Forspoken on PlayStation 5 - What Works and What Doesn't - DF Tech Review 

My only issue is when he pulls out these old and obscure references that come across as annoying and pretentious to me.

@@MegaLPlover Example?

Right.

@@MegaLPlover so having knowledge is pretentious now

hes very detailed but somehow for bad games subjet always come to how the door look thats funny doenst matter other detail look at the door and you understand.

My only complaint about Unity in terms of presentation is the lack of dynamic time of day.

It is a gorgeous game, I wish it had this jumping ahead of its time in gameplay mechanics too, these feel really dated for today's standards.

@@EarthIsFlat456 Fair enough, but the static time of day is exactly why the lighting, baked GI & ambient occlusion in Unity looks better than the dynamic day-night cycles in other AC games ( and other open world games as general )

@@Kotka1986 Yeah. Though I still prefer dynamic time of day in an open world game as it adds more immersion. As more games start utilizing RTGI it won't take too long until baked lighting doesn't offer any advantage in terms of visual fidelity.

@@EarthIsFlat456 no it does not need that. You graphics obsessed people killing gamimg

Arkham Knight was made in Unreal engine 3 if I'm not mistaken. It's pretty insane.

Arkham Knight was nuts and Rocksteady are a bunch of insane people/sorcerers

@@TheBloopers30 if i recall correctly, it is a high modified UE3.

Arkham Knight is so over rated. The rain hides how terrible the shapes are. It’s dark like 100% of the time, low draw distances and a pretty empty world. You see a couple enemies here and there but it’s not on the level of something like a Spider-Man. Take Arkham knight and make it day time with no rain. The game really wouldn’t look that good

@@toptiertech7291 well that's why they went with those choices? By doing that they were able to make a game that holds up. "Not on the level of Spiderman" bro there was 3 years in the difference. Also, of course it's dark, it's a Batman game.

It's really odd when during progress reports for FFXV Tabata highlighted about the lighting and how much work the lighting and programming unit put into it and the marketing kept highlighting about the music. Or maybe because a lot of the leads like Yusuke Naora and Tabata himself is now gone is the reason why Forspoken ended up like this.

If only Luminous and SE finished FF XV's The Dawn of the Future tetralogy instead of doing this...

@@kosmassamothrakis1670 I wish for that, maybe with a remaster in the future they'll develop the rest of the content as a bonus. Thankfully we will have KHIV before long and judging the teaser, might be as close as we get to what XV might have been. Guess we will find out.

@@kosmassamothrakis1670 Nah, couldn't care less of an alternate ending and the game itself needed to rearrange events and not feel like duct taped together. Moving on to the next project was a good move.

@@wulf8889 More likely I suspect Square Enix cut its budget an ran away with Sony money to focus on NFTs

This is what I love about DF. They don't try to ride the haterade like other content creators.

@@romxxii especially on a ps5 or ps5 locked game

@@romxxii Angry Joe is great tho

A lot of these other reviewers/content crestors have herd mentality and would rather just not be seen as the odd man out. Which despite numerous promised features not being in Cyberpunk all the reviewers acted like it was the greatest game ever. The game STILL doesn't even have a proper police pursuit system... STILL.

@@victory7763 The Cyberpunk 2077 Edgerunners update was how it should have been released and like you say it *still* has issues. It took CDPR 2 years to get that game up to snuff. With their blatant lies and delivering an unfinished game, among other things, I will never support them again.

It is pretty neat.

there's a technical presentation that goes over it from 2014 or 2015 called "gpu driven rendering pipelines"

their indoor global illumination system is still quite good looking..

well well well.. here we go again.. 20fps 720p on so-called next gen console $300 rtx 3060 ti is 2x faster than weakstation 5

Will make a good DF Retro material next year for sure.

I just wish this game didnt look and run like a ps3 game

It's shit

For sure dude. This is just generic as hell.

@@JokerX350 With Scalebound at least you would say "this kinda looks like Devil May Cry and Monster Hunter" instead of just generic.

Scale bounds main concepts were reused in bayonetta 3. Where you can use the giant beasts in combat mid combo. Nintendo does what Xbox doesn't

@@asheleydavies l

Yes this is actually huge. Awful lightning, reused assets, overall incredibly bland. Add the framedrops, clunky controls and combat and I couldnt wait to stop playing the demo. I thought this would be the next Horizon but its not even close. Its like a B game not AAA.

This game had a huge graphical downgrade from the trailers 6 months to a year ago

@@picolete I have a feeling they must've fired the particular team who made that brief but visually stunning presentation here 1:42 and somehow everything else start to fall apart.

@@neocodexx one thing i notice about the demo is if you don't know the skills or moves it feels clunky and out of pace, once i learned what the fuck i was doing the game FLOWED very well. Its one of those issue where if you just unlock a ton of stuff without learning it, it gives the impression of clunky and unfinished. The demo should of never started people at level 17.

I give up on Japanese studios

Why's what?

My only gripe is that he won't ever say "volumetric" correctly. For some reason he says "vollometric", in spite of the fact that he's perfectly capable of saying the word "volume". It's just when that "tric" gets added at the end that all of a sudden he forgets? I don't get it.

You should really REALLY *REALLY* learn from RU-vidrs, Celebrities etc that that is a bad idea.

I agree because he seems most interested in the facts not pr or fanboy bullshit

John and SkillUp are the two YT gaming reviewers/content creators that I trust the most.

Agreed. Unlike the idiotic Eurogamer review of the game

For me its Alex

Lol. Infamous second son is laughing

To me those particles aren't that good looking. There're tons of them, for sure, but the overall effect is just... meh.

Also the animation (including folliage and clothes animation) and the hair. Would be better if they didnt go with open world design

@@angelajiliagalvez second son looks last Gen next forspoken, especially the more advance magic spells. Go get your eyes checked

@Rudy Bertazzo cope.... they look great, some of the other stuff in game not so much. . But partials look good as fuk

Yeah me too! It always seemed off, especially when i played the demo, then DF explained, so cool

It looks bleh. Like if you fed information to an IA and ask the IA to write a generic game.

It feels like a procedurally generated game in places

It really is a shame. Lighting really make worlds shine and what we see here points toward a mixed bag of a game. Had it been truly amazing in the lighting side, the world would feel so much more interesting. I am still curious about playing it though. Who knows, maybe we can hope for some patches (or some reshades on PC?)...

@@Masarofia but also it was delayed. There was a lot of time to fix some of these things if they wanted to. It’s weird.

Looks like a ps2 game with an HD treatment

Isn't it a "normal" thing these days? I forgot last time when I saw something truly impressive, artistic, "full of life" or at least rich at details. Maybe some Playstation exclusive titles like Naughty Dog or God of War games, but they are also eventually going downhill with generic boredom.

@@J0rdan912 i have to be honest though, WD Legion's London looks alive compared to whatever this mess is

They’ll claim it’s on purpose just like babylons fall.

I dunno about "stock." They definitely look like they did a design and stopped at the point where detailing and greebling were supposed to commence.

"Sonic frontiers"

The game looks like a Tech demo. It did when they first showed it and it looks like it hasn't made much progress since the 2 years ago that they did the reveal It's a shame

So like most games released recently

Nah of ALL the things you can come here hating on this isn't one of them lmao. Ya'll don't even try hiding the biases at this point.

@@EcopiuM what bias? This genre is right up my alley lol. I was genuinely interested in this game before seeing this footage. But it looks well below expectations for a modern AAA title. When you add the $70 price tag and frankly absurd system requirements it’s not a good look. John was spot on when he said there are times when it looks like a game from several generations ago.

"Sonic frontiers".

That is just how NYC looks.

Assuming that wouldn't just be using this version of the engine, would be nice to have seen FFXV with DLSS2 and Denuvo removed.

@@derptyderp5287 DLLS 2.X would be awesome!

Consoles aren't ready for a next gen FFXV update it takes an RTX 3090 to max that game out at 4K 60 and even then it's not a perfect 60

@@AzaiaMonota As someone with a 4090, I'm going to test your statement, as I've been waiting years to play it and couldn't because my 1080 Ti didn't give me acceptable performance at 3440x1440.

Gotta love when RU-vid deletes my comment for no reason, especially when it's big and full of technical info, and I find out over a week later. Thankfully I have a text backup addon: Okay, tested, at the spawn area. (edited to remove image link) It's not GPU bottlenecked at max settings, unless the render resolution is increased (4090 can handle up to 150% locked @120Hz). It's CPU bottlenecked mainly due to object LOD, which becomes even worse in ultrawide since it's rendering more of the game world. 4K is ironically less demanding to run because of this. Lowering model LOD drastically improves framerate when looking out into the distance. Obviously affects distant IQ quite a great deal (and it could really be better even at max). Disabling some of the NVIDIA effects also improves framerate in this situation; for whatever reason their VXAO and TurfEffects are massively CPU bound. And lastly "Assets" not only enables the 4K texture pack, but dramatically improves world detail, and as such vastly increases draw calls. Unfortunately, the 'assets' introduce a bunch of visual bugs, like missing rocks (mod to fix), or disappearing vegetation (must lower model LOD). With everything enabled, there's just no way to get the game running over 100FPS; need like a 9950X3D+ as the game isn't that effectively multi-threaded compared to something like Horizon Zero Dawn. TLDR: I'm playing with all normal options at max (unless bugged), only HairWorks enabled at 150% render scale (5,160x2,160) and keeping 120FPS. So yeah, I wouldn't say needing a 3090 for 60FPS is accurate at all, but 120FPS, yes probably. The game could also become more demanding later on, I don't know at this early point. At any rate, a 4090 is about 60-70% utilized at 120FPS (1.7x the perf of a 3090), and I have mine set to 90% power, so there's a bit of headroom left. Now if only the game had controller rebinding, as all 3 presents are horrible and making me not even want to play it.

It'll be 25 dollars in a few months.

it's €80 in eu. All I can say is terrible

It'll go on sale astonishingly fast.

$20 in 3 months

Its really fun your loss

But not by me. I still load it up every so often and reminisce about the times we were an actual assassin. Mirage please please take even 10% from Unity and it will be more enjoyable than these recent ACs

My best assumption is that there once was the plan to have a time of day system but was scrapped but didn't change their lighting strategy. But maybe they really did make this choice.

Either that or the engine doesn't natively support baked lighting and they didn't consider adding support to be worth it. If the engine was developed specifically for FFXV and the other tech demos also used almost completely dynamic lighting then it'd make sense that the engine was made with dynamic lighting in mind, meaning that it'd be a waste of time and resources to add support for baked lighting in. Since this may be their first project that uses relatively static lighting environments they may have just decided to settle with the existing dynamic lighting systems, as opposed to adding support for baked lighting.

Hahah same! It made me just re-install the game

Agni's Philosophy looked great. Shame we got this crap instead.

Tech demos are not the same as full games, it's like comparing a Pixar movie and a video game.

This took 10 years to make?

and ubisoft, naughty dog, EA, CD Projekt.

@@zzzyyyxxx after 10 years it's kinda ok to compare prerendered demo footage with a real graphics engine, since it's enough catch up time, at least on paper.

It sucks and makes everyone cringe

@@cocofuccorio7913 Huh?

@@cocofuccorio7913 must be just you! Clearly a boring clown 🤡 😂

It’s square Enix did you expect the pc version to not be ass 😂

Judging by system requirements I'd say so. You pc fans can keep your powah.

It was a demo. It’s already suck as hell.

well well well.. here we go again.. 20fps 720p on so-called next gen console $300 rtx 3060 ti is 2x faster than weakstation 5

@@UltraCasualPenguin and console fans can keep their 25 fps games or 720p.

90% of xbox players do not like Japanese games.

@@LeePhan79 What does that have to do with his comment?

@@julianmaria5715 Autism

@@LeePhan79 on usa mw2 is number 1 sellniggame 2 is elden ring. so

Thanks.

Dont bother, game is trash

Omg this is game that schould be a canceled because look and run worse than final fantasy on ps4 pro….

Lol. Wow.

@@His0ka Better than Halo trash

@@naci2378 halo is trash nowadays but this one is still worse

Truly one of the best music to grace our world.

Is that the background music? I was tempted to just mute it like holy shit

Your prayers have not been answered 😔

This gave me a chuckle

that's a lie lmao

​@@eclisis5080 Did you not watch the video?

@@spaghebbio yeah, some of the best particle effects I've ever seen, the graphical problems are do to the limitations of the ps5 hardware, and the game still looks good, did you watch the video ambient occlusion was broken on Spider-Man PC, does that mean the game all of a sudden had poor graphics until they fixed it, get real, how about playing the game for yourself, the traversal alone is the reason I'm playing it, I hate open worlds because moving around the open world in the game is not fun, reason why I never finished Red Dead I hate moving around in the world, it's boring

@@eclisis5080 If they are due to limitations of the ps hardware then why do other games running on the ps hardware look so much better? Having a few good aspects doesn't make it a good looking game. Lighting, ambient occlusion, and shadows are all incredibly disappointing here resulting in the game looking pretty flat overall. Why would I play the game for myself? That's not going to make me think it looks better. Nothing about it interests me and it's not nearly as visually impressive or immersive as it would need to be for me to risk wasting $70 to give it a shot.

​@@spaghebbio what open world games look better than this, with large numbers of enemies on the screen and this level of particle effects please don't say God of war which has the camera up Kratos ass at all times and barely has any enemies at the screen at once lmao, the effects in the game are taxing which is why the PS5 game has lack of detail in areas so they can keep a playable frame rate

I have the game already if you wanna know how it is lol

@@treythebaked595 we don't need to know we can see how bad it is from this video

@@Dill2G the story is shit lol gameplay isn’t bad in my opinion the story & character models remind me of monster hunter mixed with old final fantasy lol

@TreyTheBaked yeah the gampeplay doesn't look too bad but the graphics and the lighting don't look good either

That's what that it is. Really annoying noise. For a second I thought they chose that so people would quit and stop watching him destroy a PS5 game to shreds

its a PS5 exclusive if im not mistaken.

@@CRF250R1521 it's on Steam, lol

i will be completely honest, never in my decades of gaming has lighting made me not enjoy a game, it made me want to play some, sure, but it never was a reason not to. i know that nowadays people are all "its either amazing looking or not worth playing" but i never really cared that much for lighting to where it killed immersion for me.

@@marcosdheleno When a world with great character design looks as flat as Halo, the overall feel of that game world is just bad. It's like putting a 3D character in a 2D world. Better lighting can dramatically improve this. Its not about a game has to be looking always amazing its about consistency in the game design and game graphics. I have played a lot of indie games with much worser graphics but the overall game design didn’t feel that bad. That’s the curse of AAA open world games like all of the Ubisoft games.

@@Noaixs Idk how you've gone from looks as flat as Halo to bad/inconsistent game design in that sentence. I understand lighting does dramatically improve a gameplay experience but it's not a game-breaker like the other person said.

Seems like this is becoming a trend. The higher the hardware power the less optimization these developers deploy. FF15 looked better in my opinion.

It's unfinished, hence the unoptomization. I'd wait until that is ironed out in the next patch, which is more than likely will come out.

Reasons.)

well well well.. here we go again.. 20fps 720p on so-called next gen console $300 rtx 3060 ti is 2x faster than weakstation 5

It's probably very unoptimized, but don't underestimate the impact of the particle effects during magic attacks, they look heavy as fuck (I still think the PC specs are too high, mind you)

Nevertheless, in FFXV it also looks like the characters float over the ground, without any weight or actual traction.

FFXVs run cycle was always weirdly unrealistic in my opinion.

Indeed, probably the biggest downgrade this gen so far.

Let's see PC gameplay first?

well well well.. here we go again.. 20fps 720p on so-called next gen console $300 rtx 3060 ti is 2x faster than weakstation 5

Are we still complaining about "downgrade"? It feels really pointless.

@@deviouslaw It's not.

Ahh, that's what it is. Ff15 Ost

"for anything other than top quality" uh... you really dont know PC hardware - you can easily get in, even today, for $800 or less. Most of what the PC channels focus on is only there for clicks (as in, entirely, since most wont eve buy those things), and plenty of affordable MB/RAM/CPU's exist that will get you lovely performance on PC. You dont need a 4000-series anything.

@@xBINARYGODx I think you misunderstood them.

@@xBINARYGODx Yeah, I was talking about the quality of the Game. If the devs focused primarily on PS5 performance and didn't have enough time to make the PC version run well there are likely going to be tons of problems.

Cringe

@@DrJones20 You sound about 14.

@@elastichedgehog6339 no u

😢😢😢😢 he’ll be crying

well well well.. here we go again.. 20fps 720p on so-called next gen console $300 rtx 3060 ti is 2x faster than weakstation 5

It’ll be poor on pc

Red flags all over place bet it’s poorly optimised

Did you watch the video. The consoles are not held by last gen and this it what they produce graphically. I think you need to check your expectations of these machines.

FFXV has one of my absolute fave soundtracks.