What what what!!??? "the french military is still considered one of the most powerful in the world despite its limited experience" Limited experience ? Come on guys! open your history book, look what append in the world during the last 40 years. Ok, it's a little country, but come on .. limited experience (¬_¬ )
@@jetaddicted since 1797 napoleon had the most powerful army in the world as well as a record of victories against several countries at the same time! then your last 2000 years put them or you know🤣
Oh and if you pay attention, not only France has a top notch Main Battle Tank, it also has a top notch fighter jet (Dassault Rafale) and à top notch artillery (CEASAR), a top notch 21st century aircraft carrier (France being THE only western country with a nuke powered one besides US), a top notch fleet of nuclear submarine and his the home of one of the best unit in the world (FFL). All that while armchair generals and Lindy Beige kept bashing France 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"despite its limited experience" wtf ? If France has limited experience, can you list countries that has more experience please ? I'd be curious to know
Did you forgot the Ardennes ? Germany just walked casually inside France I think that's what they meant anyways France is just like Italy Both of their military isn't really anything to look at as with most European countries except Germany and Britain
@@venatorclass9334 You are quite wrong about that, France ranks ahead of Germany and the UK as the 7th world military power in the world and it has been the only country to deploy troops on its own in several countries such as Mali, Ivory Coast the central african republic. Sure those are anti-terrorist operations in africa but the logistics capabilities needed to fight a long time insurgency and maintain thousands of troops in the middle of the saharan desert is quite challenging for a country that is not the US.
@@gabilax2745 Anyone can do that actually China and Japan can do it have you seen their new amphibious assault ships ? Type 075 LHD and Izumo class helicopter destroyers ? not including auxiliary transports ?
@@Zetler LOOOOL we don't have any reason to be scared by such a pathetic dictator with an even more pathetic army 🤣🤣🤣 oh and by the way, France, being the first European armed force, has the power to turn most of inhabited Russia into a nuclear bleakness and the russian Army couldn't prevent it if such an order was given
This thing holds the record of the longest target hit at camp canjuers with 2 confirmed hit on 6 attempts at 3695 meters last record holder was a russian tank at 3400 meters.
@CSO Class Supercarrier Halo The Fall Of Reach I don't like having conversations with the mentally impaired, because as they say "you can't fix stupid". If you're open to learning something today then search "The longest tank-to-tank kill was fired from three miles away." If not, don't bother, but whatever you do, just make sure you don't trouble me again. Good day.
" The french military is still considered one of the most powerful in the world despite its limited experience" How can an american who lives in a country that is 200 years old dare to say that .... France has literally 1500 years of military experience wtf.... If we take the example of the tank, France is the pioneer (with England) of the invention of the tank with the creation of the first French tank "Schneider", and the first country to have created the modern turret with the FT-17, I could cite many other examples...
And the first tanks and combat planes in the US Army and US Air Force were French for a part of them. Allright then, US Hollywood Army said they are the best in the world and they won against aliens since 70 years !
@@To.Si.Ma. Your memory is selective, don't remember Libya 2011 ? Btw, underestimating an army is very good for her efficiency the day you will face her assumed weakness...
@@To.Si.Ma. Without France, you drink tea at 4 pm. All France don't surrender, just Metropolitan. Remember one thing, less than 30 years ago, 1.4 million French soldiers died defending the Fatherland for 4 years (yeah because we didn't wait until 1917 to get off our ass). With the wounded, no less than 15% of the entire French population was affected by the war. And it has a huge impact on a country. In France, everyone has the name of a member of their family on a war memorial present in every town and village. Moreover, in 40, it would undoubtedly have been different if the English had not left without warning the French and the Belgians.. In Algeria, in 1962 it ended 8 years of war with 25,000 dead and 62,000 wounded, in 1954 we lost Indochina after 7 and a half years of war and nearly 22,000 dead and 65,000 wounded. We must stop thinking that France does not know how to fight. American military history is not a success either, eh.. I served alongside Americans in Afghanistan, very quickly they stopped being smug with us. In France, we know the price of war, it is in our History, whether it is victorious or not. We owe a lot to the US, but you tend to forget what you owe us.
NEW LECLERC XLR IS FOR ME NOW THE WORLD BEST TANK FACING ABRAMS CHALLENGER 2 LEOPARD 2 PUMA MERKAVA T14 ARMATA.. ANYWAY IT WON MANY TIMES OTHER WESTERN TANKS IN COMPETITIONS....
@@donarthiazi2443 Most importantly Armata is not produced in great numbers and never will as it relied on French exports for their electronics and their optics
Le meilleur char du monde, une bête de guerre, le plus précis en tir au but en mouvement, mais il coûte très cher, et son entretien est difficile et demande l'intervention de gens hautement spécialisés. Il n'y a bien que les émirats arabes unis et la Jordanie qui peuvent se payer le luxe d'avoir des chars Leclerc. l'Autre gros problème avec le Leclerc, c'est que son développement à l'époque a pris beaucoup de temps (et d'argent) et lorsqu'il est arrivé sur le marché; les places étaient déjà prises par le Léopard 2, certes moins moderne, mais lui il était disponible au bon moment, quand beaucoup de pays avaient besoin d'un char de nouvelle génération. C'est exactement la même chose qui est arrivée au Rafale de chez Dassault, pendant des années c'était la maladie de la France; il y avait des projets formidables et ambitieux, mais pas les budgets suffisants pour un développement dans les temps. La France ce n'est pas les USA.
Well that would be true if Saudi Arabia had Leclerc tanks, which is not the case. UAE and Jordan have them, they're not the same as Saudi Arabia even if they are in the same region...
"the french military is still considered one of the most powerful in the word, despite its limited experience...." lol....yes that's why the French have the world record for battles won, and have the world record in terms of military conflicts over the last 1000 years!....only a few years ago the French deployed a complete army in Mali with incredible success and formidable efficiency...is that the lack of experience you are talking about? ....pffff please learn the history before you say things like that!
you forget a lot of ammunition, like the smart POLYNEGE ammunition with a range of 8,000 meters, just shoot over a hill or a forest, and it is the ammunition that seeks the target: Combat ammunition: - The arrow ammunition OFL 120 F1-A (joint development France / Germany under the name of LKE1 / DM43) is used for the destruction of heavily armored vehicles. It has a tungsten penetrator. Its mass is 20.5 kg for a total length of 0.984m The projectile weighs 7.3 kg for a range of 4000 meters. Initial speed of 1790 m / s. - The multipurpose ammunition OECC 120 F1 (light armor, personnel, fortifications) hollow charge. Its mass is 24.3 kg for a total length of 0.984 m. The projectile weighs 14.4 kg for a range of 3000 meters. Initial speed of 1100 m/s. - The explosive ammunition OE 120 G1 (troops, non-armored vehicles) with a uranium penetrator. It weighs 25.5 kg for a length of 0.984 m. It weighs 15.5 kg for a range of less than 4000 meters. Initial speed of 1000 m/s. Practice ammunition for shooting: - The OFLX 120 G ammunition simulates an arrow ammunition. It would weigh around 18 kg for a length of 0.9 m. The projectile would have a mass of 6 kg for a range of 2500 meters and an initial speed of 1750 m/s. - The BSCC 120 F1 ammunition simulates a shaped charge. It weighs 24.3 kg, for a length of 0.984 m, contains a projectile of 14.4 kg and an initial speed of 1100 m/s. Handling ammunition: - OFL 120 F1 inert arrow ammunition similar in all respects to the OFL 120 F1-A. - OECC 120 F1 inert multipurpose ammunition similar to the OECC 120 F1 ammunition.
@@hermes6910 yep they accelerated the process thanks to the Nazis invading Ukraine. It is ongoing as we speak thanks to Putin. The documents about it hit my desk in the last meeting, prove them wrong i am not allowed to give out my information. But you seem to be in the loop more than me so show me.
the Leclerc Scorpion XLR (Block II) main battle tank could do with a raised suspension setup featuring a heavy duty 5.0 in. suspension lift for enhanced off roadability across rough terrain . . . the Leclerc Scorpion XLR (Block II) main battle tank won't feature the forward turret 0.50 Cal co-axial gun anymore since it's an obsolete weapon system & no longer tactically relevant in modern day warfare . . . instead it'll be armed with a turret top mounted 25 MM GAU-12/U six-barrel rotary cannon or a 13.4 MM HMG slaved to a 360° deg rotating remote weapons station . . .
Why isn’t the Leclerc more exported? I think only Saudi Arabia, Romania and soon India have some? From US sources it’s a good tank ( For them to say that about anything French, it has to be good). Enlighten me please!
@@vaindioux from what I heard, the Leclerc arrived too late. Most countries were already equipped with something else (mainly Leopards in Europe) and as there was no large conflicts requiring top tier MBT, nobody was interested in buying the most expensive one.
It seems that every main battle tank made by every major country is among the best. What does that even mean, given that few of them have been tested in actual battle.
It means that a MBT or an Airforce fighter is the flag symbole of a country, o it's more of about propaganda. But you can have a better advice by consulting serious military forum from each concerned country which, obviously for all complex topics, will take more time than watching YT videos.
France has 2000 years of military experience. What you are talking about France has limited military experience?. Wate Napoleon Bonaparte. emperor of France. Would say about that? According to historian Neil Ferguson France is the most successful military power in history. It's participated in 50 of the 125 major European wars that have been fought since 1495 more than any other European state. the first major recorded war in the territory of modern-day France. It revolves around the gallo Romain conflict that predominated from 60 BC to 50 BC,
All the bragging about Challenger II and Leopard 2 tanks and here's an overlooked gem that easily equals them in combat in the battlefield. Bravo to the French for making it completely on their own soil. And if Macron wants to save face after being globally humiliated in his attempt at peace talks with Putin (who had no intention of offering peace for Ukraine), then France should absolutely give its Leclerc main battle tanks to Ukrainian forces and sit back and watch the masterpiece theatre of how it fares against Russian forces in the field.
What France should give its Leclerc tanks to Ukraine and remains defenceless? You must be joking. Forget it! France has not at the moment a sufficient number of tanks to give to Ukraine. The French authorities know this and only procrastinate.
@@francinesicard464 defenceless ? I get the need to have MBTs in order to train and attack but France is not about to attack, and who would attack France ? And from where ? Europe ? The sea ? In both case the mere idea is ridiculous. We don't need them to defend ourselves. We could give some and order more for example. I know it's easy to say, but doing nothing is easier and brings less results.
We cant give them. For NATO standard, France engaged herself to have 2 Heavy Armoured Division and for this, we need nearly 200 MBT. If we gave any MBT, France wasn't in the Standard
What is in a potential field battle the expected active time of a tank if he is facing modern Helicopter cavalry division, not even going into close combat in cities where they are taken down by man carried guns, not even going into how fast drones would take them down anywhere they'd be. Great achievement of developing such technology for an obsolete machine. However for the joke I always remember what my now deceased pal used to say:" As commandos (Trepel) we are trained to fight a tank invasion by trenching and throw explosives at them when they pass but in reality when you ear those 60 ton plus machines coming at you at 50 mph the roar and vibrations plus them having their 12.7 ready to shoot tells you just lay low and pray...
France has.... 200 Leclerc tanks. And they stooped producing it like 10 years ago. Know you know why Ukraine probably won't have that Tank, but they'll have Léopard 2 wich in the A5 version is similar (bit better protected, bit less agile, no autoloader).
French army : 222 tanks in service. About 40 tanks in active reserve (ready to go). 150 others for spare parts. United Arabs Emirates Army : 400 hundred units, some given to the Jordan Army.
@@Tony-mu5lc nah, we have (i'm french too) 150 ready to combat tanks, 70 on maintenance, and enhancement. And 200 on stock version, not equipped with the latest kits.
@@Funktastic_Ed I never said that the 200 tanks in storage had the XLR standard, I just said there is 406 tanks in total, but 200 are in storage (184 exactly) Doesn't matter if there is 70 in maintenance, is still 220 tanks (222 exactly) potentially operational. they don't stay in maintenance for years.
i hate french bashing retreat jokes over there revolution jokes too french suck at war although who do you think who has credited 1st of war victory count and only lose ww2 also who help the british escaping dunkirk (no i mean forced to protect the british evading because racism against the frogs) making french soldier taking prisonners who has help american to become independent under the reign of louis XVI, providing weapons yeah yeah we can laugh about the maginot line and retreat jokes we only retreated once in ww2 this french bashing is just because we didn't follow the americains for the golf war now look whos got a good modern tank that can be equal at this cheap m1 abrams that everyones know
I was disappointed when the narrator didn't mention the addition of an Active Protection System similar to the "Arena" or "Trophy" systems on the Leclerc. An APS is essential in todays battlefield, IMO. It's certainly been helpful to the Israeli Merkava recently. The GALIX system is impressive, but it wasn't made clear if it was effective jamming specialized anti-armor drones like the Russian ZALA "Lancet".
It does not weigh 57,000 KILOGRAMS! No way. The heaviest Abrams with depleted uranium armor packed ready to rock and roll is almost 77,000 pounds. But you are telling us the updated LeClerc with same armor package as before update is going to weigh over 125,000 pounds? It won’t be able to move anywhere but a runway. The French tank is one of the top best tanks. But if France needs a tank, they are going to need more than 200. Well, they might invade Luxembourg. And I’m not even going to mention a third of your video is Leopard tanks mixed in.
And that's why american education is dogs% from the start still learning pounds and mixing everything instead of using the French metric system when all of the world did...
@@ommsterlitz1805 Is that why students from literally every country in the world except perhaps North Korea pour into the United States by the *millions* every single year to study on every educational level? And yes, I know i know... "it's because... blah blah blah"... people ALWAYS find tons of ridiculous reasons to explain this. 🙄 And btw it's not so hard to learn both systems of measurement.... pretty easy in fact.
@@donarthiazi2443 Indeed the USA have a lower standard of education than East Asians, and western and eastern European countries and it shows everyday as it's certain these people don't receive an Harvard type of education, far, far from it.
That's the idea behind the future tank agreement between France and Germany. It will be up to the other European nations to decide if they want to buy it then. In the meantime, the less nations that work on the project, the better. Like this it won't be plagued by inexperienced armies requesting unrealistic characteristics to the vehicle, and let Germany and France do what they do best.
@@johansmifthelry9307 But Germany is the europeen Otan's brain part Germany get the industry, France get sensitive technology's experience and the let France lead strategic projects has the Scaf is just impossible for them.
No, all countries have to specialize on a few vehicles/equipments and other countries would buy them. Making all countries requirement fountains would be a Big waste of time and monney. Even with only 2 countries it is already a true nightmare... My Experience as a senior project manager
France has been in constant war before any country in North American continent was even created....If thats the definition of limited experienced in warfare...🤔🤔🤔🤔😁😁😁😁😁😁🙄.
@@Anne_Patel No… I don’t think you understand. Currently Russia is sending a bunch of conscripts and only a handful of elites meaning you’d be throwing the best of western tech at mostly relicts from the Cold War. Although, it would be quite effective as first there will inevitably be loses meaning the Russians could capture an example of prime western tech. It could allow them to reverse engineer one and you’d have to fight a similar tank to this Leclerc. Not to mention, unlike the ATGMs we are giving Ukraine the Leclerc costs significantly more. I believe the figure was somewhere around 6-7 million a piece. So, realistically unless Ukraine wants to buy it from GIAT there is no way in hell you are getting them for free! It would also be more of a nuisance for Ukrainian tankers bc the Leclerc is very different from the T-72 and other soviet tanks meaning they would all need to be re-trained for it which is very time and resource consuming. It also does not guarantee that these tankers will be effective in battle as they may not have enough time to get fully familiar with the capabilities of the tank thus giving it a higher chance of being destroyed. There are several more factors that I can think of off the top of my head but I think you get the idea of where I’m going with this. You definitely need to look at things more objectively and consider the big picture rather than the small minor details especially for a conflict as large as this. With regards to your comment about me being a “Putin lover,” I could argue that your lack of deep analysis into the issues the Ukraine military faces in terms of procurement and your hasty and not well thought out request to simply give Ukraine a new Leclerc for free shows that you don’t actually care enough about Ukraine and their situation which I could interpret as you being a Putin lover. It’s really funny how black and white you think the situation is. Just because I don’t want valuable technology to be given to Ukraine you think I side with Putin??? No, you idiot. I just don’t want the rest of Europe to be run over with reverse engineered Russian tanks or new weapons that exploit the weaknesses of the French MBT. Now stop asking for every new military hardware to be given to Ukraine!
@@lordcutlerbeckett4379 Stupid, unfounded arguments. Yeah, you're a Putin lover! An dont bother responding with another essay. I have better things to do than read your dribble!
Having a huge EEZ (second largest after the US), France should focus most of its budget towards the navy. Richelieu and Cobert understood that. But kings such as Louis XIV kept pushing for an always growing army. For what result? A few square miles on the northern and eastern borders. An exhausted nation at the end of the Napoleonic wars; generations dead and a population collapse during the XIXth Century. Since Germany is now rearming, they can become a buffer so France should take advantage of the new situation and go full navy.
La France à 200 chars en stock qui on servi de pièces de rechange elle peut les remettre en service le problème il faut entièrement les remettre à niveau et celui-ci coûte plusieurs centaines de millions Euro car la totalité des chars Leclerc est de 400 unité mais aujourd'hui la moitié ne sont pas du tout rénové donc si la France donne des char Leclerc à l'Ukraine elle faut qu'elle remettre à niveau 200 unité
On ne donnera jamais de Leclercs à l'Ukraine, elle devra se contenter des AMX 10 rc et bientôt des EBRC Panhard, si les ukrainiens ne sont pas contents, il n'ont qu'à signer l'armistice avec les russes.
French army have low experience ? France is always fighting since 60 years, one of the most experimented army in the world. T-14 4 th generation ? His engine is a copy of the tiger P, WWII technology, and still doen t work, his optics are made by nexter ( the nexter who buils Leclerc ), T-14 is a not existing 2.5 generation.
Why doesn't a country the size of France maintain more tanks? Britain is the same way. Maybe it's because if they really did have to get in a war against a peer or near peer state, that state would have nukes, anyway. So, essentially the small tank force is for use against third world countries that France might fight in conjunction with NATO allies. And if fighting a bush war in Africa, they don't even use tanks. That is my theory. But... this approach did not foresee the need for a lot more tanks and other goodies to give to allies in a proxy war, such as Ukraine.
La france ?? Une "expérience limitée" de la guerre ?? ... Un pays qui a eu les 2 guerres mondiales sur son sol ? ... Qui a mis au point des innovations au niveau des chars qui ont été reprises par tous les pays ? .. . Les techniques militaires et l'organisation militaire développée par Napoléon est toujours utilisée aujourd'hui par toutes les armées du monde .... La plupart des termes militaires pour désigner du matériel militaire, etc ... Sont des mots français ... Par exemple, la baïonnette est une invention française ... Un autre "detail" ... La france est le pays au monde qui a le plus de fuseaux horaires et la plus grande surface maritime au monde ... Pourquoi ?? ....parce que c'est ce qui lui reste d'un vaste empire qui était sur toute la surface du globe, dont une grande partie de l'Amérique du nord ... Et même aujourd'hui avec ce qui lui reste de cet empire, c'est toujours un pays sur lequel le soleil ne se couche jamais !! .... Et vous croyez qu'ils ont eu cet empire comment ?? .... Si ce n'est pas en combattant pendant des siècles ?? ... Et qui à aider à la formation des états unis ? Quel pays a reconnu en premier les etats unis comme un état souverain et Indépendant, forçant tous les autres à faire pareil ? .... La france ... Qui est un pays qui a toujours connu la guerre à cause de sa position géographique en europe ... Et qui a dû innover et s'adapter pour survivre et même renaître tout au long des siècles ... Alors non ... La france n'a pas une expérience limitée de la guerre, et ce n'est pas un sujet de fierté, c'est une triste constatation, c'est l'histoire, qui a façonné ce pays dans la guerre et dans le sang ...
The AZUR kit (already in WT) is fairly similar to this if I'm not mistaken. Besides, the last thing France needs is another Leclerc with negligible differences to its counterparts.
It's a fact vladbot@@ommsterlitz1805 A Challenger 1. with the call-sign 11B fired at an Iraqi main battle tank (T-55A) from a distance of more than 5,100 meters - just above three miles - with an armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding-sabot round, the longest tank-on-tank kill ever. So it is you Vlad that should STFU! #idiot
Il y a un truc que je ne comprends pas vous dites qu'il peut monter des côtes a 60/100 mais pour les descendre c'est 30/100 alors il est vraiment con se char si il ne peut pas descendre d'où il est monté ça va pas être pratique
Au cas où tu n’en l’aurais pas remarquer, il y a un canon à l’avant. On le lève dans les descentes prononcée, mais il ne peut pas monter au delà d’un certain angle.
Perhaps you should be a bit more careful when posting critical comments? It is incorrect to use _your_ instead of _you're._ There is no such word as _mispronunciating._ Had you correctly used _mispronouncing_ then that would still be wrong in this particular case. 🤭🤭
”Expérience limité ”,vous me faites rires les américains ! Sachez messieurs que la France reste (et de loin),le pays qui a gagné le plus de bataille au monde,rendez à ”ceasar”ce qui appartient à césar.
Come on … the « limited experience » this guy is talking about is about that tank in fight … not the french army in general ! Soyez pas aussi idiot qu’eux !
@@stefanrouyer3431 is the challenger really combat proven after oman. I mean what did they fought against? . One was destroyed too friendly fire, one too an ied and one got damage from an rpg that penetrated the the frontal lower hull. I dont know if they where used like the turks did with the 2A4s but those got destroyed from more powerfull atgms not ieds or rpgs. Many western tanks can kill multiple old t72 without nightvision in nightcombat. The leclerc couldnt resist an atgm in yemen either. Where did they fight modern tanks?
The longest combat kill still goes to Challenger. This upgrade is not that impressive... same gun, same power pack, only second generation thermal sights and no active protection. Challenger 3 is getting a new gun, upgraded power pack, upgraded suspension, automatic target detection and tracking, active protection system. This French upgrade is similar to the proposed Challenger Black Knight upgrade that was rejected . Instead Challenger 3 will get a new up armoured turret with the German L55A1 gun. This upgrade is obviously a money saving place holder for a new tank...
Ehm all 16 prototypes have trouble with both the electronics and mechanical engineering. You should learn how to read you might actually be able to access facts.
Obviously, you don't know anything about MBT combat, otherwise you would know the importance of reverse gears. And you jumped at the chance to do primary French bashing, Pathethics...
@@backtotheblak pathetic is to be insulated by jokes so much as to write down a boring long-read lecture about morality that I didn't ask. I don't need your assistance, White Knight. Go find your lemming brothers
