So how is it when you come to Mtl it takes 3 hours, but it takes me 7 hrs to get to NYC?? Also, Saguenay is 5 hours FROM Mtl. Soooo 12 hrs from NYC. But. Whatever right? GUP Tech is NOT from Mtl, Quebec province includes other cities than Montreal you know? or you don't. Also, where's the Engl you need and didn't know it?
Dude i was looking at their pedals and they have a grindR pedal with a switch that switches between "grind and 33" and has bass and treble controls like the fortin saw. basically its the fortin saw and 33 combined into one pedal. you have to review it!!!
@@louistorres yeah.. What's up with this ZUUL, Spliff or Roach thing? If you buy the Spliff and the Zuul, you're out $400(!!!). A 6505 or 6534+ costs like $600 on the used market.
@@louistorres itlso does the integrated preamp thing. The new version of the GUUL has like the Roach built in or something! You don't need a key! 4 cable method like the Decimator G string.
I just ordered one of these. Hell of a bargain at $170 CAD. Even after taxes and shipping, it comes to $203 but that's still way cheaper than a comparable noise gate. Looking forward to getting mine in a couple of weeks.
The Phalanx is such a great noise gate! I feel like a lot of these companies are creating noise gates that work amazingly great for the music we play. The Guul, which is what I call it since it's nameless, is just as good as the Zuul.
Louis, awesome video as always! I have a question for you, since i am still somewhat of a gear newbie, i have seen people online making distinctions between Noise Gates and Noise Reducers, supposedly Noise Gates function by cutting off the signal while Noise Reducer's are controlling the threshold of certain frequencies passing through. So, since you compared the GUP to the ISP, is this a correct comparison? i was under the impression that the ISP is a Noise Reducer (being the successor of the original Rocktron Hush pedal) and not technically a gate. But maybe i'm just an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about, i'm still trying to make sense of different things that i read online, which you know is not always the most credible source. LOL
They are all noise gates and you choose the threshold at which point the gate closes the signal. It's like someone saying car and another calling it an automobile. : ) Suppressors, Reducers, Gates, etc.
They're all great but out of convenience, I tend to use my ISP Decimator 2, since there's less cables to deal with. Have you seen my amps? It gets crazy trying to move them around to setup the noise gates through the effects loop every time I want to use a different head. So it's the ISP D2 most often. :)
Bro, I don't think they have earthquakes too often in NY, but the way you have those amps stacked would be a serious hazard out here in California! Haha. Maybe strap them shits to the wall yo. Safety first, tone second.
You are the man. I literally have them all tilted back so there's no way they could tilt forward, you just can't tell from the video. If I lived in California, yeah bro, they'd be all on the floor! Haha! I can only recall two mild earthquakes in New York the last fifty years but we get them once in a blue but barely a shake.
Video was from three years ago. There are better noise gates now. Also, Fortin doesn't make this pedal anymore, this was the original gate they made years ago. Also, GUPtech doesn't make the GUUL anymore either, both have been discontinued for a few years.
Have you tried using both? One around peds in front of the amp and then one in the loop? Use the Roach to split to both gates.. Then you can have control at your pedal board for tightness, and a super quiet loop, leaving thhe gate for the loop on top of the amp...
@@louistorres I haven't tried because I don't have these yet.. But the spliff/roach splits to 3 signals, so you could use two to control the 2 gates at the same time.
@@louistorres the question I have is tone suck though... The Decimator G String sounds like it tone sucks to me... Wondering if these are any better. Also, the difference between the Zuul and the Guul might be due to component tolerances. GUP says the GUUL uses the same components and chip. It would be interesting to see the innards of both to see if there are any other discernable differences. Might be worth a video to kill the curiosity.
hey man, ive got a ns-2, decimater, behringer ns300 & most recently bought a rowin gate, lil mini pedal 1 knob & a hard/soft mini toggle that on soft kinda fades out but on hard cuts it off immediately. so ive A/B'd them & both the ns-2 & the (eeew) behringer both have a tone suk & r terrible imho but, the decimater & the rowin sound great, no difference in tone at all. my decimater was $130 & the rowin (after tax & ship'n) was $73! used like $45 & its a great pedal with TRUE BYPASS, i pull the power & my signal continues & the decimater DOES NOT sooo, this was the very 1st time that sumthin i paid a little 4 compared to a 'high end" product i own. i may sell off the others (DFNTLY boss & behringer) & buy another rowin as backup, should check it out you will be pleasantly suprised! cool vids by the way, im 45 & sorta similar situation except the divorce cost me ALOT of gear! anyways leep up the vids man entertaining & informative.
The Rowin works great as long as you're directly running your guitar through it. It's basically the same as the Mooer Noise Killer and you can find them under different names from Donner, Neewer, etc. But if you want to gate a noisy OD pedal it's over and I couldn't run it in the loop at all. You can't get it to close fast without cutting sustain pretty hard. But for what it is and because it's cheap it's still a great little pedal!
@@guitarnic972 hey man, your absolutely right. ive been runnin a seymour duncan 805 b4 the gate & sounds great, no issues at all BUT, i just tried my belcat odv802 b4 the gate & still kills "noise" BUT (again wit the BUT) its got a huge hummmmmmmmm! i didnt notice it b4 not with the duncan anyway sooo it seems that you pair up 2 lower end pedals & you get what you pay for, damn. anyways sounds great with the duncan & right now gonna try it wit my maxon 808 & the east river drive. the east river im most curious about so tryin now, OK NP's with the 808 but the east river HUGE HUMMMM. so moral of the story DO NOT PAIR WITH A LOW END OD! will hummmm. THNX MAN id've probably pluged in 1 of those others 1 day got the humm & wasted sum time figuring it out so, much appreciated! Happy Holidays! Thnx again
It's my phone! I can't control it! Hahaha! What I need to do, if I ever make money on RU-vid, is buy a new camera instead of using my Samsung phone. This RU-vid thing is crazy at times. For now, I have a new RU-vid studio space and huge continuous lights. Camera is next! :)
Hi think, Louis that you were stone, am I wrong? Guul (now Sun) is a clone to the Zuul, GUP are from Chicoutimi, not Montreal, it's like 6 hours north, so yeah that a deal. btw
The Guul is a clone of the Zuul. The S.U.N. is actually an entirely newly designed noise gate that's based on the updated T.H.A.T. chip. It's completely different than the Guul but don't forget that the Zuul is a clone of the noise gate that's in the Marshall JCM 800KK. Because you can't sue for electronic designs, Marshall couldn't sue anyone. Likewise, that's why Larry couldn't do anything regarding his borrowed circuit design that's found in the old Randall Satan and Thrasher. I'm in New York, when someone says Quebec, I hear Montreal. Lol.
@@louistorres Yeah I'm curious to see what's in the SUN, I believe what he have done is simply build is own retrofit base on the PedalPCB guys but still using the same design at least as the source, cause you know the That4301 is discontinued but PedalPCB have done a replacement (retrofit pcb) using 2 opamps and the That4305, which basically mimic exactly what the4301 was doing, so it ain't new at all. I'm looking in building something similar or at least experiment with it. I don't know the couple at Gup (the guy make pedal and the girl make the design on the pedal), funny that they are actually from the same town then me, I was from Jonquiere which is 25 minutes from their home. Anyway you are right for most American, if you actually know that north of the US there is an other country call Canada and in Canada there is provinces, one of which is Quebec, which happen to be French speaking in the majority, then Montreal seem to be all of it. MTL is the main city in the south of the province (25% of the total population) and it's multi-cultural so people speak as much English then French, (English is more the international language). But outside of Montreal most of the population speak French....our own special French, LOL
I love my Decimator II! It's such a great pedal and it's what I use when I want to keep things simple. Plug the pedal and go, and not worry about hooking up my Roach, then get more cables to run it to the Zuul's key, etc. LOL!
@@louistorres do the ZUULor GUUL sound dmsignificantly better though? I have a Decimator G-string, but to me, it has noticeable tone suck. Maybe it's better than having insane feedback live, but idk!
The Guul/ Zuul are basically the same with the Zuul being a bit better but only by a tiny bit. You need something that has a key, I own the ISP D2, ISP G String, ISP X, Zuul, Guul, Hush IIC and another Hush rack. You'll love the Guul!
The Zuul was king for a long time but a few companies now have better options. Just like you got the Zuul and instantly disliked the ISP, it'll be the same with the Lichtlaerm Gate/ Key. It's literally the next level of noise gates.
@@louistorres , oh !! thank you very much , this is why there was a screw that wasn t totally in !! :) What is the difference betwen the two settings ?
@@Demonik44 Higher setting for faster threshold vs lower when you're running it through the front of an amp. Once you use the key, it actually bypasses that, same concept as the Zuul's side switch. It's brilliant. :)
Louis Torres I just received the new version of the guul with the 4 jacks - pass through now on left side. Haven’t looked if it has a high low switch. I also own the zuul and like it just as much if not more especially with the added pass through of the guul. Also has the that 4301s ic.
Yeah man, I need to see what else is around the north country! In January, I may go to Montreal to visit a few photography friends. I'm just 2 hours away.
I definitely thought the Zuul was better, the gate is maybe similar but when you switched it on the Zuul was quiet, there was a different buzz with GUP.
Yes, I noticed it too. Werth the GUP, it cuts the treble a bit more than the Zuul but they're pretty close to each other. :) $100 vs $250, I'll take the $100 GUP all day. : )
@@louistorres so both of them tone suck? Remember.. These things are analogue devices. Resistors and caps all have 5%-20% tolerances. It's the same reason no two amps or pedals sound the same. GUP claims to use the same, high quality components as the Zuul on their site. Same IC chip too, which they claim is used in all high gain noise gates in the industry. "Based on the famous Zuul and built with the same high quality components, this key-input Noise gate is the solution to your everyday hum. Using the same THAT4301 that is used in all high-end noise gate of the industry, the GUUL is a high performance noise gate." gup-tech.myshopify.com/products/key-input-noise-gate-preorder
I own both got the newest gup tech guul with pass through. Haven’t noticed a difference between the two. No high cut off. Both literally function and sound exactly the same. But I’ve ran the both exactly the same. Maybe if only running through the front or just through the effects loop they could be different, but I haven’t tried that.
Omg, try the two options (front/ effects loop) when you get the chance! I'd love to know if they function the same. I gave my Guul away to my boy who needed a good noise gate.
Btw, if you want it to be even tighter, quiet your trem stings and the string trees above the nut. Both keep the gate open longer than your palm mutes. If you mute them, you won't get that shizz at the end. 😉👍🏻
Good shootout. RU-vid could use more content like this, simple and practical. Didn't waste my time with data and charts, I flunked geometry, obviously I dont have time for graphs. If the product and the pricetag work, Im in.
Zuul in this video is superior, way faster and tighter, with the key input it would be even better 👍👌 GUP ain`t bad, but the Zuul is the king of this video, worth the money imo 😎👍
That GUP seems like a nice gate and I don't think the Zuul is worth the price over it. The cock blocker is actually $20 more expensive than the mini Zuul right now. They really need to think these things through to be competitive! I've used a bunch of gates and I think the ISP has worked best for me.
I love my ISP Decimator II and just got the ISP G String, just to try it out! I agree that they're both great gates, including the Boss NS2, which for some reason, I didn't like many years ago. Looking back, I think I was just running it wrong but it's another great one. The Zuul is just a copy of the gate used for the Marshall JCM800KK, which was Kerry King's model a few years ago. So it's just a copy, just like the Grind and 33 are just a tweaked version of the TC Electronic Intergrated Preamp pedal. Everything just comes back around and the prices on some pedals by Fortin is crazy and that Cock Blocker is in that ballpark too.
@@louistorres I agree as most things are simply altered versions of what we had in the past. Some the pedal prices today are just insane. I fell for the ProTone pedal hype a few years back. It was overpriced and the build quality was garbage. It seems so many of these hype products go out as soon they come in. The thing that nobody tells people is that lots of demos on here are being recorded with an excess of $10k+ worth of recording gear...of course it will sound decent! The place to spend the coin on gear....the amplifier!
There's a guitar builder who's getting into pedals and created the next best thing to slice bread, another new overdrive. Pre-orders are now open on this limited run $275 pedal and due date? April 2020. Hahaha! Yeah, I fell for the Pro Tone hype too but in my case, Dennis was trying to keep my money and not ship my pedal. Lol. Long story but yeah, for the price of the Powerstage 170 and Ceres, you can buy the EVH 5153 50w head. Granted one is more cumbersome than the pedals but it's nuts at times. $400+ pedals!
@@louistorres A $275 overdrive? That seems insane because so many od pedals use the exact same circuit and or chip. I liked what the attack switch did on the Protone dead horse deluxe but it was an extremely noisy pedal and built with the lowest quality parts possible. For that price, it felt like a major ripoff. Outside of the attack switch, it was just another overpriced overdrive pedal. I was thinking of searching out a better made od pedal with something similar to the attack switch. I know the Ibanez mini tube screamer is just awesome. I looked up the prices on those pedals you mentioned and that is crazy. I'd much rather buy the 5150 50w head. I have tried one out and with my Explorer, it sounded damn good and we're talking plugged straight in.
