over me (one is now my boss).
I think a lot of people are just burned out, especially in healthcare. It’s hard to make change when exhausted. I feel for everyone-management and non management. There is a lot of systems issues at play that most have little control over
We also want to be treated with respect, real respect, not the bull#$@ that my manager does. As he walks by, he asks how I'm doing. Think about it. To ask a question of someone and not wait for an answer or engage in a response shows no respect. I'd don't believe in pat answers like, "fine", "okay", etc. If you don't want to know, don't ask. I'll have more respect for you if you're honest.
Can we please, STOP calling people who QUIT their jobs for one reason or another, “quiet” or “loud” quitting and simply, call it what it is! PEOPLE QUIT THEIR JOBS ALL THE TIME AND THERE ARE EMPLOYEES WHO PERFORM at or above par at their jobs. Why all of a sudden, has quitting a job become some sort of a fashion statement?
i bust my back at my job but will trash talk the bosses and the company all night long in front of customers and other employees on a daily basis. i am at a job with chronic health issues that are horrible to live with but i couldn't get disability. so since i didn't get it i took any job i could. so not only am i suffering physically everyday but also am being tortured at a job i can't stand.
In my state, if you are fired for a valid cause, you can’t collect UI; however, you can appeal and if you have a good case to prove you can prevail & collect.
I recall the bean counters coming in during the rise of six sigma...the study of efficiency of man and machine in production. Ultimately little to no investment went into the modernization of machinery (in my industry) while the number of employees in each crew was reduced to achieve more profit. It neglected (or disregarded) the need to take into account, human wear, breakdown of one's body and illness. I have no problem with the optimization of manufacturing to allow for competitiveness but when it only addresses the reduction and abuse of human capital...it's an issue and actual abuse.
"What IS stressing out the world's employees? Gallup's survey does not ask for specifics"- and the part they left out is that Gallup does not give a flying fuck why employees are stressed. Because corporations and managers do not view employees as human beings. They are drones. Assets or liabilities. Numbers on a corporate balance sheet. Their only value is monetary, because in America money IS value. And since the overwhelming majority of businesses view their ONLY responsibility to be "make as much money as possible regardless of how", they literally could not care less if an employee has a bad day at work and goes home and kills themselves, because now that employee who had been underperforming has taken care of itself and neither quit nor was fired. So now just hire a new asset, because people are interchangeable. No one in America are individuals except corporations. Corporations are people, and people are not people.
I manage a clinic, if my employees are doing the bare minimum, that's fine. They'll get a "meets standards" on their evaluation. That's not quiet quitting, that's doing the job they get paid to do. If someone is actively disengaged, that sounds like job abandonment. Do they mean someone who shows up to work and just doesn't perform their job? Yeah, I think that would get you unemployment payments pretty quickly, lol.
I have inspired 2 exoduses by loud quitting. Speak my mind, call people out on their shit, and my coworkers left in Solidarity, effectively shafting the management
