Fridgestuck: Tavros Nitram (Facts/Theories) 

I think Tavros's last name being Martin spelled backwards may also reference Mary Martin, an actress who was well-known for playing Peter Pan in the stage play version of the story.

Gamzee has a thing for Tavros. Gamzee is a stoner. Nitram spelled backward is Martin, and he's apparently Troll Latino, like Cheech Martin from the famous comedy duo Cheech and Chong, who are known for their pot jokes. One well known skit of theirs is "Dave's not here"

As a latino, that spanish wasn't that bad.

my personal belief is "you never have to leave" is because of the adult trolls being culled/sent off planet

As much as I love this sweet cinnamon roll I can’t help but feel that some of what Vriska says about Tavros is true. As a character some of his actions are a bit infuriating. I mean I can understand having problems with killing someone you care about but it just hurts me that he almost never stands up for himself. When you design a character to be a punching bag it makes you care about them and Tavros is no different. And while he does get there eventually, I think the fact it took a whole act and several act act intermissions to do so really makes watching him suffer just kind of draining. But I mean who cares about all that because he’s a sweet, precious boy and I love him.

Every time Tavros shows up I revert to a screaming Muelin screeching “MY BEAUTIFUL BABBIES” and when Gamzee and Tavros are interacting I just dissolve

honestly i relate to Tavros a lot and i definitely see a lot of my own autism in him that is just comforting.

I actually never liked tavros when i first read the comic. but upon my second readthrough, while keeping in mind that vriska actually sexually harassed him and bullied him to the point of paralysis, he became an even more likeable character! i think a lot of his problems arose from his trauma, and if you look back on conversations he had with living aradia on alternia, he was much more confident than he was at the start of hivebent. sure he was still really anxious and unsure of himself, but he was still determined to pursue the flarp class that "n0ne 0f the really useful c0mbat abilities c0me int0 play until y0u reach a very high level", which is exactly what the page class is defined as. to actively seek out the hardest route means that he wants to work hard to become something great, and it feels like vriska took that shred of confidence and drive away from him in her attempts to "toughen him up". Anyways, I really hope you might talk about this in your vriska video at least, since you had so much to say in this video i dont blame you for not getting into *every tiny detail* about his character arc

As a person with Aspergers, I like the interpretation of Tavros having Aspergers. The logic is barely there and even then it is a stretch (I don't think he hyperfixates on a single thing in the entire comic). He just kinda gives me a vibe, ya know? A lot of different disorders and syndromes can be applied to characters in Homestuck, but almost none are confirmed and most are stretches. I just like it when people have a character they can impress themselves onto and relate to as a result.

Also, one of the best known uses of the word "toreador" in media/pop culture is the Toreador Song from the opera Carmen. The opera ends with the eponymous heroine being mortally stabbed by her jilted and super possessive ex-lover while a reprise of the Toreador Song plays in the background

There's a theory that Nepeta is autistic. It comes from a line from Karkat saying: "Great! I'm stuck with the autistic girl!" When referring to Nepeta. Hussie said that is wasn't meant to be a insult so people started thinking Nepeta has autism. There's other evidence but I can't seem to remember it.

Tavros and don Quixote now I'm even more certain that John is a reference to John Henry with them both wealding hammers being named John and fighting against intermountable odds. Also I think the basic story of Homestuck may have been lifted from the comic siers and first event comic secret wars.

Imagine if tavros was a hope player. RUFIOH IS REAL

Tavros username can be translated into Goodbye Bullfighter. I think it also refers to him being a "bull" and a pacifist.

i'm autistic and i definitely related to tavros. though i'm not sure being autistic necessarily makes someone kinder...

i spent 2 years constantly studying all 144 possible classpects I found the one closest to my situation was page of breath, however my life has changed so much since then its obviously incorrect now.

Tavros is the troll that needs a hug especially early when he’s introduced

So i just realized… aradia tells tavros not long before vriska jumps him off the cliff that- and this is kinda paraphrased- “you picked an odd class, not a lot of the very powerful skills are gained until far into the levels”… tavros is also a page, one of the ‘hardest’ classes in sburb which can also become one of the most powerful classes if they develop as the game intends them to… we had foreshadowing of tavros’s classpect even before we knew pages exist or their difficult experience curve

I'm not even into Homestuck that much but I really like Tavros and how he's potrayed even if people find him infuriating.

I love tavros so much, I named my skyrim character after him (Even though I misspelled it)

Imma be honest, this really puts Tavros into a whole new perspective for me. I want very interested in him before but now I’m hella interested.

12:00 One of my favourite youtubers promoting another one of my favourite youtubers n i c e

I completely forgot about the name of Tavros' land but I named my first born Zephyr. Accidental Homestuck reference for the win!

As a Taurus and a breath player, I love Tavros very dearly and can relate with the social anxiety thing. I love my perfect boy

"Fully delusional one person larp session" sounds incredibly fun.

Personally, I think you can't leave dreambubbles as ghosts, since regardless of what happened at [S] Collide we haven't seen ghosts outside all this mess, who weren't being sucked into this hole. In dreambubbles there were also tons of half-dead Sollux's, who couldn't escape this thing either, so my speculation is: You can exist out of dreambubbles as a ghost, but you have to be alpha, which means you're meant to be not dead and needed in alpha timeline, like both Aradia as Aradiabot (not Aradiasprite) and Sollux as part of Erisol... (if anyone wants speculation about Erisol just tell me), though you can't escape as your dream projection, like Dirk.

That quiz has a tendency to give me muse or page of breath too, I think it's just because I'm super passive and have lots of social anxiety. I think I'm more of a page of light now

Please do rose lalonde next 🙏🙏🙏

i was trying to do homework during this but ended up focusing on this and almost crying about tavros also i just finished listening to the final fact and now i am. worried about every troll in the dreambubbles. oh god what happened to the original equius and nepeta are they okay or are they dead

God the Spanish pronunciation in this episode was on point! Can't wait til' the next season, stay awesome!

Maybe a Roxy episode ? :3

I’ll be honest, i didn’t like Tavros at first. I only ever saw his many failures and shortcomings. As a Taurpia, i was naturally insulted, i did not want to be associated with him. At first. I think i needed this refresher. I like him a lot more now.

about that lyric. "you will never have to leave" I always thought of it as, if you leave, you'll double die. Aranea "left" and when the ring was taken off, she was gone. At least, that's what I think about it.

Yes baby girl, you deserve all these subscribers, you put your heart and soul into these videos and we all love and appreciate them

Good call about labeling. As an Aspie who's fav movie is Hook (Rufio), I relate to Tavros (don't worry I've made friends, and seen prayers answered, not depressing). But you're right it's too subjective to label Tavros.

Wait does this make your cringy Dave side make you Davros

Also I would love to see a video on the connections between Homestuck and the original comics that helped inspire it. And comic related media

The Vriska episode is gonna be pretty dark at some points when you eventually get to it isn't it?

I have aspergers and id like to say that while it’s not canon, I headcanon that tavros has aspergers! his interest in pupa pan and possibly fiduspawn is what I always saw as a special interest? and his anxiety of fully “being himself” could relate to us normally having a persona that’s socially acceptable? but that’s just my headcanon!! :3

Honestly your Fan made class Is So great you can be Another(not all Of them) aspect and it will still be a pun Out of space Out of Time Out of mind Out of hope(ehhh)

12:10 jegus sufferer, the references to other excellent youtubers in a polite fashion is wonderful. (Good job on the vid, keep it up!)

You are indeed a hero, Jen! You've actually an inspiration to me, and many others in this fandom. Why, you even could say that you're like the Summoner in the aspect that you've gained multiple followers. I hope that you inspire many others and continue to create videos. Good luck to you!

You are always amazing, stay true to yourself!

This was really good, I liked all the referances to the music and his first appearance. Could you do an episode on the trolls' view of the humans, and the Beforan trolls' view of the Alternian ones?

Ah. Blood and Breath players are very different. Just look at how you feel towards another Breath player. :’) ~Rogue of Blood

I didn’t realize how much things Tavros does with Peter Pan with the tinker bull and his ancestor being Rufio and tons of other stuff

i love how she pronounces toreador, as a spanish person it wasn't that bad

God. Why does it always take me so long to watch these? They're so good.

Hi1 A message from a Homestuck fan from Spain: Your videos are awesome and... your pronunciation of the title of the book is the right one ;) Btw: never noticed the reference, you're clever ;)

Wait, what would female/ male names for previously male/ female exclusive classes be? Prince seems obvious, being princess of aspect.

Another notable aspect to the Martin concept is that Mary Martin was a notable actress in the 1954 broadway running of Peter Pan where she played the lead himself!

I BELIEVE IN TAVROS SUPREMACY 🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐

Happy birthday, Jen! Also, I didn’t really know that you watched Overly Sarcastic Productions till this video. I pray your holiday season is filled with great times with your family and that you survive it well. I would say I can’t wait for the next episode, but I would be lying if I did so. I would like to see a Feferi or one of the Hiveswap characters’ video next year or maybe next month if you allow it. Edit: I also cannot believe that it has been more than a year since I have found your channel. Time flies by so fast doesn't it.

"DON JIJOTE" JAJSJSJSJS

My friend and I love your videos so much! Your subs are very well deserved!!

I think travros is nice because he has a low self esteem and he mostly gets insulted so i guess he doesnt let that get to him

Happy birthday!

•sobbing• WHYYY ITS TO EARLY FOR THIS TO END FOR 2018!

Calliope next!!

yeah as an autistic myself tavros most likely doesn't fit. Nepeta on the other hand... EDIT: Wait. what do you mean "problematic"???

Im so proud of my bull boy he is so great

18:28 Yes, yes they can. Davepeta literally was able to fly FROM the final session and arrive at the green sun. Furthermore, the troll dancestors were able to be physically present in the meteor that Karkat and company were riding on. Dave comments on this when Meenah passes through, "what could she even do, like kick over an old pile of garbage and cause the property value to fall even lower than jack [redacted]?" If any of the characters' ghosts can manifest on/in/around an object physically passing through that purgatory dreamland, then they could presumably manifest and exist in a stable-state reality. To elaborate, I am fairly certain Aranea was stun-locked (Aranea's class, god-tier, and caste abilities being the target) when the Condence dropped her into lava (a few pages after "[s] Game Over'). I am certain that the life ring DOES NOT kill its deceased wearer when it is removed from their person. While all of that sounds flimsy, I am personally unaware of whether Hussie confirmed nor refuted this possible theory, if ever postulated.

hey about the whole thing about Tavros possibly having aspergers. I am someone who does have aspergers and I have noticed that Tavros acts alot like I do. from my experience of living with aspergers and also talking with others with it (like my brother and some of my friends) I have learned that there are two different "personalities" that people with aspergers have. there is the positive personality and the negative personality. the positive personality acts positive towards other people but are kinda awkward in social interactions. the negative personality rarely speaks and when they do they either are "robotic" in the way they speak or have a lot of attitude (depending on the situation). I am one who has a positive personality and my brother has the negative personality. If Tavros does have aspergers he obviously would be one with a positive personality. But one thing about the positive personality is that in some rare cases some (including me) have extremely bad anger issues. at a young age (between 6 and 12) they have an extremely short fuse and will be prone to "black outs". a "black out" happens when the sufferer experiences a large amount of stress. once they finally snap they will become extremely violent until they become exhausted or lose conscious. once they calm down or regain consciousness they will in most cases have no memory of the events of the blackout. when i was little my good friend and now girlfriend would have to restrain me or in most cases knock me out before i could do any serious harm to myself or someone else. thankfully as I and others like me got older we have a fuse long enough to wrap around the earth twice. Tavros doesn't seem to suffer from the black outs, so he would have the more common variety of positive personalities. He also seems to have a very long fuse and ends up feeling more sad rather than angry. Also i personally don't think of aspergers as a form of autism because those who have a form of autism are quite different from those with aspergers. Those with autism mostly don't have a sense of maturity until their early to late 20s. People with aspergers tend to start being more mature around the age of 13-18 but they do still have a childish side (except the negative personalities). My final verdict on the matter is that it is possible but unless the creator himself says so i'm just going to go with a "maybe". well I think I've been rabling for long enough so if you have read this to the end I thank you for taking the time out of your day to read this comment and if you have any questions i will gladly answer.

I absolutely love your work!

“Do I really have all these subscribers?” Yes. And you deserve every one

The absolute best boy.

It's always interesting learning new things from the homestuck characters.

I always thought that’s this was about the summoner and the song was a ballad of the summoner and how he was a hero of trolls and fought for the good of the world and in turn ended in his death and the banning of adult trolls on alterina and how there might be a small group of the sufferers cult that became the Summoners cult and they wrote that song for their hero the summoner and it just happen to Aline with Taveros(I spelt that wrong I think?) because of the whole your will follow in your ancestors footsteps so taveros just happened to make the FRIEND ARMY EDIT:so after listening to the song the whole fairy and sprite thing well the Summoner was a fairy so I mean like who else was the song for

Tavros COULD have autism, just not too much of it. I know people who have Autism that are pretty normal, and people with Autism that have a hard time speaking their mind. I myself am on the spectrum. Doesn’t make him any less of a great character. :3

Wait dang i never saw that don quijote reference ..... and i had a don quijote art piece in my great grandmas house ..... when i started reading homestuck when i was younger...... dang

I dont know if its possible but maybe you could make a fridgstuck special friendsiem Not a whole biography about everyone but just one or two fun facts by character :3

Tavros is Peter Papul, vials is Captain Hook and Terezi is TikTok the crock

Yyyeeeeesssss been asking for tavros for da longest

Your stuff is very good. Keep doing it, please.

I have Aspergers and from what I can tell; some things line up, some don’t. Then again I might’ve misremembered or forgotten something. EDIT: Maybe I should be a Page of Space? Wait. Can I be a Mage-Page of Space? ...now I’m thinking of the library in Harry Potter. Librarian of Space! You won’t have to worry about late fees because I will take the book from you and you are powerless to stop me! Unless you’re a Space Player. I’m taking you, too!

I haven't read homestuck in months and this still draws my attention

this is 4 years to late but yesterday i watched the sarcastic production video and today this one , how the tabels turnabeld

Fun fact: the summoners revolution could be a reference to the Spanish revolution led by Andres bonifacio in the Philippines in the 1800 during the Philippine Spanish colonial era

Please do feferi

the personality of Zephros in greek mythology is the perfect outcome for a more confident Tavros

you are a beautiful human and we love you!

I always think of Tavros as the socially inept of the group, so baaically me.

Wait you're a McElroy fan too? That makes me very happy indeed

I have autism, and I don’t think that Tavros has autism. There are a lot of characters that fit the bill more accurately, namely Nepeta and Jade, but I think that Tavros’s behavioral patterns align fine with the anxiety and trauma he’s experienced without an autism diagnosis lol. Its a fun head cannon though!

Oh hey, I've taken that test a few times and I usually get page of breath too.

The McElroy soundclip is fitting

Our queen is back

Did you see Reds trope talk on time travel?? How she didn't mention homestuck is a mystery to me, but goddamn if it wasn't gr8.

*weeping* my boy...

I love the MBMBAM Ending :')

I haven't seen anyone make this comment so I'll just put it here for everyone. Literally any of the homestuck characters can be autistic. All of them. None of these characters in any way, shape, or form seem allistic to me, an autistic woman. Tavros just seems to follow the stereotype (vaguely aro/ace and socially awkward) more than most of the others. That doesn't really mean that headcanon-ing Tavros as autistic is in any way bad. I'd much rather people think I'm like Tavros than like Sheldon Cooper or anyone like him.

Man id kill to get a caliborn episode

as an aspie, i can say that it makes sense to me about tavros.

I took the quiz and I am a Life player. The title it gave me is the Slyph of Life

I may be late, I may be not, but I just wanted to say, Gr8 video dude! though I was wondering if you could take the Classpect Test of "Land of Celebrations and Bells"?At least in my opinion it seems more reliable and a bit more personal since it's two [somewhat] long tests that usually explain personality. Just throwing that out there! :]

I like that end part

Pleaaase do Dirk! He's my absolute favorite character in HS and so interesting

Tavros is a biological representation of his races mythology. Pupa pan - peter pan - a land made only of kids thats tormented by a pirate (condescence) He is wingless like all trolls but desires to fly. Trolls as insectiods that gain wings when godtiering aka pupating when at the hight of maturity

Tavros Nitram = 2nd Best Troll UwU (after Terezi, obviously)

Well dang, turns in homestuck 2 they do leave the dream bubble due to the black hole, they really do plan ahead don't they. Gud video 10/10