@trandilar Four pillars came later. There were originally 3, Gung Gi Fuk Fu Kuen (Taming Tiger), Fu Hok Seung Ying Kuen (Tiger Crane), Tiet Sin Kuen (Iron Wire). Some schools teach 5 animals, some 5 elements, some both and some the combined form of 5 animals 5 elements as the 3rd pillar leading to Tiet Sin Kuen. Therefore there are 3 true and main pillars of Hung Kuen seeing that the other "Pillar" varies from school and lineage.
There are 2 original branches of Hung Kuen, both stem from Gee Simm. 1 branch is from Hung Hei Gun, Deng Family claims this lineage, the other is from Luk Ah Choi better known as the Wong Fei Hung Lineage. Hung Hei Gun is claimed to be the namesake of Hung Kuen, but this is false, Hung Gar Kuen is named for the Hung (red) brotherhood, anti manchurian rebel group. For both Hung Hei Gun and Luk Ah Choi were classmates at the same time under Gee Simm, so how could Luk be learning Hung's art?
The beginning of this form is reminisant of Wing Chun's Sil lim tao. It could be the relation of gee shim to both arts. This Sifu is in perfect form, in presentation of this Tiger crane form.
To complete my previous 2 statements, if a Hung Gar Kuen branch does not teach Tit Sin Kuen (Iron Thread), then it is not a true branch of Hung Gar, though it is noted that out of 10,000 students Si Tai Kung Lam Sai Wing only taught Tit Sin Kuen to 7 disciples! But the standard of Hung Gar Kuen is in the 3 Main Pillars: Gung Gee Fook Fu Kuen, Fu Hok Seung Ying Kuen, & Tit Sin Kuen. Some may argue that 5 Animals/5 Elements is a 4th Pillar, but truthfully it is just a preparation for Tit Sin Kuen.
Sifu Lam, eu quero aprender essa forma, o senhor não tem em DVD, explicando passo a passo, ou então poderia fazer outro video explicando mais devagar no Ypu Tube. São Paulo - Brasil Obrigado. João
Further more, the wife of Hung Hei Gun taught him Fujian White Crane, Wong Fei Hung lineage uses Tibetan White Crane learned from Wang(Wong) Yan Lum, this is the distinguishing difference of the 2 head branches. Though Deng Family Claims Hung Hei Gun branch, their tiger crane is almost Identical to Wong Fei Hung branch, probably due to Deng Gum To learning from Wong Lun Hoi, student of Wong Yan Lum, who was eldest of 10 Tigers of Canton and traded methods with Wong Kei Ying and Wong Fei Hung.
@trandilar Lam Sai Wing is credited with refining the Tiger Crane 2 man set, the rest of your statement is false. Wong Yan Lam/Wong Yun Lum (same person) was one of the 10 tigers of Canton, master of Hop Gar, According to Lama Pai oral history, Wong Fei-Hung learned from Wong Yan-Lam the long arm techniques found in the Tiger Crane Paired Form Fist. Wong Kei Ying and son (Wong Fei Hung) shared techinques with Wong Yan Lam.
@SijoJay - thank you for that precious gem. "Hung Hei Gun is claimed to be the namesake of Hung Kuen, but this is false, Hung Gar Kuen is named for the Hung (red) brotherhood, anti manchurian rebel group. For both Hung Hei Gun and Luk Ah Choi were classmates at the same time under Gee Simm, so how could Luk be learning Hung's art? "
`Hung Hei Gun is an assumed name not the person's actually birth name. And Hung doesnt just mean red but is named after the first Ming Dynasty ruler's imperial title the "Hongwu" emperior.
continued from above....fu hok/hungar/choy le fut to the wing chun that I will learn and it will probably be the full version...because the first part of this form looks like moves to break thru the wing chun center line defense with the pigeon toed wing chun looking stance in the beginning of this video here.
the first part of the form looks wing chun..an instructor told me and I quote that fu hok was made by ng moy to destroy wing chun structure...after further research on my own I don't believe that. but I have read other articles and stories that IP MAN did not reveal the wing chun structure to all of his deciples but the rumor was that chan wah shun was not shown the real wing chun but a modified version...so t IP man got the full wing chun from leng bik..if true I will add the movements from
