The track itself isn't on Sol Niger Within, but there certainly are major influences present in this song. I hope Fredrik does another Special Defects album!
I don't see the problem with how similar this sounds to Holdsworth material. After all, when you are learning any musical genre, it's necessary to make your own works in the style of others. Look at classical composers for example and see how they learned. Do you think that they just sprout forth with masterpieces like Clair de Lune without having learned other masters works? Holdsworth is a master, he deserves to be studied rigorously. I'm tired of Eric Clapton clones, give me Allan and Fredrik
@BooBobly So hard that to date nobody has ever genuinely done so. The very best examples are just providing a likeness and no more. Allan was a one off with his own chord and scale system, and he took the knowledge of that with him to the next world. We can only stand and marvel at what he created.
I don't think most people care either. I think most people who make a big deal out of it are just desperate to show other people that they know who Houldsworth is.
Luke Hultgren influenced by the Most underrated musician, Allan Holdsworth who sadly died broke, Eddie Van Halen was influenced by Holdsworth and even played with him in 85' and was devoured whole by Holdsworth lol I wish EVH could have paid for his funeral. Whatevs, and the world keeps turning.
You broke the cipher! Nine years ago, Mr @z s, by imagining the lead guitar sounds coming out of Fred's mouth you figured out that Fredrik Thordendal's solos on Secrets of the Unknown demo were an ALIEN LANGUAGE!!!! Fredrik was giving us clues, or using subliminal messages through the lead lines that made you think about the sound coming from his mouth. The language of Thordendal's guitar string worshiping species, from the planet... uh, I don't know some far off alien planet, or some exotic moon somewhere. Fred comes from a species who speak with their guitars, he's actually considered a shitty speaker by his fellow aliens standards, he sucks at guitar compared to them, they'd blow you the fuck away if you ever heard their great-and-poweful species' equivalent of say, Buckethead. I know this whole thing i'm doing here is not that funny but I wanted to keep it going more, I just ran out of ideas so I can't. I'm baked and sleep deprived, that's my excuse.
I was gonna say that on Fredrik's home planet they grow another guitar string every decade or so, and fred is still a youngun, and he's a lady, on his planet. Lol IDK, I was also gonna ask if in the 9 years since you discovered the Thordendal alien conspiracy by OPing this comment if aliens had contacted you and like, you know, probed you with a guitar... anally?
@@williamcozart8158 bruh that comment was from like 9 years ago. Im sure I was high then but i forgot this track existed until now. Thanks for the reminder.
Fredrik would be a fool not to do another solo album! This may be just a demo, but imagine more of this gold meticulously written out for a full album!
i love that this video is bringing together all the fusion/metal nerds, and lacks the negativity and ignorance that we all know is so rampant on youtube. thumbs up to all you guys!
Most of this (notes and sound) sound like it was inspired by Holdsworth's Metal Fatigue-are prog rock. We all know (from FT himself, that AH is a major influence, in terms of style - more than a coincidental nod... Its great of course, but frankly, I miss the implied chaos of SNW - which was mind-blowing... This just seems like Frederik phoning in a circa 90's prog album...
Allan Holdsworth and Fredrik Thordendal needs to do a collab together, it'd be out of this world For those who'd doubt, i know it accounts for nothing, but i once saw on Ron Jarzombek's site a pic of him(Ron) along with Allan I know it could turn to reality AND IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN!
Theres been a few times in my life where music came out, and no one ever matched it again. Fred Thordendal's solo career is like that, even Meshuggah somehow pales in comparison. I cant name a single of the big "progressive metal" bands on tour right now who take you this far outside of planet earth. Im referring to bands like Periphery, Born of OSiris, etc not classic prog acts that are still going
This is just one reason why I love the metal scene, the people aren't so closeminded and make music they like, not music that follows the rules. There are no rules.
@mvunit3 Lucky for you, and everyone else, he is releasing another solo album! He's recording it right now. I can't wait!!!!!! It can't get here soon enough.
@EB1089 Yeah I read in Guitar World (i think it was) of an interview with him that he said he was brought up with jazz because his dad listened to it. A lot of people try to over analyze Meshuggah's music by saying they use weird meters and stuff but really their music isn't exactly "musical". They really break the rules of music and do their own thing, its just crazy how it all works out in the end. In my opinion that is true uniqueness, where most bands really suffer from copycat techniques
@mvunit3 No problem, always glad to turn a fellow fan onto good music, new artists, etc. I think he is recording it with 2 different drummers as well. Dirk Verbeuren from Soilwork and I wanna say Morgan Agren again too. I may be wrong, but I think that's right. You can actually read some studio updates from Verbeuren somewhere (google it), where he talks about how he and Fredrik jammed out for hours, just doing improv drum patterns for Fredrik to play on top of. Should be badass. Can't wait!
@suspect157 Chris Poland is no different. He was also hugely influenced by Holdsworth. Chris is an amazing musician when it comes to guitar, especially jazz fusion guitar. So if a guy like Chris Poland with such a distinctive style tone and diversity can't understand theory, I understand why someone equally talented ( like Fredrik ) by all rights would not be able to either. His ears make the sense he is a learner by ear, as am I, as is chris poland. It's a wonderful gift really.
DAMN cool indeed, one of the best live as well with Meshuggah. Anyone heard the solo album by Tosin Abasi? He calls himself Animals as Leaders, pretty awesome stuff
Not true, they can feel it vibrationally through their hands and body. I have played guitar for deaf people and have seen them smile ear to ear when they placed their hands on my acoustic guitar and felt it. Badass shit man!
@suspect157 I guess I can agree, there is tons of stuff I can't still do effectively on guitar, but alot of stuff I can do and understand, mainly because I grew up playing saxophone (alto tenor baritone). Stuff like transposition, and certain time signatures like 5/8 or 12/8 that most folks cant do b/c they don't have the knowledge in music theory. Fredrik at the very least played an instrument other than guitar.
@specialDFX yeah man that negativity shit is everywhere, i love this music soooooo much, awesomely cerebral, perfect, beautiful, complex and mesmorizing!!!
yeah, I mean I'm sure he's studied holdsworth's work extensively. Also holdsworth openly describes the sorts of scales and chords he prefers, and I bet fredrik understands exactly how to recreate his technique. at the same time I find it strange that sometimes fredrik has incredibly simplistic solos, that are like 1 or two notes repeated (especially live) despite that, they still work with meshuggah stuff hehe.
@needlearmor Hell yeah! War Damn Eagle right back at ya! I can't believe theres another Auburn guy that likes Fredrik. My all time favorite band is Meshuggah hands down, and there's not even close 2nd. You dont find many people with such good music taste down on the Plains. Its mostly crappy radio rock and country. Cam 4 Heisman ;-)
@Purkinje90 Actually, Fredrik Thordendal is working on a new solo album. If you search for Fredrik Thordendal on youtube, you will find a channel that has this name : it is his. You'll see that he's in the recording process. What a good news ! Is'nt it ?
