Lately I've been capturing wardens and baptizing them in the nearest river. Just trying to save as many souls as possible. In the name of the father and son and holy smokes
ambulances being the best vehicles to transport weapons in the game is one of those extremely on-brand strats i’ve found in the game. (the brand being warcrimes)
I have a fond memory I would like to share: So me and some Wardens were fighting on a front, I went into a bombed out house that now worked as a basement. The Colonials fought my comrades back and I was left alone in the basement. I kept shooting out of the small holes and until I got surrounded and I yelled out that I would like to surrender. The Colonials agreed and told me to put my gun down and lay on the ground. After I had been thoroughly checked for weapons they started to yell at me about how horrible the Wardens were and how much they hate us. I yelled back similar things. More Collies showed up to bully their prisoner and discussed executing me on the spot. That was until I pulled out the pin of the grenade I was hiding and they immediately rushed out of the basement while I blew myself up. This was a long time ago, but I still think about it from time to time.
If they ever drop the hanged men as a 3rd faction just there for people to harass both sides then we know the game has truly went off the rails and into total madness
Thats the thing about these wars in foxhole. The wars keep getting older but the kids who shoot the Rifles. Submachine guns. Anti tank guns. RPGs. Bazookas. tank guns. artillery cannons. pistols. etc stay the same age.
If the Wardens saw it necessary to drown the Vale. Imagine what terrible things the Colonials must have done prior for the defenders to deem it a necessary action.
The story is told in shades of gray. I forget the exact reason why the Wardens flooded the Vale. But I believe it was due to the fact that the force was large enough that it would warrant such a thing being done. I think (I may be talking out of my ass) but it was thought that colonials taking the warden dam could've had the reverse done on them. But I can't remember. The lore masters watch this video and know a lot more about this incident then I do.
@@accountname9506 After researching, it after I made the comment, it was because the wardens knew that the colonials would've just used the dam as a crossing point, so that's why they did it.
Excuse me? 334 views? This is absurd! The work applied to this is amazing and should be appreciated. You are a great content creator, keep up the goof stuff.
I think the breaking of the dam to flood the Vales is at least partially inspired by the flooding of the Yellow River in WW2, done to delay the Japanese.
@@jaisummons2304 I don't actually know the exact amount of time it delayed them(because different people say different things, it's a somewhat controversal incident. the strategic value of the flooding has been debated ever since WW2 ended, really.), but it did kill a lot of people(how many is very hard to know because no one was exactly concerned with counting the dead at the time, but I believe the current estimate is 400-600 thousand) including Japanese soldiers, and created millions of refugees.
Are you the bad guy for desperately clinging onto life no matter what it costs? No, you are victim forced go do horrible things to keep yourself alive. None of these war crimes would have happened if the collies never invaded.
I saw one of those Hanged man structures (the one built into the mountain) a few days ago and wondered what it was, it gives you the option to repair it so yeah that seems interesting
the war in foxhole is actually very fucking brutal, like VERY FUCKING BRUTAL, its more brutal then the eastern front of ww2 and fought over much less territory, the entirity of foxholes map is 12x13 km, which is less then the size of a decently sized city and you have millions upon millions dying for that small of an area
You'd be suprised just how brutal the eastern front actually was. Over 2 million germans and soviets died in the city of stalingrad alone. That doesn't even include civilian deaths and the mass executions that both sides partook in. Siege of Lenningrad. Lasted two years and resulted in the death of over 2 million people, both soldiers and civilians. These are just 2 of countless instances throughout ww2 where millions died in just a city sized area. I didnt even mention all the appauling stuff that happened in the chinese capital of Nanjing. Do not underestimate the brutality of ww2, it is way more brutal than any of us could possibly imagine.
The child soldiers part is a stretch. It’s not uncommon to refer to young soldiers as kids. They’re young in age, war ages you. It took me from 20 to 30 really quick. Everything else could be the hanged men were friends since they were kids (hence them called ‘hanged MEN’) and there’s nothing to say your character wasn’t raised in a warring society and he brought his childhood weapon with him to war.
In addition to what @@sirboomsalot4902 mentioned, in The Tower (first story in Chronicle of Ashes), Hanne mentions that she was sent to boot camp at age 12, and while I suppose it is possible that Serov boot camp takes 6 years I don't think that that is likely. Also, this is purely subjective since it's never stated outright but IMO the way The Tower is written it's pretty obvious all the recruits are underage.
I think the dev stands correct, even by the definition you provided none of these would be examples of war crimes as there's no agreed upon conventions within the game's lore
No he doesn't We describe things that occured pre-gevena convention as war crimes all the time despite it not being known what those criteria would eventually be. Alongside this you can still apply the criteria we made in the realworld to events within the game to determine what actions would have been considered war crimes by our standards. It also makes no sense to say there are no agreed upon standards of war as we possibly just don't know what they are, even before the Geneva convention most human civilizations did have general agreed upon dos and don'ts in war as it simply makes sense that certain things would cause people to viscerally react, such as slaughter under trust (see the Glencoe Massacre for an example). They might not have been officially charged, but they were still generally understood at their time as, for lack of a better term, war crimes.
I love how the dev probably said that in order to stop a video like this from happening but it still got made and I love it honestly makes me wanna get the game more
You know what's really sad about all of this? You keep saying how brutal and evil this war is, but even this war pales in comparison to how brutal ww2 was. Flooding civilians to halt the enemy's advance? The Chinese nationalists did it. They flooded the yellow river to halt the japanese advance. The flood killed litteral millions of Chinese civilians. Child soldiers? Germany had the hitler youth which made up a large portion of the German army in the last months of the war. And russia's youngest soldier was 6 years old... let that sink in. Gruesome crucifixions? The Germans systematically rounded up and murdured over 6 million Jewish people, gypsies, disabled people, etc. And the russians rounded up anyone who was even thought to be against stalin in the gulags. And after the invasion of Poland, Russia committed the katyn massacre where over 20000 polish officers were systematically murdured and buried in the katyn forrest. Many people don't know just how awful this war actually was and it really saddens me that the tactics and atrocities in this game arnt even fictional.
Yes but in foxhole the war was going on for more than 600 years, and the concept of civilian on the warden side no longer exist and the colonials take away 12 year olds from their parents as recruits. So basicly ww2 eastern front level brutality EXCEPT FOR 600 FOCKIN YEARS
Its odd refering to history as "lore." At least. I think so. But it makes a lot more sense now that I'm seeing its a foxhole game lmao. But alas. I wasn't aware that foxhole had lore.
@@beeflord My theory is solely based on the fact that mining scrap and building is usually done by non-combatants and in the game its done by us, the players)
Good grief, I knew it was grim but not total war grim. I am surprised that none of the other nations tried to make something to protect civilians, even after all these years. I guess everyone was too desperate to try to bash out a treaty, or they did but everyone ignored it because everything was already so grim. I guess we're fighting like Klingons, there is nothing more "honourable" than victory, even if we achieve it through dishonourable tactics. But show me on the map of Caiova where Geneva or The Hague is and then tell me that the Geneva and Hague Conventions apply. But we haven't even got to chemical weapons yet. The players and devs sort of had our own Hague convention intervention, because there was a time when we had gas artillery and people hated getting wiped out by it, so the devs removed it. Not really lore, more game history, but it was a weapon so evil that everyone was glad it was removed.
@@havoc989 By the time I got Foxhole those days had long since gone, thankfully. But I've seen videos of the early wars with mobile war crimes batteries just unloading gas artillery shells, and its actually scary. Seeing the receiving end of entire squads getting gassed was scary. I know war isn't fair, but gas arty was just unsporting IMO.
Well, even irl the first thing you mentioned we Belgians did in ww1 we opened the locks in Nieuwpoort (Nieuport in French) and flooded the lands around the Yzer to hold the Germans
@@echommm3621 I know… I just didn’t know these lore parts. It’s not like the gameplay is similar to the dark history of the game, you don’t really see anyone sad that their character died on the front, people just respawn and go back to the fight.
I've heard of fox hole and just rubbed it off as another ww2 game. But now I know it takes place in its own world, and a intreasring one at that, I thinking I was too hasty, might look into again.
It takes place in an alternate world where 2 fictional superpowers started a world war 1 style war and NEVER STOPPED for like 600 years, and wrecked both side's infrastructure so much they are technologically stagnant.
No warden are doing what they have to do to win this war thr warden come from a harsh place and they need this territory too grow food so and besides the colils do war crimes too
@@puppetmaster1819 not even close as much as the warden's. Besides the colonials just want to liberate the people from the tyrannical warden empire who dosent give a shit about the people beyond there wall. Why do you think it was so easy to conquer everything south of it? The warden empire dosent need it's southern land as they are a trade empire surly they can let some people go in exchange for peace? Besides the warden empire just ended up killing all there remaining farmers not already liberated by the legion.
@@Demicleas dose it even say the colonial are trying to liberate I mean I look and it looks more like they can give a shit about the people no hate ok just saying that in lore it doesn't say why the colonials are attacking the wardens it might be that they just want the land and the resources or something else who knows
He brought up the Geneva convention because that's the set of treaties that outline rules for war, THE rules for war. So technically there really is no such thing as a war crime because there has never been a treaty to criminalize anything. "Stood together since they were children" I take that to mean that they were lifelong friends, especially because of the keyword "Were". "...These children were hopeless..." I assume he means that they were green, i.e. fresh to war and not literally children. "...the pistol you've had since you were strong enough to hold it." I think of it as either an embellishment, like when people that have been doing a profession for so long say it *Runs in their veins* , or that your character was raised around guns/ a military culture.
You do realize there were war crimes even back in the middle era. Like how peasents wernt allowed to kill knights or the king. Sure it's not what we would think of as a warcrime by today's standards but warcrimes did exist back then.
Wardens and Colonials on reddit: You are savages No you are the savages you attacked first! No you did! You are all baby eating savages! Wardens and Colonials in lore: -We are both unreasonable backwards barbarians aren't we? -Yeah... -We belong in hell for all this slaugther and constant unrelenting atrocities atrocities? -We are already there.
Matt's not really wrong because in Foxhole, there ARE NO accepted international rules of war. That's what the Geneva Convention was. It was a convention in Geneva to agree upon international rules of war and Foxhole never had that.
None of these are war crimes, because all foxholes soldiers lives has been war. There is nothing to look forward to until the battle ends in one side destroying the other. In lore generations of fighting is coming from somewhere, but this is a video game, these people dont know nothing but this.
I know people’ve been complaining that Colonial lore is undeveloped, which is a hint in itself, but do we have any evidence of Colonial warcrimes? I mean, there has to be something already there or coming up - the game’s whole narrative is that one faction is just as bad as the other.
In the cronicles of ashes colonial forces attempt to recruit 12-13 year olds to the army forcefully, and even attack their own civilians for trying to defend those children
