FOULS IN POOL ... Everything You Need to Know

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Dr. Dave covers everything you need to know about how to identify, detect, and avoid fouls in pool. Topics, with time stamps, include:
Intro (0:00)
- legal shot (0:21)
---- driving a ball to a cushion (0:32)
---- balls jumped off the table (1:30)
---- foot on floor (1:35)
---- aiming aids (1:47)
---- outside interference (2:02)
- double hit (3:26)
- double hit detection (5:10)
- double hit avoidance (6:57)
---- small-gap angled hit (7:01)
---- elevated cue (7:14)
---- inside vs. outside spin (7:40)
---- short bridge and stroke (8:22)
---- small-gap grip tighten (8:30)
---- highly elevated cue (8:43)
---- hand against the rail (9:08)
---- reverse stroke with cue on table (9:28)
---- frozen CB shots (9:52)
-------- twice-as-full aiming system (10:58)
---- elevated follow shot (11:42)
- wrong ball first (12:37)
---- watching CB motion (12:53)
---- watching OB motion (13:31)
---- 3-frozen-OB proposition (14:10)
- miscue fouls (15:59)
---- herding unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (16:47)
---- cue lift unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (17:15)
---- unsportsmanlike intentional miscue safety foul (17:38)
---- illegal "scoop" jump shot (17:55)
- push shot (18:37)
---- push past frozen ball proposition (19:37)
- Pool Rules Quiz (20:01)
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- pool league rule differences: billiards.colostate.edu/resou...
- pool fouls resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/f...
- double hit resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/f...
- frozen CB resource page (with super-slow-motion video): billiards.colostate.edu/faq/f...
- twice-as-full system: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/f...
- “which ball hit first?” resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/f...
- miscue resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/f...
- push shot resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/f...
- Pool Rules Quiz: billiards.colostate.edu/rules...
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@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

*Table of Contents:* - legal shot (0:21) ---- driving a ball to a cushion (0:32) ---- balls jumped off the table (1:30) ---- foot on floor (1:35) ---- aiming aids (1:47) ---- outside interference (2:02) - double hit (3:26) - double hit detection (5:10) - double hit avoidance (6:57) ---- small-gap angled hit (7:01) ---- elevated cue (7:14) ---- inside vs. outside spin (7:40) ---- short bridge and stroke (8:22) ---- small-gap grip tighten (8:30) ---- highly elevated cue (8:43) ---- hand against the rail (9:08) ---- reverse stroke with cue on table (9:28) ---- frozen CB shots (9:52) -------- twice-as-full aiming system (10:58) ---- elevated follow shot (11:42) - wrong ball first (12:37) ---- watching CB motion (12:53) ---- watching OB motion (13:31) ---- 3-frozen-OB proposition (14:10) - miscue fouls (15:59) ---- herding unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (16:47) ---- cue lift unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (17:15) ---- unsportsmanlike intentional miscue safety foul (17:38) ---- illegal "scoop" jump shot (17:55) - push shot (18:37) ---- push past frozen ball proposition (19:37) - Pool Rules Quiz (20:01) *Supporting Resources:* - rules resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ - pool league rule differences: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/rule-differences - pool fouls resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/ - double hit resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/ - frozen CB resource page (with super-slow-motion video): billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/frozen/ - twice-as-full system: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/frozen/aiming/ - “which ball hit first?” resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/wrong-ball-first/ - miscue resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/miscue/ - push shot resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/push/ - Pool Rules Quiz: billiards.colostate.edu/rules-quiz/

@george_anak_lihi_private_hot Год назад

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@ecobeastboyz1986 10 месяцев назад

I have a question about banking is there possibly an email where I can contact you.

@ecobeastboyz1986 10 месяцев назад

Can one bank if the other players ball is in front of yours. But you can slightly see you ball from Behind the other players ball

@DrDaveBilliards 10 месяцев назад

@@ecobeastboyz1986 Feel free to send an e-mail at DrDave@DrDaveBilliards.com FYI, I have tons of info and videos and dealing with every aspect of banking here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/

@DrDaveBilliards 10 месяцев назад

@@ecobeastboyz1986 Yes, if there is enough room to get the necessary angle to the pocket.

@SlickRick4EVER 4 года назад

The blowing on the ball just had me laughing! Good video, Dr. Dave.

@wombra8314 4 года назад

SlickRick4EVER 😂😂😂😂👍

@MitsuoRLCoach 4 года назад

dude same

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

SlickRick4EVER I almost didn’t include this because I thought it would inspire the immature RU-vid viewers out there to write: “Nice blow job”

@SlickRick4EVER 4 года назад

@@DrDaveBilliards Lmao!! I never would have thought of that. I would rather stick to the subject at hand than my mind in the gutter.

@Dman40000 4 года назад

@@DrDaveBilliards top kek

@chrike01 4 года назад

Cant believe I just watched a 20 min long video on pool fouls at 2 am

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Soldier X I was worried the video was too long, but I didn’t want to cut anything else. I already cut a lot to get it down to 20 minutes. Thank you for watching.

@derekobrien86 4 года назад

Same here, but at 1am. Good watch tho

@LEO1WOLF 4 года назад

It's 11-P.M. here, but the real kicker - - I found Craps & Blackjack a year ago, so my pool game has suffered dearly. (Initially, I was looking up Craps VID's.) Gotta' pick my stick up again!

@freetimeisfootball 4 года назад

Exactly me 2 days later Bro

@nicktitchner296 4 года назад

Its 2:52 and I just finished watching it, haha. And that's after I told myself at the start when I noticed it was 20 minutes "oh, maybe I won't watch this one right now". Glad I did tho, his videos are always good and this cleared some things up for me. I'm always double checking with other players about specifics of rules.

@DaVinciMV 4 года назад

“If your opponent is unethical or doesn’t like you very much”......that comment had me dying!!! Great vid Dr.

@JuneJ7 4 года назад

we need this to play on loop in every pool hall in the world please

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Nolan Castellano I agree that this would be quite helpful. I am often shocked by how little even some very good players know about all of this stuff.

@70Aircooled 4 года назад

Such an understatement, I don't know how many times I had to explain to people why they fouled only to lose the argument because I didn't have anybody "watch" it or that person didn't know what to look for, very frustrating. Thank you Dr. Dave for this video!

@djjazzyjeff1232 4 года назад

Wow so my friends and I have hit dozens of double-hits in our life without every realizing it. We only play at the bar occasionally just for something to do and almost always only with eachother, so it doesn't matter anyway, but still interesting to note.

@obby4792 4 года назад

The blowing part cracked me and led me to the comments section 😂😂😂😂

@DashingRave 2 года назад

Thank you for putting in the time to making this video. As a beginner, I want to learn to play the proper way, and I feel learning all this can put me on a better starting path. I really like how technical & precise your explanations are.

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

FYI, I have lots of helpful,resources for beginners here: billiards.colostate.edu/beginner-help/ Check them out.

@bostromberg4704 4 года назад

Very well made indeed. I learnt a great deal. Had no idea that billiards could be a thesis subject, but with this level of detail why not

@BlackStarEOP 4 года назад

So many hilarious moments in this video, really makes things stick :) Thanks again for this video, I now have something to link when people disagree when I call a foul :D

@bladjeajfk4jakjd 4 года назад

Dave your videos are incredible and it is obvious you are an educator.

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Thanks!

@kevindelaere1386 4 года назад

your videos are very helpfull :) i play billiard for ten years but now i started with playing pool and your vids are perfect for me because i can hold a cue and i can play with english, draw shots, massé,... shortened i know the drill but pool is a different game to master and my playing style is soft and precise. (i played carambole and golfbilliard (i don't know the name in english) ) and your vids really helps me to improve my game and getting better in a short time thanks :)

@MucaroBoricua 3 года назад

Best explanation of pool fouls I've ever seen. Thanks!

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

Thank you! You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

@samuelleevallongo9752 4 года назад

Ut fantastic Dave I've seen few these there confusing at times thanks for awesome lesson.

@Ponch_ITK 4 года назад

As a person who's getting into snooker always wondered if push shots when balls are touching were actually legal in a game of pool.... Now I know by this video thank you Doctor Dave!

@jtluttermoser 4 месяца назад

Had a guy try to "show" me some shots that only "real" players know. One was a prolonged contact push shot, the other was that upward tick shot. I just said thats pretty cool dude lol. Extremely thankful for your content. Otherwise I would have to take those guys at their word bc they've played forever and I haven't.

@DrDaveBilliards 4 месяца назад

Some of those illegal shots are fun as “proposition” shots, but not useful in actual play: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/trick-shot/propositions/

@BillyBob2015 4 года назад

Thank you Dr. Dave :)

@cristianmunteanu8765 4 года назад

Great video! I loved your teaching session with Rollie. You are awesome! 😉

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Cristian Munteanu Thanks! The Rollie filming session was a lot of fun.

@jamesjackson6813 5 месяцев назад

I love these videos so much, they've made me such a better player so fast! I actually hit a masse shot like the one at 8:50 to pocket a ball, get shape for the 8, and avoid a double hit for the win just the other day! My buddies were so shocked too

@DrDaveBilliards 5 месяцев назад

I’m glad to hear it.

@zahidsalam5704 4 года назад

Another awesome video. Thanks

@clarkkent1521 4 года назад

All the casual people I play need to watch this video. How many damn times do I need to explain that you need to hit a cushion and double hits?

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Now you can just play the video for them. :)

@mehranzare-bidoky1541 3 года назад

Unbelievably well described. Thanks!

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

Thank you. And you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

@cody_go_create 2 года назад

I’m a brand new player so I really appreciate this. That being said, the intention miscue to prevent a double hit, seemed like a crafty smart play. I wonder why it’s so frowned upon that you could get thrown out of a game or tournament? I appreciate all these videos Dr. Dave!

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

I'm glad you like it. The only info concerning unsportsmanlike conduct intentional fouls is in Section 6.17 of the WPA rules here: wpapool.com/rules-of-play/#Fouls

@jackhanke343 4 года назад

This is a super thorough video, great work!

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Thanks. I’m glad you liked it.

@bushputz 4 года назад

9:10 You can use a similar technique where the position of the cue ball does not allow you to use the edge of the table. Simply hook your thumb in a belt loop and use it to limit your stroke.

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

bushputz That sounds familiar. See: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zWukirAlb4Y.html Although, there, I use a belt loop to help support the bridge hand. I like your idea to use it instead to limit the motion of the grip hand.

@wombra8314 4 года назад

so enlightening wow 👍

@simplereefer 3 года назад

Thanks for this! super helpful

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

@alexdaneau186 7 месяцев назад

Merci. This was educational Dr. Thanks!

@DrDaveBilliards 7 месяцев назад

I’m glad you liked it. You’re welcome.

@samfajardogerman3965 4 года назад

Very helpful video!!

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Thanks. Please help spread the word. This is one very I wish every league player could be required to watch.

@fury88888 4 года назад

Great video!

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Thanks! Please help spread the word. The more people that see this, the better. It is a shame how little many players know about the rules.

@artemkatelnytskyi 6 месяцев назад

Invaluable information!

@DrDaveBilliards 6 месяцев назад

I’m glad you think so. I just wish all league players would agree with you.

@addisonkirtley1691 5 месяцев назад

I play all of these rules except for scoop shots. We allow them so as not to accidentally tear the fabric on the table and is generally agreed upon

@amsounds1 4 года назад

always interesting

@razzlemankd 2 года назад

Thanks very much for taking the time to post these examples of fouls in American 8 ball pool. Good to know especially if your opponent likes to try to deceive 👏👍

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

I wish this video were required viewing for anybody who plays pool. If it were, there would be far fewer disagreements and arguments.

@arjunsidd7101 4 года назад

mucha gracias doc

@cjr3559 4 года назад

Dr. Dave for president 👍🏻🙂

@Zoronii 4 года назад

I didn't know about 2:27! I only play casually with my mates so it'll be good to tell them we can be more lenient about bumping other balls.

@george_anak_lihi_private_hot Год назад

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@AdamGoulett 4 года назад

Great video

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Thanks. Please help spread the word about this video. It should be required viewing by anybody who ever picks up a cue. These too: pool terminology and basics: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5pAlv7RAaoo.html pool etiquette: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8UdqaV05Kuk.html

@harley5571 3 года назад

The technique at 9:32 is fabulous. It'll save me from miscuing on that reach across length of the table shot.

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

I'm glad you like it, and I hope you get to use it effectively.

@ral819 2 года назад

Dr Dave, If your not in the "Hall of Fame " , you should be. Definitely enjoy you videos... I have always learned something about Billiards.

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

Thank you for the kind words. I'm glad you like and benefit from my stuff.

@santiagomolinareina4405 4 года назад

Hello Dr. Dave. Thank you for these amazing educational videos, you've helped me to better understand, improve and enjoy my game! Just wanted to know if you have any idea regarding the iligal break (a combination of 3 balls pocketed and crossing the breaking line). On the tournaments I've watched through youtube, sometimes it's applied, and others not. So I'm not sure if it's a WPA and BCA rule. ??? Thanks again and I hope that we have the chance to play some day.

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

The 3-ball-across-the-line rule is not standard but some tournaments decide to use it. Many tournaments have rules that deviate from the WPA rules slightly. For example rules variations, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/stats/#9-ball

@kokopeds8588 3 года назад

Thank you

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

@jakepooltv Год назад

Nice tutorial.. thanks

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

Thank you, and you’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

@wackaflacka548 Год назад

That moment you realize you've been potentially playing wrong for years without even knowing. Thanks Dr Dave, will work to be a more legit player!

@jonnygolf4737 4 года назад

Good vids 👍 subbed

@miketottenham1865 Год назад

great instructional vid... any chance you can do one on stalemate situations?

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

Thanks. Stalemates are on my list, but not very high up. Hopefully, I’ll get to it some day.

@JohnDoe-oo9ll Год назад

Now these are the rules I was looking for!!!!! Finally

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

FYI, a lot more pertinent info and videos can be found here: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ and here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/ Enjoy!

@beercanbrian1880 3 года назад

If I wanna get into a throw down in a bar, I'm calling these illegal hits. In my leagues, legal hit conversation comes up all the time. This is a good video to save.

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

Agreed. I wish all league players (and people that play in bars) were required to watch this video. There would be a lot less "misunderstandings."

@sijalf 4 года назад

Snooker vids: Tequila Snooker / Pool vids: Dr. Dave Dr. Dave You are awesome.

@heiligerbimmbamm1700 4 года назад

9:50 And this is legal. xD I must play a shot like this next time. Ty Dr. Dave!

@george_anak_lihi_private_hot Год назад

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@glend.gonzaga9295 4 года назад

Thanks

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Rodrigo Garrido Dato-on You’re welcome.

@NickKravitz 4 года назад

Great Video! Seems like most bar pool players never know the rules. Any chance you will take your pool classes on the road? Would love to see you on the east coast.

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

I do not have plans to travel to give lessons or courses. I'm kept busy enough doing lessons and courses in Colorado.

@SlickRick4EVER 4 года назад

Nick, bar pool players really don't play pool right. In my eyes, they really are pool bangers.

@nathansharp3193 4 года назад

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for putting this video together! This will help me to either avoid or start barfights...depending on the size of my opponent! *joke*

@cosmicraysshotsintothelight 4 года назад

Some guy I was playing tied himself up on his last shot. It was the cue ball, 8 inches, my ball, 8 inches, and the 8 ball, all on (near) the rail with the 8 just 2 inches from the pocket. The little bastard scoop jumped it and he and another idiot started cheering and high 5ing each other. He comes over to me... "Good game..." and I said, "Yeah, except that the shot you took was not legal." "That is not a legal jump shot." Actually, folks like that are too dumb to instruct, because they are not going to believe you anyway. Especially not in a hick bar setting.

@ks3bigksudjoht180 2 года назад

1:58 Remember that one time O'Sullivan measured with his chalk? Guess it wasn't pool. LOL

@leedrew06 4 года назад

Dr. AWESOME

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Thanks.

@TheFilipFonky 4 месяца назад

This video had me getting all philosophical: If a foul is committed but no one is there to see it, was it a foul?

@DrDaveBilliards 4 месяца назад

… only if the player is honest.

@Seeka-re6lg 2 года назад

12:13 can we take a second to realize that this is insane!? first, that you even touch the cue ball MULTIPLE times, and secondly that is is never considered a foul even knowing this. mindblown... this video is WAY underrated

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

Agreed. I wish every pool player (especially every leagues player) was required to watch this video.

@Ramp10er 4 года назад

These foul shot depends on what kind of game you're playing and also depends on agreement with both parties... But most of these foul shots are from 9 ball and 8 ball and 10 ball... I'm talking about the balls hitting a cushion after a hit with a kick shot... Nice Video by the way...

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Thanks. You are right ... the focus in this video is on 8/19/10 ball; although, most of the rules apply to all pool games. Concerning "depends on agreement with both parties," if the official WPA rules of pool are always used, there is no need for negotiation or possible disagreements.

@marthalavigne1651 2 года назад

Looking at this video, I know my husband commits some fouls that I have seen here thanks!! I'll have to have him look at this video!

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

I hope he listens and watches the video. All pool players, especially in leagues, should be required to watch this video.

@tacocado89 4 года назад

Never thought of blowing on a ball to avoid scratching, definitely gonna try it the next time a shoot a game with the dudes

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

It's illegal, but it is still fun.

@Busboo Год назад

Dr. Dave, I have some more questions: 1. Technically speaking, in super slow motion, are swerve shots caused by double hitting at more than one tiny contact point? 2. What would be the result if the last object ball bounced back from the pocket? Thank you sir

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

1. No. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/swerve/ 2. It is just like any other missed shot. Play continues.

@elie6769 2 года назад

Mohem you have to put something in a cushion after contact but it can be cue ball only

@DMGDx 4 года назад

great video! are the relevant rules the same for 9-ball?

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Winston Double Yes, except for the 8-ball-specific stuff.

@allenboone6746 3 года назад

I really appreciate your videos. However, some close up slow motion frames would help me to actually SEE the double hits, etc. Thanks for such detailed information.

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

FYI, I have lots of super slow motion double hit examples in the videos here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/ Enjoy!

@unburningflame Год назад

Some of these would only be called in a pro match. Most of the double hits aren't known by the general public. And the beginning 8-ball bank safety I've never seen people call that. Even if it technically is a foul. If it gets that many corners and the target ball then most consider it fine. I remember some of this from Billards and Bowling camp back in 93, but this stuff is rarely enforced outside of official stuff. At the end of the day, all these were decided on at some point anyway. They may have well been different in a different world. Take a ball bounce out in golf. The same rule is opposite in baseball. If you clear the yellow line, it's a homerun regardless if it bounces off a fan's head and back in the field. But in golf you could sink from the tee and it bounce out. And yet the hole guard wasn't put there for any reason other than to catch the ball.

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

Fouls might not be called in some home pool rooms and bars, but they are certainly called in most leagues and tournaments (amateur or pro) and by any decent players who know the game.

@Crazywaffle5150 Месяц назад

Any BAC tournament, even in amateur uses these rules.

@mojoxphotography 2 года назад

Makes me wonder how often my buddies and I are fouling with double hits....but we don't have the slow-mo, knowledge, or sobriety to make those detections when we shoot in our pub. :) Those rail shots, though, really have me thinking!

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

You don't need slow-motion video to detect double hits, but you do need to know what to look for.

@mojoxphotography 2 года назад

@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks to your video I started picking up on some double hits this weekend. I didn't call the other guy on it, though. He's having enough trouble maintaining his composure when I womp him repeatedly. If I tried to explain this to him he might start crying.

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

@@mojoxphotography You don’t need to explain it. Just tell h8m to watch the video. 🤓

@jeffc3755 8 месяцев назад

I know this is an older video, but the shot at 1:00 that you say is good is also a foul. Your set up is that the eight is frozen so if the cue ball doesn’t get a rail, the eight must hit a rail it isn’t frozen to or leave the frozen rail, hit and object ball then hit the frozen rail in order to be a good hit.

@DrDaveBilliards 8 месяцев назад

Under the WPA "official rules of pool," the OB does not need to be driven to a "different" rail. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/

@Michael-Khoi 8 месяцев назад

Most of the fouls are becoming more common because how ironic the cue ball are, but they are very rare if the cue ball is jumped off the table or sitting on the table floor while the feet is in the air.

@DrDaveBilliards 8 месяцев назад

Agreed. Many of the rules and fouls rarely come up, especially in top-level play.

@jeffc3755 8 месяцев назад

Dave, thanks for the pointing that out. WPA is definitely an outlier with this specific rule and I learned yet another difference in various rule sets!

@DrDaveBilliards 8 месяцев назад

@@jeffc3755 Agreed. I hope this is one rule they change in the next revision.

@KableK422 4 года назад

I have a question about difference in rules between BCAPL and WPA rules, not related to fouls specifically. This is from BCAPL rules: "Obvious Shot (AR p. 77, 85) A shot in which the non-shooting player has no doubt as to, or does not question, the ball and the pocket. A shot in which the cue ball has a clear path to the object ball and the object ball has a clear path to the pocket. The following types of shots are exceptions and are defined as being "not obvious": a. bank shots; b. kick shots c. combination shots; d. shots that include caroms, kisses or cushion contacts that are not incidental; e. any shot judged as not obvious by the referee. [...] 8. A shot that was obvious prior to the shot will count for the shooter if the shot inadvertently: a. becomes a bank shot because the called ball did not go directly into the called pocket but instead contacted two or more cushions prior to being pocketed in the called pocket, or; b. becomes a kick shot because the cue ball initially missed the called ball, contacted one or more cushions, and then pocketed the called ball in the called pocket." So my question is, if you are playing under WPA rules and you make a shot as described in the BCA 8 a or b (above) without calling it, will it count for the shooter as well even though it is not explicitly defined as a good shot in the rules like it is in BCAPL? It seems to me that it should, because if not that implies that an 'obvious pocket' call is not worth as much as an explicitly called pocket, since if the pocket was explicitly called it wouldn't matter how it got there as long as it was a legal shot. But I am curious about your interpretation as I couldn't find anything about this on the Pool Rule Differences resource page. EDIT: Also, I would appreciate if you could include a section on the Pool Rule Differences resource page for WPA rules. For example, as it is in APA, in WPA you can not hit the 8 ball first if the table is open or it is a foul. It seems like the rule differences page as it is now lists rules have that are different from WPA, so if you choose to not add a section for WPA as well it might be better to remove that part from APA and say you CAN hit the 8 ball first on an open table in the other rulesets, since APA does not disagree with WPA in this instance. EDIT 2: The discrepancy on the Pool Rule Differences page has been fixed (see reply to this comment)

@klieu90210 4 года назад

Yes, use the same definition of "obvious shot" in the BCA rules for WPA rules. Both rulesets call it the same regarding "obvious" shots. The only discrepancy you may possibly be interested to know is that for the game of Chinese 8-ball, not played using either WPA or BCA rules, although based off WPA rules, that "obvious shots" that inadvertently go in indirectly will be called a foul if you didn't call the pocket, no matter how obvious.

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Under most implementations of WPA rules, obvious shots do not need to by called. As long as the ball goes in the obvious intended pocket, the shot is good. This is not totally spelled out in the rules, but this is how it is typically implemented.

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Thank you for pointing out the hitting-the-8-first-with-an-open-table discrepancy on my rule differences page. FYI, I just fixed it. Only VNEA allows this.

@KableK422 4 года назад

@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks Dave!

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Kable K You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

@MarcassCarcass 4 года назад

You're awesome! Thank you so much! I wondering about when balls get spotted. I once heard that they don't get spotted in a scratch if the object balls went in before the white ball, but they do get spotted if they went in after the white ball. But what about all the other fouls? Do they call for balls to be spotted (only if it's the shooters balls)?

@bowow0807 4 года назад

As a general rule any ball that goes down stays down. But this can depend on what game you're playing and what rules you're under. Where I am, if you have a ball handicap in 10ball for example 9-10 handicap, if your opponent fouls/scratches and makes the 9 then the 9 gets spotted no matter which got pocketed first, but if you foul/scratch and make the 9 then the 9 stays down whether or not it went in before the BP.

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

Mark Fleener It depends on the game; but under the official rules of 8-ball and 9-ball, nothing gets spotted after a scratch.

@brettunderwood7291 4 года назад

Lol I lost it when he blew on the cue ball 🤣

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

It actually worked better than I thought it would. That CB was moving fairly fast toward the pocket.

@brettunderwood7291 4 года назад

Next shot skid because of spit probably 🤣

@wakkun8183 8 месяцев назад

2:15 im laughing 😂😂 Thank you Dr. Dave

@DrDaveBilliards 8 месяцев назад

I was actually surprised I was able to stop that ball. I'm glad you liked it.

@Snowbag1998 4 года назад

Part starting at 2:03 was hilarious! Anyways, very important topic !

@george_anak_lihi_private_hot Год назад

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@emankov 4 года назад

top 100 of the most valueable videos in pool

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

emankov Thank you. I wish everybody thought this, especially the countless league players that are clueless about most of this stuff.

@BlackStarEOP 4 года назад

@@DrDaveBilliards Well, this clearly helps us win games against them ;)

@gamegeekx 2 года назад

I like how you explained the legitamite tournament rules. Unfortunately most people let half or 75% of these slide for casual play. Now if they were playing in a tournament, they would be f&*^ed. Myself included. But I know I'm terrible at pool and know my place. I just play for fun. Or in this case, "casual"

@dwaynehendricks7842 4 года назад

Although snooker/one pocket is second in line right behind billiards, one pocket/snooker and straight pool are next. Then 9-ball. Then 8-ball. Billiards is the bomb!

@victorgallegos6595 2 года назад

Amazing Video. Quick question. If i make an object ball in a pocket i didnt intend to or call, is that ball in hand for my opponent or just loss of turn or both?

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

Under standard 8-ball rules, that is just loss of turn (assuming you didn't also pocket a called ball).

@freetimeisfootball 4 года назад

The second minute was to good hahahaha

@themohammadmolaei Год назад

Few questions, I'm aware below are all ball in hand fouls. However: 1. What happens to the ball pocketed if u pocket the ball on a foul? 2. What happens to the ball if u hit ur or the opponent's ball off the table? 3. What happens to the pocketed ball if u hit the opponents ball first and pocket ur ball?

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

FYI, you can look up answers to these and any rules questions via the links to the rule set of interest here: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ Under WPA rules: 1. stays down 2. stays down 3. stays down

@themohammadmolaei Год назад

@@DrDaveBilliards thats how I've been playing but recently I've seen so many different rules pop up , somewhere I saw if u hit a ball off the table u have to put it back in the middle , so alot of confusing info out there

@themohammadmolaei Год назад

Thanks for all your great content

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

@@themohammadmolaei You’re welcome.

@JD-rg2bo Год назад

I have a combination question for bar pool LOL if I'm solids and I want to use a combination with a 8-ball in the middle is that okay like one ball - eight ball - three ball

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

All that matters is hitting one of your balls first and making the called ball. Anything else goes. For mor info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/

@nathansharp3193 4 года назад

3:09 How many attempts did you try to make the cue ball ride the rail before you just manually demonstrated the action? I thank you again for taking the time to make this awesome demonstration of the rules in action!

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

I tried a bunch. That’s the kind of thing that only seems to happen when you’re not trying to do it.

@george_anak_lihi_private_hot Год назад

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@tkreiner1902 Год назад

My opponent gave me a push shot foul on a shot where no objectball was in the near. Just because i played it with slow speed to hold position and for him, it looked like a push shot. In my mind, it was legal because i felt no wrong stroke and even i pushed it, i don't think i could hold the speed. It was just a shot in the middle pocket cueball 1 diamond away from rail and objectball about 1.5 diamonds away with a little angle. I accepted his call but for my mind it was a legal hit.

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

It is certainly possible to “push” a shot like this, but it is also easy to hit it without a push: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/push/

@neuvocastezero1838 2 года назад

9:57 I had no idea. I'm glad I'm not a referee.

@adamjohnhurley 3 года назад

I have a few questions regarding 8 ball pool? What if I call a pocket and the ball Doesn't go directly in but bounces around the table but then still goes in the same pocket is that a legal shot? second question if I call a pocket but my ball bounces off another ball, mine or my oppositions but goes in the pocket does that still count as a legal shot? 3rd ? If I bump a ball on accident or on purpose and it interferes with any balls does my opponent get to put the Q ball wherever they want? thank you, great video.

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

FYI, all rules can be found here, for both the official WPA rules and typical “bar rules!” billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ A good concise rules summary can also be found there: billiards.colostate.edu/resource_files/rules_summary.pdf Under the official rules, all you need to call is the pocket, on any shot. Nothing else matters.

@carlmatt3697 4 года назад

Just played in a tournament that said your object ball and only your object ball had to hit a cushion to be a legal shot

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

That is true. The CB is not required to hit a cushion, as long as an OB hits a cushion after contact. But under standard rules, if the CB hits a cushion after contact, even if an OB doesn't hit a cushion, then the shot is also legal.

@jayvenable4279 Год назад

Dr. Dave, which rules are best for amateur tournaments at our country club? We have one individual and one partner tournament each winter.

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

I think everybody should use the WPA official rules of pool when they play pool. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ But many Americans in casual settings prefer "bar rules:" billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/bar-rules

@saadrahman3206 2 года назад

Hi I have a couple questions about 8 ball. Do you only put the cue ball behind the headstring when doing the break shot? For example if I have ball in hand after my opponent fouls I can put it anywhere on the table right? It doesn't have to be behind the headstring?

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

The CB goes behind the headstring only for the break and after a foul on the break shot. FYI, answers to all rules questions can be found in the videos, info, and links here: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/

@loganhowlett2349 3 года назад

Rules can become that funny 😂😂

@dzenismnvc513 2 года назад

Hi Dr.Dave if the cue Ball goes in can you place it where ever you want

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

Yes, under the "official rules of pool." See the videos, links, and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/

@jkboy6996 Год назад

Rail after contact. Does it have to be the cue OR the ball you hit? or the cue and/or ANY other ball must hit the rail?

@DrDaveBilliards Год назад

After CB-OB contact, either the CB or an OB must hit the rail. That is the only requirement. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/

@zenjy. 2 года назад

Could please make a video on being Snookered in 8 ball pool and give examples of situations of being snookered.

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

Many can be found here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/safety/ The most common escape is a kick shot. Many examples of those can be found here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/ Enjoy!

@tecnotutos7727 2 месяца назад

Hey, what about when having a difficult to reach shot, is it a foul putting one knee on the table to reach it easier even if my other foot is having contact with the floor?

@DrDaveBilliards 2 месяца назад

That is allowed, as long as one foot remains in contact with the floor during the hit.

@KatanaBart 4 года назад

Had a question for years, including in tournaments. If you have the last ball of your kind (solids/stripes), and you sink both that ball and the 8-ball, AND you call the entire shot including both balls, is this still legal? If so would it depend on whether the 8 ball goes in before or after the other?

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

The 8 must be pocketed with a final shot, and only after all of the "suite" balls have been pocketed on previous shots.

@ralphwiggum240 2 года назад

@ 2:17 ! N!ce save, Dr. Dave!

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

Thanks. Too bad it ain't legal. It's fun.

@rad0947 2 года назад

So if I’m solids and my 5 ball flys off the table does it get spotted or does it drop as a dead ball

@DrDaveBilliards 2 года назад

Balls jumped off the table are not spotted, but this is a foul. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/

@cosmingalpoker4599 2 месяца назад

Does white circles ( dots for training) were can I find them to buy?

@DrDaveBilliards 2 месяца назад

See: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/training/teaching/

@vdjgkhmkvfjmbvfg 4 года назад

Do we loss or not if we kick 9 and 7 in the whole at the same time ( we kick 9 first and we on 9 side )?

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

In 9 ball, as long as you hit the lowest-number ball first, nothing else matters. In 8 ball, as long as you hit one of your balls first and pocket a called ball, nothing else matters.

@matthewharris5270 4 года назад

Great video even tho some of these rules don’t apply as I play 2 shot pool or world rules. Fouls including jumping the ball and touching by accident is a foul on purpose is loss of frame. Other than that pretty similar.

@DrDaveBilliards 4 года назад

I'm not sure what "world rules" you are referring to. The "official rules of pool" are the World Pool-Billiard Association (WPA) World Standardized Rules (WSR). They are used in international professional pool tournaments and are the basis of most league system rules. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/

@matthewharris5270 4 года назад

Also known as English rules. Under wepf.

@klixtrio7760 4 года назад

Double contact shots are my pet peeve. Sooo many people in my experience cant understand why it's a foul. On top of that it can change a game in a single shot. The shooter could have a straight angle and lots of clusters on the table, then the cue ball goes flying 60mph completing changing the layout on the table.

@letmebreakitdown2u152 Год назад

Once the board is disrupted what good is calling a foul at that point?

@kea888 3 года назад

Hello Dr. Dave. Your video helps me a lot. Thank you. I have a question about driving a ball to a cushion. Someone told me that if an object ball is ON(frozen) to a rail, that object ball became a part of the rail so that if another object ball hits that ball(frozen to a rail) it will be considered as hit a rail (legal shot). Is it true??

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

No. That is not true. Under standard WPA and CSI rules, after CB-OB contact, a ball (any ball) must be driven to a cushion (or pocketed). A ball already touching a cushion is not "driven to a cushion" and it is not considered "part of the cushion" (because it is not).

@kea888 3 года назад

@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you for your quick reply!

@DrDaveBilliards 3 года назад

@@kea888 You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)