Friendly Fire: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 5600X & 5900X

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Our benchmark and review of the AMD R7 5800X CPU looks at its performance versus the AMD R5 5600X, R9 5900X, R9 5950X, and Intel competition. This one is the shortest of the new reviews.
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The 5800X, like the 10900K now, is still objectively 'good,' it's just not as impressive as the other new AMD parts for the price. This is the last of our initial 4 reviews we're posting for the AMD Ryzen 5000 CPU launch. We've now tested and reviewed the AMD R9 5950X, 5900X, R5 5600X, and the R7 5800X. We have plenty of other content in the pipeline to help you figure out the optimal combinations for these CPUs. The closest competitor to the 5800X from Intel is probably the 10700K, although the 10900K isn't distant in price, either. Regardless, we've already largely covered how Intel compares to the Zen 3 / Ryzen 5000 CPUs, so we'll direct our focus primarily to how the 5800X does versus the 5600X and 5900X.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - The Worst for Last: 5800X Review
03:33 - 5800X High All-Core Frequency Validation
04:13 - 5800X Max Single-Core Frequency
04:47 - Civilizaiton VI Turn Time Benchmarks on R7 5800X
06:13 - Red Dead Redemption 2 (Medium) Gaming CPU Benchmarks
07:18 - Red Dead Redemption 2 (High) Best Gaming CPUs 2020
07:40 - Three Kingdoms Battle 5800X vs. 5900X, 5600X, 10700K
08:30 - Campaign Benchmark (5800X vs. 10600K, 10900K, 5900X, et al.)
09:39 - MORE NUMBERS, MORE BETTER
10:45 - F1 2020 Best CPU Benchmarks
11:24 - Assassin's Creed CPU Benchmarks
12:00 - GTA V CPU Benchmark (Yes, Really)
12:23 - V-Ray CPU Rendering & 3D Art Benchmarks
13:36 - Adobe Photoshop Best CPUs
13:58 - Compression & Decompression CPU Benchmarks
15:18 - Blender Cycles CPU 3D Rendering Benchmarks
16:18 - Chromium Code Compile CPU Benchmarks for Programming
16:43 - Power Consumption of R7 5800X CPU
17:16 - Conclusion: No Man's Land, Except
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@GamersNexus 3 года назад

That's all 4 in 24 hours, as promised. Check back soon for other content with these parts! Watch our AMD R5 5600X CPU review: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-01EhbmJAW-k.html Our Wireframe Desk-Sized Mouse Mats are on back-order and will be shipping soon! store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-wireframe-mouse-mat Watch our AMD R9 5950X CPU review: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-72AHENDeTEI.html Watch our AMD R9 5900X CPU review: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-utWSSlyabjc.html

@leexgx 3 года назад

The worst for last lol

@evocatiproductions 3 года назад

@Dr No Ocular Moses

@DanVQX 3 года назад

Thanks for your hard work!

@Alauz 3 года назад

Impressive work! Now go and sleep! 😴

@godsgiftto3arth 3 года назад

are you going to be doing some coverage on motherboards for these? b vs x chipsets?

@stevebalmer8888 3 года назад

I find it ironic that the main title where intel still pulls ahead is called Red Dead Redemption...

@GamersNexus 3 года назад

Ha! Hadn't even thought of that. COINCIDENCE?!

@Rahkesh357 3 года назад

@@sharki9876 intel is team blue, amd is team red

@CLDHCrew 3 года назад

hahahhaha xD

@TheSolidlad 3 года назад

@@CLDHCrew Your name is short for Coldhand.

@Sunlight91 3 года назад

It should be renamed to Blue Dead Redemption.

@sergeiyoel9142 3 года назад

I predict that in 6 months Steve will say "the 5800x is the best choice because of the latest price drop"

@GamersNexus 3 года назад

That seems to be the trend!

@sansp9996 3 года назад

@@GamersNexus hope so

@DuBstep115 3 года назад

At the moment 5800x is only there to tempt people for 5900x because its "only" 100 bucks more.

@Florian.K. 3 года назад

Sure hope so, i got my eyes on that one =)

@DuBstep115 3 года назад

@@sansp9996 Id buy 5800x for 349

@dun498 3 года назад

5800X: For those of us who couldn't grab a 5900X before they sold out...

@paulneal9908 3 года назад

true that, however the 5800x is binned the same way as the 5950x, as it uses CCD's with all 8 cores enabled. Meaning it could reliably be overclocked to 4.9 Ghz

@EPICGAMER-mx3ws 3 года назад

yes exactly what i did

@karce1981 3 года назад

Same, but still comes with FarCry6. I do like that it uses the best silicon...no disabled cores due to faults in manufacturing

@brng1755 3 года назад

I also bought one for 490€ because when the 5900x is in stock it costs 700-800€. I will sell it when i can grab a 5900x near msrp.

@DarthShadow25 3 года назад

I want a 5600x, but those are all sold out, and my local Micro Center has 25 5800x in stock and they are selling them at what I could get 5600x for from scalpers.

@brettwebb6789 3 года назад

The 5800X does have a serious advantage over basically every other AMD 5000 series processor. Namely... it exists.

@houseking9211 3 года назад

pogger

@MethaTugan 3 года назад

I bought a few days ago a Ryzen 7 5800x because it was the only one avaible since launch.

@brettwebb6789 3 года назад

@@MethaTugan Same here. It was the only 5000 series I could find. Unfortunately, it also seems to be the worst binned, with the highest temperatures. At stock settings, mine runs up to 90C under a Corsair H110i AIO, and I've checked the paste. I had to go in and limit the PPT in PBO to 135 watts to keep it under 80C. Really annoying honestly...

@BigSaulo 3 года назад

I got lucky and got a 5800x 2 weeks ago. Then finally got a lucky and got a 5900x, trading the 5800x back in.

@billlam7756 3 года назад

@@brettwebb6789 isnt that crazy? So dam hot and amd think it's ok at 90c, not to mentioned it kill the life span of the cpu running so hot all the time. AMD probably think were running ms words or something

@anonymoususer69 3 года назад

We went from “Get intel if you ONLY want to game” to “Get Intel if you ONLY want to play red dead redemption”

@zenon351 3 года назад

and that might not even last any longer when the Radeon 6000 series launches. It just might be the thing that edges AMD CPUs and GPUs over the competition.

@ClayWheeler 3 года назад

LMAO

@asaadb1 3 года назад

hahaha best commet

@richto1000 3 года назад

Intel has new faster Rocket Lake CPUs that fit in current sockets and enable PCI-E 4.0 shipping soon though. Intel will still be fastest for gaming bar a month or two.

@anonymoususer69 3 года назад

@@richto1000 rocket lake may be able to take back a slim lead but just FYI it’s looking like at least 3 months and possibly 5 months

@yashovardhandoke1835 3 года назад

The thumbnails were on point this entire series.

@BlackBirds93 3 года назад

I realized through this series I don't look at thumbnails, just click the video blindly

@MarkoDinicDinke 3 года назад

The time stamp titles as well. MOAR NUMBERZZZ! :D

@taelib1425 3 года назад

"We added more decimals to the end of that one, which means it's a larger number, and therefore more impressive" Fine, you get a like

@mrmidnight32 3 года назад

Honestly still 100% happy with my 5800x. The fact I was able to run photoshop between matches on Warzone @ 120+ FPS And run music and other browsers with background apps like discord is more than I could ever ask for.

@JACK-el2gs 3 года назад

What gpu do u have ??

@mappy-5934 3 года назад

what gpu?

@Eranta 3 года назад

what is ur gpu? please

@mrmidnight32 3 года назад

@@Eranta 1070 STRIX

@Eranta 3 года назад

@@mrmidnight32 thanks, Cheers! I have some Temperature issues.

@Ebbylina 3 года назад

"We saved the worst for last" This was the one I managed to get my hands on :/

@achoprtv 3 года назад

Same

@lennard9331 3 года назад

It's objectively a good performer as they said, it's just the least good value out of the 4 is all. You're still getting a very strong CPU

@BatrickPateman430 3 года назад

It's still an insane CPU buddy, don't feel bad.

@DronyHawk 3 года назад

me too buddy. But it is the "worst" of the best. We're gonna be ok

@gamz 3 года назад

Same. This was the buy for me though. I didn't really need the extra cores and threads for what I'm doing.

@ants9230 3 года назад

Just goes to show how far AMD have come in the last few years. Their mid range 5800X matches or beats Intel's flagship 10900K in almost every benchmark while having 20% fewer cores, costing less, consuming less power and running cooler; yet it's considered to be poor value for money compared to its siblings. Looks like Intel has a lot of work to do.

@CarthagoMike 3 года назад

There is another reason to get the 5800x: When the 5600x is out of stock everywhere, and you want a new pc relatively soon. My nephew held off from building a new system for a few months because of ryzen 5, and the 5600x can't be found anywhere down here, so he settled on the 5800x.

@arthurcatch3494 3 года назад

Yeah that problem will be solved in 1 month, when there will be enough stock

@Lord_of_Dread 3 года назад

It's also a better choice if you don't plan on doing an entire system rebuild for another 5-6 years. Next gen games run on 8 cores, and later in the life cycle its likely that they will rely on them more.

@CAthomaselliott 3 года назад

Yup. I picked up a 5800x because it was available and I'm building now for a system that I do not intend to rebuild for another 6 years. I'm building this to be stable and not something I need to faff around with every year. Fingers crossed for stable firmware/drivers. I also wanted to have the most cores without a chip that has multiple CCX.

@arthurcatch3494 3 года назад

@@CAthomaselliott I think you did the right thing. Basically the 5800x is better than the 5600x - just on a higher price. If there is only the 5800 available, sure go for it. Maybe wait for Benchmarks what grafics card you should buy

@sexyyoda7567 3 года назад

This is exactly what AMD wants you to do. You see, when AMD priced it around only 100$ less than a 12 core processor you are automatically set to buying the 12 core for extra 100$ or reducing 150$ for the 6 core. So if AMD manages to not send out heaps of stocks of 5600X and instead a 5800X you are compelled to settle on it no matter what unless you are not in a hurry or have the capacity to wait. And if you choose to buy 5900X its even 100$ higher. And later at some point in time when the 5800X 's price is reduced, it will be the best bang for buck processor and again it will be a massive profit for AMD. So it's a win or win situation for AMD. *Marketing at its finest.*

@KonstantinosKnd 3 года назад

This CPU is gonna be an absolute king when it drops in price I’m definitely gonna use one in my 2021 build

@GamersNexus 3 года назад

The 3700X went from similarly odd positioning to being great as the price dropped!

@mr.banana4178 3 года назад

@@GamersNexus yes!

@TheHalfGlassFullGuy 3 года назад

@@GamersNexus How long until that dropped in price?

@hoff521 3 года назад

yeah, and even at current pricing it's still a viable option. Steve does go over this at the end of the vid which is good, vs just saying this makes zero sense. I understand why people don't like the price, but AMD knows they can do it because it's the sweet spot for many who primarily game and want a little extra headroom for streaming etc., but don't want or need to go all the way to a 5900x. While price per performance etc. tells a story, you have to factor overall budget and functional needs, especially in markets where overall prices are higher. If you need a bit more cores than 5600x but don't need double, the 5800x is still $150 cheaper after tax than 5900x, and your spend is ~$710 vs ~$860 here in Canada. AMD knows if 6 cores isn't enough for you, you're generally not comparing to the 6 core part in price anymore as your baseline. For many it's what are my viable options and budget, and so your baseline becomes the 5800x

@oneofmanyjames-es1643 3 года назад

AMD's pricing strategy with the 5800X really confuses me. Where I live in the UK they are charging £420 for it. You can get an i7-10700k for £340 and the 5600X for £280. The 5800X is certainly a better CPU, but it's not worth the extra cost.

@RazyMon 3 года назад

"we saved the worst for last" 5800X: **cries**

@mattaaron6142 8 месяцев назад

The fact that my 5800x clocks 300mhz over rated max turbo boost without any tinkering and without hitting thermal limits was a nice surprise

@Varmint260 Месяц назад

Not bad! I upgraded the cooler on mine and it clocks around 150MHz over rated max turbo at peak, which is still nice to see. I didn't realize how inadequate the Hyper 212 was until I put an AK620 on it last week.

@DekkarMTBtl 3 года назад

Considering the 5800X has come down to ~$380 USD and the 5600X hasn't budged from $300, $80 for 2 more cores and a bit faster speed sounds fairly reasonable.

@thomaslayman9487 2 года назад

down even further - it's only like 350 rn i'm genuinely looking at it

@TheDerpyPie 2 года назад

Just bought a 5800x for 5600x pricing

@Lancx 2 года назад

@@TheDerpyPie I just snagged it for 330. I feel like thats a solid deal for the next 3-4 years.

@TheDerpyPie 2 года назад

@@Lancx yeah it's definitely a solid deal and it'll last long, I just did some pbo2 overclocking and I've gotten some pretty good results 4.94 GHz for single core and 4.74 GHz all core on cinebench r20 max temps are 81c

@Lancx 2 года назад

@@TheDerpyPie Yeah mine is similar. Im at about 4.8 all core with a max temp of 78 in r20.

@mbwh1582 3 года назад

While this is the worst value for money, I think this is the one I'll be getting. I don't need the 12 cores, but I kinda do want a fully enabled CCD, and the slightly higher boost clocks, while being substantially easier to cool than the 12 core part.

@maxolina 3 года назад

enjoy your wasted money!

@mbwh1582 3 года назад

@@maxolina I will, very much!

@goob8945 3 года назад

Don’t worry it’s a SOLID middle chip. You sound like you know what you want

@michaelteitelbaum7291 3 года назад

@@maxolina I think the idea of 'wasted money' is pretty subjective here.

@DrearierSpider1 3 года назад

The 5900X makes up for having 2 CCX's by having double the cache, that's why gaming performance is the same. And did you look at the power consumption charts? 127W in Blender for the 5800X vvs 133W for the 5900X.

@bigdhav 3 года назад

Have a shot every time he says "5800x, 5900x or 5600x".

@GamersNexus 3 года назад

DON'T DIE.

@ValentineC137 3 года назад

Hardcore mode: Take a shot every time he says "Fifty" :)

@infiltr80r 3 года назад

Help me, I fell off my chair.

@sexyyoda7567 3 года назад

@@GamersNexus How can You die? Drink the water LMAO

@dralord1307 3 года назад

@@sexyyoda7567 Uhmm Water intoxication is a thing you know

@georgem.6136 3 года назад

Great review series! And the live overclock stream was very cool!

@brokensword2621 2 года назад

5800x is a very good cpu. I'm very happy with it. It's blazing fast in rendering and editing video. and in the games I have a great result from this cpu. Highly recommended 👌

@marcinwojcik6622 3 года назад

Intel: Stop the benchmarks!

@henok_gk 3 года назад

I get that reference xD

@Ray-xz3oi 3 года назад

*(Rick Dalton points fingers)

@dex2531 3 года назад

lol

@dannacht6827 3 года назад

Intel: We already won the gaming marketing! AMD is fake news! Just like nvidia 3000 series supply.

@BeCaffe 3 года назад

"It's RDR, sir." "Ok, count those in."

@RobAryeeArc 3 года назад

9:58 "More numbers = more better" You heard him folks. Finally Steve has seen the light and has rebuked the ways of fake tech news. PS happy Friday Steve. Thanks to both you and the GN team for the hard work this week.

@Ninjastahr 3 года назад

Is that what Intel is going for with their naming scheme?

@3Dant 3 года назад

More numbers = more better merch incoming?

@userbosco Год назад

Funny how this may be the best AM4 value CPU today.

@sadippers6168 3 года назад

Steve always goes full nerd in his videos, going really in-depth and it helps you forget about your life problems I swear🤣🤣 love this channel!

@MrMatt3046 2 года назад

I call it autistic detail. I have ADD so I have to watch three times to understand it.

@giftednovahd 3 года назад

corrections to thumbnails: r7 instead of r9 5800x

@GamersNexus 3 года назад

Thanks. Fixing.

@blizbiggy 3 года назад

The takeaway I got from this is wait for it to drop $50 or more and snag it up. Or wait for the 5900x to go on a sale and snag that up instead :O lol

@kostisap9350 3 года назад

If you care only for gaming I would say to go with the 5600X. I mean in most games there is no dif and in only a few of them there is a 5-10fps dif. Is it worth it? It's subjective ofc. Depends on the gpu too and how many years you want to keep it.

@RushSykes96 3 года назад

@@kostisap9350 I'm a bit unsure about that tbh. I'm planing to upgrade my CPU around February or March 2021 and would like to use that CPU for at least 2-3 years. Now with the new consoles releasing and stuff, shouldn't the system requirements for games get a bit higher over the next years? I'm gaming in 1440p/144 Hz and I'm really not sure if the 5600X would be strong enough to power my rig for 2-3 years. But I also don't wanna pay 550-600€/$ for the 5900X so I'm really considering the 5800X and hope either the 5800X gets a bit cheaper until Early 2021 or AMD releases something like a 5700X soon.

@BUDDAz1g 3 года назад

That sucks. Wish they made the 5600x 8 cores for 300

@Bastyyyyyy 3 года назад

I got mine for MSRP price, and sell farcry(40€) to a friend. so for me the 5800x is 100% worth it :) 110€ more then the 5600x

@paco9831 3 года назад

Warm Soft Kitty leaks show They are gonna be on par, but still using 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

@GaAnRu 3 года назад

I find comforting that I'm not the only one that enjoys more than one hour of reviews of a single product stack.

@Merjia 3 года назад

"More numbers therefore more better" Never change, Steve. Haha!

@ok-js3tp 3 года назад

"more numbers, more better" Nobody: Intel: i9 109020x kf

@TheDrewker 3 года назад

underrated comment

@Dave-dh7rt 3 года назад

109020X KF-S with an increased power target from 165W instead of 125

@caydencollins9829 3 года назад

nobody:

@ZigaZaga_TTV 3 года назад

@@Dave-dh7rt where is the 14++++++nm?

@Dave-dh7rt 3 года назад

@@ZigaZaga_TTV rocket lake lol

@whisp9r365 3 года назад

Damn the 9:44 section killed me XD 150$ for 1,50% better efficiency, we got it Steve lmao

@rangersmith4652 3 года назад

Counterpoint--$150 more gets you the ability to efficiently and effectively stream your game from the same PC rather than having to run two.

@petervansan1054 3 года назад

that joke went too long and became unfunny at the end though

@virtualtools_3021 3 года назад

@@rangersmith4652 Counterpoint: if you dont steam at 240fps a 5600x is way more than enough

@JFG3D Год назад

Thanks! For putting out great content, I’ve been following your channel for a few months now. I wish I found your channel before I purchased components for a new gaming build. It’s been 10 Years since my last build, and I have fallen behind the new technology. I felt like I was way out of my league. The damage is done the budget is blown. I’m trying to make the best of it by learning more about todays computer components and tuning to make the most out of the mistakes I made purchasing what I thought was right. I’m gaining confidence with every video you guys put out and I’m close to diving into the timings to get the most out of my new build. Thanks again keep up the good work. You’ll make a decent PC builder out of me yet. Thanks again.

@scyzorpl Год назад

Funny you gave 5 $ and he didn't even say thank you lol

@Iron-Soul 3 года назад

5800x: For those of us who can’t beat the scalpers to get a 5950x, or 5900x.

@DerdOn0ner 3 года назад

true, I had to buy a 5800x, because well, 5900x is nonexistent

@Kojotous007 3 года назад

True, but 5800x is beast thanks to PBO2. All i did was set curve optimiser to negative 30 (max) its runing literally without any problems. In Cinebench R20 all cores are runing 4850-4900 MHz rock stable 😛

@Iron-Soul 3 года назад

@@Kojotous007 LOL! That's exactly what I did with my 5800x in PBO2 with all core max to 4.6 GHz (didn't win the silicon lottery), and set the CPU voltage to 1.26. It's sure is a beast of a CPU. It's way snappier than my 3900x for my music production, and I can see a huge difference. At this point the scalpers that keep hi jacking all the 5900x & 5950x can choke on them, and kick rocks. 😉

@wndrrd 3 года назад

@@DerdOn0ner Same! The 5800X in my computer is better that the 5900x I can't buy!

@GearheadK20C4 3 года назад

I love my 5800x no matter what anyone says

@conorkilleenorjewboy 3 года назад

I'm really going to enjoy my 1.1746680286% increase in gaming performance! I don't have buyers remorse in the slightest! :) *cries in a corner*

@NeThZOR 3 года назад

I'm with you bro. Steve really hurt us with that nail in the coffin.

@petervansan1054 3 года назад

I think it still ill be fine when 8 core consoles force games to use all 8 cores

@conorkilleenorjewboy 3 года назад

@@petervansan1054 I can make my 5800x last for another 10 years until then :D

@Bastyyyyyy 3 года назад

wait intil they they test out SAM feature of AMD, Maybe it shows that the 5800x is way better for gaming then the 5600 x ;) u dont know

@conorkilleenorjewboy 3 года назад

@@jonathanlarsen4177 I know that... but my wallet's crying.

@evocatiproductions 3 года назад

Loved the Livestream last night! Killing it as always! Let Ocular Moses know he is still the best Camera Man around! Keep up the awesome work!

@JulioLabarca Год назад

Thanks for including software compilation!

@Gnomaana 3 года назад

"More numbers, therefore more better." I love that.

@vaibhavalung9280 3 года назад

100+ hours of content covering the whole lineup in depth and that too very quickly, Steve and the team truly deserves a lot more. These are videos we will keep coming back to, for the whole Zen 3 time cycle.

@LuksZeugs 3 года назад

I was lucky enough to get an order through, this was the only one that had an order page at the retailer (in germany). Upgrading to this from the 1700, probably still going to be happy with the 5800X

@Xyler94 3 года назад

Newegg in Canada decided to update it's stock at 1AM where I live... and of course, sold out instantly... While I was asleep because I had to work next morning.

@leexgx 3 года назад

You will love the difference, I went from a 1800x to 3800x and it was extremely noticeable (just dropped it into my asus x370 mobo) first gen ryzen was actually quite horrible, main one been single threaded performance is not good and AVX wasn't very good on 1000/2000 cpus (I had to overclock mine to 3.8ghz all Core turbo just to make it not hitch/stutter) but I went from a i7-920 to a 1800x so it was a massive improvement but in some games that are Cpu/latency bound I effectively upgraded to a 4th gen i7 witch wasn't good if the 8700k was released (witch it annoying did 1-3 months after I got the 1800x) I would have gotten that instead of the ryzen cpu due to near double single threaded performance (only thing the 1800x had was its core/thread count) where as the 3800x runs like a 8700k/9900k and it runs very well I don't regret getting the 1800x but if the 8700k was released I would have gotten the 8700k

@leexgx 3 года назад

@WhatDa FarkenHell just wanted the 1800x (it was only £30.l more then the 1700x), the 8700k wasn't released at the time when I got the 1800x (remember this was 3 years ago and I upgraded from a overclocked i7-920) in using the 1800x it has been fine apart from having to set turbo to 3.8ghz all Cores should note I Only Had problems with 3 games with the 1800x (oxygen not included, Factorio and ksp) as they are super sensitive to cache and ram latency and ran more like a 4th gen i7 cpu, the 3800x I currently own with 2933 ram it runs more like a 8700k/9700k) All other games on the 1800x ran as expected I was aware of 1600 and 1700 non x

@remsterx 3 года назад

I got a 5600x coming. My kid got my 1700 and wife now getting my current 2700x. And since amd not playing around with benchmarks I’m getting a 6800xt since the 3080 will never be in stock 😂

@matteovukoja1240 3 года назад

It's a bad value compared to the 5600X and 5900X, but it's still a damn good CPU and will last you for years to come. You'll also be able to upgrade to a 5950X or whatever Zen 4 down the line very easily.

@kost.9423 3 года назад

''The worse'' its the one every gamer wants, because its the single ccd, single ccx 8core model.

@tardvandecluntproductions1278 3 года назад

To me it also looks like the best one that's more future proof then just 6 cores. 12 cores feels overkill My I7 2600K is still quite strong and going after 9 years.

@Rommer2258 3 года назад

@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 i felt good with my 2600k, it finally died after almost a decade, I want a 5900x but if I can only get my hands on a 5800x ill be fine with that.

@saricubra2867 3 года назад

@@Rommer2258 You don't need more than 8 cores for everything, 8 is the sweetspot, same for the new 8 cores i7s.

@theorangecarousel481 3 года назад

I agree 8 is the sweet spot. But for only 100 dollars more getting the 12 cores seems to be the best deal. I think a 5700x would be the real sweet spot, (at 380ish) but i think the 5900x will age pretty well all things considered and is worth the extra cores.

@Psychronicle 3 года назад

@@theorangecarousel481 It's not the best deal - you're spending more money. It's only a deal if you're using the 12 cores - if not then you're spending money on clout (which is fine).

@johnpaulbacon8320 3 года назад

Thanks for all of your work. This video was very insightful.

@axa993 3 года назад

What a day for both us and you guys. Although in this video you can clearly see all this taking a toll on our dude lol

@K4rgo 3 года назад

the "more numbers more better" part made me laugh out loud. God I love this channel

@archer9338 3 года назад

@Gamers Nexus Thanks for all the great videos. Also, shout out to Arctic P12 case fans. I have 12 in my Enthoo Pro 2 and love them. Even at 1,800 RPM, I forget they are there.

@michaelmadsen1222 3 года назад

That bit starting at 9:40 had me rolling!!!

@FartButtPizza1234567 3 года назад

I'm a simple man, I see mroe numbers, I spend more numbers

@_Taco_ 3 года назад

1.1747% means everything to me. Thank you for validating my choice to get this over the 5600x. edit: Actually the 1.1746680286% is what matters most.

@CapaNoisyCapa 3 года назад

Well, here in Brazil we use points as thousands separator so the 5800x is a lot faster here than in the US!

@maxkraft2709 3 года назад

5800x gang 🙏🏼

@ReidoFutebol98 3 года назад

@@CapaNoisyCapa eae brother

@Random.Contents. 3 года назад

@@maxkraft2709 More like throwing money at AMD gang lol

@LCTRgames 3 года назад

Some people been also theorising that the initial yields for CCXs might be worse for full 8 cores - so pointing people towards the 6-core-based SKUs might also be a factor in the 5800x pricing? Any thoughts? (btw, ty for all the hard work over the past few days 👍 )

@jmanig76 3 года назад

Linus had an interesting take on the marketing strategy on his show last night. Basically, the 5600X is a 5800X with two cores disabled (AMD switched to a unified model where all CPUs have the same architecture). The pricing seems to suggest the yields aren’t great, and so expect AMD to produce a lot more 5600X than 5800X. In other words, the point of the 5800X isn’t to sell itself, it’s to boost the sales of the 5600X and 5900X by comparison. I know this trick has a well known name in marketing, I just forget what it is.

@grand7m 3 года назад

@Nobody It's possible AMD thought the yields would be worse and bad enough to justify the 5800x price. AMD is not going to disable 2 cores of a perfectly good bin just to sell it for $150 less as a 5600x. We might just be witnessing AMD's happy accident.

@ahmedwael3019 3 года назад

OH, the 3700x review reboot.

@dashkataey1740 3 года назад

I think the 5800x is positioned to be the "streamer" cpu. If you're a gamer that also streams, runs discord, and other programs in the background, the 5800x makes more sense to buy than either the 5600x or the 5900x. The 5600x is for pure gaming, the 5900x is just overkill for a system like that. The $100 you save from buying the 5900x can be pushed into a better gpu. the 5800x is a good jack-of-all-trades cpu but not necessarily the master of anything. It's also a good future proof cpu since it does have 8 cores, meaning if games coming out for PS5 and Xbox Series X start to push core count over a single thread, you may see the 5800x start to show much better gains over the 5600x in future games.

@josepbou8681 3 года назад

And for being int the middle, it would be the chosed one for many. (I've received mine today ;-))

@divertiti 3 года назад

I run discord and other programs while gaming at 120fps on a i7-4770k, you don't need 8 core for that. For streaming just use NVENC.

@lowskillcamper 3 года назад

It would be interesting to have a benchmark like that. With OBS streaming, discord and some other stuff running in background. But it seems GN won't have time for that) I personally think though that 5600x will be enough for this too. Streaming does not produce so much load, and games do not load 6 cores evenly, so the additional stuff should fit into underloaded cores "for free".

@dashkataey1740 3 года назад

@@divertiti What games are you running and at what resolutions? Also, what programs are you running? Yes, you don't need a powerful computer for streaming, but having a better cpu would make a difference especially if you're also recording for later uploading to something like RU-vid, meaning more background processes happening.

@dashkataey1740 3 года назад

@@lowskillcamper Oh absolutely agree with that. The 5600x is more than powerful enough to do streaming with.

@blze0018 3 года назад

Ah, back in the blissful days when we thought the sell-through rate would recover and prices would drop as things normalize. I miss having that hope.

@skmetal7 3 года назад

5 month later and still no hope... :/

@midnightblack7616 3 года назад

@@skmetal7 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6x2BYNimNOU.html - Ding ding ding! Recently bought a 5800X for $378 ($420, and received a 10% gift card for the purchase) - which finally put it in the proper value range. So, yeah, exactly as predicted. 5950X has gone up, 5900X is mostly not in stock. Lots of places have 5800X for around $420 as I type. Use pcpartpicker . com.

@skmetal7 3 года назад

@@midnightblack7616 yeah, I just got a 5800x as well. Had to settle for that instead of the 5900x.

@EinhanderSn0m4n 3 года назад

@@midnightblack7616 Exactly where I bought my 5800x last week. Newegg has it at the $420 Blaze it price.

@peace4626 3 года назад

@@midnightblack7616 same just price matched a 5800x from bestbuy for $413 after tax. Considering the fact that the 5900x is $570 at the lowest price I’d say it’s good value especially since I can always upgrade once prices lower later on but the 5800x will crush whatever I throw at it for now

@davidbrennan5 3 года назад

Thanks for all the hard work. Amd blew my mind this year again....

@parthkachhara9824 3 года назад

Bravo! GN. 4 reviews in 24 hours as promised. Amazing work guys. You are outdoing yourself.

@singular9 3 года назад

the 5800x does have better 1% and 0.1% lows than the 5600x, plus I am sure it can be better for streaming. Not bad!

@GamersNexus 3 года назад

The lows are often within error either direction. Yes, it would be better for streaming if you aren't just using NVENC.

@singular9 3 года назад

@@GamersNexus I have noticed IRL nvenc is actually worse than straight up using the CPU. At least when it comes to what I see on the stream, at 1080p it looks more like low bitrate 720p with a TON of compression. Directly from cpu (manually setting affinity for OBS) my 9900k may not be able to stream 60fps 1080p but 60fps 900p actually looks better from the CPU than NVENC 1080p. Wonder if you would so some testing to compare. At least for me, actual picture quality > numeric performance.

@singular9 3 года назад

@@GamersNexus Also I swear I saw multiple charts where the 5800x got 10-20fps higher 0.1% lows.

@leexgx 3 года назад

@@singular9 depends on the GPU if you have a 1660/2000 nvidia or higher the quality loss is less then 2% vs x264 encoding, but the is a big but, nvidia still can't seem to handle grass correctly (unless you add 2000kbs bitrate or just stick with 30fps) and that's where x264 is better in general just stick with 25-30fps , your sacrificing 25 to 50% image quality (goes blocky when your moving) to make it marginally noticeable smoother (so you got slightly smoother image of 60fps of squares) and it turns phones into hand warmers and drains battery faster if your cpu encoder streaming and gaming the 5900x the better choice as you can set the preset to slow or slower so it can recover really fast when moving around quickly If your using a 1660/2000 or higher GPU to stream the 5800x or 5900x is better option then the 5600x because your going to have stuff open that uses 1-2 threads of cpu (browser other stuff) but best to run at max bit rate 6000-8000kbs (1080p30)

@Torokk 3 года назад

@@GamersNexus I stream and encode from time to time and plan to probably buy an AMD GPU, how's the AMD Codec on that end? I have no clue.. in case it's not that great I can still stream on the CPU.

@GoodnotGreat88 3 года назад

The difference between "no mans land" and jack of all trades is a subtle one. I am primarily a gamer but also do some productivity work and some streaming where the extra cores are nice to have.

@WalrusGangMafia 3 года назад

This channel and Steve will permanently and unconditionally hold the FULLEST possible extent of my gratitude. As a relatively new PC builder I have saved countless amounts of time, money, and have gained priceless amounts of knowledge which I would normally not have. Thank you Steve and Gamers Nexus for saving me from being drowned in my own ignorance 🙏🏻

@GreatnessRD 3 года назад

Somebody gotta put that in a commercial one day "More numbers means more better". Y'all wild, lol

@Chibling 3 года назад

This actually wrong, many benchmarks "less number means more better" such as the time is takes to complete a task. But essentially yes, numbers.

@SuprSi 3 года назад

Getting this one regardless of weird price position. I want the better clocking and fully enabled die with all the cores accessing the same cache L3 cache with no inter-ccx latency. 5800X fits the bill!

@Hazzahead 2 года назад

Love your channel, subscribed 🔥

@bernardoespindola6991 3 года назад

"more numbers, more better" god I love this channel

@nathandick5673 3 года назад

interesting how looking at your charts I find a different conclusion. My primary PC usage is gaming, but I also heavily multitask while gaming, and I do light video and photo editing on the side. The price should be $50 cheaper, but even as is the 5900x doesnt feel worth the extra $100 over the 5800x, but I do feel the 5800x worth the extra $150 over a 5600x based on my usage and your results.

@xIcarus227 3 года назад

Pretty much this, if you're doing mixed workloads the 5800X makes sense even with this uneven price difference. Do check your local prices though. In my area the 5800X's price is very close to the middle point between the 5600X and 5900X (within 10-20 EUR). As I don't have uses for 12 cores I snagged the 5800X without hesitation.

@Longshotsz 3 года назад

It's around a 200$ difference in my country between the 5800x and the 5900x and even though I could benefit from the 4 extra cores they are not worth an additional 200$ imo Btw if your interested the 5950x is around 1700$ in my country

@johngaltline9933 3 года назад

The conclusion I came to is that the 5800x is a 10900k killer. if you had been the sort of person that might have bought a 10900k, as of today the 5800x does everything better for the same price.

@JHN322 3 года назад

I wish it was $50 cheaper but it is literally perfect for my usage while 5900x I would never take advantage off.

@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart 3 года назад

@@Longshotsz In which currency?

@lennard9331 3 года назад

I was expecting your R7 review to be the least positive towards the new ones, given that you guys don't really find the x800X series to make much sense to buy. Great work as usual, though!

@GamersNexus 3 года назад

Are we so predictable?!

@lennard9331 3 года назад

Always have been hahaha Your focus has always been on value and people getting the most out of their money, so your honest opinions are most appreciated, even if we can predict them

@ManoloDubidubi 3 года назад

@@GamersNexus Yes you are! I ordered my 5800X yesterday, I've been rocking an FX-8370 for years and I just wanted the 8-core thing to be real this time. :)

@Imhungoverful 3 года назад

Great Review! I do have one question related to the increase in cache in comparison to the 5600x. Seeing as how the upcoming RX 6000 cards will be utilizing the cache do you think the increase in cache will help with their S.A.M? This could be a case for the 5800x, just depends on how much of a difference and whether that will justify the $150 price difference.

@skavossis5377 3 года назад

I haven't watched the other reviews though :,

@Macho_Man_Randy_Savage 3 года назад

These graphs bring a tear to my eye...and some intel shareholder too.

@aboringuy 3 года назад

I laughed so hard at "MORE NUMBERS, MORE BETTER"

@koushiro86 3 года назад

Papa AMD’s

@enveloreal 3 года назад

yeah like 110909020k on 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

@koushiro86 3 года назад

@@enveloreal F to the Intel Core 3D i9-90210

@QuickVibe1 3 года назад

i can imagine gamer nexus benchmarking 12 hours in a row for 2 days straight to come out with a video like this. props man

@claudiustanescu6651 3 года назад

”More numbers = more better” Steve 2020 LMAO! best thing I heard this year

@Codyak13 3 года назад

It’s weird I still plan to get the 5800X, I understand it’s a bit irrational. I figure I upgrade so infrequently I’ll spend a bit more.Thanks for all the testing and info GN.

@egalanos 3 года назад

It's rational if it's the right fit for your current and future needs to not spend the extra money to upgrade 5900x.

@leexgx 3 года назад

@@egalanos same here I don't need the 5900x so why pay £100 more for 4 more cores I am not going to use (I can use that towards a 2tb ssd and gpu)

@Codyak13 3 года назад

@@egalanos I was more comparing it to the 5600X but yeah, you’re right about that.

@2007farenheit 3 года назад

I got me a 5800x. I’m happy with it. :)didn’t want just 6 cores n definitely don’t need 12 so I went right in the middle. I fig the 5600x would be a better value but Ive wanted the 5800x since amd announced the 5k series lol so I went with what I thought I’d be happy with. Money is only ever really wasted if your not happy with what u bought. If your happy with it then imo it’s worth every penny :)

@tomcarey3457 3 года назад

well the new consoles are on going to be optimized for 8 core games. Could be a better future proof choice. We will see

@Seohce 3 года назад

The problem when we talk about value, is we talk about games that are current, rather than thinking 2-3 maybe 5 years ahead. 6 Cores will start to fall off hard in 12 months (18 months max), when the console game creators start optimising games for 8-cores. As per the PS5 and Xbox X/S.

@joooseph22 3 года назад

*when* games optimize more cores, so just wait for a price drop to get your money's worth

@Seohce 3 года назад

@@joooseph22 I agree that the 5800x is overpriced by around 60-80$ RRP, however, if you are looking for an upgrade, I still think it's a solid CPU to power your system for the next 3-5 years no problem for AAA titles in 1080p/1440p

@robl5027 3 года назад

@@Seohce I agree, when I built with my i7 3770, dual core was "better for gaming". But people who built dual core were up for an entire system upgrade (or upgrade to a second hand 3770) after 2-3 years. Fast forward 8 years (with a GPU upgrade in the middle) and this build is finally done, I would like to get another 6+ years from my next build. Having said that, I still agree with the 5800x being overpriced, it just happens to be the CPU that suits my needs the best. I'll be waiting a couple of months anyway though, fingers crossed for a price drop!

@Pulverdings 3 года назад

Yep, bought a 4 core CPU, when everyone said 2 cores is enough and used it 7 years. Then bought a 4C/8T CPU when everyone said 4C/4T is enough and I still use it today, almost 7 years later. Still runs good, a old 4C/4T CPU really runs bad now. Going to get a 8C/16T as my next build.

@timothylloyd4625 3 года назад

I was applying this logic for a while since multi-core CPUs (especially around 2010) started becoming mainstream, but it took another 7 years before 4 cores wasn't enough. I do believe 6 cores will eventually be minimum spec but when that happens there'll be mainstream offerings cheaper and better than what we have now, so $150 (right now) saved will go to other things like a GPU.

@jackfoot1257 3 года назад

Just picked mine up today pretty awesome

@chrisspcchannel1535 2 года назад

keep it up man it helped me so much even tho i'm very late but helped a lot.

@greggmacdonald9644 3 года назад

Steve, I have to really commend you on doing "Time for a turn" for your Civ 6 benchmark. Unlike the FPS rating that every other reviewer seems to use, yours is USEFUL! Is there any chance you could post the savegame someplace, so that we can compare on our own systems?

@mattsmechanicalssi5833 3 года назад

Good idea.

@4Leka 3 года назад

Firaxis should introduce a Civ VI benchmark so other reviewers could more easily use it as well.

@ShroudedWolf51 3 года назад

@@4Leka Depending on how they implement it, though, it may still be better to do it manually if you want more consistent data.

@Ckrasis 3 года назад

I heard Linus mention this benchmark a couple days ago (I think referencing this test). It would be cool to have real world stuff like civ 6 turns more often, especially because I like Epic game duration and I go through a ton of turns. Maybe we can see compile times for large applications soon too

@xIcarus227 3 года назад

It's worth mentioning that prices will vary according to availability, I'm not sure how stable prices are in the NA but in Europe they tend to not really reflect MSRP. In my region the 5600X is ~330 EUR, the 5800X is ~485 EUR while the 5900X is ~620 EUR. So the 5800X is 155 EUR more expensive than the 5600X and 135 EUR cheaper than the 5900X; that places it very close to a middle-ground price between the 5600X and 5900X. In other words, it makes perfect sense buying this processor in my area. Always check your local prices boys and girls.

@basuo8378 3 года назад

True that mate, the 5900 is $160 AUD more then the 5800

@johncar11 3 года назад

Steve, you need a break man! We love your content and whenever you can schedule a week off, please do! I love GN content and how thorough it is, but I've been seeing the wear on you. I'm also jealous that you can do love a job this much to put so much time and effort into it.

@z0rrer0 3 года назад

Nice review. Thanks a lot

@zombiezoo1384 3 года назад

yess now the r 2600 will have a price drop so i can finally afford a athlon 200ge

@kawafahra 3 года назад

* Athlon XP

@kevinheld8912 3 года назад

highest all core clock, better than the 10700k in all cases (unlike the 5600x), in most cases it ties or beats the 10900k ($530), it appears to have the most impactful overclocking of the 5000 stack. It has its merits. You also point out that the 5800x is only 6% better than the 5600x in photoshop, while ignoring the fact that the 5900x is also only 6% better but is $250 more. not fair. The reason I went with the 5800x is the magical 8 core count, which I expect future games to be optimized for because of the new consoles (also 8 cores). I expect to see more fps gains when more games take advantage of all cores (which is already apparent in some games). Its important to realize that dx12 hits a wall at 6 cores, which makes having 8+ cores not great for most games, FOR NOW. This is probably going to change in the next iteration of DirectX. I bet in a few years 6 cores will be the new quad core and everyone will recommend at least 8 cores. Lastly, everything you said about the 5800x gaming performance value can be said about the 5900x. While the 5900x is obviously valuable for production stuff, its a terrible value for gaming. Which basically limits gamers to one cpu, the 5600x.

@jetrpg22 3 года назад

@@Ninja_Pro And the 10700k will probably scale better into the future than the 5600x. More cores means as apps use more core you get more benefit. (I wouldn't buy either of these atm but its not like its in a awful spot.) GN runs its benches on clean installs i assume (or testing benches), i have firefox and sometimes chome open and many more programs. I often watch videos listen to music, etc while gaming. ill often push 10-20% cpu easily before the game on my 8 core system. Do that on a 6 core and you have a large fight over processing power. But the 5800x is different its also 8 cores and it preforms very well core to core (better than the 5900x or 5600x), its is over priced but wait for the price drop, or not, and its a really good deal as a 4-5 year cpu. GN should run a test where they take up ~15% of cpu (or like x number of back ground programs) and then run their benchmarks to see the REAL world performance in games.

@jameshay6926 3 года назад

@Kiri Haimura zen 2 yes but not zen 3

@ilovehotdogs125790 3 года назад

@Muka Hadama not for zen 3 man. The 5800x is the best cpu for warzone. I don’t know about apex or overwatch though (zen 3 probably wins). Rocket lake might change that, but until then amd wins

@houseking9211 3 года назад

the 5800x is for the people who game and stream/render on the side

@ilovehotdogs125790 3 года назад

@Muka Hadama well you cant compare cold war and black ops 2, the graphics are on another level. And yes, 6 cores is definitely enough. I’m just saying the 5800x is the best gaming cpu, even though it’s not the best value in terms of # of cores. And I haven’t noticed bad 1% lows like you’re saying. Also the ps5 is cheap because sony makes more money off of game purchases, you can’t compare a PC with a console like that, a pc can do so much more than a ps5.

@Andrew-nn4ml 3 года назад

Steve, saw you respond in one of the comments that when the price drops this will be an awesome CPU. Ta-daaaa! lol I just picked up the Ryzen 7 5800X from Newegg Canada for $500 Canadian vs $1,029 Canadian for the Ryzen 9 5950X. Coupled with the EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra that the EVGA Queue Lords granted me, this CPU made perfect sense....love the build pads we got from GN - always enjoy your content, and always "liked" and am Subbed. Cheers.

@Joe-jc3bh 3 года назад

I pray you get some sleep. You've been working hard these past couple days!

@Glassesboi 3 года назад

Gosh the hurt I got when he said saving worst for last, when this was the one I got, it was solely for gaming. :(

@shubham601 3 года назад

And I plan on buying. But I disagree with Steve, yes the pricing should be around 400$ given that a 3900X retails at 450$ but 8 cores gives you a bit of futureproofing against a 6 core 5600X along with better transcoding for Plex or any other workload and a lot of games will now be 8 core optimized given that Xbox and PS4 are 8 core. 5900X being 100$ more might be better value in terms of cores but is certainly not worth it as a gaming PC as it might even perform worse in some games and only makes sense if you need it professionally and as Steve said you can buy a better GPU with those 100$.

@lostinchina8585 3 года назад

I got one too, but I have to compile code, so at least I have some justification. Truth is, this was the one in stock so I jumped on it

@Glassesboi 3 года назад

@@lostinchina8585 Exact same reason, it's actually weird that this was the only one that lasted long in stock. It was available for like a whole day in my country before I made the decision to buy it.

@kaiserped 3 года назад

"More Numbers - More Better" That's savage.

@joannaatkins822 3 года назад

A great finish from an advice perspective! I have a 3700x and an RX 5700 XT, so I will definitely be upgrading my GPU before I worry about my CPU, but for the time being I'm happy. It works well for content creation, and is fast enough for most games.

@BasedAstraea 2 года назад

"Yikes Hard Pass" hahaha lmfao 🤦🏻😂 I upgraded from a 4790K to 5800x, already had the 5700XT which the i7 was bottlenecking. with a 3700x you definitely don't need to upgrade even when Zen4 comes out. I will definitely upgrade the GPU when the RX 7000 cards come out.

@gusmaiawork 11 месяцев назад

Gamers Nexus is by far the most reliable channel when it comes to parts reviews and comparision, it's amazing the fact that you focus more on actual real world usage (like 3D and Adobe softwares) instead of just gaming and technical bs that the average PC builder can't get anything out of

@CultofThings 3 года назад

"Worth every penny" - Gamer Nexus Review

@ani0.biswas 3 года назад

This series has been more like murder in the orient express where every one of these cpu's took a shot against the 10900k and its super saiyaan(5.2ghz).

@brookscampbell2772 3 года назад

The "more numbers, more better" section is the funniest thing I've ever heard on this channel

@alfonsomartinez1984 3 года назад

Thank you for making this video.

@Mbd3Bal7dod 3 года назад

ME: oh finaly the one I could buy and wasn't out of stock Gamers Nexus: we saved the WoRst FoR LasT

@XiaOmegaX 3 года назад

As a 3800X buyer when it was the only thing in stock, there are worse fates.

@arthurcatch3494 3 года назад

Well the 5800X is not the worst CPU. There is just no reason paying 150$ extra for a minor performance boost

@bradley3549 3 года назад

One factor that I think is overlooked when running these benchmarks - the 5600x, 5800x, and 5900x are all very close in gaming during clean benchmarks. I'm not sure about you, but I usually game with maybe a zillion Chrome tabs, an idling VM, Shadowplay, discord, RDP session and who knows what else running in the background. Could I close it all, sure, but I'm paying for the privilege not to have to do that. Would a 5800x or 5900x pull ahead more significantly with a large number of background processes happening? I think it would be interesting. Maybe the 5800x makes more sense when you consider real-world scenarios as opposed to clean room benchmarking. I'd love to see that tested.

@Eskiimojoe1 3 года назад

strongly agree. also a definite argument for future proofing as well, since a cpu upgrade usually means a near whole system upgrade

@XPACT3 3 года назад

All you mentioned is more memory dependant than CPU but if you are heavy VM user I wouldn't even look at 5600X. Now for gaming it's more of a question whether we will see better parallelization than 6 cores anytime soon, which I highly doubt, but if that happens 5800X will age better than both 5600X and 5900X for real time dynamic workloads such as games since those two are 6 cores per CCX design and 5800X is single 8 core CCX eliminating inter core latency issues that may happen with 6+6 5900X

@KenanYusufTemel 3 года назад

@@XPACT3 Is it not 8+4? Then its a huge disadvantage.

@bradley3549 3 года назад

@@XPACT3 I agree memory is a primary consideration with a lot of background tasks - but they still use CPU cycles. I'm not a 'heavy' user. Most of my heavy stuff sits on servers where they belong, but never the less stuff gets to be local sometimes. And that said, I've observed my system hovering around 25% CPU utilization at idle often before launching a game. This is on an 8700k @ 5.0Ghz. I haven't bothered breaking down exactly where that comes from, but I suspect mostly discord with Krisp enabled, I'll pay more attention. There are already a number of games that benefit from >6 core, and I expect that trend will continue. The consoles all have 8 core now so it is really only a matter of time. I was strongly preferring the 5800x based on the same logic you laid out regarding CCX latency. But it doesn't seem like anybody else is really talking about that this generation - and lots of people are pushing the 5900x as the overall better value. Ultimately, whether I end up with a 5800x or 5900x is going to depend on which one I can actually get my grubby mitts on.

@XPACT3 3 года назад

@@KenanYusufTemel Sadly no, it probably has to do with stability but every configuration is X+X. That somewhat explains a price premium for 5800X since it is actually one perfect 8 core CCX. Inter core latency between two CCXs is still there. They managed to reduce latency between cores on the same CCX which is one of the reasons they are better at gaming now, but between two there is still average 80ns instead of very respectable 15-17ns in one CCX itself

@RyanKarolak 3 года назад

I ended up a 5800X. Happy with it so far, although I came from a 3770K. Was originally looking at the 5600X and 5900X, but never could find them in stock. Micro Center had 5800Xs in stock occasionally though, and managed to get one.

@roninviking 3 года назад

thanks captain, good form.. much helpfullness

@torqueroll1 3 года назад

The fully enabled CCX makes it more expensive probably due to yield.

@1barnet1 3 года назад

Doubt it considering it's a mature production process and the double 6-core 5900x isn't that much more expensive. I think it's a higher profit product. And considering it's still really good value compared to Intel products i can't really blame AMD for making some sweet sweet profit.

@uchoob246 3 года назад

^ This.

@zig131 3 года назад

@Predator Ex I don't know where you are getting that idea from. The 5800x bin is getting the WORST dies where all 8 cores are intact. You can see that in it's 105W TDP which is 61% greater than the 5600X despite only having 33% more cores and the same as the 5900x despite that processor having 50% more cores. The 5900X will be getting the best dies where only 4 cores are operational. EPIC gets the best fully intact dies but the 5900X bin is likely getting less worse dies than the 5800X.

@caribougoo349 3 года назад

Depends how you look at it. AMDs paying by wafer so all the ccd's cost them the same technically. The only cost to AMD is if they could have used the silicon for a higher margin ryzen 9 and that's their call

@1barnet1 3 года назад

@Predator Ex Probably true but the 5900x uses 2 dies and a more complex IO die. The production cost of the 5900x is probably in line with the 5950x. But of course AMD wants more money for their best binned CPU's. And i don't blame them for that. They've put in a massive effort on a single bet which in the end payed out for all PC enthusiasts and more. Yes i believe more lives will be saved because AMD made such fantastic CPU .As we currently see more and more super computers being ZEN based which will be used for critical research.

@WeirdNeville 3 года назад

GN seems to hate 8 core CPUs! It was cold on the i7-10700K as well. For me this CPU is the sweet spot: No need for the power of the 3900X (and I do edit videos, just not that much) but has 8 core all round ability as well as single CCX architecture. It's a great CPU but I think people are just struggling to swallow AMD's pricing regime this time around. I think in a few years the 5800X wil be holding up better than a 5600X becauuse of those extra cores- but $150 worth of 'more'? Hard to know.

@jpesicka999 3 года назад

Hard to know indeed. In my mind if I'm keeping it for awhile $150 doesn't seem alot, until you realize it's half the price of a 5600x. Steve is right it's like they didn't want to sell as many 5800x and used it to sell more 5600x and 5900x. Clearly an opening here for a 5600 and a 5800 non x sku. $249 for 5600 and $399 for 5800.

@WeirdNeville 3 года назад

@@jpesicka999 >it's like they didn't want to sell as many 5800x It might be that they know they *can't*. A CCX with 1 or 2 defective cores can become a 5600X, but for a 5800X every core on the die has to be viable. That reduces yield. Same with 5900X vs 5950X - the 5900X can use cast off parts. AMD are probably using the slight price hike to manage demand to fit supply.

@UltimateAlgorithm 3 года назад

@@WeirdNeville 5950x requires high boost clock. Any CCDs that have all cores functional but fail to reach boost requirements will likely become 5800x. edit: not only boost, 5950x also requires the best CCDs with lower voltage and less TDP requirement.

@WeirdNeville 3 года назад

@@UltimateAlgorithm there's also Epyc to consider, a bunch of the CCD's will end up there too.

@NickDiVona 3 года назад

I needed more than the 5600x offers for professional use but can't find a 5900x for anything close to MSRP so here we go, pulling the trigger on the 5800x. Very solid video, as always!

@johnhanson4795 3 года назад

love your videos.I would love to see a video of the id cooling zoomflow 240 rad keeps my 9900k at 20 to 25c all the time even overclocked at 5 gig barely gets above 45c.im amazed for a cheaper cooler

@13231wmw 3 года назад

The 5800X is still a good choice if you need to perform some workstation related loads but live in the many parts of the world where the price difference of US$ 100 becomes exponential in your local currency.

@drmeddenrasen7236 3 года назад

Or even the power costs ^^ Thats the reason why undervolting is for me more importend then OC, when you are paying 0.48$/kWh (0,41€/kWh) and also want min. 8 Cores xD

@Avantime 3 года назад

Unlike Nvidia and Intel, Ryzen here has turned out to match the US RRP + any sales tax.

@virtualtools_3021 3 года назад

@@drmeddenrasen7236 Where?!? island?

@jetrpg22 3 года назад

I actually feel the 5800x is the entry CPU for gamers who don't want a far weaker CPU than they should have in 2 years. If you are actually doing workstation stuff and its part of your $$$ / hobby the extra 100 are worth a 5900x

@KuraMad2000 3 года назад

When AMD's latest offerings are so OP, they're kicking the crap out of themselves..... 5000 series..... the berserker gen

@anew742 3 года назад

You guys really need to make a "more numbers, therefore more better" shirt

@movax20h 3 года назад

Hi Steve. Minor complain about charts presented. Like the one at 4:40. Can you make sure, really sure, your software sets the Y grid correctly to be sensible. Like set Y grid spacing there to 100MHz, not 75MHz, which feels unnatural and distracting. Otherwise awesome editing with highlights, traces delay, and blinking stuff / time remaining. Great stuff.