FRENCH & OCCITAN (Langues d'oïl & Lenga d'òc) 

Yeah, French constitution doesnt allow for multiple official languages

E graças à língua occitana, a língua portuguesa herdou a ortografia e muitas palavras. Também é interessante como as duas línguas tem boa inteligibilidade, principalmente com a variante aranesa.

i don't think the albigensian crusade was that big of a blow, it was in the early 13th century and french didn't start gaining prestige in the south until the 15th century at least

isn't it napoleon the one who tried to reinforce a sense of nationalism by imposing french as THE language to be thought and spoke ? that's what i've been told at least

@@panareasy6749 i don't think so, not yet. Imposition of french mostly dates to the 3rd republic/ferry schools, although the government had been planning for it since the revolution One thing people don't realize is that french was only imposed on the children, which made resistance impossible (adults virtually never comply to their mother tongue being forbidden)

I'm Venetian and Occitan is my fav Romance language, probably. So good to my ears...

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Sounds like the Spanish of France!!!

It sounds better than french 😭

Occitan sounds great! As an Italian I understand it pretty good.

Ai tamben pensi ma pòdi pau acapir emb la lenga franca. (Oui, je aussi pense mais, je peux comprendre un peu avec le francais.)

Yes Occitan is a beautiful language just like Catalan.

C'est un dialecte du latin

The definition and the differences between language and dialect comes down more to nationalist sentiments and other topics such as politics and pride more than philology itself. It's a shame people try to degrade one's tongue by calling it a dialect; i'd rather treat them all as equals. Romances languages all seem to me like dialects compared to some "dialects" inside the broad german speaking areas. (just to name an example)

linguisticaly a dialect and a language is the same things

Verdade

Portuguese too

Si è vero

near Catalan

not a mix, a normal natural independent language

The pronounciation of òc "should" be said ou (except in the Gascon language.)

I love it! It's very pleasing to my ears.

I’m proud of you 👍🏻

And Aragonés is the link from your language to Castilian, unfortunately also quite an endangered language.

​@@wyqtorTrue. And beyond Castilian, the continuum goes on to Asturian/Leonese, Galician and Portuguese. Latin languages are truly one big family

​@@osasunaitorLatin being the grandmother, valete omnes

Your comment brings out the cynic in me. I get the earlier idea that to master a language you had to put your own region or town's variations away, but some of the whole hypercorrection and other stuff just doesn't make sense. Particularly, when you hear people say "oh, they say the words wrong," or "it's actually said this way." If there is genuinely a hiccup, okay, but the idea that people out there believe that parisian french or london english or whatever is actually the real french or english that if you don't speak like the northerners perfectly, you somehow don't speak the language, is super irritating and seems so old fashioned and even slightly uneducated in itself ironically. It's like for some reason, everyone just forgot that the grandparents and everyone before mastered both. Successful lives were had. Particularly when it comes to European stuff, the idea that the linguistic differences somehow all fall under the same umbrella of "wrong" this or that is just from a lack of education as if kingdoms and tribal movements and human movement didn't happen. Even calling it a patois doesn't seem to do it justice. If you got this far, thanks for listening.

Je suis Québécois et mon ancêtre, arrivé au pays en 1665, venait du Limousin, près de Limoges. Je me suis toujours demandé comment il parlait, à quoi ressemblait le dialecte parlé dans sa région.

Sauf que le limousin parlé à limoges n' a que peux de choses à voir avec l'occitan officiel, qui est un occitan toulousain

French occitan Catalan branch Gallo romance

well alot things in catalan and some occitan are close to iberian than galo, there are no line like french vs spanish. Grammar are very diferent in every languages.

@@kame9 Catalan grammar is more similar to Italian than to Spanish and Portuguese. Particularily with conditionals and pronouns.

@@stephanedumas8329 Also the Northern Italian 'dialects' and probably Aragonese. They could be considered their separate branch though, Occitano-Romance. It could have more sense.

Catalan is a mix between occitan and spanish

As a french from south of France, i agree with you, because politics destroyed our local language and now nobody speaks it anymore. My grandma spoke it but she s not alive anymore to learn me. Such a tragedy that we lost our native local language...

The same thing is happening in the netherlands with low saxon and limburgish. Such a shame

La lengua d’oc es más parecido a todas las lenguas romances. Con el Oïl no hay continuum

After you make Catalan the official language of Spain 😉

@@தமிழோன் Catalan is official in Spain according its Constitution. The difference is Castilian is the common Language

🤣 A occitan person

funny thing is i could understand everything that was written in Occitan too and im french, but i find it harder to understand catal and spanish

I agree

This is my first time being exposed to the Occitan language too

In spoken: sounds like Portuguese like Latin In written: looks like Franco-Spanish

I heard that the "nh" and "lh" sound in Portuguese comes from occitan influence

Exactly

Same thing where I used to live, in the Hautes-Pyrénées and in Béarn. It's easier to find people speaking Japanese or Korean than people speaking Gascon. When I speak Gascon with my children, people think I speak Spanish or Portuguese...

Hi, I am french too, and I come from south west of france near Toulouse, and I think it is very unfortunate to see that occitan is an endangered language, it is funny because in Toulouse, the streets name and other informations are often still written in occitan but I can see that nobody speaks this language anymore, and it will be difficult to change that because even at school occitan is not teached anymore because we do not have occitan teachers, they are all gone 😅. I think the only things we still have from occitan is the accent, some expressions and our symbol, and this is sad.

la bataille contre les langues régionales en France n'a commencé qu'à la seconde moitié du XIXeme siècle. L'une des pires décisions politiques de l'histoire Française. Je dirais la pire en faite. C'est un génocide linguistique. Comment peut on faire une telle chose ? À quoi pensaient ils ?

you should join some groups to practice or maybe go to one of the non-france occitanophone regions like Aran and the Valadas or maybe join our discord...

Tu dis que tu comprends le provençal rhodanien tu est dans quelle ville car j'habite à Bagnols sur Cèze (Bagnòu de Cèze) et ce n'est plus parler depuis pas mal de temps à part sur le panneau d'entrée de la ville j'y est plus entendu du néerlandais, de l'allemand, du russe, de l'ukrainien, de l'italien et de l'arabe voir de l'espagnol et de l'anglais que du provençal rhodanien.

Nuòstre Ver idioma es un substratu ligure. Eraven en Liguria IX en antiga epoca. Non occitan.. Nuòstra lenga es plu arcaica latina. Ligure de Ponente , fraire dòou Piemonteis, un pò sardo aisi. Aisi una co esistansa ambè l'italian. L'occitan theoria es vengut ambè l'anession fransesa ambè lo mistral. Lo mistral es una farsa . Aisi aven i al plural, non S.

@@Nissardpertugiu Que ensajatz-vos de dire?

@@AllanLimosin Ahùra basta de faire totta lenga dela costa en vuòstra " Venghe de l'ossitan ". La lenga Nissarda es dei liguri e dòu latin. Non conoisses " provensal e Nissart son estat tugiu coma can e cat ?".

@@AllanLimosin Provensal e ossitan fuòra !

@@Nissardpertugiu Lo Niçard venga pas dau Ligure venga dau Latin popular e Provençau amb influencias minoras dau Ligure. Dire que lo Niçart venga dau Ligure es absurde e degun a dit que lo Niçart venga de “l'occitan” solament es una classificacion linguistica.

Sètz un locutor natiu ?

Which dialect is it in this video

@@attieke1642 lengadocian

I remember reading that medieval French was actually phonetic and I watched a video called "Le Chanson de Roland" which was on this channel. There were two voice readers and one of them sounded a lot like this reader. When he spoke his pronunciation of the French of that time sounded a lot like Occitan. I'm wondering if the Oil and Oc languages were much closer in pronunciation back then.

@@joshuabradshaw9120 All romance languages were.

​@@joshuabradshaw9120They were.

Le Marchois est une langue de transition, certe, mais elle reste plus ou moins compliqué à comprendre pour une personne qui ne parle que le Français. Je parle Limousin et Marchois à faible niveau, et dois dire que ces parlers ont des caractéristiques qui font barrière à la compréhension dû au fait que chaqu'un ont évolué, surtout le Français. Là où on peut rencontrer le plus de difficulté est dans la phonologie, qui varie par des accents géographiques, par substrat avec le Français et par la tranche d'âge.

i agree, i think everyone in greater occitania should know occitan it would allow us for easier intercomprehension with our neighbors

@@wordart_guian That's literally the whole sad bit too about the old school idea that you somehow can't handle knowing multiple languages or variations (and then at the same time were considered international if you were bilingual in something completely different). By shoving the differences under the rug, you limit yourself so much and a whole chunk of history and just life seems to disappear.

you mean the pronunciation of French ( Langues d'oïl ) xD?

the thing is that french is a dialect from another language called langue d'oil

It would definitely be easier that way for us non-French Romance speakers.

On n'a pas toujours ce que l'on veut...

seemingly from what i've read on the rock they speak monegasco, but in the lower city some also speak occitan

In the past, even french sounded more like spanish ;)

@@pipoulapiquette7804 No.

It's the other way around. France was massive, it influenced its neighbours. catalan comes from Langues d'OC. Both Langues d'Oc and langues d'Oil are French languages.

@@wertyuiopasd6281 Catalan comes from Latin, not from Langues d'Oc

@@wertyuiopasd6281 nope, lenga d'òc (quit saying langue every time) is not french in any way

Quò és Nòstre Pair en Lemosin: Nòstre pair que setz dins los ciaus Que vòstre nom sia regraciat Que vòstre volontat sia facha Sus la terra coma dins los ciaus Balhatz-nos aüei nòstre pan jornadier Perdonatz-nos nòstres pechats Eschivatz-nos, si'us platz, las temptacions E gardatz-nos dau mau Entau sia.

Thanks you a for this nice compliment. But I'm French and of course, I speak French, but I don't sing like nightingale birds, not really..I sing like...very bad...maybe like a crow but worse.😟😉

Well it is a royal language 😅 also a people's language though. Both.

It's in lengadocian

It's standardized lengadocian occitan :)

in most of gascony, word final -a doesn't sound like a -o, but like a schwa much like in catalan. in fact we merge -a and -e.

+Old Videogames Heaven a tal punt que la Llingüística les considerava la mateixa llengua fins aproximadament els 1920s

Sounds a bit like Portuguese to me, in terms of pronunciation and such.

In my opinion, Portuguese of Gallia

frankish had linguistically no impact on that

No, it’s just that Latin had a greater impact in the south because it was closer to Rome. Historically the south of the Gauls was always closer to to Rome, being the first province north of the alps (Gallia Narbonensis)

It’s the contrary: the more you go north, the more you can hear some gaulish phonologie reminiscence. Frankish had not a big influence, French parisianism is full of artificial phonologie with no link to cultural history.

She is from the Philippines herself, I have no doubt that she will document as many languages of her home country as possible.

Many of the immigrants to French Louisiana were from Occitania.

@@astranix0198 that's not the reason at all , and the vast majority of settlers in louisiana were from north east france

@@astranix0198 not at all

Not occitan and French branch Gallo romance

I speak Gascon Occitan and have à few basics in Spanish. With as little as a month of studying italian, I could read books and get the général meaning of most if the things I read. Italian is such a cool language btw. My nine years old daughter ihas become quite a fan of the language too !

I noticed that too. Much closer to Italian then modern standard French.

@@stephanedumas8329 There dialects in Northern Italy which are also Gallo Romance. Some people tend to put Occitan, Catalan and Northen Italian languages as "Occitano-Romance' though.

@@stephanedumas8329 that's debated tbh both occitan and catalan are indubitably in the same branch, but it might be something entirely separate like occitano-romance.

This is what French needs. I have learnt French a little. But it s worse than English about text and pronounce are different. In Turkish each letter has one exact sound and it does not change word to word. Once one learn alphabet s/he can pronounce any text even if s/he does not know what the text means. Also there is no ch, sh, etc letters but ç =ch. , ş= sh instead.

@@PimsleurTurkishLessons turkish reading System is one of my favorites 1:1

@@mateos107 do you know Turkish alphabet? (and Turkish grammar? at least a little?) Turkish numbers are also easy as English numbers. also making ordinal number is very easy just adding inci suffix acording to vowel harmony. like th of English ordinal numbers. Turkish grammar is also very regular and it has consistent rules. Turkish is not fusional language so words do not change when they take suffixes. here are some of (i added more in my video about it) WORLDWIDE LINGUISTS' OPINIONS ON TURKISH LANGUAGE French Turcologist Jean Deny said: "The Turkish language suggests that it was formed as a result of the consultation and discussion of an elite committee of scholars. Turkish verbs have such a peculiarity . This feature is the power to form new words with affixes” (my adding to his words; actually Turkish has suffixes , prefixes are only to emphasis a word such as yaşlı=old yapyaşlı=too old. ) Max Mulller: "Turkish is the result of the creative power of the Turkish langugae. It is the product of human intellect's awesome might. There is no other language which can be understood as easily, or enjoyed as much as Turkish." It is a real pleasure to read a Turkish grammar, even though one may have no wish to acquire it practically. The ingenious manner in which the numerous grammatical forms are brought out, the regularity which pervades the system of declension and conjugation, the transparency and intelligibility of the whole structure, must strike all who have a sense of that wonderful power of the human mind which has displayed itself in language. Given so small a number of graphic and demonstrative roots as would hardly suffice to express the commonest wants of human beings, to produce an instrument that shall render the faintest shades of feeling and thought; given a vague infinitive or a stern imperative, to derive from it such moods as an optative or subjunctive, and tenses as an aorist or paulo-post future; given incoherent utterances, to arrange them into a system where all is uniform and regular, all combined and harmonious; such is the work of the human mind which we see realised in language. But in most languages nothing of this early process remains visible. They stand before us like solid rocks, and the microscope of the philologist alone can reveal the remains of organic life with which they are built up. In the grammar of the Turkic languages, on the contrary, we have before us a language of perfectly transparent structure, and a grammar the inner workings of which we can study, as if watching the building of cells in a crystal beehive. An eminent orientalist remarked, ‘ We might imagine Turkish to be the result of the deliberations of some eminent society of learned men *The Turkish language is neat, which can be considered to have been made after a long study and vote of an elite committee of scholars. The undisturbed smoothness and order in the inflectional form of the Turkish language, the ease of comprehension that comes from its structure, excite those who can understand this extraordinary power of expression created in the language. The most ingenious structure in Turkish is the verb structure. The Turkish language can explain the subtleties of meaning that no other language can or tries to explain with many words, with a single word.” MY OPINIONS ON TURKISH - Johan Vandewalle (The text is written by him. It is written by him in Turkish.) “…I think that a native Turkish speaker thinks in short sentences, and when speaking, he builds complex structures by connecting these short sentences in various ways. This "tendency to connect sentences" can be weak in some speakers, and strong in others, almost to the extent of a disease. The linguistic structures that emerged in this last situation reflect the superior possibilities of the human mind in the best way. Although I have studied many languages ​​belonging to different language groups, I can say that I have never come across a structure that fascinates me as much as complex sentence structures in Turkish. If you let me be a little sentimental, I sometimes say to myself, “I wish Chomsky had learned Turkish when he was younger too…”. I'm sure then modern linguistics would have been shaped according to Turkish, not English…” *Receiving the Babylonian World Award for speaking thirty-two languages, Belgium's Ghent University Center for Eastern Languages and Cultures, Dr. Johann Van De Walle explains why he is interested in Turkish today: “Turkish can be learned in a very short time. The rules in chess are logical, simple and few in number. Even a seven-year-old can learn to play chess. Despite this convenience, the person playing chess does not get bored throughout his life. The game possibilities are endless. It is a very magical feature that the same situation exists in the Turkish grammar system. Turkish grammar is a language that has a regular and unexceptional character almost as much as mathematics.

@@mateos107 example there is loan word from French to Turkish , chauffeur. we write it as it is pronounced " şoför . it means driver. its Turkish orginal word is sürücü. chauffeur (French) =Şoför (Turkish version of French word) =Sürücü (Turkish orginal) =driver (English)

*La langue française