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Four Times the Fun | 4 Borderlands Games, 1 Run | Part 1 

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It's all 4 Borderlands games in 1 run.
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@clouded13
@clouded13 4 года назад
Give it up, killer I’ve got all the quest markers at my disposal Speak to Lilith Talk to Lilith Return to sanctuary
@chillypep2
@chillypep2 4 года назад
clear the area
@reubensavage6447
@reubensavage6447 3 года назад
@@chillypep2 loot while waiting
@mrdooce7053
@mrdooce7053 3 года назад
NOOOOO
@mokingit578
@mokingit578 4 года назад
I like how the pre sequel slice is significantly smaller
@samanthawarpup2666
@samanthawarpup2666 4 года назад
Not to mention he doesn't have tales of the borderlands in there😂 oop someone would have to play the whole thing cause there are no lvl systems in Tales of the borderlands 😂
@BakaTaco
@BakaTaco 4 года назад
Truthfully, the Presequel is FINE. I have played it and loved it. It IS a Borderlands game. It plays like one, acts like one and feels like one. In my opinion, it's over exaggerated how bad it is. It's the weakest of the lot, for sure, but not as bad as people seem to think. Then again, I see the best of a bad situation, so there's that.
@darksouls8667
@darksouls8667 4 года назад
@@BakaTaco IKR , i was wondering why people hate the presequel so much , i personally find it entertaining and as fun as bl 2 lol
@chainsawmassacre6155
@chainsawmassacre6155 4 года назад
And yet he got it most of the times 😂
@Winasaurus
@Winasaurus 4 года назад
@@BakaTaco Honestly, it's better than BL1, at least in terms of user experience. BL1 has aged a fair bit now, and there's a lot of things that just aren't so great now. The weapon selection in BL1 is something a lot of people forget about. Manufacturers hardly mattered in BL1 except for Maliwan elemental. Is this Combat Rifle S&S, Torgue, or Vladof? You don't know except for the color. Remember when Torgue made SMGs? Remember how they were like Dahls and Tediores but slightly more damage? Brick and Roland are hardly useful, Mordecai is only good for Trespass and Lilith is the real choice. At least Pre-Sequel had more than one actual usable character. And I'm someone with a collective over 400h in Borderlands 1, 300h in Pre-sequel, and over 1k in Borderlands 2. So I'm no pre-sequel fanboy who never played the OG or anything.
@jamesmark5601
@jamesmark5601 4 года назад
I can’t wait for Oboe to say no every time he rolls Pre-Sequel
@miletilblight2181
@miletilblight2181 4 года назад
I want him to just change it for some other game with levels and hopes no one notices I could say like outer worlds but I haven't played that yet so I'd just refuse to watch these until later so if he does I'm hoping Skyrim or fallout any one beside 76
@strebicux6174
@strebicux6174 4 года назад
@@miletilblight2181 sigurd
@islarf5095
@islarf5095 4 года назад
It's actually annoying me. Pre Sequel is generally very fun. He's just complaining cause it's the popular thing to do.
@massivednegelhere6887
@massivednegelhere6887 4 года назад
@@islarf5095 wdym the popular thing to do?
@vikinggamer7727
@vikinggamer7727 3 года назад
@@massivednegelhere6887 i'm guessing with everybody hating it or atleast 98% hating it, he doesn't wanna get on poeples bad side, so he just says it's bad but he secretly likes playing the game, that's basically the translated version of the other reply.
@myssledissle
@myssledissle 4 года назад
I've got all the borderlands games at my disposal! One, Two, Three, What was the last one? Oh I remember, Legends!
@miletilblight2181
@miletilblight2181 4 года назад
Just casually switches pre sequel for Skyrim or another better game and just filled it with RNG mods Or even better replace it with that tiny Tina card game he has to find some one to play it on stream every time
@un1xify
@un1xify 4 года назад
Last one!? Someone else likes... "Legends" Dammit!
@theoledicktwist6247
@theoledicktwist6247 4 года назад
@@miletilblight2181 just replace it with like a shitty knock-off of a borderlands game
@colddekstar
@colddekstar 4 года назад
@@theoledicktwist6247 like destiny Imagine a smug face and a snap point, in an incredibly sarcastic tone
@chyledebuser
@chyledebuser 4 года назад
Borderlands 2 is the corrosion of The Borderlands series.
@coco-colaboy6606
@coco-colaboy6606 4 года назад
And the pre sequel is slag
@gimmickymoos
@gimmickymoos 4 года назад
@@coco-colaboy6606 no, it's corrosion from borderlands 3
@olive6942
@olive6942 4 года назад
@@coco-colaboy6606 slag is actually good though
@juanifogolin5317
@juanifogolin5317 4 года назад
Wide Eyed tell me another one
@olive6942
@olive6942 4 года назад
@@juanifogolin5317 you have a life
@DeadKaat
@DeadKaat 4 года назад
See this is a really fun and good idea until you run into ava and pickle at the same time
@NuclearRaven13
@NuclearRaven13 4 года назад
Picava
@oof1374
@oof1374 3 года назад
I didn't mind Pickle to be honest. he was a cool lad lol.
@ap30112002
@ap30112002 4 года назад
"Bloodwing's death was impactful than Maya's because Bloodwing's death has the most iconic video game lines right before it, and also it was actually kind of sad. Maya's death was like "who cares" u'know. That thing was knocking the place down." Spitting straight facts
@moony8305
@moony8305 4 года назад
FAX
@SivaExperiment
@SivaExperiment 4 года назад
but the fact she died is messed up
@bitzthe8bit668
@bitzthe8bit668 4 года назад
She should've invested more in the New-U station, just sayin'.
@ap30112002
@ap30112002 4 года назад
@@SivaExperiment Ngl, I don't like any of the characters in Bl3 except Moxxi and Marcus. The rest of them are annoying to listen to
@christophermendez5076
@christophermendez5076 4 года назад
@@ap30112002 Balex was an enjoyable character imo
@Azure-Flame-Bee
@Azure-Flame-Bee 4 года назад
To be fair, you have to have a very Australian IQ to understand Borderlands: the Pre-Sequel
@Azure-Flame-Bee
@Azure-Flame-Bee 4 года назад
@Kingdom Come TPS was made by 2K Australia, and is filled with Australian humour
@MrHenry-ru2xf
@MrHenry-ru2xf 4 года назад
@Kingdom Come you make me want to try smoking and get lung cancer as quick as possible because that'd be a lot less tragic than you commenting on anything
@ghoulofmetal
@ghoulofmetal 4 года назад
I loved my Dahl assault rifle from borderlands 1 like 8 years ago, it was a Dahl desert stomper.
@TheDevilsAdvocate.
@TheDevilsAdvocate. 4 года назад
I actually like the pre-sequel. 🙃
@thatyoutuber5690
@thatyoutuber5690 4 года назад
Same I dont know why some people don't like it
@alexz6
@alexz6 4 года назад
Ikr?
@vintageyamahasquid
@vintageyamahasquid 4 года назад
I hated it at first but once I got used to the mechanics I actually ended up enjoying it. The story was crap but I don't play BL for the story.
@javalavadingdong
@javalavadingdong 4 года назад
@@thatyoutuber5690 I liked pre sequel too! Playing as one of Jack's minions (or Athena/Aurelia) was interesting and also seeing him decent from a normal Hyperion worker who genuinely just wanted to do good (even if he was a bit cocky) to a crazy murderer psycho was fun :D Only problem was how shallow it was.. like there's just the normal campaign then claptrap campaign. Plus I didn't really like any of the characters personality except Willhelm but his skills sucked ass compared to the rest of them.
@Guaire_Dickson
@Guaire_Dickson 4 года назад
@@thatyoutuber5690 I don't think it's bad, I think it just feels more empty then borderlands 2. And that's probably why it gets so much hate, it added more mechanics in a game that didn't feel big enough to need them. Borderlands 2 has multiple DLC's that add new missions, replayability ect, whereas the pre sequel's DLC's were mainly cancelled and thus the game just feels incomplete in comparison. It's not bad, but it's less polished then BL2, so people make it out to be the worst thing ever when its actually a decent game
@VinylAutomata
@VinylAutomata 4 года назад
That handsome jack corrosion meme was kinda dumb at first but now it's hilarious.
@Shazam1998
@Shazam1998 4 года назад
gotta be honest,kinda had difficulty watching this vid to the end with all the pre sequel hate going on. I think it's a very solid game.
@eliasainzworth2184
@eliasainzworth2184 4 года назад
Jeah don't know why he is even playin it if he doesn't like it. I really enjoyed playing pre sequel the only problem is that it has almost no content.
@tredwan291
@tredwan291 4 года назад
@@eliasainzworth2184 he is playing it because that is the point of the video? Dont be a fucking dumbass next time and thinky before you type
@Stojke1001
@Stojke1001 4 года назад
same
@lukasvokurka9224
@lukasvokurka9224 4 года назад
I also think Pre-sequel is good. It have almost everything from B2. Becouse it uses same engine. And it adds for me cool mechanics like ice element, grinder, graund slam, new enemies, jet pack and talking character which is for me propably best new thing in Borderlands pre-sequel. So I don't know why some people hate pre-sequel, but I like it.
@alyxisalyx
@alyxisalyx 4 года назад
virgin swagger can you please have a simple conversation without calling someone a dumbass or some shit. That goes for all RU-vid comment section.
@enbytoon
@enbytoon 4 года назад
Okay wasnt sure what this run was going to be based on the stream title but now I get it, I definitely wanna tune in
@elopeous3285
@elopeous3285 4 года назад
This is a nice gimmick. i like this
@astrilume
@astrilume 4 года назад
Samee bl t lo t0d is Sept
@nemesis-t3ddi
@nemesis-t3ddi 4 года назад
You should spawn as many digi-jacks as possible and have them say the different elements of the dialogue Jack says during the bloodwing fight all at the same time.
@TheEpicDiamondstar12
@TheEpicDiamondstar12 4 года назад
A tear fell from my left eye when he mentioned pimpernails, sand hawks and bee shields... but he forgot the double penetrating unkempt harold 😥
@ZyloPhone
@ZyloPhone 4 года назад
This looks actually really fun and it's a great idea, keep up the good work
@Archi-TEK-ture
@Archi-TEK-ture 4 года назад
Yeooo his patients with this video is God tier!!! 4 different games in ONE video idk if I could do it lmao.
@motokingjak1
@motokingjak1 4 года назад
4x the games = 4x the unused skill points. Well played 😤
@stormstrikerpro
@stormstrikerpro 4 года назад
I actually didn’t think the pre sequel was that bad.
@Codex_0613
@Codex_0613 4 года назад
it isn't i like how talktative your character is to the relative topic, it's certainly giving off a more engaging experience than a mute character
@glitzyx4x852
@glitzyx4x852 4 года назад
StormStriker your character in any other borderlands game is more talkative than anyone else
@Anthony-is1wn
@Anthony-is1wn 4 года назад
Right I think it’s a great game
@rebornkla9776
@rebornkla9776 4 года назад
I dont like it either its the second worst 1 ks the worst imo its just the fact that theyre are nt that many spots to farm for legendarys (grinder doesnt count cuz its not a farm) and only 2 legendarys 2 new chars which is pretty cool but ya story is decent but no op or anything u have to do the story over and over again if u wanna farm specific weapons
@abnerpinker7849
@abnerpinker7849 4 года назад
The lack of weapons and expansions it's what makes me sick
@jeremycocciolone9223
@jeremycocciolone9223 4 года назад
Next playthrough: Oboe shoes actually uses skill points and guardian rank.
@KuyaAyanGG
@KuyaAyanGG 4 года назад
Looking back now, Borderlands 2 hasn't lost its charm.
@natejoe9924
@natejoe9924 4 года назад
It is worth it to grind for level 50 terror gear if you remember in borderlands 2 your gear could be lower you can kill higher enemies which certain guns
@ryanrobinson2293
@ryanrobinson2293 4 года назад
Wow this is actually a really unique idea and will be interesting to watch
@evilfuzzybunny100
@evilfuzzybunny100 2 года назад
7:00 well gosh dang, oboe predicted Diablo immortal
@PvZPlaying
@PvZPlaying 4 года назад
Oboeshoes: * plays every Borderlands game * His computer ram: * chuckles * I'm in danger.
@Grasslehoff
@Grasslehoff 4 года назад
This is so creative, I love it
@brandon9437
@brandon9437 4 года назад
Give it up bandit I’ve got every cheese it at my disposal
@9LivesNoHate
@9LivesNoHate 4 года назад
The menthol light cheezit 😂😂😂😂
@Hexmonkey
@Hexmonkey 4 года назад
I love how when you say fire it sounds like jack. FIIIIRE
@creedbratton7517
@creedbratton7517 2 года назад
Petition for oboe to make this again when wonderlands comes out
@DangerTurtl3
@DangerTurtl3 4 года назад
This idea is ingenious
@Trupiato
@Trupiato 4 года назад
Ayo may I ask what the background song is? (And while I'm at it, what the 'talk to lilith' one is as well?) I have now officially lost it and shall make it the background music for my own life (and maybe play 'talk to lillith' while i walk places I don't want to go)
@BakaTaco
@BakaTaco 4 года назад
It SOUNDS like Portal music. I bet I'm wrong, but just MAYBE it is?
@whothehell2795
@whothehell2795 4 года назад
This is actually pretty inovative, u should do more levels tho
@LittleMsJester01
@LittleMsJester01 4 года назад
I remember when I first played pre sequel, I did think it was underwhelming compared to 2 but still enjoyed it. Now I’ve played 3, I appreciate pre sequel a lot more. I didn’t ever think the story was such a factor of my enjoyment until the story was so bad. I’ve played multiple playthroughs on every game with every character and up to uvhm...but I haven’t done tvhm with any of my characters on 3. And the other three characters on 3? Was the grindiest and most boring shit I’ve ever done in my life...
@ShadowLibrarian
@ShadowLibrarian 4 года назад
Most interesting run yet.
@Unkie_bunkie
@Unkie_bunkie 4 года назад
Next playthrough you should have two wheels. one for the different borderlands games. And one for the characters in that game. The goal is to reach max level with all characters in all the games and spinning the wheels everytime you level up. I might actually do this in my free time lol
@sebastian_the_fool3726
@sebastian_the_fool3726 4 года назад
Krieg would care about Maya's death. smh!
@overscoreSX
@overscoreSX 4 года назад
nEW SUB~ yOUR COMMENTARY WAS ACTUALLY ENTERTAINING. tHANKS DUDE.
@shout5064
@shout5064 4 года назад
Oh, now I remember... EXPLOSIVE!
@treysandbothe3748
@treysandbothe3748 4 года назад
As someone who plays Mayhem Mode for fun, I can definitely say I want Slag back in the game--Amara's elemental builds would be ridiculously powerful.
@saabaton169
@saabaton169 2 года назад
You ain't done mayhem til you nuke death with iron bear, or just the nuke launchers on iron bear in general
@banechrismon6051
@banechrismon6051 Год назад
That Diablo 4 comment.aged perfectly 😂😂
@nota_2526
@nota_2526 4 года назад
Why IS THIS IDEA SO BRILLIANT?!
@maxbohm8734
@maxbohm8734 4 года назад
9:00 Basically Homeless: " I played all the borderlands games at the same time"
@noah1535
@noah1535 4 года назад
On what you mentioned about farming terror anointments, that's the reason I'm not farming too much. Currently there is a bug with the extra pellets one to stack it so all I've been farming is those and some terror generating gear just for the fun if it. Making a blue Hyperion sniper do as much damage as a neutral modifier m3 Lyuda when the current modifier is -50% sniper damage is entertaining. Being Gearbox, who knows how long it will take to fix. A level 50 gun firing a ridiculous amount of extra pellets will still be relevant
@braxtonslife7779
@braxtonslife7779 4 года назад
Give it up Jotaro! I have all the knives at my disposal.
@tobywhitford2440
@tobywhitford2440 4 года назад
You done did good man you done did good👌🏼
@proepic
@proepic 3 года назад
I like how he doesn’t care about the pretty good starter sniper he got in bl2
@sloshyosmosis341
@sloshyosmosis341 4 года назад
These are hilarious! What’s your stream schedule my dude
@p.i.l7684
@p.i.l7684 4 года назад
Oboe "like who plays mayhem modes for fun" me who plays on mayhem 10 all the time "......"
@heyfae
@heyfae 4 года назад
genius i love the idea
@munchleks7688
@munchleks7688 4 года назад
happy you like BL2 more also. My friends proclaimed me an idiot but honestly, after seeing the performance of BL3 it happened way to often for me that i wanted to play BL2... While playing BL3
@natejoe9924
@natejoe9924 4 года назад
The terror gear is very powerful this expansion they're not increasing the level cap
@beansicle_uwu1452
@beansicle_uwu1452 4 года назад
Video idea: top 10 worst rocks in Borderlands: the pre sequel
@orphanmeat3297
@orphanmeat3297 4 года назад
9:32 a guy in my class didn't do his poetry project so he went up to the podium and said "Roses are red violets are blue i don't have a poem good day to you"and now everyone remembers him even though he failed miserably
@squidwater6700
@squidwater6700 4 года назад
3:13 There I am Gary, there I am!!
@h3vonlyh3ll9
@h3vonlyh3ll9 4 года назад
I like how the pre sequel is small lmao I hope it’s bl2 the entire time
@SemperPravus
@SemperPravus 4 года назад
This is hilarious
@Iwetbeds
@Iwetbeds 4 года назад
The amount of desperation when it comes to creating content that this video exhumes is actually impressive.
@walterrebmann883
@walterrebmann883 4 года назад
This is so epic
@SwidnikLublin
@SwidnikLublin 3 года назад
I love how you mentioned cod mobile after “microtransaction” “always online”
@Albert_EGGsker
@Albert_EGGsker Год назад
I want to believe that supposed “war” was not borderlands 3, but instead Borderlands 4 Return Of Cloudkill!
@littlebilliam9089
@littlebilliam9089 4 года назад
We all know he did just so he could do the blood wing fight again
@t-topgaming1414
@t-topgaming1414 4 года назад
Wow this is a cool idea
@hognose5150
@hognose5150 4 года назад
I subbed just because of the corrosion jokes
@chanceenglish7769
@chanceenglish7769 3 года назад
"Mayhem mode sucks", me over here playing Mayhem mode 2 with an all legendary loadout
@kixx9070
@kixx9070 4 года назад
“Who cares about mayas death” *cries in not caring*
@walkergb1083
@walkergb1083 2 года назад
I was about to be pre-sequel but I wasn’t able to because my PS3 broke down but now thanks to you I know that my favorite color and borderlands no it’s a second Playthru on borderlands two
@Vortex4119
@Vortex4119 4 года назад
2:26 Every Borderlands fan ever after the whole...BL3 happened
@gringomoderfoquer8287
@gringomoderfoquer8287 4 года назад
Why does the TPS has a lower chance? That's called Gamesocial-Inequality.
@galastromboli5603
@galastromboli5603 4 года назад
He hates BTPS
@d0ntbescurred244
@d0ntbescurred244 4 года назад
Christian Guerrero yeah he's such an idiot for having a different opinion than you, right?
@d0ntbescurred244
@d0ntbescurred244 4 года назад
Christian Guerrero Hulu so because someone else's opinion differs from yours it's dumb? Really dude.
@d0ntbescurred244
@d0ntbescurred244 4 года назад
Christian Guerrero also you didn't even quote what I said
@d0ntbescurred244
@d0ntbescurred244 4 года назад
Christian Guerrero I didn't even type that. But that's besides the point, I love how you immediately go to insulting me because you realize how dumb your arguement is, the only thing you have to back you up is calling me sensitive and saying his opinion is dumb
@igotsomecoolclips963
@igotsomecoolclips963 4 года назад
Rarity randomizer wheel where every time you level up you have to use a different rarity
@aniruddhadas1011
@aniruddhadas1011 4 года назад
Another video,HECK YEAH !!!!
@Onestoneyboi
@Onestoneyboi 4 года назад
Next run through Every level change a character in borderlands 3
@bonglord420
@bonglord420 4 года назад
Quadruple the Eden 6? You're a monster.
@RazorusR3X777
@RazorusR3X777 4 года назад
I hope it lands on the pre sequel everytime
@moony8305
@moony8305 4 года назад
2 main memes 1 CORROSION 2 69 NICE BTW
@absanun3405
@absanun3405 4 года назад
Let me guess Senza stole all the good runs
@elite_gaming_warrior
@elite_gaming_warrior 10 месяцев назад
coming back to this, what oboeshoetwos (if that is his real name) said about diablo IV is so true lol
@auzziegamerfan
@auzziegamerfan 4 года назад
I know very few people will, but like if you really enjoy the Pre-Sequel combat and guns. Also, dude, ask 200 people who Bloodwing was and 200 people who Maya was. I bet twice as many remember Maya. I recently restarted Borderlands 1 and had completely forgotten Bloodwing.
@mi6boy
@mi6boy 4 года назад
I actually like the pre sequal
@IndigoStorm27
@IndigoStorm27 4 года назад
If he played all 4 games at the same time, The Pre Sequel would just constantly be paused.
@tigerhasnoend648
@tigerhasnoend648 4 года назад
If oboe uses multiple computers he can do the run. He only needs his good pc for 3 and can use relatively cheap ones for the rest.
@nothingissacrosanct
@nothingissacrosanct 2 года назад
petition for an oboeshoes guns only bl3 playthrough
@ignis488
@ignis488 4 года назад
jokes on you i played presequel all the way till ultimate mode with claptrap
@reyzephlyn105
@reyzephlyn105 4 года назад
Playing Borderlands 3 then switching to any other Borderlands game it's such a refreshment in Fps
@skeem_
@skeem_ 4 года назад
Honestly I love the pre sequel
@skeem_
@skeem_ 4 года назад
@@fabyrogeralencar9529 I know right it's so great existing
@astrilume
@astrilume 4 года назад
Yeah me to I like The part were I had to stand In a room for 10 minutes For the stupid dialog to end So he can open a door
@skeem_
@skeem_ 4 года назад
@@astrilume Omg that's the best part
@Collato
@Collato 4 года назад
WTF... bouncing between all the borderlands makes me realize that each one excels at something the others don’t, even the pre-sequel. But not one “has ALL the elements at their disposal,” like, did they not think, “hmm, we did good at ‘blank’ and bad at ‘blank,’ we should put good ‘blank’ into the next game and not put bad ‘blank’ into next game. Like jeez man.
@peighnesshonourchign9164
@peighnesshonourchign9164 Год назад
Hindsight is 20/20
@olangryburger139
@olangryburger139 4 года назад
I fucking love the commentary
@xthinkfast
@xthinkfast 4 года назад
I can confirm, in all shame, that Tina does narrate the second playthrough.
@Xstar03
@Xstar03 4 года назад
What?
@mtndewfoo6145
@mtndewfoo6145 4 года назад
I kinda hope he just plays every game to 50
@miletilblight2181
@miletilblight2181 4 года назад
I was half hoping he'd role bl1 and then he'd get stuck with bl1 until level cap
@dkoolaidkid
@dkoolaidkid 4 года назад
GENIUS
@keepafacade9583
@keepafacade9583 4 года назад
6:40 gearbox in a nutshell
@moneersalem2258
@moneersalem2258 4 года назад
The menthol lite cheese it😂😂
@art3misx227
@art3misx227 4 года назад
Mw2 cliffhanger you gain a level when u complete it in a different way
@kv2674
@kv2674 4 года назад
well, that's a nice level
@leoo-s7287
@leoo-s7287 4 года назад
I have a dumb bug in borderlands 3 where when I try to complete certain talk to Lilith objectives. The quest won't trigger and I can't talk to Lilith. But at least I don't have the stupid live action parts.
@spqrjack2941
@spqrjack2941 4 года назад
I bet If you drop Borderlands 3, your PC can handle It Just fine. Try doing bl1, bl 2, pre-sequal and Tales of bl at the same time
@hostileraccoon9604
@hostileraccoon9604 4 года назад
"Maya's death was like who cares" Me: *triggered* Also put Maya back in the game Gearbox.
@docfoogus3064
@docfoogus3064 4 года назад
The only dead character who can come back is baha blast.
@MRCdeadlySniper
@MRCdeadlySniper 4 года назад
Facts maya is hot🤣
@DeadKaat
@DeadKaat 4 года назад
they really did her dirty, and its all avas fault too
@Mr.Scott86
@Mr.Scott86 4 года назад
@@DeadKaat we don't mention that annoying bitch here😂
@skloop4993
@skloop4993 4 года назад
Can u make the level higher because this series is amazing
@willisgregoire9659
@willisgregoire9659 2 года назад
Throwback to somehow playing borderlands 2 on my 2013 MacBook Air
@guatelinac4091
@guatelinac4091 4 года назад
Oboe should do this but he can o ly use a crossive wepon like a mix of two runs
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