Firmware 7.0 got released, Fixes "Hand detection" Part 1 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hMFGauAfJOs.html Old videos about fujifilm autofocus issues : Jared z - Autofocus problems XT5 XH2 video - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tnaKQDMM4lk.htmlsi=TuPcj_70aWAnxx_3 Eddy Summers - XH2s autofocus video - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--K3j6djuetg.htmlsi=h-fzJiMHfVGvPwKq Tom Wright - XH2S autofocus issues - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-v17yNkLqtMQ.htmlsi=U8k34xuaxBCoB01U * ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gaYjAO4LhlI.htmlsi=tdclatLi_ecUOSO4 One more XH2s user tested it and got the same results, My camera wasn't "defective" * ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-losiVoKUZLI.html XS20 fw 1.11 vs xh2s 6.0 23mm f2 * ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EyGymn2aDqU.htmlsi=n0KdROIbW32Dmv4Y I uploaded a short update on this channel to show you that I am right about false positive focus
Hi Edvard, I had last Party Shooting in AF_C with X-H2 80% out of focus. Then I changed in Menu AF/MF page 3 and 2nd Point Release/Focus Priority on AF-C to fucus instead release...now the camera hits mich more in focus even with 4.0 FW. You should give it a try. PS: the Sony A6700 is light years ahead with fucus except in real low light. Thx for sharing
I now changed my entire system. I depend on my camera to do my reviews and the stupid thing won't autofocus. I do studio and tech channel reviews and only have 6 days out of 21 days to work on my videos on both my channels plus I work with an actor on another channel
I performed the test on my X-H2S, and your findings are 100% correct. I am a Fujifilm Camera User. I have the X-T5, X-Pro3, X-H2S, GFX50SII, and GFX50R. I've owned and used every camera brand except for Nikon and Hasselblad. Fujifilm's eye detection Auto-Focus System has never been reliable, so I never used it for my commercial work. There is a workaround in which you can do the same test, and if you are using Wide Tracking, whatever you put your autofocus on will stick to it and keep that part in focus. The fix should be easy with a firmware update. When you use Face or Eye Detection, they must ensure that it takes priority, like when you set your auto-focus on an item you track. Good work!
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nt5WAP34qGE.html in this the autofocus is working very well, please watch this and tell me where is the problem coming, i am thinking to buy this camera. Thanks
I'm glad you voiced my concerns; hardly anyone else is discussing this issue. I also feel that Fujifilm made things worse this time with the 6.0 version firmware update for the X-H2s. Issues that didn't exist in the previous version are now present in this one. I've been using the X-H2s for over a year now, and I really love this camera. Whether it's the colors or F-Log2, for someone like me who's an amateur hybrid shooter, I feel this camera strikes a great balance. However, I'm really disappointed with this firmware update. The previous update fixed a lot of exposure stepping issues, allowing me to confidently adjust focal lengths while recording my kids skating, with most exposures jumping around within 0.3EV, which was acceptable. But this time, the autofocus is really messed up. I still can't understand what exactly happened to the whole AF-C! I've been a long-time user of Fujifilm cameras, starting from the X-T1, X-T2, X-T3, all the way to the X-H2s, but this update has really upset me. I hope Fujifilm listens to everyone's feedback and fixes these issues as soon as possible.
Uggh yeah I've been complaining about the autofocus issues since even before the latest firmware update (I have an XH2S). I do wildlife and with bird/animal tracking, the box will say it's focused on the subject.. but when I bring it into Lightroom, I'll see that it's actually focused just in front or behind it. So the branch beside it for instance would be tack sharp but the subject would be soft. I crossed my fingers that the latest update would resolve these issues but sadly no :( and this is with the XH2S + 150-600mm lens which is supposed to be a killer combo. I find myself having to do 3-4 bursts on a relatively stationary subject with the hopes of having even a couple of acceptably sharp images (thank goodness for Topaz Photo). I still remember my Canon 7D producing super sharp and properly focused shots. Definitely making me rethink things... That last comparison vs the Sony really puts things into perspective :/ lol Thanks for the video. Obvious you're not fanboying over one manufacturer or another - just providing facts from your real world tests.
Im not a fanboy of anything , I actually bought a sony a7s3 before xh2s and returned it because I think it was an overrated camera,the 12800iso looks like plastic and between 3000-10000 iso is garbage. Colors yach , EVF had a green tint when max brighness, screen is trash for a camera that expensive, my XT3 had a better screen than that.(I wanted to make a video about that too but I retuned it) But with a6700 for video I use luts and I am really close to fuji as a look. And it is a very cheap camera. I dont mind the screen or evf and quirks for the price.
@@edvard2942 Is nice to hear that, cause right now I'm choosing between the xh2s and 6700. I am currently using an xt3 and I moved to it from 6300, so is seems like I gotta go back to Sony🗿😅 I do very like Fuji, but now I understand that all those misfocus shots was not because me, but because of the Fuji's wasn't nailed it at all(even when the "green box" stays on a subject)
Didn't want to believe it. Tested on X-T5 and focused on hand instead of eye. Been using Fuji for 10 years, I know my camera settings, this is disappointing.
Thank you for your findings. I have owned an X-H2s after previously owning a Panasonic G9. With the G9 I enjoyed photographing bees on flowers in the summer, I often got nice pictures that were in focus. Last summer I tried it with my X-H2s and didn't get any bees in focus. I suspected that my X-H2s may have had a problem and contacted Fuji service. I felt like a fool who had no idea about cameras and how to use them, that's how rude and cheeky the Fuji technician was on the phone. I gave up and sold my X-H2s, as they confirmed that I was too stupid to use the X-H2s.
The problem is that those guys are part of the "access media." They won't. They are there to "review and sell" the products, with a big emphasis on the "SELL" part.
I have a XT-5 and can confirm the issues. Has been that way since day 1. I can normally get ok shots but aperture has to be stopped up. I normally only take shots of still subjects so it doesn’t affect me as much but I admit that my old 2015 Sony RX100 V’s autofocus reliability was many times better than the XT-5.
You are absolutely right. Fujifilm broke autofocus in the H2s. I get the same autofocus errors on my copy, with different lenses. Thank you very much for trying to convey this information to the manufacturer and users.
As a Fuji shooter (X-T2,3,5) I think what you are doing is a good thing! Can't understand all the hate when the issue is clearly presented. Only through criticism, there can be improvement. I just really hope this will get some traction, forcing Fujifilm to deal with this issue.
That is the point but many people think I have bad intentions , I think all 5th gen fujifilm users should have the same attitude as me because those cameras are marketed as having "AI" autofocus tracking
PRICELESS! Your comments and those who continue to add their strong denials, remind of the famous lines in the film “A Few Good Men”. Tom Cruise: “I want the truth!”. Jack Nicholson: “You can’t handle the truth!”. I applaud your efforts to drive home the point with verified data. Perhaps if more people spread the word and watch these videos, this will capture Fuji’s attention and who will then deliver a camera that people will line up to purchase.
The dissapoiment I had when I tried the "MAJOR firmware AUTOFOCUS UPDATE" was so bad and that started those videos. I was planning to do a autofocus video on 5.10 because I still thought it was very bad (my friends tell me it does not have the "HAND detection") but this 6.0 was the cherry on top. The goal is to make a lot of noise and maybe it will be fixed some day , 1-2 years maybe haha
X-H2 user here and can confirm this happens. I still love the camera, and as I said on a previous video, I really don't want to use Sony as I find their cameras soulless, but this is a real issue Fujifilm. You may end up losing a lot of users if you can't fix this. As for the AF-S + eye tracking workaround - that's just an oxymoron, isn't it? OK, so you can detect the eye and track it, but if want an in-focus shot, I have to get the subject to stop for bit, take the shot, then allow them to continue?! If the subject isn't moving, I don't need eye detect as I can do that myself! Come on...
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I'm fujifilm user and I can confirm what You are telling in your movies. I'm now considering switching to Panasonic, maybe You could share Your opinions and same reliable tests on their full frame cameras in future videos?
Thing is few years ago Nikon and Panasonic had crappy AF even worse than Fuji, but NOW they all have functional AF while Fuji still being stuck despite all the promises. WTF
@@IliasKoureas Don't do it ! Anything is better than fuji if you want good AF. I will make another video (more technical) about how the fuji af will never be as the competition because of the mount technology. That's the core issue.
@@edvard2942 damn.. a friend of mine confirmed the Fuji issues as well. And as a wedding photographer I want reliable af. Never missed a shot with Nikon (I mean at least not an important shot) so yeah... Thanks for saving from a possibly terrible decision
Thanks! You made my decision easy. I was still vacillating between the Sony a6700 and the Fujifilm X-H2. Now I don't hesitate. Fuji has a beautiful viewfinder, nice colors, but this is a complete disaster !!!
Yes it has a way better viewfinder and screen but usable on a6700 ,but If you need state of the art af go with sony. I picked a6700 because I can bake in luts in camera for fast projects. (Wish I could take pictures with the luts also)
I experienced this with my X-S20. I was impressed at first with all the auto focus tech on my new camera! But when I checked the images most if them were not sharp! This was not the case with my other cameras which do not have all these new features, the XT-1 and XT-20. I mainly used single point focus on those. Now I only use single point focus on my X-S20 to get properly focused images. But for video shoots I think the AI assisted focusing works most of the time.
Almost missed a bird photo because of the XT-5 autofocus last weekend. The AI recognized the bird and was showing the green box on it, as if it was "properly focused" on it, but it was completely blurry (real focus was in the far background).
this is definitely interesting. i have the X-T5 and i use it primarily for weddings. Autofocus has been a blast especially after the latest firmware. Eye focus has been bang / locked on. And I shoot on AF-C too. Not doubting you, but my Fujifilm works solidly (not sponsored by Fujifilm of course). However, I did set to release priority - focus. Not sure if it's the camera or settings issue. Hope it eventually turns out well for you Edvard and thank you for making this video.
Fuji tracking is good, the problem is when you take the photo the actual focus is somewhere else, it is not on the box that it showed. I have taken about 2000 photos since 6.0 update and many are out of focus, the ones that are OK are soft. I have very low number of photos in critical focus. Also, when you zoom in and check the focus of the image, the camera will sometimes tell you the focus is at a place that is completely blurry. I know the settings of the fuji system, I am not doing something wrong. I checked the settings over and over again.
Oh please try a Panasonic S5II ! I think we can trust you. All the reviews that said Fuji AF was great are the same who says Panasonic new AF is great. So i don't trust them. I know for experience that Sony and Canon are the best AF in market. And i can't try Panasonic because Panasonic left my country and i only can import buying outside the country.
I am sure panasonic has great AF, I've seen videos of it and the core system seems just like a canon/sony, maybe their algorithm is not 100% there but the fuji issues are in the core system (It has an very old style contrast detection behaviour,communication between camera-lens is old technology, that's why af steps and aperture steps) But I will try do get my hand on a S5II to test it. Also Im gonna do one(last) video about fujifilm af , and explain with technical details why it will not ever be good on the XF mount. Thanks
@@amermeleitor Panny boy is actually good. I would put them in 4th place with Sony, Canon and Nikon. It is night and day difference between the S5 and S5ii
Dude, I also have an xh2-s and I just watched your video and I had to get out of bed to test the auto focus with eye detection and guess what? EXACTLY the same problem you demonstrated.... I have work to do and thank God I watched your video in time! I'll use my xt-4 (working normally) in the meantime. And to complete the joke, Fuji doesn't provide a rollback in the firmware, that is, whoever doesn't have another camera, get along!
exactly , I refused to tell the lenses because all the fujifilm community is like "You need the latest lenses" and I was sick of that because I was about to buy a very expensive lens but after I tested it was exactly the same performance as almost any lens I put oh the camera.
@@edvard2942doesn't change the fact that you refuse to tell what lens for some strange reason?!!. is it stubbornness or are you insecure about the particular lens??
@@Champsreef303 he did tell in the end of the video, it's Viltrox 33mm 1.4 on both Fuji and Sony. Yeah it's chinese lens but why is it working so well on the Sony? why is it so bad on Fuji? because it's the camera, not the lens.
@@Champsreef303 you want the lens? here is a guy testing the XT5 with a linear motor fuji lens and still having the same issue. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DjfunuhjGYM.html
Thanks to these videos I was able to hold back on updating my xh2s. I'm super happy my camera's firmware right now but man this update is all sorts of messed up!
Dude! Well, finally, at least someone showed and told the truth, and not paid advertising! I've been struggling with these cameras for years! I hope the head of Fujifilm will see this video and draw the appropriate conclusions. When will they start respecting their users?!
That’s why I could not 100% believe what “paid” youtuber bias review again coz I have experienced the same problem in Fujifilm X-T3 and cannot hold me to sell all of my fujifilm system and switch to Sony Alpha system!
Found a Fuji Bug: I trying some settings and found a real Fuji bug! When I press fast the shutter button the camera release immediately without focussing at all. What? Ok...then I changed AF-C release/focus priority to focus and.... same behavior...what?!?...I switch to AF-S and try again to press the button direct full...camera shot without any focusing. What's going on? It should wait till focus is confirmed but it didn't. Then I switched AF+MF from "on" to "off" and now the camera focus first and release not before focus is correct. Wtf...Fuji. That costs me 300 Fotos Out of focus on my son's school end dance party.
Dpreview has mods having a meltdown and crying foul. Fanboys goanna fanboy. Your original video was perfect, your follow ups have cemented what you originally said and this slam dunks it. Sony AF is reliable and let's you focus ( pun intended ) on getting your composition. Like you said it's 2024, if someone is happy to pay a premium price for trashy AF, more power to them but don't shoot the messenger. You are saving those who are considering getting into the system a major headache, and iallowing them to decide if, the AF is going to meet their expectations based on all the hype.
You’re not even joking lol I had my a7iv sold and was going to pick an hx2 up tomorrow glad I came across this mans channel saved me a lot of disappointment
The eye autofocus is bad especially moving subjects .. Sony a7III eye autofocus is by far more accurate. I also the algorithm when shooting low angles eye focus is ferociously bad.
Thanks for these enlightening videos. I now feel foolish for investing so much in Fuji. However, I will swap systems if this isn't completely fixed within the next 2 months. Shameful.
Xh2s is their bigest mistake ever. 2500 usd camera with stacked sensor and garbage af. This is their last xh model. They will launch xt50 with film simulation physical dial and it tells a lot. They make cameras with amazing colors, vintage shooting experience, but fast moving subject is unachievable science for them. Great video and final comparison with sony is just enough for conclusion.
Fujifilm AF is a joke? Always has been Just like Lumix and some other companies claiming good AF I use face AF and stop down a little instead of eyeAF in my x-t3 due to this joke.
fujifilm should pay me money for buying their cameras, and then selling them to go back to canon as I lost money. Or maybe the RU-vid reviewers should pay me compensation for this. I am never moving away from my Canon gear ever...ever!!
All Fuji users we know our tracking autofocus is the worst compared to the other main brands Nikon, Canon, Sony, Panasonic, etc (but better than Leica tracking autofocus, nobody talks about that). But it is not so bad as we see in your video. The problem here is a bug in the new firmware that affects XH2 and XH2S. It will be solved by Fuji and we will return to a bad autofocus but not so bad.
It is a software bug that will be fixed for sure but the af yes , it will still be the slowest/worst in the industry now between canon sony nikon olympus
As a XH2S and XT5 user, I agree with your test. But most Fujifilm users know the AF sucks compared to Sony, Canon, Nikon and now Panasonic. Are you trying to have Fujifilm CEO to come out and admit their firmware sucks? You think they don’t know?
@@stratopause No, I am trying to spread the information and maybe they will make it better , in my opinion the camera is capable of focusing good but the software is broken
@@edvard2942 I’m sure they know there is a problem, whether they can fix it or not is another story. If they can build the AF as good as Sony, they should have done it in version 1.0. What they should do in the future is to license the AF technology from Sony since they are using Sony’s sensors anyway.
@@stratopause I am conteplating to make another video about the way lenses communicate with the camera, some noisy lenses you can hear them how many times per second they adjust, Especially in 40fps burst mode on xh2s, and with 425 points area it is really good, so potential is there , but in video for example the motor works like a broken morse code
I have noticed this problem on the X-H2 and the X-T5. Hopefully Fujifilm will patch this problem soon. You are correct in my opinion, this is not acceptable in 2024 on such cameras.
HOPEFULLY FUJI FILM SEES THIS AND GETS THEIR SHIT TOGETHER. Fortunately, I don’t use AF much right now, but if it changes I know what I’m going to have to do.
Hi Edvard, I’m a Fujifilm user. Before Fuji I had the Canon 5D mark iii and 5D mark iv. I know the autofocus and the eye tracking of Fuji camera isn’t good like Sony Camera, every person know that I think, but I noticed this problem only with the 16-55 F2.8 just a little bit. I resolve this problem in the autofocus settings (speed sensibility). I updated my xh2s three days ago and I did a wedding shoot the same day, for me this new 6.0 firmware work very good! I used the 16-55 all day and never change lens! I took a look of the photos and focus point was correct. I use Capture One because Lightroom decrease the quality of fuji raf files.
I hope they will correct this. The cameras have good enough hardware in them, so better eye-AF should be posible with better software. I use the XH2 for graduation photos, so luckily, the subjects don't move a lot, and I can nail good focus. But I wouldn't mind Sony level AF, if I'm paying Sony level money...
I never use eye af and tracking af in my xh2s it's still very buggy but i use area which is quite fine for videos. Now i don't know what lens you are using in comparison with sony 6700 but lens it DOES matter cause the motors are essential for follow focus and the custom AF settings are also essential. Till we know what are exactly the parameters and the lens that you are using this comparison is a bit biased. Also the title is clickbait cause xh2s AF doesn't suck as a whole but eye AF and subject suck. Thank god there are tons of professionals that make excellent job with the fuji system or any other camera system cause you have to think how AF sucked in general in last decade but yet they've delivered excellent photos. Fuji xh2s AF is good unless you are going to use the newly AF Features. I also want to say that color rendition in sony cameras Sucks and there is no colour consistency between sony models.
i have an xh2s, and did the update 6.0. i have only tried video autofocus touch to focus. works not as sony but useable most the time. i dont have this hand focusing in video. i tried it a few times and it stayed locked.
Fuji had to have messed something up with an update. I had the XH2s at launch and it was way better in AFC mode. With that being said, I did sometimes have that green box lie to me. But not to this extent.
This is making me very sad. Furthermore I know if I was to sell of my X-H2, X-H2S and X100VI plus 18 lenses that I have, loosing 50% value, then the following week Fuji will fix the darn AF! So what can I do? Maybe just buy a single camera + lens combo from Sony or Canon or Nikon, and wait for Fuji-san to pull his finger out? Grrr...
Fuji will never fix it, they've been always behind. I've used Fuji since X-T1, X-T2 and X-T3 and they never really improved the auto focus and they tell us the problem is on the lens. But whatever lens you have, it will still won't have good auto focus. Canon and Nikon only released their mirrorless in 2019 yet they able to match Sony's performance. Why do you think Fuji hasn't able to do that?
@@JET-Photo But indefinite time if they don´t address the problem... green box on the eye- many, MOST youtube reviewers where happy about it saying how great the af is- showing the green box on the eye. Another youtuber who shoots photos in Fuji says yes- the green box is on the right place, on the human eye. But when you shoot photos you will see it doesn´t work. But that´s not a thing youtubers talk about... So edvard here shows videos which proof- a green box on the eye means NOTHING when you take a picture and the af doesn´t work...
@@talsostein1626 I know what he is saying. I owned the XH2s, XH2 and XT5. I know full well how they were before the latest update. It was off at times in the beginning, but has obviously gotten worse with each update. Fuji refuses to admit or address the problems. The XH2s was supposed to be the flagship sports and wildlife camera, and looked real good on paper. That's why I bought back into the system. Before firmware 2.0 it wasn't that bad and performed quite well shooting sports. When using LM lenses, the eye was almost always sharp as a tack. Now, it seems, it doesn't matter what lenses are being used. It's unfortunate, and it has cost them. But now that they are selling X100VI's like hotcakes so they will never address their AF issues.
Though there is another guy woo78 that has video up and tracking looks to be working great. I have no idea what he is saying and what settings he using but the camera looks to be doing a good job so go figure and he has a good wiggle around and doesn’t seem to be pulsing around much if at all. Maybe the update isn’t very reliable and cause glitches with some serial number version? Maybe?
I'm having similar issues on the XT5, Green box around the subject but it's out of focus in the pictures. I tried it out a lot yesterday with the latest firmware using animal detection and took photos of my dog running towards me. I adjusted the af-c settings to test a few different configurations and all the results were the same. Looking through the viewfinder the green box tracked the dog all the way until she was out of frame but only about 50% of the images were in focus. It seemed to be the further she was away the better. Once she got half way it looked like it was focusing just behind her. I was able to get better results when I had an XT3 using zone autofocus so I think I'll just stop using the subject detection modes and hopefully get a better keeper rate. Or if I can afford it, switch systems.
My advice is to use only single focus and without eye and face detection. Also use custom setting number two. If you need to move the camera around after focusing use the back button focus.
I bought my fuji camera 5 years ago knowing that the AF was bad. I thought... I mainly want it for product pictures on the studio (I use manual focus) and I am pretty sure they will fix the issue sooner than later. Well... seems customers are still not doing enough noise... I work in a product team and I know really well that companies do not address a single thing unless people really complain about it. I think everyone should be making videos about this crappy AF fujifilm has... As bigger the problem becomes for people on socials (and that is customers noise), as bigger the priority of this issue will become for their team. Go wild fuji clients, they need to address this...
Thanks ! I confirm that, since I bought it, I have experienced many problems with the AF-C on the x100vi ! I am not a pro, I do street Photography and I am used to use AF-C tracking, and not trying to do a super accurate eye focus, but a least I expect the face is on focus. I have had many shots out of focus, even when the green square of the tracking mode told me that everything was fine ! Yesterday, I turned off the Face Detection, and I noticed several improvements; almost all my tracking photos were in focus. Apparently, Face Detection was messing with the AF-C tracking focus.
I have the XT5 and don’t use continuous, just shoot in single auto focus without eye and face detection. I’m getting very good results. Some people might try custom settings, by switching to number two. This will keep the focus on track when something steps into the frame.
@@edvard2942 thanks so much for the answer and for all the videos... i will never update my camera anymore until i see how the new update performs... in fact, i think this is the last time buying fuji. I was thinking about the XT6 or XH3S but no way... Fuji keeps me losing money and only giving me bad headaches... Thank your for your videos reporting AF Issues❤
I just sold my X-H2S because i want to photograph a dog/cat/bird coming at me. The Fuji stacked sensor will give you more OOF photos than ever before, lol. Still subjects it 99% of the time was great focus. Video with exposure jumps for no reason could also be annoying. Yeah i got tired of waiting for the promised AF improvements. Day 2 with a Canon R6II, not knowing how to use it, and im hitting 99% of my action shots. With their cheapest lenses!
I went that route after renting the X-H2S with LM lenses. So far happy with the R6ii AF, color, and picture quality. Taking sports pictures has been very good with R6ii eye AF. The lens weight, $, and new UI I could do without.
Same story here. I loved Fuji but couldn't wait more. The worst was when my son had a birthday, he was standing still in front of birthday cake with fired candles and not a single shot was in focus. I didn't use eye af and fired a burst of photos. Don't know how it happened. Usually with burst at least couple were in focus but not during this particular time. First day with Canon R8 with their not so great lens - RF 35 f1.8, my kids running at full speed and basically every shot is in focus. Don't have to spray and pray anymore like I did all the time with Fuji. I can finally use modern eye af and compose freely. Two different worlds.
Same here. I'm a dog photographer and I love the Fujifilm as a system, but I was tired of waiting for improvements. There were always images that were slightly blurry or the autofocus focused on the nose even though the camera indicated that the eye was in focus. In the Fuji groups you always read that you have to set 10 things (turn on burst, turn off AF-MF, etc.) I set my R6II to AF-C, Eye-AF on and the images are in focus and also with the "cheap" Viltrox 85mm I always have sharp photos. It's so sad because the cameras are simply beautiful, but I have the feeling that Fuji is always taking two steps forward and one step back. Let's see if Fuji can finally get the problem under control. I really hope so.
Thank you bro! I'm coming from Panasonic Lumix cameras and I must say that I love the image quality and look from FUJIFILM a lot better and I was thinking to switch. But didn't expect the autofocus to that bad. Thanks for being honest I'm subscribed. cheers
So I just tested this on my XT4 and I can cover almost my entire face box with my hand and it never refocused on my hand. Stayed locked on my face with white boxes on eye (I guess the XT4 does have eye AF in video). Very strange that the XH2S focus is worse than XT4, but that sounds about like Fuji. Haha
In my personal experience for a lone time user, I feel like the problem is with "the power of processor" and "the focus ability with Fuji lens'. Sure, every new model is better than before, but out dated then other brands such as Sony by 5~10 years. (Tho, I don't dig Sony at all) The other issue with Fuji's focus is low light situations and white objects. No Focus, what so ever.
The AF improvements for Fuji cameras in the past few years have been sluggish. I still struggle to get crisp shots for my dogs running around. I switched to Nikon Zf and its 3D tracking works perfectly. Sorry Fuji.
The fact that the number of AF points is reduced in eye detection mode vs small box as well as the fact that AF-S works heavily indicates to me that the processor isn't up to the task.
Damn, I knew Fujifilm autofocus wasn't great but I didn't know it was THIS bad. This would be infuriating. This is the first time I've seen the Fujifilm autofocus actually being shown in real time. Very eye opening. Thank you.
I am new to photography and xt5 is my first and only camera, I never understood why a lot of my photos was out of focus, I was going insane, lost some really good photos. Now I understand why, time to sell it, thinking about getting a Sony camera or the Nikon ZF.
Thanks for investigating the autofocus issues in detail. There should be much more content of that type as feedback to the camera companies. So for anyone who is primarily interested in af Fuji is not the best choice. I started my photography in the film era and used many non af cameras. I also used Leica M cameras and managed to get sharp images even with my 50mm Summicron at f1.4. Would I prefer having a more capable autofocus on my X-T5? Yes. Is it a show stopper to me? No.
This is great content! I want to see more reviews like this, especially A/B testing between companies. I love Fuji. I've used Fuji cameras for the past 7 years mainly for portraiture and sports. Autofocus works pretty well for me. No complaints. But I'm not a pro. I don't miss my rent if I miss my focus.
Fujifilm is well known with there color and vintage experience, and now getting more and more popular with its terrible auto focus performance. When it comes to Sony, with your comparison in the end of your video I think even my small but mighty ZVE10 can catch up the eye focus test exactly the same. Yeah. I've never regret switching from Fuji to Sony
Thanks for this. I’ve missed so many shots with my xe3 that I put down to my own mistakes or the kids moving too fast. Not gonna upgrade to the xh2 unless this is fixed.
You are correct, Sony's autofocus is better, but it would be helpful if you knew how to use the camera you're complaining about. Quit using the zone focus mode, that's for fast moving subjects, it struggles at super open apertures, and overrides tracking. Single point mode for photos, and Area mode for video fixes these complaints. Sony's autofocus is great and holds your hand. Fujifilm does not, you have to do your research and be familiar with your tools. But it is by no means a joke.
I saw the false positives in the x-t 2 and 3 , I even had Fuji look at the x-t3 body, tried many different lenses. I loved the 16 mm f1.4. The last straw for me was not being able to actually get focus on a flower during a sunny non windy day. I have never touched one beautiful cameras but as far as my experience goes they are paperweights. They would have been better off making them purely manual focus cameras.
I'm actually considering selling mine and move on to a Sony, although I keep hearing people complain about Sony's unexciting colors. And, for some reason, I do like shooting with a Fuji. I don't know what to do. I had an X-T4 and started with a Panasonic Gh4 (great colors). I guess the endgame is moving to full frame? lol.
Sony colors are very unexiting yes, for videos I fixed my sony with LUTS , for pictures have to edit them . Full frame or apsc sony, same colors. If you dont shoot animals and dont need subject detection XT4 is basically xh2s without "AI" wich doesnt work like it should anyway and more framerates.
not sure why a lot of people would be hating on you for just speaking the truth of your experience. In a way it seems that you are just another Fuji user that got fed up with their crap autofocus and just want them to fix it. I so wish that a lot of the bigger names are like you! Instead of singing praises to Fuji, they should be protesting and making waves so that Fuji fixes this actual issue. Fuji is really lagging behind the competition here. They already have the compromise of the smaller sensor. I've recently stopped using my X-H2 for events and dusted my EOS R and old EF lenses because even though my old EF lenses are not as sharp as my LM fuji lenses, I am sure that if it is in focus, it is REALLY IN FOCUS unlike the fake fuji 'focus' that pisses me off. I am sick and tired of going through photos and finding that some of the best shots I have taken are not in focus or not focused on the intended subject.
You described me so well. I really liked my XT3 before and accepted that it was bad AF, paid 700$ for it. But this 2500$ XH2s it is exactly as bad as a FUJI XT3 + the illusion of "AI" subjects detection wich doesnt work and has a lot of bugs.
I do own both X-S20 and Sony 6700. The sony is very better, period. However in my experience after the update I do have better results on the Fuji X-S20, not even close to the confidence of the Sony, but better than before, your results indeed are unacceptable for such an expensive camera, and we need more people to talk about it so Fujifilm does something. That beeing said, before the update my fuji was unusable for photos. I am using it with the tamron 17-70 mostly on f2.8 and f4 and now the result are decent, but no more than that. My Sony is waaaaaay ahead, sadly for Fujifilm users...
I have a friend with xs20 but I can't convince him to update haha, he is on 1.11 , I can't say anything about the performance on the latest, but I made an comparison between xs20 1.11 vs xh2s 6.0 and the xs20 does not have those "hand" bugs. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-losiVoKUZLI.html
Cool video. I've been holding off upgrading from the X-T3 because I don't need bigger files and the AF in the 5th gen camera's doesn't seem to be worth it. The X-T3 with face detect in continuous works fine (no issues with the hand that I've been able to recreate)...misses every now and then but for the most part does well for portraits (face detect is not ok for sports but continuous in spot or zone is just fine). I'm sure they will improve over time but not getting my money till they get to Sony/NIkon/Canon level.
I used XT3 4 years before the xh2s , Trust me, I feel I got scammed by fujifilm with this new camera. The "AI" thing really works (it sure detects the subjects) but it doesnt focus on what the "AI" detects , the autofocus system is the same as the XT3 , nothing is changed in my opinion. I use my XH2S exactly like my old XT3 , btw Image is exactly the same (From my experience 5% noisier on XH2s at -4 noise reduction)
I can 100% replicate this on both my xt5 and xh2 with latest firmware. Tried with 1.4 33 and 23 wr’s and the 1.2 56 wr with the same results. Im actually looking at the gfx 100 ii at the moment so im curious if that has the same bug.
AF-S also makes a lot of mistakes. When you take photos quick, and your model is moving... (that's what people do, they move), it sometimes finds the eye, sometimes doesn't. And even if it locks on the eye, best case scenario is that the eye lashes will be sharp.... or the face :D but never the iris.
