FSD Can't Do This In 🇨🇳 - Huawei Inside Lets The AVATR 11 Drive Itself In Cities And On Highways 

Yup. Protectionism does one thing. It makes the side you're defending from even stronger because they just go find better ways.

@@InsideChinaAuto 曾经清朝因为闭关锁国灭亡，现在美国不是在走同一条路？

告诉你一个好消息。华为带着新的麒麟芯片 9000s 和 5G回来了。今天在中国大陆已经开始售卖 Mate 60 Pro 了

yea...they just released a chip that was on par with the best one....and took the biggest market share. what a time would have been if they wouldnt have been blocked... Now with cracking the blockade they will hopefully get back to where their place is.

Time to get the mate 60 pro

Agree. I absolutely love how this car looks, it captivated me every time I looked at it.

再等等今年底的问界 M9

What is the best number 1?

I live in Zhejiang and have only been there once.

​@@user-pt8yy3od2yaito wenjie m9

然而并没有

I hear you. Hope for more of that too. We live in divided times and it needs calm heads on both sides, plus a bit of realism.

@@malagebide等咱们强大到一定程度再看看😊

​@@malagebidesb

你在希望老虎吃素吗？这种事情并不会发生

They're coming up with some brilliant stuff and really offering a lot of choice now. How they keep these prices going we'll have to see.

It's about time for them to worry. We have been over charged for decades now.

Legacy auto have been lazy and slow to innovate, they forgot cars ultimately should represent the culmination of modern technology.

@markuc Indeed. If anything they've held back to preserve their status quo and now the revolution has arrived.

You do know WHY chinese cars are so cheap.... right? I'll just say it is not a clean business, even by car industry standards.

Thank you so much. Really appreciate your views and compliments.

'Free markets' and 'the international rules-based order' are the two biggest scams ever perpetrated by the US marketing machine.

What do you mean with truly compete with Hawaii, there are many companies doing Autonomous driving in the us

@@Gamer-kn7fi I mean truly compete based off free-trade and competition. It is so clear to the world that America doesn't really believe in free-trade, hard core competition..on quality and price....America hates China for real now because American can't compete on quality as well as price...research what Elon Musk said a few weeks ago about China's competitive edge that can put a ton of American automakers out of business

Love that AVATR 12. Can't wait to give it a go

After the optimization baptism of hundreds of millions of people continues to send back their driving big data, we can expect Huawei's ADS to make amazing progress in a short period. A large number of high-income high-quality car owners is the most important advantage of the Chinese people's research on ADS.

@@UncleC 这是不是用翻译软件翻译的？读起来不像自然语言。

​@@UncleC竟然看到好奇大叔，点开确认一下，真的是大叔。😂🎉🎉🎉

​@@UncleCOmg. My uncle 😊

Exactly this. They aren't crap anymore, unless you buy an LSEV which are the cheap little electric cars made to look like other known brands, but even Wulings and Baojuns are decent now.

For the Chinese, clothing must be cheap and comfortable, which is the dignity that everyone must respect. It is a crime to make people unable to wear decent clothes if they are too expensive. But cars are different. As a transportation device, they may bring safety hazards to owners, their families, or other users in public areas. Therefore, they must be safe and reliable regardless of cost, because money cannot measure life. This is what they deal with the attitude towards the epidemic previously is obvious, different value difference price, totally fair enough.

right

​@@UncleC大叔无处不在😂

​@@UncleC一些日用品、衣服质量不好主要原因是因为中国电商平台竞争激烈，不光商家直接竞争，各个平台之间为了留住更多买家而互相压价导致一些工厂只能控制成本。而家电、汽车不一样，质量必须过关，这不是只便宜就行的

Certainly in China it is, and this was the old version. Should be much better now.

A lot of Chinese cities are very green. Doesn't make for easiest to use pavements in some places.

Much appreciated Dave. Desired effect achieved. Thank you very much.

And this is the old version now. It's been updated since.

Very much so. Love this car.

It's a really impressive system, I was quite shocked as this video was the first time I used it properly after dabbling with it the night before.

Cheers Tobi. The car did most of the work.

They are, 100%. They're doing awesome things.

You're welcome. Thank you.

Committed to dialogue, unlike most of our global leaders.

No problem mate. Glad you liked it.

That's you going on my Christmas card list.

I've been curious about that. I'll have to do an extended test in one one day.

i use fsd on food delivery part no problems for me 😅

Awesome, welcome back when you make it, and glad you liked the video. As for what to choose, honestly it's not easy. Personally I think cars like AVATR and Zeekr offer better value for money than NIO which are priced quite high but are built very, very well. By next year I expect Zeekr will have a lidar upgrade (I've seen them testing) so it'll be even stronger and they look and drive great, AVATR will have what I expect will be a new sedan, and NIO might have their ADAS system running on full city and highway set up too, so really it comes down to what style of product you want and what you prioritise. Also who knows what else will be on the market by then or what prices everything will be. Best suggestion is to really try them, have a test, and usually one will speak to you more than the others.

问界 m5 智驾版

@@fxxk_your_horseB- Sure, but the M5 is very, very boring to look at.

@@InsideChinaAuto 100% M5 is so boring, uneventful. total disaster.

@@lifeofmichaely3556 They'd honestly be decent if they just spiced up the design like on the AVATR. They need an identity of some sort and they don't have it yet.

Thank you very much

These guys are pushing like crazy. Making a mockery of the sanctions.

Definitely challenges still ahead in this field. Right now I think humans are what's holding it back most though.

​@@InsideChinaAuto

Glad you enjoyed it John and great to have you back again. It really is an impressive system. I'm always apprehensive about what they'll do but as you said, it did almost everything smoothly. This car uses lidar, yes, as well as the usual millimetre wave radar and cameras, the whole bunch. Lidar primarily has use for long distances to my understanding, seeing in the dark, such as debris on a dark motorway at 200+ metres, but can be useful in closer scenarios too. Cameras inevitably paint the picture the car sees as lidar and radar can't read traffic lights (as far as I know), the rest is really kind of combining experience and understanding, which is a hard task as there are so many roads that will look nothing like anything the car saw before.

And only getting better

Yeah, I was surprised by that too. Didn't expect them to be there and was really unsure what was going to happen but it handled it really well.

@@InsideChinaAuto I’m just about at the end of the video and super impressed. As good as tesla is without LiDAR it’s growth will always be stunted. The new hw4 is supposed to have hi def radar but so far everything hw4 seems terrible. This was truly a unreal display of autonomous driving by the Huawei

@kottuning3294 Handling that stuff at the end wouldn't be easy for a human, some roadworks here are all over the place, but I thought it did really well the rest of the way. Might just have liked it to be a tad more decisive but that's how you risk bad headlines that autonomous driving doesn't need if it's going to get chance to succeed.

Not so long ago, LiDAR were so expensive mainly used for mapping streets and AI. Through tons of competition and scale, Chinese are able to make them so cheap. Now having three LiDAR is standard for new EV.

​@kottuning3294 It is always a winning hand to bet that companies like Tesla who have spent billions on FSD research know far about what works and what doesn't than a rando RU-vid expert 😂

They've done a really good job with this and sure there's more to come.

It's a very good system, as is XNGP, coming very soon to the channel.

It's a great system. Not perfect yet but none of them are.

Love the AVATR 12 from the pics, really nice. And you're not wrong about this market and these brands. Such good stuff and so much more to come.

The Avatr 12 has already been on the market since November 10, 2023, priced at 320,000 RMB (approximately 41,000 USD). I think another even better Huawei-designed car is Chery's Luxeed S7, which has just been launched for sale at 258,000 RMB (35,000 USD): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BjBDeBqUX9U.html

Not bad, right?

You're welcome. Looking forward to testing updated versions.

Awesome. Should be even better now.

It did very well. Looking forward to testing it out on more difficult roads soon.

问界的外形太难看了！

Exactly. That for me makes autonomous driving systems a little pointless at the moment, but I guess they have to start somewhere. It is more relaxing for me to be in control of what's happening than having to always check the car is doing the right thing.

​@@InsideChinaAuto他怕你睡着了，才有这个设置，其实淘宝买个配件挂在方向盘上，你就不用手碰触方向盘，他自己随便跑，市区不建议用，高速可以

@@lguo2615没事少学办公室小野

@@lguo2615用矿泉水瓶子塞在 方向盘即可

@@InsideChinaAuto Because of China's traffic laws, but the new laws have been passed and are expected to come into effect by the end of this year, there should be no need to regularly touch the wheel by then.

I'm a massive fan of this car and can't wait for the new one. This car grabs my attention every time I see one. Really love it.

@@InsideChinaAuto 我对这辆车不太了解，即使我可以很方便的去阿维塔11的4s店。但是我对华为车机系统和智能驾仓很有信心，我试驾了问界/AITO M5，真是一辆好车，有超水平的人机互动智能。阿维塔11使用的同样是华为技术，所以我会认同他。你知道的，中国EV最近实在太多品牌了，让人看花了眼，但是有华为技术支持的品牌总是可以引起更多人的注意，特别是我这样的中国人。

Thank you. More to come from the others in this field very soon.

Oh they will, keep your eyes out for them. Never owned anything from Huawei yet but I know people who have and they liked their stuff.

Yeah I just saw their latest video with the tech in the Luxeed. Looked amazing.

You're welcome.

It is. Really good system.

Are there none there at all?

It's not allowed. Even if you manage to buy one overseas and ship it to Taiwan, you can't get it licensed so you won't be able to drive it on the road... 🥲

@@peggy_tan That's a bummer.

别想了 ，

The car did most of the work.

It really is. I love this car.

Not bad, right?

It did really well. Looking forward to trying the updated versions.

Might be something to do with where it comes from.

因为美国不想看到huawei😂

cos the US doesn't want anyone to know about this lol

@@InsideChinaAuto fair enough 😂😂😂. The fear of Chinese innovation in the USA is real.

@@user-zy4nh3bj3b笑死，中国政府都不让特斯拉fsd进入，真他妈坑

How long are your journeys that range would be a concern? In the UK at least 99% of journeys are under 100 miles.

@@InsideChinaAuto There aren’t that many charge stations outside of major cities in Australia, most of the time it should be fine, but when you go on a road trip during holiday, you really need to check and plan ahead. That said I think it is a good option as a second car in the family

It does. Love this one a lot.

Pretty good, right?

It's an awesome car and stunning too.

I think I agree. Absolutely love this car.

It's really good, great car, impressive tech.

Hopefully they become available where you are.

No doubt about that. The gap will only get bigger

​@@InsideChinaAuto The US🇺🇲 is loosing because their Brains went back to China🇨🇳😀

Doesn't sound like an ideal situation.

now i really want to see that tested, unfortunately Indian law make it difficult to import, we would need to somehow find a right hand drive version...

LiDAR usually has advantage over regular camera.

India doesn't have ebough hardware environment,like 5G,Beidou，to support ads

no :). AI will be confused seeing cows on the roads.

Not bad, eh?

@@InsideChinaAuto Make a self driving for Indian Road now. LOL! I really want to see if any AI is remotely capable for that. 😅😂

@aniksamiurrahman6365 Now that's a challenge.

Glad you like it. We've got another coming up soon.

Haha. I've seen a lot of ROBO-01s on the road near my house, with less and less disguise tape, which suggests to me they're not too far from being launched finally. They only cover the badge in some cases now.

Yup, these are real and on the road today in China, going elsewhere in the near future. They cost from £33k or $41k.

What's slot 414? I seem to have missed that. Glad you liked the video.

Agree. Love this car.

You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it. So far there's only XPeng's XNGP which can do city and highway driving as well and I tried that on the P5 (it was City NGP then) which isn't their most advanced car and it wasn't particularly great in the city, but it was Guangzhou which is a real mess to drive round in places. I'm reserving judgement until I get to try it in one of their better cars like G9 or G6 and we'll try that out soon so let's see.

xiaopeng g6，g9 我定了g6😂

Apparently, no one can compare with this huawei system

@user-gm3qu7yo8z So far I'd say it's probably the best, just ahead of XNGP

Now Huawei M9 come to the market, and more intelligent

Agreed on both counts. Totally stunning. I believe Europe is in the plan. No official announcement yet but it's surely coming. They showed in Munich, they design in Munich, they must sell in Europe soon. Expect pricing to take a bump though.

They're really coming along, but the next leap is the biggest. Integration amongst other human road users is honestly the hardest part. If they were all autonomous there'd be no issue by now I think.

You're welcome.

With you on pretty much everything here aside from the less TOPS thing. I tried the P5's City NGP (P5 has just 20 TOPS compared to 508 I think for the G9) and it wasn't good. Had to intervene 3 times in the first 12 minutes. I give it some leeway because of the lack of brainpower, plus it was Guangzhou which is just a construction site, the roads are awful and the drivers are worse, but I will be giving the G6 with XNGP a full test in Shanghai at some point to try and make a better comparison. Also hope XPeng's superfast voice system can do English just as well one day because my Chinese isn't slick enough to test it at full speed yet.

@@InsideChinaAuto Oops, I had the impression that Avatr 11 uses more TOPS than 400. Must have remembered wrongly.

@networm78 I'm not sure on the TOPS of the AVATR 11, haven't seen that written down anywhere.

你忽略了特斯拉汽车，总体看特斯拉汽车更像是一个收集用户数据以及道路交通标志，路况信息的设备，通过大量用户数据让人工智能达到真正的自动驾驶！

@@polar3553 你完全忽見了華為的自動駕馱,總體來看用華為的自動駕駛都收用戶收據及道路,上傳去華為云,用華為大模型生成模擬街道,可以在云設定不同天氣,光暗,用AI自動標註,最後所有自動駕駛AI在這個大模型不停訓練自動駕駛 ,用AI訓練AI! 所以華為不用大量人命及用戶數據來訓練AI, 因此華為的自動駕駛一出就超越特斯拉! 有這個分別,因為華為3年前就建立AI大模型,馬斯克現在才去找GPU 起大模型🤣🤣🤣🤣

The core point of lidar is that it enables a vehicle to construct a more accurate 3D picture, as well as see much further, up to 250 metres in total darkness on the Volvo EX90 I believe, which means it can detect dangers far in advance of cameras alone.

@@InsideChinaAuto Good point , thanks

@@InsideChinaAuto However, Musk is betting on radar, not LIDAR, since: "Autopilot version 8, however, will do something similar and, in fact, Musk argues that better to LIDAR only with a much more affordable radar." Regardless of cost, Musk explains the limitations of LiDAR: "We don't envision using LiDAR...1 mars 2023 It relies on computer vision to make sense of the visual information collected by the vehicle's cameras. Instead of using LiDAR, Tesla's approach is to train the computer to recognize and interpret the visual world, with the goal of achieving autonomous driving capabilities.27 Mars 2023. The central point of lidar is that it allows a vehicle to build a more accurate 3D image, as well as see much farther, up to 250 meters in total darkness , meaning it can detect hazards much earlier than cameras alone.How does LiDAR work? LiDAR emits hundreds of thousands of infrared laser pulses per second onto a target surface and then measures the time it takes for the light to return (echo). From the laser travel time measurement, it is able to calculate the distance - Distance = (Speed of Light x Elapsed Time) . Laser remote sensing or lidar, acronym for "light detection and ranging" "laser imaging detection and ranging", is a distance measurement technique based on the analysis of the properties of a light beam reflected back to its emitter.

No, it just depends on the AI interpreting the pictures or point clouds. You still have to map the point clouds to objects for the AI to process, while FSD just interpret the photos taken. It's much less taxing on the onboard computer. A lot of point cloud is just useless data. At the end, it all depends on how the AI is trained. Tesla has way more data from real life and dojo.

Industry standard, but at least Tesla came up with their own idea for turn signals. Oh wait, they didn't at first, and now they've just stuck it on a button or the screen.

it has four wheels, copied from Tesla!

@terryxiao8719 Well exactly.

It really is.

Where is us? US, or somewhere else?

Good question. Not sure yet, not heard any whispers about it. The Huawei part will almost certainly be a problem in some countries sadly.

华为5g已经回来了😂

Agree. Looking to give it a harder test soon to mix a few more rural roads in.

Their phones have it so I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be possible easily when it comes out of China.

I'll have to check that. To be honest, a human would have to be incredibly pushy to pull off that 4-lane, fully jammed, temporary lane transition from right to left and would have to annoy a lot of other drivers in the process. I'm not yet local enough to be so aggressive without good cause.

Might have to look into trying a Tesla properly at some point, but I don't think their urban FSD is allowed in China yet.

Tesla actually can't do it at all. After all, pure vision has no advantage, especially at night or in bad weather, and there are complicated lighting conditions.

@@PlasticExtrusionProfiles So I'm told, though they seem to reckon their radar works in the dark. Who knows.

@@InsideChinaAuto I haven't seen a perfect video of Tesla's self-driving performance at present.However, on the Tik Tok in China, there are many Avatar and Seres who drive automatically in complex road conditions and harsh environments every day.Especially on narrow roads in rural areas.

@PlasticExtrusionProfiles That's awesome, sounds like many others are enjoying the Huawei system just fine. I was impressed.

They're doing some great things.

I hope so too. You deserve it.

Have to agree with you there.

欢迎您到访中国🎉🎉🎉

Maybe would love to but video and photos are so restricted, i never get a chance to se videos like this before. I need to see more videos like this.

Whereabouts are you living? I'm curious because you always see really good videos about it online but it sounds like you really don't like it. I know they recently changed to a visual learning model which everyone thinks will solve everything but we'll have to see.

@@InsideChinaAuto Seattle, USA. There is absolutely nothing Tesla can do to solve autonomy without Lidar, Radar and Ultrasonic sensors. My stupid car which has Ultrasonic and Radar now says it's Vision only. Like WTF? Really? This entire company is a conn. I paid 7k for FSD and i flushed that money down the toilet. All the RU-vidrs are just fanboys. Nobody really thinks FSD can be anything more than a drivers aid at best.

This comment won’t age well

When competition appears in front of it, it has to lower prices. This is healthy competition in the free market. Unfortunately, the US government is obviously not happy to see this.

因为没有优势，特斯拉在中国正大幅度降价……

Same. I'd love to see these when I come back to visit.

因为是huawei，估计美国会不允许

Thanks very much. More like this to come.

They help see things much further in the distance in all lighting conditions.

Huawei R&D this lidar technology by itself. TESLA will need to get the technology by itself.

I'm not 100% but it seems to be most places. I was quite far out of Shanghai, beyond where XPeng would let me use XNGP and it was fine, so would be good to take it further and see just how far it can go.

Just saw news today that Huawei ADS 2.0 for highway and city road will be deployed in all Chinese cities

And they planned only for 45 cities before at end of this year

@@boyang4532 Nice.

I guess the Huawei LCC is what you are looking for? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-b7sI2ajvrwM.htmlsi=Qp-P-ULHc5Tm2XUQ

Love the way this car looks.

Agreed. I love it

China can certainly look after itself for many things right now.

Yeah that's an attractive looking car. No idea when it's coming out though.

Some can, like XPeng. We have another video on theirs. Getting this good isn't easy though.

You should see the car. Even nicer.

I have already bought，HAHA@@InsideChinaAuto

@@shiosaicheung Haha, then smart choice. Lucky you, getting to see that every day outside your house. I envy you.

I'm looking forward to driving the Nio ES6 soon. I'll let you know how it goes.

I wanted to show that in the AITO M5 video but sometimes you can't use the full functionality without signing into the car fully (and I don't have a Huawei phone).

The car comes with a SIM card built in so no need to use your own data. If you buy in China the brand gives you X amount of data per month, that'll likely be the same in any further markets. The apps I'm not sure about, they're likely a more limited amount than you can get in the Harmony phone store but it's likely a changing situation too, so more apps becoming available over time. Been many months since I last drove this car.

Tempted to agree in many areas.

Is that a phone or do you mean the AITO M7?

It is a truth at the moment. NIO have to balance the books, ramping up swapping, a new range, a bunch of coffee shops. R&D seems the one on the back burner at the moment.

​@@InsideChinaAuto是的，而且要考虑到这是华为技术，蔚来输的不奇怪

Very nice car.

It's not bad, though wish it could be hands-free but that's not their scope to decide.