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Frigid Fate and Storm Swell are bugged! Actual testing on Lillith, not dummies 

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Frigid Fate is acting as a 1.3x multiplier to your additive cold Damage.
TLDR if you have 300% cold damage, the game thinks you have 390%
This is bad. A normal maxed out build will only see around an 8% increase in damage, not the 30% we expect.
Storm swell I can't quite figure out, but it's extremely low. My data showed an 11.5% increase, not a 30%. I would assume its some form of small additive vulnerable damage around 30 to 50%, not a 1.3x GLOBAL Multi as stated.
Instead of going from 10,000 to 13,000 damage, you will probably see a 5% increase in damage in a real end game scenario, not on a stripped down character.
I did actual testing on a real end game boss, and am linking all the data.
I used about half of what I recorded and stopped after hitting around 100-125 data points
Blizzard. Please do something about this. We are struggling.
Data Link - Updated it was private
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@eddyram4932
@eddyram4932 4 месяца назад
I started Sorc this season and it was fun leveling up and it was fun on low endgame, but the damage potential is so low that I had to switch to my old reliable Barb😂 sucks cuz I was really enjoying Frozen Orb gameplay.
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
so good leveling, just falls off late game due to a lack of raw stats. barbs get so much additive damage through weapons and tempers, we get nothing and don't have the multis or base skill damage to catch up. Our paragons need to give us like 50% vulnerable damage on nodes, NOT 20%
@Gaunerh
@Gaunerh 4 месяца назад
There is so many bugs around aspects and multipliers that its nigh impossible to understand whats actually going on without some in depth testing (not for casuals). Thanks for your efforts!
@tonyng9
@tonyng9 4 месяца назад
Sorc is really the "damage on Tuesday" class. Vulnerable to increase cold damage. Barrier to increase vulnerable damage. Burning to increase crit damage with extra to CC enemies (devouring blaze). Many builds require barrier, vulnerable, burning, crit, while close, while over 100 mana, and recently damaged enemies with 4 different elements in order to do max damage. Meanwhile, a necro just put points into Golem Mastery for ridiculously large multipliers.
@gobira26
@gobira26 4 месяца назад
menawhile barbarian and necro just hit 1 trillion and solo everthing ez
@dantemand3068
@dantemand3068 4 месяца назад
I'm almost full BiS on my Sorc, been spending endless hours farming this gear. I hit pit 82, and now I cannot go on. I'm sweating bullets trying to fight the boss with my pea shooter single target damage. Meanwhile my friend who never touched D4 in his life rolled a Necro is now cruising solo 100 Pits. This is absolutely absurd.
@TheMETALICA40
@TheMETALICA40 4 месяца назад
​@@dantemand3068git gud😂
@Finis.Terrae
@Finis.Terrae 4 месяца назад
I had almost 500% vuln dmg,48% crit,300+ crit damage and my Ice Shards were doing 45 k crits. Deleted Sorc and started leveling Barb. I am doing almost 300 k crits at level 66 with shitty gear.Cleared WT4 capstone at level 40.
@buzzb7848
@buzzb7848 4 месяца назад
Thanks for all your work Lurkin!
@Vanderoth-m1e
@Vanderoth-m1e 4 месяца назад
New Subscriber. Found you on Mobalytics. Using your Incinerate build. Absolutely melts. Tomorrow will have 13 ranks into incinerate. Great work. appreciate the builds and information., - VanderForge
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
Welcome aboard!
@zakk4223
@zakk4223 4 месяца назад
I think they wrote a bad description for Frigid Fate, and we got baited by it. Look at the wording. if "bonus damage to cold" is how they describe your additive cold damage, why wouldn't 'bonus damage to vulnerable' not also be additive? As you found, the "30%[x]" just refers to the multiplier against the cold damage bonus number. We just thought it applied to all damage as a multiplier because that's how they present that number everywhere else. Think about it tho, something like Aspect of Control (that is multiplicative) is worded like "you deal X%[x] MORE damage to..." not 'bonus damage'. Honestly the 'Current Bonus' line on Frigid Fate shouldn't have the [x] symbol. This is why they are saying it isn't broken, because by their data files it is doing exactly what it is coded to do. The tooltip is just poor. I bet they 'fix' this by updating the text
@zakk4223
@zakk4223 4 месяца назад
Looking at other class legendary nodes, none of them are worded like 'bonus damage to...'. They all say 'deal X%[x] increased damage' or similar. Even something like Druid Thunderstruck says 'increased damage equal to X%[x] of your (whatever) bonuses'. I think the question to ask anyone you can get ahold of at blizzard is "is Frigid Fate intentionally an additive bonus?'. (asking 'is it bugged' might just lead someone to conclude it's supposed to be additive and work that way). I can't explain Storm Swell, that tooltip is clearly lying if it isn't a multiplier.
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
nah frigid fate is worded as a 1.3x global multi to vulnerable enemies
@ViperXXL
@ViperXXL 4 месяца назад
I'm afraid we'll have to put up with this damage the whole season. I remember that we were the worst class when it was released and even then we got a really hard nerf to our passive in the big patch 1.10 😂😭 I think our best build after that was c tier
@bluefluxx
@bluefluxx 4 месяца назад
As I know the tooltip calculation done by this formula: vuln_from_gear_etc * 1.2 + 20. so 85*1.2 + 20 = 122. This logic some for the crit damage also: crit_from_gear_etc * 1.5 + 50
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
yeah don't look at the tooltip. It's incredibly scuffed and they just do a weird calculation the doesn't match the actual damage formula maxroll.gg/d4/getting-started/damage-for-beginners
@robb4566
@robb4566 4 месяца назад
Do you guys know if there are any necros recruiting sorcs for those skeletal mages position? Maybe that is all that is left to do now for sorcs
@wuuusaa
@wuuusaa 4 месяца назад
They would never pick us sorc players as there skeli mages. We doing not enough damage 😅
@tuba7861
@tuba7861 4 месяца назад
Sorcs and Druids need buffs to keep up with the other classes. I never want to hear a Barb ever complain again- it is clear their extra weapons give them a huge edge, Rogues to a lesser extent.
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
agreed. i think rogues are in a bad spot without a bugged victimize passive. the initial thought before discovering the victimize double dipping was that rogues were set to be the worst class by a wide margin
@zhenfeng1991
@zhenfeng1991 4 месяца назад
Guess wat , I dont think its gonna get fix anytime soon , or never
@fingers_7311
@fingers_7311 4 месяца назад
Sorcs need help, and they have bugs as well. Clearly they are also not looking into these things because the patch came out and 2 people have posted back maths back now. Cmon blizzard get onto fixing them!
@joelhodoborgas
@joelhodoborgas 4 месяца назад
They really need to work on sorcs.
@metallicafan416
@metallicafan416 4 месяца назад
How exactly do you know what they are looking at? Just because they weren't able to locate and fix the problem before the patch doesn't mean they aren't trying
@magicgg620
@magicgg620 4 месяца назад
The reason why Diablo 4 does not have DPS meter, so we cannot spot all the bugged interactions and multipliers :D
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
facts
@JP-hh3mt
@JP-hh3mt 4 месяца назад
Okay, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong - I just want to be clear because Sorcs are starved for damage right now and there are SO many bugs: 1) Frigid Fate is giving additive damage to cold. 2) Storm Swell is bugged and the number is bogus. 3) The Shredding Blades Aspect is bugged, but is it giving any damage bonus - or is it working AT ALL? I'm asking because I'm trying to Pit Push and I am running out of Aspects that I can use reliably AND I keep having to back and forth on my Paragon Board. And someone needs to make a definitive video on all the bugs the Sorcs have. I know Rogues have a lot of bugged builds, but Sorcs are not far behind.
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
shredding and storm appear to be doing what frigid fate does to cold but to vulnerable damage. Shredding blades seems intentional that way by the wording. storm swell is not. it should be a 1.3x global multi
@kevinsims5791
@kevinsims5791 4 месяца назад
Maybe you need to upgrade your vulnerabme damage? Maybe its multipling your vuln damage?
@ГригорийКовальчук-п3г
Thank you for clarification and tests
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
Someone has to do it, and its clearly not goldfarmingguide
@fabricevandenbossche4685
@fabricevandenbossche4685 4 месяца назад
@@Lurkin17 was wondering if you saw his video, and I now have your confirmation 🙃
@maksymperepelytsia3784
@maksymperepelytsia3784 4 месяца назад
Thanks for testing. I’d be appreciated if you update your paragon bord to FO build according tests information
@kirrrbbby
@kirrrbbby 4 месяца назад
The dev's response so far (on reddit) that "everything is working as intended" is much less defensible if you can demonstrate that your calculation and data collection is sound. I'd suggest to repeat these calculations for something that is working as intended to show you produce consistent values. Also -- I'm very skeptical that Icefall could possibly be working as intended since it would presumably be coded in a similar manner to ss and ff.
@norepatel3914
@norepatel3914 4 месяца назад
So... low survivability, low damage, needs a literal immortal build to push pits lol... sometimes I wonder why I'm still a sorc main Will fixing these bugs even make sorcs comparable to barb/necro/rogue dps...? An extra 15%x doesn't seem like much
@buzzb7848
@buzzb7848 4 месяца назад
Yeah fixing the vuln Bugs is propably not enough. Sorc needs some love
@flowqi212
@flowqi212 4 месяца назад
Why you are still Sorc main? Probably because the class ruled the last 2 seasons ;)
@ViperXXL
@ViperXXL 4 месяца назад
​@@flowqi212 last season Barb was the Big boogy woogy
@flowqi212
@flowqi212 4 месяца назад
@ViperXXL last season we only had Gauntlet and Sorc dominated. No plz don't complain that our Duriel kills took 4s longer ;-)
@ViperXXL
@ViperXXL 4 месяца назад
@@flowqi212 sorc was season 2 King. Last season "big fckng Hota 1hit kill all Barb" 😊
@Winterhe4rt
@Winterhe4rt 4 месяца назад
We all know whats going to happen: They say its working as intended and just rewrite the tooltips so it reflects the low damage...
@ybubaka
@ybubaka 4 месяца назад
So, if my build isn't cold at all, I shoud never use Frigid Fate, right? Because my additive damage with cold will never apply, and so I will never recieve any bonus from that legendary node.
@thecake122
@thecake122 4 месяца назад
Sorc bug since s0 and its still this bad in s4.....😅
@TheWilcoxExperience
@TheWilcoxExperience 4 месяца назад
I remember waiting for sorc buffs like almost a year ago. still waiting eh?
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
yup
@DarkConjurer34
@DarkConjurer34 4 месяца назад
It’s really sad that blizzard doesn’t do anything. We all need to swarm the forums if we want an actual change for sorc
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
i am losing hope. radio silence from them
@RR-RCB
@RR-RCB 4 месяца назад
ball light vid coming soon!? love you analysis!!!
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
I have a softball game tonight. I am shooting for friday or saturday. I think i will try to do Saturday 10AM weekly releases of a new build
@RR-RCB
@RR-RCB 4 месяца назад
Amazing, thx so much for all the guides!
@ErikByrwa
@ErikByrwa 4 месяца назад
Charge bolts still sucks. I have a simple solution though, hear me out. Sorc now gets three additional weapon slots, including a second two-hander, and can temper "Charge bolts cleaves and has 35%x damage". I mean, this is a tested, known way of improving any build. I'm not even asking for it to not take mana...
@ErikByrwa
@ErikByrwa 4 месяца назад
I'm starting to think sorc's role in Diablo 4's power fantasy is to give other players a point of comparison so they know "yes, my build is good because I can clear pit on farm in under five minutes at what a decked-out sorc can push at max". Its just sad. I always roll a sorc but I gave up this week and made a heartseeker rogue. Clearing 96 on farm in 5 mins and my poor sorc is on mid 80s as a push build with starless/crest.
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
i want a second amulet lol
@eritulizx
@eritulizx 4 месяца назад
I log in yesterday, I couldn't kill ANY elites at pit level 95, log in today, they die like butter. Fuck this game, I don't even know why I bother anymore.
@JetCooper3D
@JetCooper3D 4 месяца назад
Yep. Same here. Before the patch my build was melting everything. After the patch, the entire party struggled to kill anything and the boss fights went on forever...
@Dumbanana00
@Dumbanana00 4 месяца назад
I logged in yesterday post-patch to have the aspect on my staff 100% completely changed from Blizzard Ice Spike to a Meteor Based Aspect. I did not change staff and have never had a staff in my inventory with Aspect for Meteor. The staff was not accidently switched--it still had the same tempers for shadow and ice spike damage. It still had the same slotted jewels and same masterwork levels but the Aspect was set to Meteor one post-patch. Blizzard makes buggy games now days.
@cirihime9479
@cirihime9479 4 месяца назад
I bet blizzard say "oh shit, i recalculate sorc dmg, something is wrong, too big to fail, quick legal wordings "work as intended " and "something wrong with ur sorc build" and ima will be fair and nerf barbarian bash, hold on, ( so many barbarian population , quick control crowd, announce ""my mistake no nerf"". Meanwhile complain about sorc.nerf nerf nerf .sshhhh "work as intended ", sacrifice one class for barb and necro ) , dlc coming, busy,
@Lord_Andy666
@Lord_Andy666 4 месяца назад
Nice Video, so what should we do . Remove this two buged stats and use another ?
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
yeah try to get an extra board to slot unleash or just grab additive if you can get more than 90%
@Tauriz_
@Tauriz_ 4 месяца назад
Ah sh1t, here we go again.gif It's two classes they fuсked up that i know of: sorc and rogue. Oh well, thanks for the heads up.
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
at least rogue has a busted passive in a good way
@Tauriz_
@Tauriz_ 4 месяца назад
@@Lurkin17 true, victimize hits like a truck
@bastiancornejo4059
@bastiancornejo4059 4 месяца назад
tbf rogue still has other builds doing well but sorc is so baddd
@Tauriz_
@Tauriz_ 4 месяца назад
@@bastiancornejo4059 yeah i guess. It saddens me as i like playing sorc even tho i main rogue and dedicate like 80% of the playtime to that class. I'm still going to play both sorc and rogue regardless, even if those two classes will be the worst, sh1ttiest ones with no build that could get past pit 80.
@flowqi212
@flowqi212 4 месяца назад
They fck up every class (but Druid?) this season just in opposite directions -_-
@jareddeck603
@jareddeck603 4 месяца назад
Why they always fuck up sorc
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
they wont admit it too its annoying
@buddylord3020
@buddylord3020 4 месяца назад
@@Lurkin17 If I had to guess, it's because no popular streamers play Sorc and never have. Peeps like Asmongold play Necro..and it got big changes haha.
@TonyTheTerrible
@TonyTheTerrible 4 месяца назад
are you sure you dont have any paragon nodes that say "bonus non-physical" ? because these nodes and jewlry affixes affect all elemental dmg as a multiplier. ive been using enchanted glyph for this effect as well.
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
they dont affect elemental damage as a multiplier like conceited does. they affect the amount on non-physical damage in your additive bucket. the entire additive bucket however is a multiplier
@saberix3355
@saberix3355 4 месяца назад
will there be a ball of lightning showcase video? would love to see 1
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
yeah its coming, wanted to finish my gear
@kylecruz9935
@kylecruz9935 4 месяца назад
Is it advisable to use tyraels might and melted heart of selig for sorc build?
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
tyraels maybe, but not really needed as all sorc builds are heading in the flame shield duration and ranks on chest route. selig is just too big of a damage loss imo
@kylecruz9935
@kylecruz9935 4 месяца назад
@@Lurkin17 Thanks! I appreciate it.
@Aridity12
@Aridity12 4 месяца назад
Would you happen to know if Icefall and Icy touch are also bugged? Thank you
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
i think icefall is fine, according to reports. Im not sure about icy touch, but its just a few skill points so its doing "something" for little investment
@SpeedDemon69
@SpeedDemon69 4 месяца назад
Does this also mean if you aren't playing a cold damage build, frigid fate doesn't give you any damage?
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
if someone does this test with a shock skill and gets 15% as well, then I am wrong and something is just super bugged with it. Time and time through testing we arrive at 15-17%. However every test has 300% cold damage for the most part. Im not sure exactly, this is just what my data is telling me.
@dantemand3068
@dantemand3068 4 месяца назад
At this point, just remove Sorcs from the game. They obviously messed up with launching this class. Just rip the bandage off and force EVERYONE to play Barb. God I hate this company sometimes.
@rebelsoulja77
@rebelsoulja77 4 месяца назад
even if they do fix it we cant compare with the crazy damage outputs of other classes ! this is just cruel man , they made this class do petty things only like speedfarming and low stuff what a goddamn shame ! why others gotta get so much fun and dopamine running through them with those crazy numbers and we should drown down there ? yea it can survive a little more due to immortality but so what !!!! it seems to me they really don't like this class themselves lol ! this is an abuse to all mages out there ...
@jesusplaza6922
@jesusplaza6922 4 месяца назад
hahahahhahahaha that ending was epic.
@flowqi212
@flowqi212 4 месяца назад
So in retrospective, did the switch from test dummy to lilith do anything?
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
yeah. testing dummy actually did arrive at around the same result
@flowqi212
@flowqi212 4 месяца назад
@@Lurkin17 ok ty, good to know. I'll do some additional tests as well and add my findings to your Reddit post (if valuable)
@flowqi212
@flowqi212 4 месяца назад
​@Lurkin17 I've added my findings to your Reddit post. The quick summary: Without vulnerable I see almost exactly the calculated damage, with vulnerable my numbers are about 20% too low 😑.
@Jusedofus
@Jusedofus 4 месяца назад
Noooo :(
@joelhodoborgas
@joelhodoborgas 4 месяца назад
Inst frigid fate supposed to give 30%[x] of you total vulnerable damage, and not a direct 30% dmg multiplier? like if you had 100% vulnerable dmg, the node would give you 30% more = 130% vulnerable dmg
@Maginator1
@Maginator1 4 месяца назад
Yup
@Lurkin17
@Lurkin17 4 месяца назад
No, not in this case. The comparison is to shredding blades which is worded as 30% vulnerable damage. Frigid fate is literally worded as you DEAL BONUS DAMAGE [x] to Vulnerable Enemies. It is not worded as you deal bonus VULNERABLE Damage. The key difference is DAMAGE TO VULNERABLE ENEMIES indiciating a global 1.3x damage buff. Not increased VULNERABLE damage. do you see the difference
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