Forza Motorsport Modded - Enhanced Ray Tracing, Extra Detail - Graphics Analysis 

usually the publishers fault, they handle all the marketing stuff. And publishers don't really work on the game so a lot of the time they tend to just say shit

They had 6 years between titles... It should've been built from the ground up AND be the most technically advanced racing game ever made given this series' history. Forza has been the premier racing sim for a while now, but they really fumbled the ball with this one, even if it's still enjoyable overall.

@@corey2232 if it was built from the ground up it would of taken longer then six years and it would of been even more of a mess then this game was, its really really really hard to make a new game, sequels always you to build off of existing tech and polish/ revamp the existing tech without wasting time on shit you already have. there's a lot of nuances to game development. Ive been in the industry coming up on 4 years now, its never as simple as the gamers online pretend like it is. ever.

​@@corey2232 "Forza has been the premier racing sim for a while now" lmfao in what world

The managers of Forza Motorsport fire developers before having to give them permanent employment resulting in no built-up experience and mediocrity.

I didn't like the game too much at launch, I really disliked the new career mode, etc. However, a few weeks ago I tried it out again, and for one, the performance is improved quite a bit. But mainly, once I got though a few more races, things just started to click and now I'm really enjoying it. The graphics are not half-baked, however, the issue is the lighting. For example, racing at sunset or in the early evening, the game looks down right photo realistic - but most of the game takes place in the middle of the day, seems to be the most common time setting, and its by far the least flattering look s it just looks flat for whatever reason. Anywho, if you actually like Forza and you're not just a GT troll (and I love GT to be sure), then you should try it out again.

This and Halo

I imagine only a small amount of employees at Turn 10 worked on Motorsport, and the bulk of the main team continued to work on the money machine that is “Forza Horizon”

That’s what happens when a studio fires everyone with talent for 12 year old tweets. This is the best the people that are left can do it seems.

​@@ab-hx8qeyour brain is cooked

No amount of time will make this run on a series x

@@Ignacio.Romero And the fact it won't ever run on Series X is probably the real reason the PC version has those features disabled despite them existing- this was a flagship Xbox title so they didn't want it to be visually superior on PC, with the most likely logic being so the Xbox version isn't deemed the "bad" version so they could sell more copies on Xbox (and hopefully a few actual Xboxes with the game).

@@pjs232 exactly. This sort of feature set would cannibalize console sales and the managers saw this and said nope, we can't allow that right now.

This isn't the fault of developers. People keep saying that but always forget that developers also include programmers and artists who at the very least made the game look good enough.

The day you realize your complaining doesn't mean squat is the day you sell your Xbox and jump on PC. Pretty much every single major title that comes out on PC has mods that improves the game substantially in most cases. Waiting on devs to "fix the game" is no longer an option and hasn't been since Skyrim. You are at the will of Xbox and the dev to enjoy a game "as is" on console.

They should just import tracks into FH5 and call it a day

You want TAA? 😂

@@marcowong1436 Honestly this would make an amazing game. I've always wanted to Horizon to do this even with fictional track (actual tracks not street circuits)

Forza motrosport has a target 60 fps instead of 30, and it is a not a pc game like at all.

@@MrJinRoh fh5 runs 60fps and looks way better and runs better

You have to lower settings on this GPU? How much did you pay for? I hope not more than 360 bucks or so. From a modern RTX GPU for lets say 600 bucks I expect like ultra settings with all effect at 1440p and at least 16 Gigs, better 20 Gigs of VRAm. All the time.

@@hassosigbjoernson5738 this is RTGI and reflections on EVERYTHING. Expecting that in realtime at all is incredible, and it looks far better than vanilla maxed out. The settings I'm lowering make very little difference. RTAO and cubemap quality make next to no difference because they've been replaced by RTGI and RT reflections, so the performance you get back is basically free.

@@hassosigbjoernson5738This is modding way past ultra settings. You shouldn't expect such easy performance. You kids these days. Crysis ran at 20fps on the most powerful GPU in the world on ultra settings and it was wonderful.

​@@hassosigbjoernson5738 You are the reason developers hide advanced or heavy settings behind ini files (or don't include them at all). "Ultra" is an arbitrary setting; Some devs max it out to future proof their game, while other devs lowball it so the babies don't cry.

@@hassosigbjoernson5738 someone missed their nap time

If you drive at like 30-40 kmh in game with your camera to the side and speed up, you'll see that there is zero animation blending, it just shifts instantaneously when it reaches a certain speed, it's the exact same way in the horizon games and i'm still perplexed why haven't they fixed it after so many years

FH5 LOD distance is still broken on pc.

I doubt this is the case, the Forza Horizon games, which are made by another studio, have superior technologies on the PC, from Frame gen to better Raytracing features on the PC, while the Motor sport made by TURN10 up to the Frame gen they excluded from the final version of the PC, and look at the game's beta, the files were there so much so that it's possible to put the feature back into the game via mod despite having problems with the game's HUD, something that DEV could solve doesn't seem like enough of a reason to remove it from the final version of the game. game, I would guess that TURN 10 was simply less competent than Playground itself, but I hope they improve the PC version more and more, because until one day the color palette was horrible compared to the console versions because this one with all It was definitely the first Microsoft game that I played and it was definitely better on the console, even though I have a GPU with almost twice the performance of a Series X

it is weird and certainly unfortunate for everyone who plays on PC but what's even worse is that Playstation in Horizon Forbidden West for example leaves certain setting lower than the PS5 version even if you turn them to ultra especially in regards to textures. I would assume it's because of the reason you mentioned and the PC outshining the Console Version. Luckily we have mods so these "problems" can be solved but it's still sad to even go that far.

@@AkshayKumarX Not really, I only ever occasionally get lod problems when driving the Venom F5 at 300mph but never with any other car.

i wouldnt hate microsoft, id hate pc racing games specifically made for pc, like why dont they make them anymore and why dont they push the envelope, its been a long time since ive seen pc targeted games.

Right at the start of the video DF shows these settings cause instability and crashes, so ok for a mod but definitely not production ready. It's that simple, these options weren't fully tested so they weren't enabled

@@dancovich this game was released 9 months ago and was in development for ~4 years. If they can’t figure out how to clean up such small issues by now that’s pretty unimpressive.

@@cheese_crab I believe you are not a developer. When you create an application, you make choices about architecture, techniques, libraries, etc. While these decisions help you on the long run, they sometimes close the door on other choices you could've made. That means reverting a decision that didn't work out can be quite a challenge. As a company, it's also hard to justify thousands of dollars in investment to finance a change that some of the player base will say "oh cool" for a week and then get back to trashing your game for some other reason

Glad I'm not the only one 😂😂

PGR4 is still my favorite racing game of all time. Good times

Galaxy Bounce by The Chemical Brothers - my mind immediately went to PGR too. Alex knew what he was doing.

Good ears! That was a nostalgic hit for me, too!

There are dozens of us who remember! Dozens!

It gets regular updates.

@@Phil_529fixing broken stuff and adding things that were in the other games at launch lol

@@Phil_529Ratioed

It gets more updates then GT7 wym? Lol

@@ickilla easy to have more updates when nearly everything was broken at launch and needed fixing

depending upon what you're looking at and how thin it is, there can be a good amount of visible noise and little random flashing fireflies that could occur with this mod. The reason being is because the denoiser and the RTGI itself are unfinished hence why they're not included in the base game and just unlockable via a mod.

You are definitely modifying the game, though.

The features aren't properly finished. For example, you can see at 11:31 the INSANE amount of noise in the reflections, it almost looks like the game is broken. They could never let people activate a feature in that state. Most likely all the features that aren't activated are in the same half baked state

Wouldn't say that, they've definitely improved visuals the last few updates. More vibrant overall, better lighting, clouds are now volumentric... it does look a lot nicer now and more like a Forza game even without this mod. This is an ongoing service, it will keep improving. There's comparisons out there... plus the newer tracks like Sebring and Brand Hatch look noticeably better to me.

@@euphoreonz So why is none of that mentioned in this video? Alex directly compares the launch and current versions and didn't note any graphical upgrades (indeed it seems like particle rendering has been downgraded). Could it be because you've just made it up? You've certainly made up volumetric clouds being a new feature, because they've been there since launch and are mentioned in Oliver's tech review on Eurogamer.

Update 9 significantly improved visuals with new sky rendering, new gamma and color grading. Did all of you miss the buzz about it a month ago? Look up some comparisons, difference in some cases are night and day.

@@CaptainKenwaybecause he probably wouldn't know? The only comparison here is performance. The 'upgrades' are still subtle if you don't know what to look for

They just did a major overhaul a month ago. Game looks awesome now on PC and much more stable.

@@bongwaterbojack the white wall is in shadow and the red is in direct sunlight. This definitely happens under these conditions irl. Its a funny case of something that you'd think looks strange when it happens irl, but if a game accurately replicates it, it looks broken.

@@existentialselkath1264 I've raced on many tracks in many conditions and have never seen this in person or on TV. Is there some bounce? Sure. But it doesn't just turn into the exact same color as the surface it's bouncing off.

@@bongwaterbojack I mean, try it. On a hot summers day when the sun is out completely, get the brightest red thing you can in direct sunlight and put it next to a piece of paper or something in shadow. Ill admit its probably less likely to happen with red gravel or something like it's doing in game. I think real gravel would be darker and so bounce less light, but that's a texture issue. The RTGI is working perfectly fine with the info it's given.

@existentialselkath1264 I've been there already. It doesn't look like that. Slight pink hue is all you'll get. Not a blood red wall.

@@bongwaterbojack it entirely depends on the brightness of the sun and how much light is hitting the wall asside from the red surface. It doesn't happen all the time but it is entirely possible. It also doesn't happen all the time in forza with RTGI

GT7 doesn't even have ray tracing... what are you even talking about? Forza Motorsport looks really damn good.

@@fordgtguy GT7 has much higher quality RT but it's only used in replays. For PS5 Pro RT is likely to be much improved and used in gameplay as well.

​​​​@@fordgtguy it has but is restricted to replays, in game menus and photo mode.

@jaglemans6778 "Much higher quality RT" uh... no it does not.

@@AndreFreitas91250 I don't even count RT in replays or game menus. I only care and acknowledge it in gameplay.

GT7 has its faults still neither game is flawless

I wish that too. But how is it putting you off playing?

@@Nucleosyntheseit’s the principle of the matter. There is no reason why they could not separate the competitive online elements from an offline single player experience, satisfying both audiences. They chose not to. I chose not to give them my $70.

@@balaam_7087 I also chose to. Paid way less.

@@James-gj8rn especially because this Forza was already cracked what even is the point of forcing everyone online? Also I hope GT comes to PC natively someday, emulating GT6 has been a blast. GT6 and Forza 4 are still honestly such great racing games.

What the big deal about always online? Because my devices are nevertheless. For me this is only relevant with bad internet connection. And I do like that savegames are automatically transferred between XBox and PC.

What are you smoking?

Physics is ok to the game of such genre. You can prefer old FM physics or GT7 physics , yeah

I'm glad that devs fixed stuttering so I could increase all settings to ultra, disable DLSS, increase resolution rendering to get stable fps with good picture

Saying they addressed nothing is very exaggerated. The game has changed a lot since launch

​@@luis_augusto-22And it's still a pile of shit.

@@IamJay02 If you think so 🤷🏻‍♂️

M colours are light blue, dark blue and red.

PGR 1 menu song. Oooh the memories

GT7 isn't that great either, so you're half wrong there

GT7 is bad

@@xXVibrantSnowXxit’s easily the best console track racer

​@@BigLukeyBoi which isn't saying much lol.

Gt7 is far better than fm

I agree I’ve been playing with the mod all night & it’s crazy how different the game is now. I could confidently say it surpass horizon 5 in visuals

Agreed.

In my opinion, the game has had changes in the color grading, making the lighting clearer and less blurry, making it possible to see details that could not be seen before.

​@@al_toque yeah it doesnt look like a xbox 360 game anymore, i compared a picture i took of this game in first patch with a picture of the current version and the differences are really huge, in the first patch the colors looked really gray and in the current patch it looks like forza horizon 5 lol

On Series S, everything about this game looks like ASS. Distant trees turn to blurry squares, car decals look like something from an N64, anti-aliasing turns every edge into a blurry mess. This piece of crap looks worse than just about every racing game from the previous generation.

@@flyingplantwhale545 That's cause the series s is a POS that is weaker than last gen consoles.

@@deathtrooper3069no its because turn 10 reuse old inaccurate car models

lol that’s what I thought

Lmao

Outsourcing and cost cut. That's why

its hard to notice rt for alot of reasons, 1. baked lighting sometimes is just as good because its pre calculated on super computers/ high end rigs so in some shots its more accurate than realtime raytracing because realtime rt requires more samples and very good denoisers, realtime rt is better for dynamic lighting and dynamic objects but computational wise devs will always choose shortcuts for a steady image, 2. Some games werent designed from scratch to use rt, so the art assets and object materials are not authored for rt, for instance car body paints so even if you add rt it wont change much, weve seen how gt7 did it they had special car materials especially car pain that looks magic with rt on replay but used different materials and baked lighting when playing, its the only best option at the moment.. lastly i think dedicated rt games will be hard to make for devs especially xbox devs when u have to also run that game on series s.. this affetcs many decisions.

RT is overrated.

Agreed, a wall painted white isn't going to become a brilliant red just because the ground near it is painted red. The effect is definitely enabled, but the materials are still wrong, or there is too little dispersion and suppression of light in the bounce pass.

It will never happen