FREEWING F-86 SABRE 80mm EDF JET HANDLING DEMO NARRATIVE 

Thank you Avesh!

Tks for that ....hope it helps to fly yours well..... I assume you have one.

Accept the the CG Point is 170 to 180 in the manual..

Thank you Rhett !! your compliments very appreciated..... cheers

Thank you Mike..... That was 4 years ago there....and I do miss that place! Sabre does not fly much now and is in on my display room floor hangar museum space collecting dust.... Will have to spool it up again soon on Darwin beach this time ..... not as nice as Broome.... and 1000km north of that location where I am living now. Cheers, Louis.

Thankyou for like ! Follow the tips in the video re CG location/TST and have lots of space for takeoff and landing too and everything should be good for you.

Appreciated that ctrcflyin ! Thanks for your support ..... I enjoy flyin that Jet heaps too !

Yes that is correct. Or set your Aileron Reflex with Trailing Edge up 5mm to 7mm above the rest of the wings Trailing Edge.

Thanks for your kind comment HRTS ! Yes the wide open space I was in back then made it easier to handle. Hope all goes well for your 86..... just make sure you fly it off a smooth hard surface with plenty of room around you.

Thank you Sam ! Glad to have helped you there...... Still see on the RC Groups forum that people are still asking for the correct CG of that Model.... which the manual states a little incorrectly more forward than it should be.

buy this plane it is amazing! i have 12 planes, this smashes all of them by x 9000

Thanks JTD ... appreciated your compliment.

Thanks for your thumbs up caddguy6 .... I am located a little further North in Australia now at Darwin NT. All my hangar "museum" collection arrived in boxes about 2 weeks ago and I have yet to recommission the Sabre and looking forward to operations here off sealed R/W at East Point Airfield here. I love this Jet for its classic scale performance, sound and appearance.

Tks CJK..... am in the settle in stage of my relocation move away from where this video was taken so Sabre is still packed away at the moment. Most of the area where I am now is just all grass Fields and not as scenic... however there is a Sealed RC runway setup about 20 minutes away from my new location which will handle this Jet easily as I saw a large scale FA18 Hornet with the Jet Turbine engine fly off it a few years ago. I do fly Scale as the norm..... as I have been flying full size in a Private Pilot role since 1973 and also with Flying since I was an infant and youth with paternal Airline Transport association. So that is where my style originates from. Thank you and I do appreciate your response comment on this video.......... cheers to you..... Louis.

Tks Dave .....During the Week at mid morning low peak tide cycles is the best..... so if you can coordinate some free 2 hours then at those periods would be good to see you for some flying there !

Tks again Scott... wish I was, but location I am in is a little restrictive for that. Cheers and happy flying to you there!

Yes it is ! Thankyou Thomas .

Thanks fpr that !..... appreciated and saw your sunset vid of you F86 too Nice ! and Cheers too to you for the Festive Season soon .... Louis ( HondaJet)

kjetgirl Hey thanks Louis! The Freewing F86 80mm is an awesome plane, love it! Thanks for the seasonal sentiment, Cheers and Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year to you as well! Cheers mate!

Glad you liked it Bruce ...... and was of help to you.

That's good Kurt ! Be sure to follow all the hints re the 200mm CG location and Tail Sit Test on the RC Groups link and all my posting under avatar "Hondajet" under RC groups forum Link here....... www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2065578&page=115#post29715139

kjetgirl Thanks for the advise and ive been reading that thread for a while now.

Thank you Kevin.... I haven't Flown it for a while.... no opportunity... now sitting in my hangar on display still flight ready and periodically checked. cheers Louis

It's definitely not a "Flying Brick" Kevin with it's scale size, wing loading and perhaps a little more camber designed into it's shape than the full size. You can take it as high up as you dare and dead cut the EDF Turbine and just glide it for a minute or so to extend your flight times too. However, it is not a model you can land without power safely without managing your approach airspeed carefully a little higher than required. So fly it on like the real thing and keep a 10 to 20 percent power on as required in landing configuration with Flaps in your flare to land and touchdown . It also handles take off and landing best on hard smooth surfaces with a relatively obstacle free take off and landing approach path. Rough grass fields will stress your U/C Retract mountings and sometimes dislodge them.

Kelvin .... apology for typo

@@kjetgirl Excellent! Thanks for the added info. With these older warbirds, esp. the early EDFs, our current EDF tech can be overpowered (thus the "flying brick" aspect). The scale application can be a bit tricky, but I definitely get what you mean about the 10 to 20% throttle on approach in order to have a good flare. I noticed that in the video. It does look a bit too fast to try a hand catch so I'm glad we have a good paved flight line set-up. Thanks for the note about the landing gear! I did notice something just a bit unusual with the gear, but not quite sure what it is. I'll keep your words of wisdom in my field kit. 😉

@@kjetgirl No problem, mate!

Yes...Just keep the speed up with correct approach nose slightly high profile with power on and with a good run in a power controlled and stable constant descent in landing configuration till you touch down....thank you for your like DW ! cheers....

Yes that Aileron setting is known a Aileron Reflex and does make the span area of the outer wing stall well after the inner section nearer the wing root which will stall first. Thus you have more control with aileron input to keep your wings level at lower speeds and higher Angles of Attack and Pitch attitude of the Fuselage. All this is controllable of course until you enter the fully developed stall of the rest of the Wing aside from the area affected by that Aileron Reflex ...... where you will still have some measure of control with Rudder mix added in your Tx program, to recover from the stall before it results in a wing drop away and spin. Yes use my settings and the Tail Sit Test as demonstrated. I use the same balance TST on the FMS Red Arrows BAe Hawk which flies the same way as the F86 in this video of mine too ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-71DmgP8vwt8.html being able to hold the nose wheel off in the landing and take off sequences. Not all Jet models are able to do this TST though because of their aerodynamic design and the position of their main Landing Gear.

Thank you for the information. Happy flying!

No to the contrary.... that is the idea.... at Stall Speeds the outer section of the Wing ahead of the Aileron at its Reflex setting has a Lower Angle of Attack to the Rest of the Stalled wing , so is still generating Lift when the rest of the Wing is getting less lift near the Stall Airspeed. It applies to any Aerofoil.... so yes Mustang too for better stable slow flying and also less drag in the cruise Straight and Level.

No sure, but some of the flying wings have some aileron reflex. It could have something to do with the amount of swept back of the wings. It could act like wing tip wash out preventing wing tip stalls allowing the main part of the wing to stall first. Either way I am not sure. I will read up on the subject.

Try taking it up very high too and just let it glide down gradually with power off... can extend your battery time during your sortie if you incorporate that in your routine.

Happy to know it assisted you Jeff....... cheers Louis

jeff orchard Well it's like that in "heaven" isn't Jeff.... LOL too ! I also have that Mirage in the Inrunner version as my next step up when I eventually get down to it and find the space to fly it..... unfortunately not here where I am located til next year...... cheers Louis

and you mean Freewing F86 ...cant find a Flightline one? and my battery sits above the ESC position rearward.... I may have lowered it...it is that long ago.... have forgotten what I did or was it in that position already with their models produced in 2014?

sorri that was meant for Harry Rockwell... latest comment today

Intrinsically Bruce ! My father was a Commercial Airline Captain in the 1950's flying finally Vickers Viscounts and I was born into it then. From then I grew up in a General Aviation environment in Australia wit him. I have been in some way associated with aircraft and flying ever since and have been flying privately full size since 1973 and still current.

Thank you for your kind compliments Mike...and All the best to you too over there !

No.... Those were added by me !

@@kjetgirl PLANNING TO DO THE SAME ANY SUGGESTION TO HLP AND AVOID DAMAGE?

I added the lights as a project with some scale detail using some HobbyKing kits for them and in my hobby spares parts collection at home. Just have to take the 5V off any spare receiver channel you have or your bind plug port. Flashing circuits are supplied with the Light add on kits from HK. If you add your own bright white leds to the 5V for the Nosewheel landing Leds as I have done you will have to solder in some 150 to160 ohm resistors on one of the leads to the LED light in series otherwise you will fuse blow the leds with the current from the 5V receiver supply to you LED. Let me know if you want more help and I will give you my email address for more direct contact on this model and share some photos on it etc.

jeff orchard Tks Jeff !

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Yes .... it would be flyable at manual CG..... though stated 200mm CG combined with TST has been used quite commonly by RC Groups forum thread members for this model with easy and stable handling characteristics reported.

@@kjetgirl i will experiment with bringing the battery back gradually

Thanks for your interest and reply Todd...... yes, but all speed is relative though in the scheme of things in any vehicle..... something to do with Einstein and the Theory of Relativity. Any Extraterrestrial , if they exist and their more intelligent Time Warp travel would think our 8 months to travel to Mars with our current space travel technology would be stone age to them at their rate of perhaps say one earth day to travel that same distance for them. It was fast jet then, for that era and those 50's Top Guns too..... cheers and best wishes to you.

+Todd Bennett Do you know what 'Scale' means?

Suppose you have got to take the good with the bad in this game..... however troll negative comments like yours are obnoxious! and so stated here for all the past contributors to this list to see as well .

+kjetgirl Hey, I liked the narration. Keep at 'er! Appreciate the video.

Thanks Steven !....... regards Louis