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From Text to Interpretation: How the Bible Came to Mean Some of the Strange Things It Means 

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James Kugel, director of the Institute for the History of the Jewish Bible at Bar Ilan University, argues that the Hebrew Bible was, from the beginning, the Interpreted Bible. In the third and second centuries B.C.E. - well before the last books of the Bible were written - groups of interpreters were puzzling over the stories of Abraham and Sarah, Jacob and Esau, and other ancient figures. Their interpretations were often fanciful, and sometimes wildly inventive, but their grasp of the very idea of the Bible is still with us and continues to influence today’s readers. [6/2013] [Show ID: 24917]
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@Jan96106
@Jan96106 11 лет назад
Anyone who says it is a waste of time studying the Bible has no idea what they are missing. How sad that they will never read First Corinthians 13, one of the most beautiful definitions of love ever written. They will never wrestle with the questions about human suffering deeply pondered in Job, Psalm 73 or Ecclesiastes.
@delgadopodcast
@delgadopodcast 4 года назад
00:00 Introduction 03:30 Adam & Eve Misconceptions 06:12 A&E Meanings: Farming, Clothing 08:26 Early Assumptions 08:50 Assumption: Bible is not to be taken literally 09:13 Assumption: Bible is mainly a book of lessons 10:18 Assumption: Bible is consistent (no contradictions) 10:55 Assumption: Bible is divinely inspired by God 11:55 Contradictions in Adam & Eve Story 12:40 Adam didn’t die after eating forbidden fruit? 13:20 God’s days are different than ours? 15:18 Why didn’t God kill Adam that day? 15:30 Eating fruit made Adam & Eve mortal? 16:38 We all die because of Adam & Eve? 17:24 Why punish all people with death? 18:05 Sinfulness was hereditary? 18:40 Fall of man in IV Ezra 19:30 A&E a story of morality & mortality? 20:27 Cain & Abel story 21:20 Birth story of Cain (acquired a man) 23:35 Eve got pregnant by wicked angel? 25:46 Eve gave birth to Abel 25:58 Cain & Abel story 26:28 Shouldn’t Cain be mad with God? 27:49 Cain feels God doesn’t care (no justice) 28:30 No argument between Cain & Abel 30:33 1 John: Love one another (not like Cain) 31:38 God doesn’t know where Abel is at? 32:38 Divine omniscience not assumed in O.T. 34:15 Josephus: God knew Cain killed Abel 35:10 Josephus: God wants Cain to confess 36:16 Gap in time between Cain’s responses? 37:28 Story of Jacob 38:25 Esau is good hunter, Jacob is with mom 39:10 Was Jacob studying at home all day? 40:14 Jacob spent time in tents studying? 41:17 Jubilees: Jacob studied 42:48 Abraham first monotheist (not confirmed in O.T.) 43:30 Abraham & Isaac Story 44:19 Why did God need to test Abraham? 45:35 Jubilees: Wicked angel tells God to test Abraham? 48:24 “After these words, God tested Abraham” 49:44 Binding of Isaac 50:45 Angel says “now God knows?” 52:19 Jubilees: God says to angel “I know” 53:23 Interpreters had motives & assumptions 54:22 Summary of O.T. stories & interpretations 55:10 Interpretation always drives understanding. 56:06 Bible is not to be taken literally. 56:38 We should appreciate these interpretations
@keiman7096
@keiman7096 10 лет назад
Well, however we interpret it, it is important to understand the intentions of the author, and apply it to the social structure of the times.
@JamesEPowell
@JamesEPowell 8 лет назад
Why?
@BradyPostma
@BradyPostma 4 года назад
When there is ambiguity in the text, subtext and context can clarify. Also, if you want to know whether a command or moral lesson in the story is meant to be a moral law that you are being told to live by, context and subtext can make clear whether the lesson is meant for the reader or whether the story is a commentary on such advice. That is the same method of analysis used outside of religion, in law and literary analysis and such.
@Lance_Thorpe_Esq.
@Lance_Thorpe_Esq. 3 года назад
And how would an intelligent, honest person "understand" the intentions of a person writing in a dead language 5,000 years ago? If there is a god...It, He, She is not very intelligent. Almost everything he wants to accomplish is thwarted by the shortcomings of his creation. And everything he does or creates seems to have opposing effects on all or most of its intended audience.
@lwplwp
@lwplwp 3 года назад
Why is it impossible to find historical accounts of the Exodus without pretending biblical "history" really happened? We don't pretend other mythology is real...Why should Jewish mythology be any different?
@mikedayherriman
@mikedayherriman 6 лет назад
James Kugel... as always, is right on. This was an excellent video. Thank you for posting this.
@Jan96106
@Jan96106 11 лет назад
If they read great works of English literature (perhaps they also think those a waste of time), they won’t understand even one of the myriad Biblical allusions these authors use to enrich their works with meaning. Ignorance of a book that has had such a massive influence on literature, music, painting, history, mythology is not cause for celebration.
@HeroQuestFans
@HeroQuestFans 6 лет назад
that's another key point. fundy atheists will say the bible is old, therefore outdated, therefore studying it is a waste of time (we only need to know enough to reject it as superstition). by the same token, we should reject ALL literature of the past, because it in some way no longer reflects the cultural zeitgeist, opinions or values of whatever dominant culture in which one finds one-self. thus, there is no "timelessness" to Shakespear or Chaucer or Melville or any of these writers. even the "best sellers" of today will be obsolete in the near future, perhaps in a generation! Authors don't always account for every possible meaning their work can inspire. if the scriptures are divine, could they contain meanings the original human authors could not have foreseen that are still valid? poetry has that power.
@HeroQuestFans
@HeroQuestFans 6 лет назад
greatly enjoyed his book "How to Read the Bible," very insightful for bible students. the literalism of modern fundamentalists and secular critical scholars leaves a lot to be desired, and ignores how the bible was actually used for millennia. pure "reader response" is dangerous yes, but this idea that nobody ever understood the bible after it was written UNTIL NOW is also fraught with problems. of course, Christians have always preached on the Gospel on Sundays and sought to apply it to today. Kugel deals with the Old Testament, which Christians have also, always tried to interpret in light of Jesus, who in turn they apply to themselves and future generations. Kugel draws upon Jewish and Christian insights into the texts, which provides a worthy alternative to the dry, critical scholarly analysis (which is important, but again, doesn't account for how people actually use the bible). critical scholarship is very helpful and necessary, but it's not the full story. in this book Kugel encourages readers to learn what the "ancient interpreters" saw in these texts, and seek that tradition... otherwise we're left with a text that hasn't been relevant in thousands of years. I'm sure fundy atheists would be happy with THAT latter verdict, but they've already dismissed every viewpoint except the sectarian 19th century interpretations anyway. most of them seem to have no awareness of the bible's history or context.
@Froggy711
@Froggy711 Год назад
We see evidence of two different Genesis stories being mashed together in the bible... I wonder if the existence of two trees- one of Life and another of Knowledge of Good and Evil are another example of this, and the consequences of eating from both (mortality and sin) were both combined as well, though the bible "forgets" to have Adam and Eve eat of the tree of Life.
@Jan96106
@Jan96106 11 лет назад
signs of the arbitrary nature of the divine, the possibility that Cain didn't make his offering with the right frame of mind. Everyone acknowledges the theme of sibling rivalry and jealousy in the story. I guess a couple of these hint at hidden stories added by redactors, but the existence and knowledge of those stories are not necessary to come up with these modern questions and interpretations.
@RWM0000
@RWM0000 11 лет назад
"A steaming pile of donkey pooh". Wouldn't Candy Floss taste better?
@cynthiagarret8550
@cynthiagarret8550 4 года назад
I'm curious who was the author of genius that written it ? God gave instructions Was it adam that written it They was the only two in the garden of Eden
@steveb2662
@steveb2662 4 года назад
Alberto Pepperoni.. Absolute historical fact..Moses did not exist.
@Freezencrash
@Freezencrash 6 лет назад
You first have to believe it's true. I'm not so sure it was ever meant to be understood literally so much as it is allegory. It's written as a story about a story about something else to explain what's never explained.
@jayjayjay4369
@jayjayjay4369 10 лет назад
.Scripture has only one interpretation and it is found in the author's intent, not in the reader's intent. So if you seek the author's intent you will correctly interpret and if you seek your own intent then you will find your own evil reflected back at you.
@HeroQuestFans
@HeroQuestFans 6 лет назад
@jay jayjay. what if the author's intent was not literalistic? What if the author intended multiple layers of meaning? at least if you're a Christian, you are forced to accept this proposition, because the NT draws heavily on symbolic interpretations of many key OT passages. then again, many parts of the OT are clearly allegorical, metaphorical, or else the biblical editors and canonists would have been madmen, who knowingly stitched together and laid side by side contradictory stories and accounts (and nobody seemed to notice or mind all this time).
@dorsk188
@dorsk188 5 лет назад
I think any reading of the New Testament and Early Christian history that's detached from religious motivation would have to concede that it was far too chaotic and disjointed for there to be a significant amount of "deeper meaning" to the contradictions between Gospels and constant tug-of-war over doctrine. Were there different non-literal non-historical ways of reading and talking about things in the period? Absolutely (and that goes for pagans as well and cultural translation is often difficult because of it). But it's an incredible jump to say that embracing these differing accounts as all somehow authoritative would make early Church leaders "madmen" unless they had some intricate poetic lens to decipher it all. It seems pagans accepted differing supernatural accounts of purported history without much difficulty, too. And it's worth remembering that we know through figures like Marcion of Sinope that this laxer view of canonical consistency wasn't universal, anyway. Marcion seems to have read his Bible the way that many literalists of the modern era do and came to a similar conclusion as Thomas Jefferson did: that to get the Bible right, he had to edit it himself. And unconstrained by thousands of years of tradition: Marcion's results are notable for how thoroughly liberated he was from having to deal with those inconsistencies. But in general most second and third-century Christians (like modern people today) probably just reproduced and spread what sounded good to them and what they thought was potentially authoritative. How was some second-century house church in Thessalonica supposed to know for sure whether the authors of Luke or John got some particular story right? All they know is that someone told them Luke wrote one and that John wrote the other. The most reasonable thing for a scribe to do is reproduce both and trust the direct revelatory nature of God to guide people to the truth. Because of the early Apocolyptic nature of Christianity, it's very likely that nobody really cared all that much about the details in the generation or so that saw the Gospels written, or about how generations of descendants will have to sort through this mess. *Jesus was coming back any day now!* Just do your best to prepare and prepare everyone else. It was the third and fourth century period when it seems like a lot of the diversity was winnowed away, and likely vastly more contradictory material was destroyed or lost to history. We still can only guess at how discordant the first and second century was for Christianity as a movement.
@glutinousmaximus
@glutinousmaximus 5 лет назад
The 'author' was probably by committee. Whoever owns the pen and has the loudest voice :0)
@noahurdats6320
@noahurdats6320 11 лет назад
that means they die spiritually not carnally...
@txvoltaire
@txvoltaire 11 лет назад
"It's not to be taken literally. It's obviously referring to all manufacturers of dairy products!"
@Lance_Thorpe_Esq.
@Lance_Thorpe_Esq. 3 года назад
LOL
@Jan96106
@Jan96106 11 лет назад
You seem to be assuming that anyone who is a Jew or or Christian (I'm neither) is ignorant about the history of the Bible. While that may be true for a few rigid, fundamentalist sects of Christianity who still call for a literal interpretation of the Bible, German historical biblical criticism began in the 1800s and historical criticism is a requirement for any theology student, has been for a very, very, very long time.
@arturoesquina4364
@arturoesquina4364 4 года назад
I like how at 2:03 he says how they just make up what the anciant language says kuzz there's know one around to correct them ... Jokes are based in truth
@carlosacosta8141
@carlosacosta8141 4 года назад
He didn’t say or allude to that in the slightest. He was joking, rather, about the potentially improper pronunciations of biblical Hebrew words by modern scholars, and how there’s no one around to correct them for it because it’s a dead language. Translation wasn’t mentioned at all - let alone making it up.
@sdscipio
@sdscipio 4 года назад
Great presentation 🙌🏾
@mariopantoja8259
@mariopantoja8259 2 года назад
Take that hit off that tree. Lol
@PADRAEG
@PADRAEG 11 лет назад
did he really say 'kicked the PEAR out of the garden?"
@angelasterling6272
@angelasterling6272 7 лет назад
kicked the pair (adam and eve)
@BradyPostma
@BradyPostma 4 года назад
aPEARently he did.
@joycenonhlanhlavilakati7161
@joycenonhlanhlavilakati7161 5 лет назад
Very insightful and defensible according to sound interpretation theory. I was expecting that Kugel's position is going to be attacked by naive historicists who brandish the idea of "author's intent". There is no such thing - at least it is not accessible to successive reading communities since the publication of the earliest biblical manuscripts. No one can read the minds of long dead authors to know their intent behind the texts they wrote.
@BradyPostma
@BradyPostma 4 года назад
Taking "death of the author" literally
@jackiemarianickerson3203
@jackiemarianickerson3203 2 года назад
Jesus was not a man he was God and without sin!
@philipbuckley759
@philipbuckley759 7 лет назад
the cultures, around this time do not seem to be this primitive....check Egyptians and such....
@Jan96106
@Jan96106 11 лет назад
I'm not sure I see how these fanciful interpretations still influence us today. For example, Cain and Abel is part of the tradition called the hostile brothers myth. Versions of it are found in mythologies of different countries. But modern interpretations of the Bible puzzle over the meaning of the story. They wonder why God choose Abel's sacrifice over Cain's. They suggest all kinds possible interpretations: the society's preference for a nomadic existence over agriculture,
@Jan96106
@Jan96106 11 лет назад
Archaeological evidence supporting the Bible is not what I meant. But I get the impression you are firmly entrenched in your beliefs and don't want to know what modern day Jews and Christians actually believe.
@biblesupportsflatearth5945
@biblesupportsflatearth5945 3 года назад
Why can't we find the original texts the LIARS translated?????
@Tubulous123
@Tubulous123 4 года назад
Yes!!! Thank you!!! 1Nation4Life
@malcolmwatt4866
@malcolmwatt4866 4 года назад
Right off the hop: His popular description of Genisis is much more recent than he ascribes. It is the modern pop culture version he is repeating. I like the throw-away joke though; "There's No one around to correct your pronunciation". In my, view that's a very revealing statement. How about this, 'you get away with crap because there is no one around who will bust you'.
@robertmessenger8913
@robertmessenger8913 4 года назад
The speaker's cute little smirk says it all . . . and the patronizing pseudo-intellectualism, betraying the duplicity of his motivating spirit. I have seen this all before. No doubt he will show himself again and again in the days to come. Very cleverly costumed since the day of first rebellion in Eden; still posturing, still posing, masquerading as the voice of light and reason. Yet knowing his sham all the while. And knowing also that he cannot, and will not succeed. Any man or woman who truly wants to know the truth can find it. Ask. Seek. Knock.
@surgeneral108
@surgeneral108 2 года назад
Interpretation? ...this whiney lecture is a interpretation 👎🏿
@babelnumber5
@babelnumber5 11 лет назад
I can't believe anyone would waste their time to study the bible. Despicable!
@frankfeldman6657
@frankfeldman6657 4 года назад
Anyone who wishes to appreciate much or even most of the great Western canon-music, literature, art, etc. needs to know the Bible. As a professional ignoramus, I'm sure this is of no consequence to you. :-)
@Nexus-ub4hs
@Nexus-ub4hs 4 года назад
Should everyone do what you want?
@1allstarman
@1allstarman 5 лет назад
this guy is full of crap ." there was no devil in the story ? Nachash , serpent, the shining whisperer , to deceive ,enchanter , to cast a spell using repetition in music ...
@BradyPostma
@BradyPostma 4 года назад
In Numbers 21:4-9, Moses is commanded by the Lord to raise up a bronze serpent on a pole so that the Israelites can look on it and be saved. What is your interpretation of this passage?
@gregoryleonwatson8631
@gregoryleonwatson8631 5 лет назад
No Jokes Please. Stop it with the jokes.
@stevenv6463
@stevenv6463 3 года назад
No!
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