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FRAY - The Lost World - SCIFI / STEAMPUNK SHORT FILM 

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This is our little no budget- scifi short film we shot here in Finland in 2014, out in the open. Hope you guys enjoy.
"For others it was a dead world, for her it was a land of opportunity."

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@Graxster
@Graxster 5 лет назад
If acting consisted of delivering all your lines very slowly and in an unemotional monotone, these people would all deserve Oscars.
@txbluesguy
@txbluesguy Год назад
This reminds me of an early D&D game. The players enter a bar just on the edge of the wastelands. They don't know each other. For some reason, a fight breaks out, and they end up helping each other out. Afterward, they head out together to start their life of adventures together.
@robert-yv2yj
@robert-yv2yj Месяц назад
This was great. Star Wars meets For A Few Dollars More. Love to see a full length film with these characters in it.
@ValJonesDaO
@ValJonesDaO 7 лет назад
Soooo like I'm watching almost every day. IJS....the synchronicity of it all. BRILLIANT JOB AGAIN, GUYS!!!!
@patrickconroy5088
@patrickconroy5088 7 лет назад
I would like to see more of this crew. Pirates of the Caribbean meets Guardians of the Galaxy.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Haha, I don't know if we're there yet but thanks!
@Wilky971
@Wilky971 4 года назад
I appreciated it, i think it's not for everyone, i didn't understand really the whole context, but it seems that the important point was the new relationship they were building each other.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 4 года назад
Thanks!
@professor_lembach
@professor_lembach 2 года назад
"Congratulations on graduating Villainous Boss Antagonist School. Here is your complimentary huge snake. Wear it with pride."
@diy_nailsby_heidi_r3889
@diy_nailsby_heidi_r3889 3 года назад
Pyhät tulipallot! 2014 ?! Toivon, että olet työskennellyt jatko-osan parissa, koska TÄMÄ on kuuma ominaisuus ja ansaitsee sarjan ja / tai pitkäkestoisen elokuvan. PARAS lyhyt mitä olen nähnyt kuukausina. Bravo! ************************* Holy fireballs! 2014?! I hope you've been working on a "sequel", because THIS is a hot property and deserves a series and/or a feature-length movie. BEST short I've seen in months. Bravo!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 3 года назад
Kiitokset!
@diy_nailsby_heidi_r3889
@diy_nailsby_heidi_r3889 3 года назад
@@hmcindie Olet tervetullut ja onnea!
@jasoncentracchio4836
@jasoncentracchio4836 7 лет назад
This was great! I hope to see a sequel. Really liked the personalities of Alex and Fray. Wonderful film.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks Jason! Yay someone liked our film :) !
@zmdeadelius
@zmdeadelius 7 лет назад
I second that!
@GrapeNephi
@GrapeNephi 7 лет назад
Yes, more please.
@vegasveteran6308
@vegasveteran6308 3 года назад
True talent. I masterpiece that today would be viewed as possibly outdated. However, man respect man. This SciFi short is a diamond in the rough.
@rickyoungs6429
@rickyoungs6429 3 года назад
That was awesome! What a rush! I'm instantly a fan!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 3 года назад
Yay!
@RedLeader327
@RedLeader327 6 лет назад
This has great potential. I wouldn’t classify it as steampunk, though.
@enriqueeenriquez2180
@enriqueeenriquez2180 2 года назад
Positive side - Big effort to get the audience into a known story line. Negative - No background information leading into the scene nor characters. Fighting scene, could have been either longer and more fist fighting or shorter if everybody has guns. or fists and as soon as any side begin to lose, then the gun start to pull out. or a hand granade and everybody dies. Positive again - characters are played by good looking actors or not so depending on what side of the line they are. Anyways. even though it is not a great short clip, i vote for a like for keeping the sci-fi short film movement alive. Note, put a bit of science or factual in the clip, that makes SciFi movies great, like a plain drama as First Signal
@arklinmike
@arklinmike 6 лет назад
Wonderful! I kept thinking to myself "there's something about their voices - was it dubbed?" Then I see you're from Finland. Its just the way they speak English. Its a pity the first one wasn't longer. I find myself wondering what Fray and her partner will get up to next. Thank you so much for sharing, and here's to your continued work.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
Hey thanks! Yeah we did some horrible adr/dub all over it haha ;)
@ThreezeNiNja
@ThreezeNiNja 6 лет назад
The set and lighting for that bar was top notch. Thanks for posting.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
thanks :)
@nelsonthibeau4480
@nelsonthibeau4480 4 года назад
Well done, me likey, definitely a nod to heavy metal mag....perfect 🤩
@americanopinion5711
@americanopinion5711 4 года назад
Great video, I was left wanting more episodes.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 4 года назад
Thanks!
@SPARKY102950
@SPARKY102950 4 года назад
I want to see more episodes of this. I want to see more of this chick and I want to know more about her relationship with her backup in the bar.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 4 года назад
Hey thanks!
@carolinelabbott2451
@carolinelabbott2451 3 года назад
Loved it. No matter the rougher parts, overall I enjoyed this. ❤️
@NDKY67
@NDKY67 4 года назад
Very nice, great set, costume design and casting. Can’t wait to see more from you.
@daniel_wilkinson
@daniel_wilkinson 2 года назад
Thank you for putting this out. It was a lot of work from the crew and the actors. You did really well, considering it was no/low budget, and that it was 7 years ago... The ADR... I, personally would have preferred the dialog be natural, native, with subtitles. Cut out some of stuff that doesn't add to the story, like the glass looking and booze sloshing at 6:02. Add some diegetic sounds, even if you have to use on-set microphones.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 2 года назад
Thanks!
@jamieletual3175
@jamieletual3175 4 года назад
8:35 "What the hell is this?" "What?" -Gestures to everything
@slashusr
@slashusr 4 года назад
Hands down winner in the "Most cliches packed into a single video" category! Embarrassing, seriously. The writer should definitely "keep his day job."
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 4 года назад
Thanks Robert! So should you!
@jamesgeorgia4423
@jamesgeorgia4423 5 лет назад
I would like to see this one as a series or a movie.
@golgothapro
@golgothapro 7 лет назад
I think the showdown scene would have been more convincing if the heroine actress had been directed to act just a bit uptight or a tad worried instead of just matter of fact as if no risk was involved, but overall I could feel myself getting sucked into it all. A worthy effort to be sure. Wish I could have been a part of it. Thanks for sharing it.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks Joseph! Yeah my directing was a bit weak in some scenes.
@ttb0201
@ttb0201 5 лет назад
This has real potential, but also needs a lot of work. I hope you produce more episodes and make each one better than the last. You know what needs to be improved.
@CelebrityCyborg
@CelebrityCyborg 6 лет назад
Thx for posting. Steampunk is cool! Really just caught on. Reminds me of Heavy Metal magazine. I would like to enjoy more of Fray! 👍👍
@user-oj9ic5wh2f
@user-oj9ic5wh2f 6 лет назад
STEAMPUNK ? saw only punk, but have some good moments with fails mostly, that was fun
@Kotroniusz
@Kotroniusz 7 лет назад
Looks like a beginning of great friendship :) I want MORE!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks Krzysztof! We'll try to make more!
@billtomey1266
@billtomey1266 7 лет назад
Krzysztof Sokołowski .u go to bed with that nams
@timsedmunds
@timsedmunds 5 лет назад
I agree, needs a series?
@aporter
@aporter 3 года назад
Bwahaha just watched this again for the first time in a couple of years. Being involved in this project is one of my favorites memories from my time in Finland. Could the acting have been better? Sure. Dialogue? Most def! But this is an amazing project, with a great crew. And I mean, c'mon, set design, editing, overall production value! Thanks so much @hmcindie for everything! PS- I'm one of the actors with the charisma of a wet paper bag, as one of the haters below described us. Lol. That shit is funny!!!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 3 года назад
Oh yeah, we had a damn blast making this one!
@aporter
@aporter 3 года назад
@@hmcindie Is it odd that I find the hater comments hilarious? Reminds me of celebrities reading mean tweets...
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 3 года назад
@@aporter Oh yes!
@micknordstrom2591
@micknordstrom2591 Год назад
This would be a great series!
@davidturner2113
@davidturner2113 5 лет назад
Good movie. I loved the way his gun blew up on him. Well they got thrown out of the bar with nothing for their efforts. Love the way she just gets up the spunk to go on and try something else. I wonder if she will ever get her money?
@ankoutechnica8211
@ankoutechnica8211 5 лет назад
Nice. I'd say more on the sci-fi side than steampunk, but nothing wrong with that. It'd be a good pilot for a series or teaser for a feature. An interesting world. If there was more, I'd watch it.
@deadsparrow28
@deadsparrow28 5 лет назад
Brilliant. Another fantastically grim work from Finland, where the Soviet Union is always just next door.
@tietjen666
@tietjen666 6 лет назад
SISU!! That was a lot of fun! Please make more. Great english language usage- exotic, cool and tough. And Fray: yowza!! Cheers!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
Thanks ;)
@timothyhill9691
@timothyhill9691 6 лет назад
I would totally watch this as a series
@tomm8025
@tomm8025 5 лет назад
Well it's some of the worst dialogue I've heard in a while. The acting I think suffered because of the horrible dialogue. The rest, directing, cinematography, action, editing, etc. was fine. I would say Mikko Lopponen (who wore many hats in this short film) should try directing some things he did not write. Good films start with good stories and good writing, and that is where this one went bad. Otherwise I think it could have been good with a better blueprint to work from. I say this because I think I see potential in Lopponen's directing abilities (and even the other hats he wore), just not as a writer. Not trying to be mean, but I watch a LOT of films my whole life and tons of shorts since RU-vid explosion, and am very detailed so I try to separate what's being done. I see a short film that suffered because of writing...fix the blueprint and I think you end up with something much better!!
@vegasveteran6308
@vegasveteran6308 3 года назад
Worst dialog...Really? Compared to what may I ask? I suppose predator 1 (w/Arnold) was some kind of language masterpiece??? This SciFi short is amazing and values the unspoken meaning of a thing. Old-school. OG. Timeless.
@xxxsaraHelloxxx
@xxxsaraHelloxxx 3 года назад
@@vegasveteran6308 what’s wrong with “get to the choppa “
@agapitomelorques6364
@agapitomelorques6364 Год назад
I Loved this Short Movie.
@MobileFilmmaking
@MobileFilmmaking 4 года назад
Great job guys. I love it
@allisondennis2662
@allisondennis2662 2 года назад
I shocked myself and enjoyed this acting a bit hammy but would make a great series xx
@pamelateece6514
@pamelateece6514 6 лет назад
i used vic vapor rub on my nail and yes it is growing out, back to a healthy nail, used it every night
@WillDovi_vega
@WillDovi_vega 6 лет назад
This had a lot of potential if not for the stale lines for the characters.
@41divad
@41divad Год назад
Lots of various types and scenes... a learning process
@anothergoogleuser
@anothergoogleuser 7 лет назад
Nice story. With a lot of the junk that is being created today on mainstream television this is a refreshing story. Would like to see more of this!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks Tim, we'll do more!
@landscapedetective4064
@landscapedetective4064 7 лет назад
Tim Favreau. Do I spy a Farscape fan?
@davidgauthier9542
@davidgauthier9542 6 лет назад
To be honest, minus a few things here and there I personally would like to see a full length with a decent budget and enough time of course. Plus Fray hot as hell and kicked some ass.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
thanks a bunch!
@MaturePatriot
@MaturePatriot 6 лет назад
Kinda reminds me of FireFly!! I was hoping he would say "but at least I got the money" and show her the pouch the snake guy put on the table.
@maxcruz5936
@maxcruz5936 5 лет назад
Loved it! Main characters have chemistry and liked the guys and girls acting even though it was short. I really liked the action scenes and bet if it had a great script it could be really great! I’d love to see something else made
@mijiajosef3270
@mijiajosef3270 7 лет назад
Great movie. All its faults are what made it special. When you guys make the next one don't change a thing!!! 10/10
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks Mijia!
@vegasveteran6308
@vegasveteran6308 6 лет назад
If you made this film....The possibilities would be endless. What is stopping you?
@alistairsavoury1074
@alistairsavoury1074 7 месяцев назад
Moody, Bladerunnerish, very entertaining.....and good soundtrack....Do some more!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@Watcher40000
@Watcher40000 6 лет назад
You've got something decent here. Hope you get the funding to progress this to a higher level.
@RJPastuch
@RJPastuch 7 лет назад
Wish someone would make a full length movie.
@peterlmallard8963
@peterlmallard8963 10 месяцев назад
Loved this.
@garlandstyle5797
@garlandstyle5797 4 года назад
Enjoyed it! :) A little slow, but SUCH potential. Hope to see more of FRAY. Thanks
@lucacaruso1436
@lucacaruso1436 7 лет назад
Amazing cinematography and lighting!! well done, liked and subbed ;)
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks! subbed back :)
@stevennault5447
@stevennault5447 5 лет назад
Is like watching a school play with better props...
@kennethhowell5291
@kennethhowell5291 7 лет назад
Great characters, great short!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks Kenneth!
@huntera123
@huntera123 5 лет назад
Great concept. Steampunk is an awesome universe. This is an effort that doesn't make it somehow.
@michelepiteo7179
@michelepiteo7179 6 лет назад
This is the future? Doesn't seem to have shifted from the days when Tina Turner was leaping from a jeep togged up in leather ammo belts and a furry bikini.,Thunderdrome , Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark. etc..Least to us older people it doesn't.
@arniecampo5260
@arniecampo5260 5 лет назад
Great film. Would like to see more. Thanks.
@uzelon3888
@uzelon3888 6 лет назад
A fight with the bald guy and the drunk blond it would be awesome
@dwdelve
@dwdelve 6 лет назад
Alright.... we play it your way.... this time
@chrisbacciocco9096
@chrisbacciocco9096 2 года назад
How they get Jeremy Remmer to act in this? Hix commitment to the role is amazing. He must have put on at least 75 pounds for this!
@bitbitten8726
@bitbitten8726 6 лет назад
"Give me a drink, the usual". Are you kidding? And of course a worm! I'm wondering now how many cliches are going to be in this movie!
@pamelaroy1880
@pamelaroy1880 7 лет назад
rabbit I hate watching a good short that I can't continue, pretty good boys
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Pamela Roy thanks pam, we tried!
@kyborhal2727
@kyborhal2727 7 лет назад
Great job guys, if this had been a full lenght film I would have watched the whole thing. The voice dubbing was a little bad, but the cinematography more than made up for it. Keep it up, I want more!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Awesome to hear Kybo!
@jonathanstewart351
@jonathanstewart351 6 лет назад
Very funny in a delightfully gritty, ultra camp sort of way! Sergio Leone would be proud. Well, hey, my opinion. 'The Good, The Bad, and the Really, Really Ugly' in space with a female lead. Could be a success on the big screen if promoted correctly. A potential cult favorite. Try Kickstarter!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
Hey thanks!
@jonathanstewart351
@jonathanstewart351 6 лет назад
That'll be $5, please. [ : - Q ] Seriously, I look forward to the future adventures of... I can't see how others missed the humor. Black humor is hard for people to catch sometimes, but when one sees someone drinking out of a bottle with a skull and crossbones on it, a knock-em-down, drag-em-out fight where everyone's none the worse at the end (OK, minor contusions - you gotta show something), a co-lead's casual attitude of "I'll rescue the female just as soon as I finish my drink...oh, all right, what the hell..."), a bad guy with a pet snake, and so on. I hope it finds its true audience soon. I've subscribed to your RU-vid channel so as to keep up.
@letsgooutdoorsusa
@letsgooutdoorsusa 7 лет назад
Not to bad. Hope they will bring us more
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
I'll try making more!
@justincrombie4338
@justincrombie4338 4 года назад
It had appeal regardless of all the well studied critiques. The chick needed more grunt but the guy played a blunt instrument better than Schwarzy.
@soul832006
@soul832006 5 лет назад
I liked this! It was obvious they are some sort of black market traders trying to make money out of the illegal trade of goods.
@PennineLad
@PennineLad 6 лет назад
Is this a "proof of concept" or a pilot for something potentially bigger? Previous comments on the cardboard acting are spot on, but if it got commissioned, a good director would kick them into touch. The setting, and writing are pretty good though, straight out of a comic. It left me wanting to see the next episode(s)!
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
Hey, sorry for taking a while to answer. It was originally thought of as a "proof of concept" but just became a too-long-short. Proof-of-concepts are usually really short, like one minute and just mostly show shots.
@Imhotep70
@Imhotep70 6 лет назад
That is 12 minutes of my life I could have been asleep.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 4 года назад
Have you been sleeping well?
@JohnSmith-un9fy
@JohnSmith-un9fy 5 лет назад
Fray was ok. Her partner could not act worth a piss. It was cheesey but I liked it.
@HiHiHaHa
@HiHiHaHa 6 лет назад
for her it was a land of opportunity
@carnsoaks1
@carnsoaks1 6 лет назад
great choice of cast - not just 15 uni students of same wirey build.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
Carn Soaks thanks, i guess!
@spaceufo9134
@spaceufo9134 7 лет назад
best sci fi short film
@alyssonrowan6835
@alyssonrowan6835 7 лет назад
Loved it. Nice and gritty.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Late thanks Alysson!
@alyssonrowan6835
@alyssonrowan6835 7 лет назад
Any more tales from this world in the pipeline?
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Yes, though it will probably we a bit different (we will make some changes to everything)
@WolfShadowwhisper
@WolfShadowwhisper 6 лет назад
This was brilliant. It reminded me of comics I read growing up like Strontium Dog, and other 2000 AD sci-fi steampunk comics. The acting was better than some of the people here moan about, I mean if you want bad acting go watch Arrow, some of the actors in Arrow that play the villains need acting classes.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
Thanks a bunch!!
@ericbukley2140
@ericbukley2140 5 лет назад
At the beginning the girl is like touch me and loose the arm. No baby girl. You have to say. Touch me and you'll be pulling back a stump.
@sparkssmith825
@sparkssmith825 7 лет назад
This was so lit! Y'all should put that outro track on soundcloud or something. Would've liked to see a few vampires getting dusted but loved your style nonetheless. :) Thank you for coming through when LURK didn't -_-
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Hey thanks buddy! I'll ask our composer to put up that track!
@donaldwallen9819
@donaldwallen9819 6 лет назад
Sparky Smith I commented on cuz I really liked it thank you bye bye
@juhopakkasvirta3887
@juhopakkasvirta3887 3 года назад
Hey dude! I know this is 3 years old, but I'm actually remastering the soundtrack and releasing it under my name in Spotify soon.
@shamgartruth1449
@shamgartruth1449 6 лет назад
Lots of fun to watch.
@phillipkalaveras1725
@phillipkalaveras1725 6 лет назад
I'm critically critical and I liked it.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
phillip kalaveras thanks!
@brightibezim1486
@brightibezim1486 7 лет назад
Waoo!. This is excelent. I love the ending sound tracks where can I download it.
@karkussthesupreme5454
@karkussthesupreme5454 6 лет назад
15:30 "Im in, all three inches. Cant you tell?"
@hal900x
@hal900x 7 лет назад
Fight scenes make Steven Seagal look fast.
@tarotdragon
@tarotdragon 6 лет назад
Really like this concept you should make more plenty for you to build on could be a good series
@trekfan2996
@trekfan2996 5 лет назад
2 stars. Nothing good EVER comes from watching syfy shorts that end with a WTF? Need more....and what was that? "Lady....you don't know what she is"
@charleshatten429
@charleshatten429 6 лет назад
My kind of show......good......give me more.......fray....
@SuperAlexPerry
@SuperAlexPerry 4 года назад
If Kinder Surprise did movies!
@bassmith448bassist5
@bassmith448bassist5 5 лет назад
Not bad!!!!! Give us more!!!!
@federicocresci698
@federicocresci698 4 года назад
I have a fever... and the only prescription is more cliches.... no.. wait...
@tonyconrad9357
@tonyconrad9357 6 лет назад
This has a Blade runner type feel and tone that I really like. I could see this as the opening for a longer film. Too bad your other film is so much darker, so much more violently graphic. Often what is left to the imagination is far more poignant.
@tura7789
@tura7789 7 лет назад
The villain was awesome !
@okbanlon
@okbanlon 7 лет назад
Very cool! I was hoping she got her item back during the fight. :D
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks Oscar! Originally that part was a deleted scene but I figured that yeah, we need to show it.
@Gynx215
@Gynx215 7 лет назад
please do another one....i like Fray.....i want more
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks Lucky, we'll try!
@markfoster5432
@markfoster5432 8 месяцев назад
It's. Like this guy was mickey Rourke s understury. I liked it very interesting, intertaining
@TheNimshew
@TheNimshew 6 лет назад
Let's see. The female did work for the guy with the snake. He wouldn't pay her money owed. Beats her up. She eats a worm, 'Stranger' sits down and says he'll help her get her money. She goes to 'another guy' and gets him to protect her if things go bad... again. 'Another guy' won''t help 'stranger' or, apparently, help her get her money? Why not? He didn't have her back the first time. Why not?"Stranger' smuggles a firearm into the bar. Great surprise! "Another guy' has a Blaster and no one says anything. Bartender says "No fights!" Well, they just had one earlier and what does he do when this one breaks out? Nada. Did the actor portraying the bartender pay the director for a speaking part? 'Another guy' blows someone into next week. 'Another guy' already 1/5th of the way there. Why stop now? Just kill the'stranger' the 'snake guy' and his minions with that toaster oven of a gravity beam projector he has. Less mess for the bartender, the woman gets her money and maybe 'another guy' gets laid down the road.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 6 лет назад
So you enjoyed it?
@deanshoap793
@deanshoap793 5 лет назад
Nice, very cool looking forward to seeing more
@AllThingsFilm1
@AllThingsFilm1 7 лет назад
Cool little short. I think the music competed with the dialogue a bit. But, I liked the cinematography and graded look.
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Thanks VFX Todd! Cinematography and the grade is I think our best asset here.
@tracker001
@tracker001 7 лет назад
Cool ! Anymore of this Fray story line ?
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
I've written a huge ass storyline though how I can get that forwards is anybodys guess!
@landscapedetective4064
@landscapedetective4064 7 лет назад
Crowdfunding? I'm not rich but I'd be willing to put up some money and I'm sure others here would be willing to help as well.
@KallePihlajasaari
@KallePihlajasaari 7 лет назад
Crowdfunding is illegal in Finland. They will need to get a foreign agent to handle the funding and then cotract with them for production to move funds, legacy laws and paranoia rule in Finland. I liked the short and would gladly watch more. Redubbing it with better flow would ramp it up a lot.
@landscapedetective4064
@landscapedetective4064 7 лет назад
Kalle Pihlajasaari. Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that was the case in Finland. Please excuse my ignorance. Might it be possible to register a Finnish production company outside of Finland, perhaps?
@hmcindie
@hmcindie 7 лет назад
Hey Kalle! Crowdfunding is not illegal IF you sell a product. So if we basically sell a dvd or a downloadable link (for a future download) then it's legal. Just giving money without anything in return is illegal (for example a lot of crowdfunding projects have these "one dollar for special thanks" parts that are illegal here). It's a pretty weird law. There's a finish crowdfunding site Mesenaatti that seems to still be up properly. P.S Hei, toinen suomalainen!
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