Frank Turek's GENIUS Answer When PRESSED on Subjective Morality

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Frank Turek's GENIUS Answer When PRESSED on Subjective Morality
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@bengelfranco Год назад

Define Evil and where you get that definition from? Who determines evil? @@anonymouswon7000

@Ceelows Год назад

Frank Turek brought me to Jesus. He helped me come to Jesus through logic and simple questions. I'd love to hug him someday, God Bless him.

@kengy1991 Год назад

Glad to have you in the family of God!

@wax99 11 месяцев назад

Oh gosh, then you, my friend, might need better epistemology. Frank is not even in the top 100 apologists. If you were convinced by Frank, you should read the bible a lot more.

@magicjim1 10 месяцев назад

@@wax99 Interesting. Can you please provide a list of 100 better apologists? Thanks in advance.

@xannay 10 месяцев назад

@@wax99I am interested too. Give us at least 10 apologists who are willing to do such debates and answer all those questions. I do not say Frank Turek is the best of the best, I only discovered him recently, but I am amazed by his patience, wisdom and education.

@wax99 10 месяцев назад

@@xannay I mean, not to insult anyone's intelligence, but simply googling "top 100 apologists" will answer your question.

@nobleamadi6586 Год назад

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@Sir-Chancelot Год назад

More Frank please. Love him

@rutheboersma Год назад

Killing is not always considered murder. Don't compare apples to oranges in morality!

@DS-ld8ns Год назад

Murder is the unjust killing of someone. Killing someone in self defense isn't murder since it can be justified, Killing someone for their crimes isn't murder because it can be justified based on the crimes they commited. Murder is unjust killings.

@vietvooj Год назад

@@DS-ld8ns The Nazis justified the killing of people who where hiding jews, because that was a crime. In your logic it was not murder and morally ok.

@DS-ld8ns Год назад

Explain my logic how was killing Jews just? How would killing people hiding Jews just? So you think my logic supports the killing of people because they hid other people from being killed. You considered that Just? No I think you are justified in killing someone when they rape, or kill someone. Those are the crimes to me that permit taking away their life. @@vietvooj

@MagusKali Год назад

@@vietvooj your point hinges on what is considered "just". You would have to prove why killing the Jewish people is just.

@ryankelly9032 Год назад

@@vietvooj but the nazis were wrong, because the the law itself was unjust. You can’t condemn someone for something they have no say in. You can’t choose your heritage, but you can choose not to break Gods law. This is why it’s important to have an unchanging moral standard and for our human laws to be based on that standard.

@kengy1991 Год назад

Love how Frank always breaks things down.

@jacquezghardy Год назад

Killing isn’t a sin, murder is. That being said, the question is invalid from the start. However, there is an example of a man named Silas who harbored Christian’s and hid them in his home when it was illegal to do so.

@DS-ld8ns Год назад

Well is it a moral law? We shouldn't have any obligation to follow unmoral laws. If there was a law that state you must slap the first Black you see upon meeting them Or you will be jailed. Should I follow that law?

@ithurtsbecauseitstrue 9 месяцев назад

Ten Commandments doesn’t say lie either. It said do not bear false witness against someone. When you lie to harbor Jews, you are not bearing false witness against them.

@37marks Год назад

Sometimes you don’t have a ready answer in a tuff situation. Just ask God. If you’re led by and listen to the Spirit of God, you may receive an answer on what you should do, even before you ask. If you aren’t able to hear God or you don’t know how to be led by Holy Spirit, start by reading Gods Word every day with an open attitude and sincerely ask God to transform you. I ask for God to help whoever reads this and I destroy every plan the enemy has for your life in Jesus name.

@allyson4801 Год назад

Love this commentary because I tend to be 'robotic' according to Ray Roc. I will look up Turek to hear more on these issues. Thanks Ruslan for educating me on this. By the way where is Zac?

@bosshogg8447 Год назад

But killing isn't a sin....Murder is.

@refinersforge1781 Год назад

Yes, yes, yes and yes! It is so painful that these guys and Frank did not ketch or acknowledge that. The guys question was faulty from the beginning.

@kurticebanks8087 Год назад

@@refinersforge1781but they did

@refinersforge1781 Год назад

@@kurticebanks8087 they addressed it by saying we have "evolved" in how we translate the Bible to help people understand it better.

@wolfbloodalite Год назад

Killing isn't . . . . . . **breaks something** *You missed. The whole DAMN POINT.* "The Romans killed Jesus, they didn't *murder* Him." And then I know someone will say, "Jesus was innocent, so it was murder." The people doing the killing at the time thought was right, because they thought Jesus was a blasphemer. So, subjectively, they did what they thought was justified. Killed, Murdered, do you see the blurry line you walk when you think like that? Human justification is twisted, upside-down, and backwards. EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE is tainted by sin, fallen short of perfection, and Satan will be the first to try to make you think otherwise. Didn't you here the part where these guys were talking about robots and it being easy? Thinking that someone deserves to die because they did this thing, that thing and therefore killing them is justified, is easy. So simple. Justified doesn't always mean *right.* Satan has a way of making people put their own authority on the throne of their heart, rather than God's authority. As Jackie Hill Perry once said, "All sinners love sin; if you don't, I dunno what kinda sin you doin'." It's a selfish, self-righteous kinda of love that makes you ignore and sense of shame that would help you turn it around, alert you to something wrong. I'm sorry, I'm rather mad right now, so I'm not entirely thinking clearly or articulating my thoughts well. I just hate double-standards and when people water down the gospel.

@bosshogg8447 Год назад

@@wolfbloodalite You defeated your own argument right at the start of your post. Your anger is a sign of thinking emotionally, not logically, about this. Just because the Romans THOUGHT they were right, doesn't excuse them from the truth, which is that they weren't. The fact is Jesus was innocent, therefore they MURDERED him. Murder is wrong always. A sin always. Killing, however, is sometimes justified, There is a massive difference, and as I said, just because you THOUGHT or FELT one way doesn't make that the truth. Now I hope you might pray on this, instead of letting anger seize hold of you again. God bless.

@redgoesface1671 Год назад

Someone needs to explain that "killing" and "murder" are different things. Even in this case, lying would still be wrong. It remains a sin. But it is exempt because of a higher moral obligation. If it is sinful, it always is. Anything else is conviction.

@rieen-c7973 Год назад

How is killing and murder different?

@redgoesface1671 Год назад

@@rieen-c7973 primarily because one (murder) is intentional and malicious in intent. Killing can be very moral and the scriptures point this out. When justly punishing criminals or in self-defense. There are a variety of scenarios wherein killing can be justified but not murder.

@1877theflip Год назад

I have always had difficulty with these kinds of moral questions. I have never heard someone articulate a question like this. Mind-blowing stuff, truly. I was always one to be aligned with Kant’s way of thinking. I literally was unable to conceive of things being differently. Identifying what the “higher moral imperative” is still introduces a level of subjectivity to me. But it’s pretty strong nonetheless.

@PatrickDani Год назад

Everything is subjective. It depends on your emotional condition wether doing something is sinful for you or not. Your emotional condition is also the only thing that separates you from God.

@rockstarburne Год назад

@@PatrickDani there is no subjective here. its two truths. Its wrong to lie, and innocent life should be protected. but we live in a fallen world and in order to protect the innocent life we must withhold the truth. The same topic happens with divorce. doesnt mean its subjective on whether a divorce is justified or not. there is no such thing as "sinful or you or not" the only thing the bible says is that if you think something is sinful, even if biblically it isnt. then you should refrain from committing such act

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@rockstarburne There is no such thing as SIN only moral and immoral actions. Transgressions against the perceived whims of anyone's subjective invisible guardian are irrelevant in any discussion of morality.

@jndvs95 Год назад

@@trumpbellend6717I can tell you've ran into too many Bible thumpers who screamed "you have sin and you are going to hell!" Or you are just too lazy to come up with your own real reasons, but sin is simply turning away from God's intended purpose. God has a high standard to appear in his presence. It is a requirement for our own safety and at the same time, God will not force us to be in his presence if we so choose not to be. God warned us that there is a life after death, and if you want to spend that afterlife with him in paradise, you need your acts of separation from God covered. If they are not covered, then God will not bring you with him because that was your choice. We all sin, that is fact. It doesn't matter how big or small, human nature is to deviate from God's intended purpose. It is a curse. The only difference between Christians and non Christians such as yourself is that Jesus already covered our sins and they are forgotten. You aren't excluded from that unless you choose that you would rather not spend eternity in paradise

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@jndvs95 // "God has a high standard to be in his presence" // Lol no dear that "satandard" is NOT about one's "actions" during life ( works ) but rather one's "BELIEF" or lack of in supernatural claims is the determining factor between eternal paradise or eternal torture according to Christian soteriology. *John 5 24* _"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and _*_"BELIEVES"_*_ in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and _*_SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT,_*_ but has passed from death into life"_ But BELIEF is NOT *"CHOICE"* or a mere act of volition. Sure someone can pretend to believe anything but the things one actually believe are not something you choose they are an involuntary response to one's level of information and understanding of their environment. You are either convinced or you are unconvinced and its EVIDENCE that convinces. I could not just make myself believe in pixies no matter how much I closed my eyes and stamped my feet. Anymore than you could right now "choose" to be convinced that God is not real or that the laws of gravity don't apply to you if you step off that cliff. Tell me could you genuinely "choose" to believe the internet does not exist and we are not having this discourse now ?? I'm talking about being CONVINCED of it bud not just pretending!! Give me an honest answer , could you right now "Choose" to believe in Thor or Zeus ??? 🤔 for exactly the same reason I can't choose to believe in Yahweh. Now if I recieved some irrefutable knowledge or evidence then I would have no "choice" but to believe, I would have to deny my own reasoning and senses. That what changes beliefs, not "choice" If you came home and found your spouse in bed with the neighbour, could you just "CHOOSE" to believe in her fidelity and go back downstairs to make her a nice cup of tea ?? 🤣😅🤣

@julierichey5336 Год назад

Job 28:28 NIV And he said to the human race, “The fear of the Lord-that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding.”

@jonahstitt4855 Год назад

"The natural state of humans defaults to one extreme. Hyper religious or rebellion." I am a deeply rebellious person. I rebelled against the Lord most my life. It led to darkness. Now I rebel against my fallen nature. I accept and embrace Jesus as the way, truth, and the life. Now I have what I have never had before. Peace. Make the decision today to lay all our burdens, all your worries, all your selfish desires down at His feet. If you do that Jesus will lift you up and bring you peace.

@only1799 Год назад

Murder is a sin (immoral killing, killing with evil intentions malicious intent etc), not killing, so if u kill to protect your family or self defense it is not a sin I’m pretty sure

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

There is no such thing as SIN only moral and immoral actions. Transgressions against the perceived whims of anyone's subjective invisible guardian are irrelevant in any discussion of morality. Morality is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are appropriate from those inappropriate. The recognition and evaluation of the consequences our choices have with regards to ourselves and others. My NOT believing in a mythological god in no way impedes the ability of forming such moral assessments. We are self aware conscious pain and emotion feeling individuals capable of love or hate, incredible acts of altruism or depravity. It's how we navigate through life and these potential extremes that define us, not our belief ( or lack of ) in your specific subjective invisible friend.

@DS-ld8ns Год назад

Sin, just means erroneous way, or To miss the mark, So Yes Sin exist. Rightful actions and wrong actions. A person who has sinned, is just stating they have made mistakes or Taken erroneous actions that caused failure in their lives.@@trumpbellend6717

@flavorgod Год назад

@@trumpbellend6717 wrong

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@flavorgod Lol care to elaborate with some specifics dear, or is this the limit of your profound input ? 🤭😂😂

@ithurtsbecauseitstrue 9 месяцев назад

@@trumpbellend6717Not everything is going to boil down to “God not real doh.” It’s childish behavior to constant go back to “mythology” or “fairy tales.” Sin is a religious term and it is applicable. We can ALSO talk about morals. But outside of the objective, it becomes not only subjective - but simple preference, popularity, force, or rationalization for wants. What impedes the ability to forming moral assessments is simply an inability to do so in general. Once you have a subjective or a relative standard, you have no standard. The moral can always been ignored for a theory of “greater good” - and one preferred outcome of good can be rationalized as “moral” by those “forming a moral assessment” on their own abilities. Your mythological invisible ability to properly assess moral assessments is impossible to believe in. And “God’s not real doh” is not an argument.

@ServantofGod17 Год назад

Really good debate,hard question, God is good 🙏✝️🙏

@tenacitytone Год назад

I’m really enjoying your content. It’s great having a Christian engage with current events and pop culture through a Christian lens. God bless brother

@Guhjy Год назад

I believe bible says lying is a sin no matter the situation. I also believe God will always provide a way out of a difficult situations such as mentioned in a video.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

Lol you do realise that these situations actually occurred don't you ? and NO your "god" did NOT "provide a way out" dear

@VPortho 11 месяцев назад

"Jews died because I handed them over to the Nazis... Oh well, at least I didn't lie!" 😂 There's no way out of that particular scenario without lying.

@shj723 Год назад

The hyper-relious vs hyper-rebellious thing was from Carl Jung. Martin Luther expressed a similar concept, "simul justus et peccator," which means "simultaneously justified and sinner."

@skippy675 Год назад

At the end of the day, as Christians, it matters not how much we have sinned since we won't be held accountable for any of it. God gave us a loophole that requires only our admission of guilt and a willingness to allow an innocent man to be tortured and executed in our place.

@faithodhiambo1011 5 месяцев назад

It’s called unconditional love ❤️

@skippy675 5 месяцев назад

@faithodhiambo1011 call it scapegoating. Call it love. Call it whatever you like. So long as I get a free ride to paradise forever! Just don't Call me late for dinner Jesus! I am bringing an eternity worth of appetite to feast at the heavenly banquets.

@only1799 Год назад

Yeah this is pretty common sense, reminds me when Jesus confronted the Pharisees that were pressed out of their minds when Jesus cured the guy and casted out a demon and they were so fricken mad, and Jesus was like you can do good on the sabbath and ask if your sheep or whatever animal he said fell into a pit your waiting till sabbath is over just to help it out? and he talked about how David while running from saw ate the bread in the church because he needed it, really it’s just using common sense to figure out these situations, Mike winger touched on this topic before saying something along the lines of with all these rules there were always exceptions for certain situations and Jews during that time knew this etc

@heythere6983 Год назад

This is a tricky concept bc they are groups that will justify lying to others not of their group because they believe they have a higher purpose, so lying to someone outside of your group is a non issue to them since they are considered less than

@skyorrichegg Год назад

Those extremes of our fallen nature you guys are talking about are expressed in the story of the prodigal son with the younger and older brother. After my wife and I had our kids I can definitely, easily see how they fall into those extremes of prodigal-ness and pharisaical-ness and how easily we all each fall into those two extremes.

@anthonymitchell9793 Год назад

The words "Frank Turek" and "genius" should never be spoken together.

@enki354 Год назад

Gee why not lol.

@anthonymitchell9793 Год назад

@@enki354 The only genius thing about Turek is how he has managed to become rich by pedaling misrepresentations of science, logical fallacies, and word salad to delusional people.

@macumus Год назад

I would not use fundamentalist as a bad word, it literally means you believe in the fundamentals of the faith, such as inerrancy.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

It's not religious "FUNDAMENTALISTS" that's the problem dear, it's the "FUNDAMENTALS" of religion

@christopherrentz907 Год назад

I'm not sure im following the false witness part that well because if you witness to something and give a testimony that controdicts what you witnessed to that is a lie, so im not sure if I'm missunderstanding something or if I just need to study if it was a poor translation of that commandment. Loved the spotlight on that question though. God bless y'all!

@cod-_-rangers_ap682 Год назад

I think there’s a difference between giving a testimony in a court of law and being asked by murderers on what you saw. In the first instance, you could argue there’s no conflict between obligation to protect life and be honest, but in the latter, there is. Hope that makes sense!

@raulofmustachio3d Год назад

Great explanations guys! Articulated some principles I really wanted to be able to explain

@faithodhiambo1011 5 месяцев назад

It’s like driving a vehicle carrying let’s say 20 people and someone stands infront of you. If you hit him/ her and not swerve you will save 20 lives, if you swerve you risk loosing more lives, which option is more justifiable?

@devanteboll4934 Год назад

Love Frank Turek 🕊❤️‍🔥

@avrgrando Год назад

He should have just left the question at “are there any other sins…” He shouldn’t have put forth the lying hypothetical. It would have been a little more interesting.

@rodrigogonzalez-bishop3810 Год назад

That Roman’s 12 v 13 reference was fire🔥🔥🔥

@jshadnot Год назад

Well if it’s ok to lie in certain situations, wouldn’t that make the Christian outlook on morality subjective?

@rieen-c7973 Год назад

It would be subjective and I don’t think the bible would support that. Sin remains sin, whether we have good intentions for it or not. That is why the bible says (Isa 64v6) …our righteousness is like filthy rags…

@vincer7824 Год назад

It’s always easier to simply execute precepts than to apply principles.

@landonpontius2478 9 месяцев назад

"taking GOD out of morality" does not change moral truth in any way. It does not make things meaningless, or nihilistic, and it can be rationally accounted for in a way that theist moral theories cannot.

@GuessWhoAsks Год назад

Anyone who recognizes morality based on the teachings of the Bible needs to justify the teachings on "slavery" in the book, as it teaches its followers a way to properly practice chattel slavery in a way that keeps them in line with the will of God without ever teaching them that foreign chattel slavery is forbidden...or even unwanted...The question becomes...Do YOU personally think it is morally acceptable to be allowed to purchase another human and consider them property that can be passed on to your children as an inheritance?

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

_"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them_ *But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child* _ox and sheep, camel and donkey"_ (1 Samuel 15 : 3 ) _"Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us_ *He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks* (Psalms 137 : 8 ) _"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God_ *They will fall by the sword their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open* (Hosea 13 : 16 )

@kellgolden9263 Год назад

I see many people use this frame of thinking to justify lying to their spouses to prevent their feelings from being hurt.

@timothyn4699 Год назад

Peter, when told by the leaders to stop proclaiming Jesus, said you judge, whether it is right to obey you/man versus obeying God good examples to bring in the Egyptian midwives and rahab

@JerrellConner Год назад

BUT … the premise of the question is WRONG. It’s not KILLING that is prohibited in the 10 commandments, it’s MURDER. That is the original word in Hebrew, not killing. Murder in that context is always wrong.

@JerrellConner Год назад

Right?

@underconstruction1093 Год назад

this question was originally asked to R.C Sproul I believe and the example of the nazi knocking at the door was used

@refinersforge1781 Год назад

So if we can justify lying based on the circumstance, does that go for any sin? When is homosexuality ok? Or drunkenness? Or adultery? Or like Denis Pragure argues maybe it is good sometimes for a man to watch porn. When we start saying something is not a sin based on the circumstances when God clearly calls it a sin that is a slippery sloap. And if we can apply that to lying why can we not apply it to any other sin? But maybe im just being a hiper self righteous person 😁.

@dansmith9724 Год назад

What comes to my mind is that we live in a fallen world surrounded by evil. So, lying to protect someone is doing so with good intentions. To commit a homosexual act intentionally, I can't think of a reason why it would be done to protect someone or done with good intentions, unless someone is held down and raped but then it is forced onto them and they don't have a choice and the sin isn't on them but on the rapest. Instinctively I think most of us know what is right and what is wrong.

@refinersforge1781 Год назад

@@dansmith9724 so it is ok to sin as long as we do it with good intentions? And as far as the homosexuality argument, isn't that how many "Christians" justify it? The greater moral hierarchy is love. So if two men or two women "love" each other then wouldn't it be more wrong to keep them apart, this justifying homosexuality. As long as they are doing it for the right reasons, and are in a monogamous loving committed relationship? Or what about Denis Prager's argument about pornography? Well as long as it keeps men from committing the act of adultery then it is good. If watching porn is done with good intentions so does that make it right? Using the argument that most of us know what is right and wrong as a justification for determining if something is right and wrong is a very dangerous position. That is how our society has gotten to where it is, doing what is right in our own eyes and not based on the moral objective standard of Scripture. Jeremiah 17:9 tells us "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately sick, who can understand it." If we rely on what we "know" to be right and wrong without the objective standard of Scripture then it is very easy to decide ourselves and justify sin.

@dansmith9724 Год назад

@refinersforge1781 the eg that was given was would it be a sin to lie if in 1942 the nazi's come knocking on your door asking if you had any Jews in the house and you said no, even though you had them hidden in the house and your lie would save them from a probable death. Is it a sin to lie to a nazi in that situation. Most would agree, no. As for your porn question. The whole porn industry is full of manipulation, drug use etc as well as encouraging adultery and fornication and probably illegal immigrants forced into the sex industry. So it's a big cesspool of sin. Watching porn encourages the industry. So a big difference in lying to a nazi to save someone's life verses encourage the porn industry and all its perversion.

@dansmith9724 Год назад

@refinersforge1781 I will clarify that we know what's right and wrong as God has written it on our hearts what is truly right. If we go by what we think is right for us then it's self serving and yes I agree, it can be dangerous.

@biblesonabudget213 Год назад

Just to throw my two cents in, since this is a public comment. Nowadays, there is rarely a reason for lying to be consider a better option than telling the truth. Lying to spare someone's feelings (while perhaps done with good intentions) would be wrong. Thank God we all here probably have never been in a situation where we had to lie to spare someone's life. I find myself closer to your view of morality, refinersforge1781. However, you made some bad arguments concerning whether or not we can sin if we have good intentions. With homosexuality, you may have "good" intentions, but it is still a sin. Same with watching porn (which in my view, can never be viewed even with supposed "good" intentions). I don't care what Denis Prager says, we have a higher authority than him and that is Christ. He can justify it and nuance it all he wants, but the fact of the matter is porn = adultery. So there is no justifiable reason to watch porn, ever or engage in a homosexual act. Also it doesn't matter how those supposed "Christians" may justify their sin. They are heretics as far as being a true follower of Christ is concerned. When it comes to example of the lying to save Jews from the Nazis (if I was ever in that position), I honestly, as I am now, would be hesitant to lie. Just being truthful here. Not sure how you would react or go about it, refinersforge1781. Feel free to answer if you would like. Have a blessed day!

@rogerhuggettjr.7675 Год назад

As a kid I wondered why Rahab lying about the two spies was okay and shouldn't God always work things so the ends don't justify the means. I understand why she did what she did, but not why she had to sin to do the right thing. It seems that any sin that's justified leaves the door open to situational ethics and liberal theology.

@John_Hoover Год назад

Jump to the FIVE MINUTE MARK to see Frank’s answer.

@docwill184 Год назад

It's not, "Thou shalt not kill." it's, "Thou shalt not commit murder." Big difference. In O.T., God gave enemies by the 10's of thousands over to be killed by his Chosen. Selective, capricious violence against arbitrary enemies IS the name of O.T. conflicts...

@jayku9524 Год назад

First! No, God is first!

@beastman245 Год назад

Is it okay to lie on my taxes to get more money to take care of my family?

@kaiyamwilliams5641 Год назад

Amen

@ricardo_pesquisando Год назад

You should do a more deep dive in this subject

@Thefreshlyanointed Год назад

Jesus gave an example of this concerning the sabbath, the sheep in the pit and pulling it out on the sabbath.

@JerkStoreCalled Год назад

What a great video 🙏🏻 Ray made some really good points. Insightful stuff. God bless.

@kurticebanks8087 Год назад

Protection of life fulfills the two greatest commandments

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

The first ammendment contradicts the first commandment. 😜

@rockstarburne Год назад

@@trumpbellend6717 relevance? i prefer the interpretation that the right to free speech, means the right to speak the truth. aka the word of God

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@rockstarburne lol I hate to break this to you cupcake but your "preference" is no more valid or relevant than anyone else's ( that's the point of the 1st amendment ) As for "TRUTH" that is demonstrated dear not asserted it's that which best conforms with the FACTS and EVIDENCE and has nothing whatsoever to do with "faith" Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS 😜

@kurticebanks8087 Год назад

@@trumpbellend6717 how?

@Lordpraisethe Год назад

Yeah i actually rememver a verse where God told someone to lie but i remember being so confused about that. I get it now

@bibleburner8426 Год назад

God told the very first lie when he told Adam that he would die the day he ate the fruit.

@JSRINTX Год назад

Rahab is the answer to this question.

@CR-yd4qe 11 месяцев назад

Rehab can help to🐹

@CufflinksAndChuckles Год назад

Here’s a good passage for “graded ethics.” In Matthew 12, Jesus let His disciples eat grains from the field. Pharisees tried to book Him on this, accusing Him of violating the Sabbath because according to the Pharisaic Law (which was a hedge around the Torah), this classified as “working.” But Jesus pointed them to the time where King David was on the run in 1 Samuel 21 and broke into the Tabernacle and fed his men the bread of presence/showbread, thanks to the help of Ahimelech the high priest at the time. Jesus showed that while there are laws we must follow, they could be broken to safeguard one of higher importance. The one that Jesus was alluding to was the principle that human life is sacred, and that we must do our best to preserve it. For example, if I was a grocer and witnessed a man steal a loaf of bread, I would report him to the authorities. But if he pleaded, saying that it was for his starving family and showed me pictures of them, then it would be sinful of me not to purchase them that loaf of bread and an affordable dinner. Human life is import, y’all.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

_"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them_ *But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child* _ox and sheep, camel and donkey"_ (1 Samuel 15 : 3 )

@refinersforge1781 Год назад

This is so painful to listen to. The guys question was faulty to begin with and it's painful to see that neither Frank nor you all caught it. The question was implying that killing another human being is itself classified as a sin but is justified in certain circumstances. The Bible never says that. Murder is a sin, always, we can never justify murder because of circumstances or appealing to a moral higher archy. Justifiable homicide is not a sin because it is in line with God's character because you are acting righteously in the protection of human innocent human life, or the government exacting justice by imposing the death penalty for crimes laid out by God's law. And we have not "evolved" in our biblical translation to help people understand better! This is such a dangerous way of putting it. Later English versions of the Bible have more accurately translated, and corrected a place where it had been translated not the best, better translating it as though shall not murder. This is not an "evolution" this is a correction. And the accounts in the Bible where people lie and God uses it for good the Bible does not actually condone the lie. It is just recording what happened. The Bible records all kinds of things that are not in line with God's character. That does not mean we are to do those things. It is simply describing what happened. We have to ask ourselves is this text descriptive or prescriptive? And again, we do not evolve in our translation of the Bible to help people understand better, Bible translators should seek to be as accurate as they can. "Evolving" is how we get to the point where we are in compromising on so many issues.

@markh1011 Год назад

"it's very difficult to describe morality in a coherent worldview around morality and right and wrong without god" - Well in simple terms morality and right and wrong are based on what humans overwhelmingly agree on what they want. Oh sure there is a lot of complexity under that. To be fair Ruslan doesn't say you can't do it. Many theists want the answer to be 'god said so' or something similar and anything more complex than that, they just reject it. The simpler answer isn't always correct. When we didn't know what caused disease or bad weather, god was invoked. The real answer is actually more complicated. That doesn't mean it's wrong.

@davidhermes3812 Год назад

Wrong, lying is always a sin. You may withhold the truth but lying is an absolute sin

@jjj0026 Год назад

That’s why things are not always BLACK and WHITE like a lot of Christians paint it should be.

@tuchesuavae Год назад

His first statement is wrong off top because killing is not a sin. murder is a sin. Killing and murder are not the same

@CR-yd4qe 11 месяцев назад

Is judicial killing murder?🐹

@Rey-yb6hb Год назад

Amen👍

@laeioun Год назад

Killing is not a sin. The translation is wrong. Murder is a sin.

@tylere.8436 Год назад

KJV authors probably didn't have that distinction then or wasn't widely understood.

@mynonameyt 11 месяцев назад

I’ll listen to this later, I hope those that are interested in educating themselves will check out the video “ is Genesis history”. Frank is very much a believer in the “Big Bang”. I am not, and the video on Genesis might help. Science is always in step with Gods word until scientists who don’t believe in God bring their prejudices into science. Think about this; science never says anything, scientists do.

@trumpbellend6717 11 месяцев назад

Knowledge of FACTS, also called "propositional knowledge", is defined as true belief that is distinct from opinion or guesswork by virtue of justification. A "FACT" is a point of data that is objectively verifiable ( demonstrable ) Absent "Facts" one has only the opinion or guesswork and no justification to claim such knowledge. Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS 😜

@bibleburner8426 Год назад

In order to say that sin exists, you would have to prove that the biblical god exists. Have fun with that.

@dagwould Год назад

The issue of having a moral basis for behavior (or attitudes) is not merely one of 'subjective' v 'objective', but of having a grounding for a meta-ethical framework. So, God is not 'necessary' for morality in a social sense: this is largely done by the law ( which is almost all about morality), and society exerting its persuasive power. Of course, that can go off the rails as we've seen many times in history. The point is that in a materialist (or pantheist) framework there is no, nor can there be a meta-ethical framework that has an 'absolute' ground. It is only in a Judeo-Christian conception that we can have this as all is known to be from the hand of the self-existent and eternal Creator who is personal (that is, a person, with self-consciousness, will and moral insight). The Bible also grounds relations of persons in the Trinity (not a word in the Bible, of course, but the theological summation of the biblical data) where relations are purely loving.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

Let me give you a scenario to demonstrate that moral "justification" and moral "good" do NOT depend on any "God" 👍 let's say the there is indeed a "creator god", ( NOT THE BIBLICAL GOD IN THIS SENARIO ) and let's say we all become aware of this one true "creator God" and understand implicitly and precisely how he wants us to live our lives and the rules that govern this but .................. We also learn that following said rules would infact lead to humanity suffering an eternity of torture and suffering. 😱😱 Would it still be a "GOOD" thing to follow said rules ??? Would we be "justified" in following them ?? 🤔 *I would emphatically say NO to both questions* Indeed the total opposite would be the case following the rules would be a "BAD" thing and we would be entirely justified in NOT following them. This is because the words "Good" and "justified" in actuality refer to our desires with regard to "WELLBEING" and the actualization of a situation that conforms with said desires, regarding wellbeing and the values it incorporates. Now let's change our "God" to the Christian one, now we recognise that *EVEN IF* he exists and the things he tells us ( his laws ) would lead to an eternal paradise, it would only be "GOOD" to follow said laws because of their conforming with our perception of "WELLBEING" and we would only be "justified" in following said God if we determined this to be the case, so.......... We would be entirely "justified" in following a moral system based solely on wellbeing *UNTIL* a demonstration that a creator "God" EXISTS, we know specifically WHICH ONE out of the many thousands proposed is the "correct" one, that we have the "correct" interpretation of his wishes and laws ( 43,000 conflicting denominations just in Christianity ) and lastly that those wishes and laws conform to our perception of "Good" to "justify" this being mankind's moral reference standard. Now call me fussy but I don't think its "Good" to kill children for making fun of baldness ( as the biblical God did ) Nor to own people as "PROPERTY" for forced labour. For the life of me I can't see how the stoning to death of people who gather sticks on a sabath could ever be said to be "Good" 🤔 I could go on and on and on .....

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

// "It is only a Judeo Christian blah blah blah" // Is your OPINION regarding this a "SUBJECTIVE" one or a "OBJECTIVE" one ??

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

Rather ironically for your argument, Hitler was a self identified CHRISTIAN who repeatedly said that he was "doing the lords work" Now regardless of whether this was really the case or if he was just saying it to facilitate the weaponization of the 93% of the German population that were CHRISTIANS it certainly worked. Even though both the Jewish and the Christians hold the OT in common and it is only the belief in in regards to Jesus being the messiah that differentiates them. This difference in theology regarding the rejection and killing of jesus was used by CHRISTIAN Germans as justification for the slaughtering of 6 million. Did their subjective opinion justify the holocaust and somehow make it moral ??? I think not ... Why was his antisemitism and bigotry so readily accepted by the German Christians who adored him? The only thing that separated those being slaughtered from those doing the slaughtering was one groups ancestors rejected jesus as the Messiah. I will let you guess which group was which. 😜

@veekee75 Год назад

In the ten commandment there is one that forbid bearing false witnesses. But when Jesus was asked what's the greatest commandment, His answer in Mark 12:30-31 told us that loving God is the first and loving our neighours is the second. If you love someone you would wanna save them from harm. Guess that supecedes the "thou shall tell the truth" commandment.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

Yep and when homosexuals "love someone", that supercedes all that "man shall not lie with man" garbage 👍

@veekee75 Год назад

@@trumpbellend6717 being rebellious and lustful are not love. You wanna be a follower of Christ you gotta first deny yourself, which includes the desires of your flesh.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@veekee75 _"rebelious"_ lol against WHO dear ?? the specific subjective invisible guardian that *YOU* determined represent the moral standard that we should all adhere and aspire to ?? Tell me dear can we use *ANY* "God" as the basis for this "objective" moral standard you speak of.?? Or just the SPECIFIC SUBJECTIVE invisible being *YOU* determined to be the "correct" one out of the many thousands man has preposed. If its the latter then in actuality its *YOU* and YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION that is determining morality dear. if its the former, then asserting objectivity to any moral claim based upon a "God" becomes a completely vacuous useless concept 👍 The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@veekee75 // "a follower of christ" // Let's just assume for the sake of argument that the christian God is the only God and all the thousands of other man made are false. This still leaves me with many problems as I often struggle to ascertain the christian "worldview" with regards to several issues such as..... The trinity 🤔 Is the pope the head of the church 🤔 Can priests marry 🤔 Birth control 🤔 Sexuality🤔 Can women be ordained 🤔 How to attain salvation🤔 The nature of mary 🤔 Dispensationalism vrs covernantalism🤔 Freewill vrs predestination 🤔 Eternal security 🤔 Faith vrs works 🤔 Heaven 🤔 Hell🤔 Evolution🤔 Alcohol🤔 Literal or aligorical bible 🤔 Divorce 🤔 It's so difficult because According to Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there exist roughly 43,000 Christian denominations worldwide in 2012. That is up from 500 in 1800 and 39,000 in 2008 and this number is expected to grow to 55,000 by 2025 They disagree and have different opinions with regard to all of the above that's precisely WHY they have different denominations. *ITS ALL SUBJECTIVE* All these different gods and denominations past and present offer differing morality that has nothing to do with human wellbeing but often contradict and conflict with each other on almost every issue. So my question to you is ....... Which specific denomination is it that in your SUBJECTIVE OPINION represents the "correct" OBJECTIVE Christian *WORLDVIEW* as opposed to simply the subjective worldview of individual Christians ?? 🙄🤔

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@veekee75 I'm sure my teenage son "lusts" after many females, that does NOT mean he gets to indulge very often 🤣 😂 😆. I highly doubt many people would have got married without "lusting" for their future partner at some point dear. Its a natural human instinct and desire and its how one responds to your desires and the actions you take that could have moral implications not the desires themselves.

@snoopycharlie8718 Год назад

God driven Ambition - sounds a bit like Frodo and the Ring, wanting to use it for good, but being corrupted along the way ... Tread carefully!

@bengelfranco Год назад

Atheism has no answers!!!

@Alien1375 Год назад

Better no answers then made up answers.

@HeIsRisenLuke24 Год назад

@@Alien1375That’s exactly what moral relativism is. Making up whatever someone thinks works for them based on arbitrary standards…which may differ greatly from someone else’s arbitrary standards.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@HeIsRisenLuke24 Tell me dear can we use *ANY* "God" as the basis for this "objective" moral standard you speak of.?? Or just the SPECIFIC SUBJECTIVE invisible being *YOU* determined to be the "correct" one out of the many thousands man has preposed. If its the latter then in actuality its *YOU* and YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION that is determining morality dear. if its the former, then asserting objectivity to any moral claim based upon a "God" becomes a completely vacuous useless concept 👍 The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@HeIsRisenLuke24 //" may differ greatly from someone else's arbitrary standards" // 🤔 Hmm let's just assume for the sake of argument that the christian God is the only God and all the thousands of other man made are false. This still leaves me with many problems as I often struggle to ascertain the christian "worldview" with regards to several issues such as..... The trinity 🤔 Is the pope the head of the church 🤔 Can priests marry 🤔 Birth control 🤔 Sexuality🤔 Can women be ordained 🤔 How to attain salvation🤔 The nature of mary 🤔 Dispensationalism vrs covernantalism🤔 Freewill vrs predestination 🤔 Eternal security 🤔 Faith vrs works 🤔 Heaven 🤔 Hell🤔 Evolution🤔 Alcohol🤔 Literal or aligorical bible 🤔 Divorce 🤔 It's so difficult because According to Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there exist roughly 43,000 Christian denominations worldwide in 2012. That is up from 500 in 1800 and 39,000 in 2008 and this number is expected to grow to 55,000 by 2025 They disagree and have different opinions with regard to all of the above that's precisely WHY they have different denominations. *ITS ALL SUBJECTIVE* All these different gods and denominations past and present offer differing morality that has nothing to do with human wellbeing but often contradict and conflict with each other on almost every issue. So my question to you is ....... Which specific denomination is it that in your SUBJECTIVE OPINION represents the "correct" OBJECTIVE Christian *WORLDVIEW* as opposed to simply the subjective worldview of individual Christians ?? 🙄🤔 Theists often attempt to obfuscate and evade with vague non specific denomination nonsense for fear of me exposing just how subjective their beliefs are, but I'm sure you won't do that will you 😜

@bengelfranco Год назад

Give me proof Christianity is made up? Made up by who? Moses? Abraham? Isaac? Jesus? Paul? Peter? talk to me.

@angelsaulovelazquez3232 Год назад

Thou shall not murder, it's not thou shall not kill

@enki354 Год назад

In my Bible it does.

@CR-yd4qe 11 месяцев назад

The only way you get the bible to be moral, is an whole lot of word cycling. 🐹

@Kookaburger Год назад

There is no context in which lying isn’t sin…the women that lied to protect the babies did so before God gave the commandments, the woman that lied in Jericho was not an Israelite, in both cases they sinned…it was sin for Judas to betray Jesus, but it also fulfilled the will of God, but it didn’t stop it from being sin…however I will lie in that scenario and take the charge (sin), and trust in God’s mercy, that will be better than them being killed, and sent to hell

@skippy675 Год назад

What you are saying is that it is sinful to apprehend or put a stop to evil behavior when we have a chance. That when a pedophile is lied to and set up in order to be caught by police, that this is sinful. It's a stumbling block for Christians. The ability to think critically has been completely forfeited in lue of faith in the Word. I have asked Christians if building a snowman with my kids is considered idolatry or worship of an ungodly image if we put a hat on it and carrot for a nose. Most Christians are at a complete loss to answer since the Bible doesn't cover snowmen.

@Kookaburger Год назад

@@skippy675 oh come on, don’t be disingenuous, I never said it is sinful to put a stop to evil behavior when we have a chance Good/noble intent does not stop lying from being sin Sin is not the violation of good intent, it’s the violation of God’s will…and God’s will is very clear when it comes to lying, there is no context in which lying isn’t sin “The greater good” is not a good justification for sin

@Kookaburger Год назад

@@skippy675 as for the snowman…do u believe the snowman is god? If yes, then it is idolatry, if no, then it isn’t idolatry

@skippy675 Год назад

@@Kookaburger just pointing out that lying and intentionally deceiving are necessary tactics to stop evil at times. Semantics really whether such deception is a forgivable sin, or non sin really.

@Kookaburger Год назад

@@skippy675 I agree…however as far as God is concerned, it’s still sin, the end does not justify the means

@NovusIgnis Год назад

9:19 you literally just did that though. You tried to use the Bible to say that people are doing something wrong. You didn't shoot them, but you're condemning people for thinking in a way that's in line with the Bible, when what you said *wasn't* in line with the Bible. The entire Bible is all about the binary. There's either sin, or not sin. There's God, or the devil. There's good, and evil. Everything regarding morality is either black or white. There are no shades of grey involved. The Grey comes in when we as people don't like the result, so we try to justify the opposite.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

Tell me dear, how could Adam or indeed mankind make moral choices without being able to differentiate good from evil ?? Without knowledge of right and wrong every moral "choice becomes meaningless, choice *A* no more valid than the diametrically opposed choice *B* And yet ...... dispite Gods foreknowledge of this he still decided to deny Adam and Eve this knowledge and to punish not only them for gaining this knowledge but also their descendants ?? 🤪 how utterly absurd and immoral!! We have names for people who do not know how to differentiate right from wrong and we lock such people up in concrete boxes or execute them. Yet this is how your "God" wanted mankind to be (and we would still be if not for the Serpent) and you think him a perfect moral reference standard 😂😅🤣🤣🤣🤣

@NovusIgnis Год назад

@@trumpbellend6717 Adam and Eve had 1 rule. They didn't need to know what was good and what was evil, they only had 1 rule to follow versus all of us who have many. In those days, their flesh had not yet been corrupted, so their very being did not yet desire to go against God. They sinned because they were deceived and listened to another being instead of God, something which they knew was wrong because God had taught them this. They listened to God's other commands like eating from the plants or naming the animals, so it's clearly known to them that following God was the right thing to do. You labor under the delusion that the tree of knowledge of good and evil gave humans the knowledge of these things. That isn't the case. What it gave us was the *ability* to judge good and evil for ourselves. Before eating it, mankind was still able to know that something was good and something was evil if they were told so.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@NovusIgnis When your all knowing omniscient "God" created the "tree of knowledge", the Serpent, Eve, and placed them in the garden did he not know IN ADVANCE all that would follow ?? and yet he still did so changing nothing 🤔 Pray tell which of the factors involved in Adams "choice" was God not responsible for ?? His GENETICS, his knowledge and understanding, every single internal and external influence from his environment was aledgedly created by God with foreknowledge. It was then imposed upon a man who had no knowledge of good and evil. Who was then expected to go against his programing and make a "choice" that would either lead to his decendants being punished for his "SIN" or remaining in ignorance of what morality even is 🤔🤔 lol some "choice" You know to me that whole original sin biblical narative ( forbidden fruit ect ) seems analogous to me putting a loaded shotgun in a toddlers cot telling them not to touch it, and then being surprised when I hear a *BANG* 💥 and I'm not even omniscient 🤣😅🤣😅

@smashleyscott8272 Год назад

We did NOT "evolve" in the Scriptures. The LITERAL translation of that commandment is "You shall not MURDER". There are two Hebrew words for killing: unjust/unlawful killing (i.e. murder) and just/lawful killing. You guests often dramatically misrepresent Scripture, Ruslan.

@trumpbellend6717 10 месяцев назад

Is killing "just" if it's carried out by people believing it is instructed by a subjective invisible God or only if its the specific subjective invisible God *YOU* determined to be the "correct" one ?? 🤔

@Whoo_Boy Год назад

Those who actually know God and His word knows that lying is always a sin. If you lie to protect human life, it MIGHT be a situation in which God MIGHT hold your lying self as blameless. If God is either chastising or destroying the people who you just lied to protect, those people will eventually be found out. Then, you might be destroyed with them and without remedy to your own demise. Don't forget what happened to the Old Testament prophet who let a man live who was appointed to die. Remember the words of Christ, "Whoever seeks to save his life, will lose it." The Holy Spirit counsels that this covers the seeking to save the lives of others, not just your own, through sin. The lies told by the midwives and the lie told by Rahab were not commanded by God. Therefore, there is no precedence in the Bible for telling lies. David did it best when King Saul's men caught up to him but didn't know it was him, David seeking to throw them off his scent only pretended to be angry, without lying. That is wisdom from above.

@skippy675 Год назад

So if an intruder has your son or daughter at gunpoint, and you know that your son or daughter has not yet been saved, then the intruder demands simply that proclaim that you velieve Christ is a fraud or he will murder your child. Do you still tell the truth and see your child sent to Hell? Of course not. There is a difference between killing and murder. Killing is sometimes justified. So is lying when it is done to protect or ultimately serve God.

@Whoo_Boy Год назад

@@skippy675Enough with the scenarios! Our approval and non-approval of each other's decisions are vain. They are dead in the water. Obey God!! If you do something you think is a sin, then plead your case with Him, not with me or anybody else. If you think I have sinned, then pray for me. The Bible is God's word. Do what it says and stop looking for approval from people with these vain scenarios.

@skippy675 Год назад

@@Whoo_Boy so would your frustration in the reply you just composed be considered a sin? God made clear in First Peter 3:15 that believers should always be prepared to give an answer in support of their faith. Jesus never lost his patience and said "fucq off people, I already told you all you need to know! Just internalize it and reflect on it." I shall never tire of asking questions and seeking the right answer for every scenario that I can imagine (which is nearly infinite by the way). RU-vid had better beef up their servers to accommodate all my questions though, LOL! Thanks for your encouragement.

@Whoo_Boy Год назад

I have no frustration about anybody when they sin unless those sins are of a physical, emotional or sexual nature. People claim to be christians even though that's not a title that anyone in scripture ever took unto themselves. We're in the 'home stretch.' Either you believe God or you don't. I'm here to help those who are willing to be helped. I will not baby, nor grieve for anyone else.

@skippy675 Год назад

@@Whoo_Boy so which sins are left after you filter out the physical, emotional and sexual ones? Aren't all sins driven by emotion ultimately? Whether we give into our lust and fucq the hot babysitter when our wife isn't around or pig out on a quart of rocky road ice cream, we have given into to an impulse urge in order to release dopamine to feel that "rush". What Christians call sin. That acts as a behavior reinforcement and is key to addiction. The slow release hormones we call endorphins are more often associated with positive behaviors like prayer, fasting, exercise and care of others. They offer more of a calming, pain reduction effect more so than a quick rush, thus are more often associated with activities we consider virtuous. This is the main difference between intimacy in a marriage compared to a quick fucq of the tinder date you just met. The former is slow building, more endorphin related, longer lasting feeling. The latter is a quick fix, dopamine hit that quickly fades and leaves you wanting more. Neither has anything to do with sin of course. Sin is just the term used by the folks in Biblical times who hadn't yet studied or come to understand dopamine vs endorphin effects. But anyway. Keep an eye out for Jesus and let us know when you see him! Hold up one lantern if by land, two if by sea and three (Praise the Holy Trinity, undivided unity, Holy God, Mighty God, God immortal we adore) if by air!

@philosophyforum4668 Год назад

Turek uses clumsy wording, and you are doing the same. Sin is never justified. Lying is never justified. Morality is not subjective. This particular question is not even an ethical dilemma. But not all killing is murder, and not all misleading is lying. Turek is correct in that you have to look at the greater context, and that is what clears it up. Right and wrong depends on the surrounding ethical circumstances. But lying is bearing false witness - which means as a witness to an event where it concerns ethical issues. Since Nazis are the ones who are unethical, misleading them about Jews is not a lie. It is a risk taken in faith, which is honorable to God.

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

The Ashkenazi Jewish people had been a part of that German community for well over a thousand years it was only their religion that differentiated them. They played a large part in all social aspects of art, commerce, education, science, politics, ect. Many had fought and died to protect fellow Germans, won Nobel prizes and even written the Weimar constitution. Regardless every few hundred years the Christian majority would engage various forms of persecution in attempts to destroy them. They were blamed for any ill that befell the German society. The first Crusaders slaughtered over 12,000 in the Rhenish cities alone between May and July 1096 In the 13,00's they were blamed for the inroads of the Mongols ( even though they suffered equally at their hands as the Christians ) so once again the Christians massacred them. They were blamed for "poisoning wells" that Christians claimed caused the plague, the list goes on and on. 🤢🤮 Each time they as part of this "retribution" they were given the option to convert to Catholicism, be expelled or face death. The only thing that determined their fate was their religion. Become Catholic and it was all good and they were left alone in all these pogroms. 😜

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

Morality is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are appropriate from those inappropriate. The recognition and evaluation of the consequences our choices have with regards to ourselves and others. My NOT believing in a mythological god in no way impedes the ability of forming such moral assessments. We are self aware conscious pain and emotion feeling individuals capable of love or hate, incredible acts of altruism or depravity. It's how we navigate through life and these potential extremes that define us, not our belief ( or lack of ) in your specific subjective invisible friend.

@philosophyforum4668 Год назад

@@trumpbellend6717 That's moral relativism. Don't know why anyone would defend it. In that scheme everyone can be "moral" by their own standard and still have conflict. That's also why you think atheists can be moral. When God's standard of morality is not to your liking, you just ignore it and invent your own standard. And then when the human standards of morality no longer suits you, you just lower it again, and again, and again....

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@philosophyforum4668 lol oh the irony 🙄 tell me dear is your OPINION regarding the "correct" God who's allegedly the basis for morality a "SUBJECTIVE" one or a "OBJECTIVE" one ? Can we use *ANY* "God" as the basis for this "objective" moral standard you speak of.?? Or just the SPECIFIC SUBJECTIVE invisible being *YOU* determined to be the "correct" one out of the many thousands man has preposed. If its the latter then in actuality its *YOU* and YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION that is determining morality dear. if its the former, then asserting objectivity to any moral claim based upon a "God" becomes a completely vacuous useless concept 👍 The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

@ijclnl48 Год назад

So if we had a socialist takeover of the government and a socialist economy was then the law of the land, would we be justified in fighting back? Socialism and nothing like socialism is anti-biblical. What are your thoughts?

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

The god of biblical narratives was most certainly a socialist dear.

@rockstarburne Год назад

the idea that the bible supports socialism is straight up bullshit.

@DM-dk7js Год назад

Morality is subjective tho. Change my mind.

@snoopycharlie8718 Год назад

That means you can't be mad at someone who smashes your car/ house/ computer/ phone etc. and won't pay for any damage, because they didn't do anything wrong, in their eyes. Everyone knows that's unjust, there's an underlying code everyone knows is right.

@DrDoerk Год назад

Nope.... definitely objective

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@snoopycharlie8718 You present the false dichotomy that without YOUR SPECIFIC SUBJECTIVE GOD all things become permissable ( shakes head in disgust 🤬 ) this is not only false its *DEMONSTRABLY FALSE* Can you name me some countries or societies that regard murder, rape, theft, as moral and legal actions ??? No of course not, but why ? for according to your reasoning those societies that do not adhere to YOUR GODS moral dictates ( other religions, and the atheistic, secular ect ) should be examples of depravity and lawlessness, yet this is plainly NOT the case and It would be a demonstration of hubris to assert otherwise. Not just that do you know that there have been many studies to assess the religiosity of societies in comparison with their number of murders, rapes, abortions, drug use, single parents, even wealth and health America dispite being one of the most christian countries in the world has the HIGHEST prison population rate per capita anywhere in the world 🤔🤔🤔 it also has amongst the worst results in many of the above categories. Yet those we regard as the most atheistic secular ( the Scandinavian, Sweden ect) score much much better and are amongst the best in those same categories. Hmmm.🤔🤔🤔 For example one of many ........ *"Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies"*

@trumpbellend6717 Год назад

@@DrDoerk Tell me dear can we use *ANY* "God" as the basis for this "objective" moral standard you speak of.?? Or just the SPECIFIC SUBJECTIVE invisible being *YOU* determined to be the "correct" one out of the many thousands man has preposed. If its the latter then in actuality its *YOU* and YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION that is determining morality dear. if its the former, then asserting objectivity to any moral claim based upon a "God" becomes a completely vacuous useless concept 👍 The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔