Yet to find / experience anyone in my USA area who comes close to Neil in Expertise, Patience, Interest in Difficult cases and the ability to strike a balance between Technology & Skilled Eyes / Brain. Most won't listen to feedback because of their ego.
Thanks, Neill! What you describe likely separates the average from the best. I have a hard time even finding a fitter that can even do an average fit. Most are stuck in the past and force long cranks, ball on foot cleat position, ect. I can do better fit than most fitters in Boston, USA by using your videos plus listening to my body. I may be forced to just switch back to my flat pedals as then some of the foot issues are taken out of the equation. What you describe in analyzing the feet is not something I can do and likely requires a personal visit to you. If I am ever in Australia, I am paying you a visit.
its true. when you have a money back guarantee it forces you to be a better craftsman. but at the same time it also attracts genuine customer. it also allows you to fire a client and not take the money comfortably.
The rider interview and off-bike assessment have been big selling points on many of the “system” fittings - I know you spend a lot of time getting to understand the riders body before they get on the bike (because that’s your background). My first experience with that was at Retul academy (that’s what they call their fitting school) was they did the interview and assessment, learned that I have had some pretty serious back injuries, and based my entire fitting on that. When they were done, the position was unridable - these are the instructors doing the fitting! I see other fitters at my shop do the same thing, it’s painful to watch. My takeaway from this is that riding and walking are very different skill sets, how the rider supports themselves on the bike and turns the pedals can’t be overlooked. I always find myself doing off-bike assessments when I find there is something in the pedal stroke that shouldn’t be there. I also find that learned habits don’t often show up in the assessment, but they do when the pedals start turning... I do wish my shop would allow a money back guarantee. Much like seeing a doctor, there’s an assumption made that it probably won’t work, which is why fitters get so little feedback. I come from a coaching background, I’ve always loved having constant contact and feedback with my riders. What I’ve learned is that looking at someone on a trainer isn’t the whole story, and I’ll probably get a lot wrong on the first fitting. That’s my top reason for not offering long, expensive fittings - too much of a show for me.
Great stuff mate! You should teach a certification course on this and All bike fitters should be required to take the course. Well done, problem is finding someone here in US to follow your lead. : (
Ok, this video is very dangerous, for your bank account makes a european guy wanna book a flight overseas to meet him and enjoy his level of expertise on proper bikefitting 😁
Thanks again for sharing your wisdom Neil, wish you were closer 🤓, good luck in you new location, maybe I'll book cycling vacation in Australia and pay you a visit!!
Just spent 12k aud on my bike, fit took 20 mins tops, really angry tbh, just booked a proper session with a spec fitter, cleats were pre fitted to new shoes
Oh boy I would be so self-conscious if Neill or any other bike fitter was manipulating my nasty feet that much…however I’d also gladly quarantine for two weeks to have the opportunity to work with him! 👏🏻
Wish Neil was in the northeast USA, I did a bike fit at a supposedly reparable place "Fit Werx Peobody, MA" a Christmas gift from my wife that cost her a total of $350.00... I still linger with the same problems, and when I reached out to them to get a refit, get this they told me it cost another $50/hour to dial it in. Shit if i remember correctly I was in and out in about 45min...wish they had a money-back guarantee...
Cyclists nodules ... They can be extremely painful and annoying ... Whenever I bring my training volume up to 15h+ per week a small cluster of nodules starts to form to the left of my perineum. Would you have a bike fitter have a look at my position on my bike or are there other things could have overlooked next to the obvious ones such as saddle, shape of shammy, ...?? I'd be extremely happy about some solid advice as I've not been able to figure this out for years and it's basically what limits my training hours on the bike 😥
I will be going back for my 3rd session with my bike fitter (ibfi certified) to solve my problems. it's actually not the amount of money spent, but I just want to enjoy my ride. I wish you were in my country to do the bike fit for me.
Sounds like Neil loves a challenge. I would love to turn up and see if he could spot & resolve my issues without me telling him. #CyclingSleuth Might have to fly over when we open up! #ChallengeNeil
Another great video gents. Like Cam, I have a 6mm shim under one of my cleats, but find there is a lot of lateral rocking on the pedal (Speedplay). I’ve checked the baseplate is flat, but still can’t resolve the issue. This creates a large amount of instability on that pedal, and I wondered if Neill has seen this, and how I might correct it? Thanks
I had a bike fitting as I had a pain between my shoulder blades hopping that it would resolve the problem Unfortunately ended up having more pain between my shoulders and my neck as well as both knees pain ! How this could have gone so wrong !? Now I am trying to make all adjustment by myself ....
Hello. I know that mountain biking is not the same as road cycling... But i'm curious if you know where some good info about mtb fitting could be found. Thank you for the very good content.
Amazing content, love the way he explains! I have a question about the leg length discrepancy... I've been consulting with a chiropractor and there is a leg discrepancy I've been working with adjustments and pilates practice to keep this adjustments. My question to Neil is: Is this shim correction method "strengthening" some of muscle weakness that might should be worked as it's compensating for that? (sorry about my english, not a native speaker hahah)
I´m going to be fitted in 2 weeks. I´m wondering how the fit twill be and for sure I will observe if the fitter does not pay much attention to some of those points I might ask. Especially differences between legs, symetry and foot. I´m having pain in my right knee. thanks for this channel!
Great info as always. Met Gotz Heine a couple of years ago and moved cleats back fully (MTB). Adjusted other stuff to compensate and cured a lot of stuff for me. (Torn l5 l4 pseudo cramp thing). Anyhow, question is can a fitter do a good fit with MTB type cleats? Plenty tourists and not race cyclists prefer this. Many thanks
Thanks a lot for this super informative video, I'm looking for a bike fitter in London for a while and the variation in session length, price and covered analysis is huge, making a decision really difficult. This will help a lot to filter good professionals from noise out there. By the way, any recommendations for London will be much appreciated.
Neil is the Best I've ever seen & his descriptions in understandable terms are SO helpful. - London - This Fitter I would also say does an excellent job -too in explaining & not relying on digital "stuff" to help someone ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RNLQY6gBZsg.html Note - Cade's Channel presents Bike Fit Tuesdays which offers a serious of Fit Videos on various topics that are excellent ....... Just found saw the Fitter's (James) website = www.bicyclerichmond.co.uk/bike-fit
Thanks a lot for the recommendation@@mysho6317, I follow Cade as well and have watched some of his Bike fit episodes, they are great. Unfortunately, bookings with James start from September and I'm trying to sort a knee pain issue quite earlier than that.
Indded @@drnorton364, I found him from the Steve Hogg website, seems really solid. I know it's a money worth investing but £350 is quite a lot for a PhD researcher budget :P To be fair, his service is the longest I've seen at around 6h whle the average consultation is between 2-3h
Just had my first fit. 3 score and two years old. 73" with 34" inseam. Fitment experience was "okay". I'm satisfied that the seat is in the right position and my position on the aerobars is good. Fitter did a cursory flexibility test that took 30 seconds. I don't have any impingements and am fairly flexible for an oldie so I suppose that's why it was quick. Fitter relied on the retul data. "Guarantee" wasn't stated but I get a 1 year follow-up and if I have any issues I can return, so I suppose that's as good as a guarantee. He installed a thin shim under each cleat due to pronation. No assessment of crank length or my foot position otherwise. I've slammed my cleats all the way back to move my foot forward so he didn't change that. My only complaint is that he slid the seat fwd on the rails rather than move it on the seat post. I had to measure seat position, move the seat on the post then center the rails myself. Overall I'm glad I did it, but I don't feel I had a "stanbury" experience. That's not surprising since he never heard of you... or Burt or has seen Bike Fit Tuesdays or any other youtube vid on fitting. I asked him that up front and was nonplussed when he said that. I mean, I'm a newbie and I've watched hundreds of fitting videos by everybody with a british, aussie or kiwi accent. Keep up the good work Neill.
As we say in Trinidad and Tobago the most southerly islands of the Caribbean in local palance "This fella know his onions." He has bike fitting down to a science 🚴🏿♂️
At my last fit (for a custom frame), I walked in and the fitter says "oh you have a compression"... i.e. I lean to one side (compression of torso between ribs and pelvis)... I knew I was onto a winner there and then. We also dropped my saddle by about 2.5cm as he identified I'm very inflexible at my hips. Both things were not picked up by a fit I had previously for another bike.
I have had a couple of fits with a uk based steve hogg fitter. I have ended up with 19mm (!!) shim. It took a while to realise such a large shim was needed but it's the only way I could ride comfortably. Safe to say I am outlier (with odd looking shoes)
1) Plumb bob out, then run, 2) If they look at the "system" (cough, retul, cough) numbers and don't listen to you, then run 3) If they refer to anything they are doing as "what the pros do" for justification, then run.
@@peteyuckly4628 Sure, for context I am a tall 196cm average weight mid 90k kgs. But I have had 2 different retul fits and they set my saddle too high. (first was 86cm second was 89cm) i am now at 84cm also it leans a little long for me on reach (front of saddle to tops was 77.5 & 80cms) I am now at 76cm. I think Retul is a good start for fitting for most people but it doesn't pick up / fix issues which needs the next level up of fitting experience.
@@richscorer thanks for the feedback! I am the same height as you. I need that next level of attention. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Very helpful.
@@peteyuckly4628 tbh the most difference I got was from +⁴mm spds, saddle height, shoes insoles and then longer saddle, I had the s works power and it was not long enough for me to rotate my pelvis. The reach was just a bonus for comfort IMO. Good luck with your search for comfort!
@@richscorer thanks again for the feedback. I am looking at going to a pro mechanic/fitter named Jim O'Brien in Charlotte NC. He has a great reputation and wrenched for the Bissell Pro Cont team among others. His bike fit process on his website says all the right things just like Neil Stanbury says. Right now I have a major right foot issue with discomfort and hot foot/pressure points that are causing pain. I am seeing a podiatrist and trying to work that out. It's a process...
nooo I live 5 minutes away from your previous location. Oh well, good excuse for a day trip to the beach! But that commute is killer working close to home is much better!
Going to a fitter next week. I have always had a shorter leg. Is a cleat shim the most common “fix”? My fitter did not address my cleats in my last fitting.
Road Cycling Academy that sounds awesome! Am a recreational cyclist trying to get the gist of bike fitting and there is a debate that a real bike fit requires those equipment
