For a party Maris flies in a sculptor to carve her likeness out of a block of ice. Frasier says, "ah, the perfect marriage of subject and medium!" I love that line!
My favourite description of Maris was the one where they describe a terrifying incredibly thin woman who comes into the coffee shop and orders a skinny latte, and then instead of drinking it she just smells it and walks out.
My favourite one is from the first episode. Niles: I thought you liked my Maris. Frasier: I like her from a distance, like the sun. Maris is like the sun. Expect without the warmth.
Roz: I don't see Maris. I think she might have left. No, wait. She's still here. I can see her coat on a hat rack. Frasier: Look closely. Is the hat rack moving? Roz: Oh, my god!
One line that always stuck with me is the one where Niles explains that Maris is off to Switzerland to attend her yearly “goat placenta treatment” lol.
The episode where Niles was afraid Maris was having an affair with the German fencing teacher: the teacher's wife called into Frasier's show and described Maris as "a not quite human woman".
will always regret that he never once found the courage to stand up for himself and say "I will not let you treat me like this, Lillith! I mean Maris."
Niles… “I am reminded of a time with Maris’ brief flirtation with activewear. I assured her… You look fine darling… Spandex is supposed to blouse…“ lol
Maris doesn't usually wear earrings, since they make her head droop. Maris doesn't leave tracks in the snow when she skis Maris resembles a hat rack....
best description of her was when Martin had to describe her to the police over the phone "she's thin-make that very thin!Caucasian-make that very Caucasian!!!!!
The best description of her was when they were in her cruise cabin bathroom and Roz mistook her for a hat rack with a coat hanging off it then Frasier asked if the hat rack was moving.
N: "Maybe it wouldn't hurt to look into getting some of her eggs frozen." F: "Oh, I'd suspect they're only a few degrees away from that now." LMAO 😂 I always thought this line was more suited to Lilith, but of course, Frederick exists. However, Niles's line responses to Lilith in relation to the turkey is a great play on the same idea.
Maris is much more important than Verra from Cheers. And they gave an awesome story and send off for her in season 11. One of the best characters never to be shown on-screen.
I think there was a scene in the end credits of an episode where marris had secluded herself in a sensory deprivation tank for reasons (I can't remember for the life of me) and Niles opens it to hand her a wine glass and you can see her hand taking it. I think that was the most we've ever seen of her on screen.
Personally I've thought for years that Shelley Duvall could have played Maris: Duvall is really thin, really pale, and can certainly play bizarre and/or high-strung characters. Plus I would have loved to see her, Shelley Long and Bebe Neuwirth all together in one scene!
+Kelaiah01 another truth. and it would have been genius. but then again never seeing maris is just a really brilliant choice. the mystery of maris is likely better than the reality of maris imo.
I was thinking that actress that played Mel (Jane Addams)--she'd be perfect to play Maris. I always pictured Maris as... well, like Lilith... only more so.
Martin: "She [Maris] hasn't taken up horseback riding, has she?" Niles: "No, no ... she wanted to, but unfortunately her little quadriceps are so tight she's incapable of straddling anything larger than a Border Collie." One of the funniest Maris comments ever! I always love it when they reference her.
I felt they missed out of a great joke in Season 9 when they visited the Cheers gang in Boston. Niles and Norm could have talked about Maris and Vera. "You mean nobody has ever seen your wife in person? That seems incredibly peculiar and unrealistic" or something like that.
I'm glad they never chose to show Maris. No actress could have done the part right and justice. Now they could stretch and make her more and more bizarre. Fragile, mentally unstable Extremely thin. She used to be fat and gained weight again during later seasons after Niles dumped her Cold Older than Niles Snobish She's undergoes plastic surgery like normal people change underwear. In one episode Roz mistoke her for a coathanger.
One of the funniest mentions of Maris that I remember cracking up over, was the time she had chafed thighs and ended up straggling a butterball turkey....
@@notsureiL All the women in the show are, which makes it near nye impossible. In saying that, if it hadn't been for certain physical descriptions, I actually believe Peri would've pulled her off. How Roz and Niles jibed at each other in the early seasons could have easily been written as comeback remarks and bickering from Niles and Maris, not to mention half the descriptions Niles uses for Maris's absence "can't produce saliva" etc, can easily be attributed to how he initially felt about Roz. Also, it plays well in the episode where Roz charades as Maris being married to Fraiser to make out Niles is with Daphne to get rid of Clive. It would have given proper displays of a woman Fraiser finds friendship in (Roz) and one he couldn't stand (Maris). However, yes, for all the physical descriptions, they are all too beautiful.
The German guys wife called Maris “not quite human looking woman”, Bebe neuwirth is to pretty to play Maris. They have to put her hair up and make her look pale with makeup to pull off Lilith.
I think the funniest Maris moment there was when Niles and her got divorced and they saw her walking dow the street and she gained a lot of weight after the divorce. She spotted Niles and chased after him and tried to break into Frasier's apartment to get him.
The only time we ever (kinda) see her is in the episode on the cruise when Frasier,Marty and Roz are hiding in Maris's cabin shower and she comes into the bathroom and we see her shadow through the shower curtain,then she starts gurgling mouthwash
I always said I wanted to know who came up with the idea to never show Maris, because it's so original and no one ever did it in a show before. Up until the end, we never see her, even when she comes back into their lives after being accused of murdering her lover. Do you remember the energy drink she drinks through the straw that Marta sticks through the hole in the box? And then it's too much so she puts some back? That's friggin hilarious.
It was done a number of times before - the never-seen character - Charlie, in the series Charlie's Angels; Carlton the doorman, in the sitcom Rhoda; Joanie's friend Jenny Piccolo in Happy Days (she's one of the few that eventually was cast and became a real character).
You didn't watch the video... they did the same thing with Vera, Norm's wife, in Cheers. They never showed what'shisname's mother in Big Bang Theory, either, just heard her voice.
@@anonygentthey do show Howard’s mother briefly, in the episode where she kidnaps Raj you see her briefly run past the kitchen door a couple times and then see her hands later in the episode
@@mrcritical6751 My impression of her was that she was much too large to do any running. I missed that episode. In any event, it's a common trope, and not one I'm fond of.
I liked the episode when frasier says, maris thinks her chocolate allergy entitles her to park in the hanicapped space. Lol. Thats not word for word, only what i remember.
Without seeing her once or hearing her voice she was the strongest character on the show. And that, my friends, is called good writing. The likes of which hasn’t been seen since HBO plagiarized GRRM’s Game of Thrones
I always, always thought : " If they ever show Maris, they'll use BEBE NEUWIRTH and no one - except maybe Roz and Daphne - will notice ' Augghh - It's Lilith again ! '
+iamintheburg true. i always thought that they could just change bebe up a little bit and that's maris. lol. after all if memory serves well frasier and niles pretty much said that they married similar women. at least to a degree. maris was even more extreme than lilith but bebe could pull it off. ;)
@@pranabpant3764 Especially when you think of the line where Tom (Fraiser's new boss) says: "wait a minute, this Maris guy he keeps mentioning is a woman?" to which Fraiser said, "Well, the jury's still out on that one." It would be funny for a guy to do it, and Jim is a brilliant actor.
My favorite description of Maris is when Niles brings a greyhound home, Martin walks in and asks what it is and Frasier says, "Niles saw this in the pet store and had an inexplicable attraction. " Martin says, "You can see its ribs." Frasier says, "Hint number one."
@@vodkagal28 If anything, most likely her eloquent and antique tastes. Even though he states that he never liked them in the divorce storyline, there is no denying that Niles liked the comfort and snobbery they allowed him.
Niles and Frasier both married women they felt resembled their mothers in some way. Their mother was a bright sophisticated woman. Maris and Lilith are both " high born" and " cultured" but lacking in other character traits like loyalty or warmth.
It would have been funny if they introduced her in the final episode and she was just this charming and completely normal woman, and the audience realizes that all of the other characters have been either just unfairly bullying her for the entire show, or else sharing an inside joke not shared earlier with the audience at large.
Has anyone tried drawing Maris from how they describe her in the show? Update: Looked up "Drawing of Maris Crane" and one drawing on Pinterest shows up, looks pretty accurate.
Think about what David Hyde Pierce says in this video a sitcom based on a character that you never see. When he said Fraser goes off the air she’ll probably have her own sitcom. Because you if think about it every episode she wasn’t in was actually an episode that centered around Maris and it did with such fluidity.
Maris WAS shown on Cheers , I remember the episode ! She had black shoulder-length hair , very thin, and extremely under confident , but bossy at the same time ! She was talking to Fraiser in front of the door . DML
My favourite description of Maris was when an absolutely terrifying woman went into the coffee shop. She ordered a skinny cappuccino, and then instead of drinking it she just smelt it, and then walked out. But I don't seem to be able to find the clip on RU-vid.
After many a years of watching Fraiser I often thought that maybe the writers of the show had watch or been a fan of Minder a UK series that was around in the early 80ts about a guy called Aurther Daley a dodgy dishonest business man and his Minder Terry McCann. Auther Daley always mentioned his wife as "her indoors" or "her that shall be obeyed" but we the audience never actually saw his wife even though she was a butt of alot of his jokes. Just a thought.
The lore for that was that Lilith was created at the same time as Adam, from the same dirt. But she didn't want to be subservient to Adam, so she left, and wouldn't return to the Garden after mating with the Archangel Samael.
My cousin married ''Maris'' and she used to spend holidays drifting between the bedroom and the kitchen claiming to have migraines. We wouldn't see her for entire days and then she'd pop out of the room to eat a single grape and then dissolve back into the shadows.
oh my GOD! I just re-watched the part where her ideal weight was typed into an security system. there were 5 buttons per row, and i can only assume they would be in counting order. he pressed first button second row, (6) and the button after that (7) then the first button first row (1) and the second button on the first row (2) an exact quote with the numbers pressed inserted Niles: "It's her ideal weight. What she weighed at her debutante ball. Let's see, this many pounds,(6) (7) and that many ounces.(1)(2)" OH MY GOD SHE WEIGHED 67 pounds and 12 ounces!! OH MY DEAR GOD OH MIGHTY!
Yes lilith is supposed to be the demon queen in some mythology. The demon king is supposed to be samael. Its also supposed to be that lillith created the horsemen of the apacolypse.
The Hewbrew folklore regarding this is that she married/mated with the Archangel Samael. Not Satan. Other writings says she was the love interest of Satan and Lucifer, who are actually the same being. Other legends about Lilith is that it is generally thought to be related to a class of female demon.
My Favorite Maris Moment Niles: she's cornered Lydia Beaumont, head of the museum board.Maris has been angling to get on that board for years. Martin:It looks like Lydia's getting away. Niles: Oh, yes, the old freshen-the-drink ploy. Poor old Lydia has no idea with whom she's dealing. That's right, Maris, chug That sherry, on with the chase!There she goes, she's gaining, she's gaining, she's coming round the ice sculpture It’s Mrs. Beaumont and Maris, Mrs. Beaumont and Maris, and… Yes! They meet again!
I like the Big Bang Theory use this same technique of never seeing Howard Wolowitz’s mother (even though we still get to hear the loud Mrs. Wolowitz in the background).
