The difference between the FP guys and power project crew is that the power project boys are always trying to learn, always ask questions and rarely make absolute statements. I don't think FP ask one question. Be wary of people who think they have all the answers and are so certain of themselves.
That was my biggest issue with them. I am very open to new or unique training modalities but those guys were acting like their system is the only way people should train and everything else is not only not beneficial but actually making you worse.
Let’s get to the real issue, the lack of happiness and general positivity in FP practicioners. They all sound like emotionless robots on their IG reels.
22 years of BJJ. 11 knee surgeries and L5 herniated disk. A FP just opened up in my local city (Chattanooga). Thinking about doing it for muscle imbalances
good discussion of post-sport physical wellbeing... i was a high level soccer player (regional level in our olympic development system) and at some point you have to flip everything you trained and knew and tell the voice in your head that's saying "push through, push through, just keep going!!!!" to shut up. it's a hard switch from working to ignore the "too tired, too sore, lacking energy, should quit" voice your whole life.
Look, I have genetics I like to call "Extra Medium." I am not social-media strong...but at 55, I have ended up strong and agile compared to my age group out here in gen-pop. In my experience, being consistent with sleep, varied training, nutrition, recovery, and stress-reduction for a lifetime will defeat any one specific "pattern" of training.
I feel like their myopic view of everything needs to reinforce your sprint speed seems kind of weird as if you'll never need to lift and carry something in your life.
Cool idea dissecting the episode. Nsima nails it about half way through- it’s all about capacity. Whether carrying the sandbag (for example) “leads to further disfunction” is based on capacity/structural balance. Do you have the lower leg strength? Do you have the low back strength? Do you have the hip flexor mobility/strength? These are all typically neglected areas in mainstream training. FP attacked ATG, whose goals are probably almost the same. ATG builds “hardware”, from the ground up, joint by joint, whereas I’m assuming FP is all “integrative” moves. FP seems to be pretty gatekept; if a person can’t learn what to do from the system (for the rest of their life), it’s not sustainable.
When Eric Weinstein was on the Joe Rogan podcast with Terrence Howard he made a comment to Terrence. It was something like “if you stare at your own ideas long enough you’ll begin to see god”. I see a lot of Naudis approaches to conversations coming from this kind of thinking. He’s a great practitioner but very myopic in his thoughts. FP almost feels like it’s more of a religion than a modality of training.
FP is not a panacea for pain. Having a rigid philosophy without the ability to embrace all movement itself shows that a dogmatic approach will never be embraced by all. Naudi Aguilar has attacked coaches and created a cult following without hearing what other coaches have accomplished in their careers. The bottom line is there is room for all movement to be coached and there is no right or wrong- we are trying to find the appropriate approach for the goal of the client based on THEIR desire and aspiration.
At 49:00, the guys are having a hard time understanding what Rodney meant when he said “I wouldn’t walk around with it.” What he means is that walking around with a heavy sandbag has negative effects on your gait. Rodney recommends exercising with the heavy sandbag in other ways if one’s goal is to strengthen the body WHILE respecting the gait cycle. If a guy wanted to get really good at carrying a heavy sandbag while walking just for the hell of it (or if he needed to for a sport like strongman), then sure, go ahead and do it. It won’t help you sprint faster, jump higher, or throw harder, though. That’s all Rodney is saying.
Potentially one of the most insane moments from that original pod is when mark said something like "hey whats the harm if you and your buddy wanna just go hit bi's and tri's and get a pump?" and rodney said "why not just do a bump of cocaine?"
Power Project is on Fire!! I really like Andrew Zaragoza getting more involved, he is so humble and intelligent I like his input. This Podcast is Amazing. I am sharing it on Lobster Mobility immediately!. Please please consider helping Dr Sean O'Mara to get on the Joe Rogan Experience. Joe would listen to you Mark. Dr Sean is a Surfer, he is on Active Duty with the Military. And he wonts to help people for free or for as little as possible. He needs a little push ahead Andrew, Nsima, Mark Bell. Chama! Lets Go!!
Part of the issue with this episode is that you are trying to dissect and understand what they were saying without them there to clarify. As an ex-MMA fighter, current Jiu Jitsu competitor and a FP practitioner, the questions your asking are VERY GOOD questions, but the conclusions you’re coming to are a bit off (based on my depth of understanding when it comes to FP, which is limited)
Nsima- THANK YOU for giving K-Starr a shoutout. FP seems to think they invented MFR but Kelly started the mobility project in what…2006? Where would Naudi be without other people pioneering techniques for self care? The key here is collaboration. There isn’t a one size fits all solution to fitness. There are however best practices that FP could make a significant contribution to if they weren’t so arrogant. To see how aggressively FP enforces their NDA is embarrassing. Everyone I know who has become a devoted FP practitioner has since been excommunicated from the community! Crazy. I love that you guys are open, curious, generous and kind. We need more like you in the industry and less like those who gravitate towards FP.
You build a lot of bone density from loading as well as bending the bones. Good example would be the squat, you are loading your spine and bending your femurs and when you are running you are vertically loading the bones of the femurs so definitely do both
One thing to mention, I think Mike Mucciolo’s statement about being able to make Usian bolt sprint faster was misunderstood. He wasn’t trying to state out of “ego” or overconfidence that he could make Bolt run faster. He was trying to point out that because of Usain’s high quality genetic potential & resilience, with regards to his high level ability to move, the margin of error to make mistakes while training Bolt is very low, and it’s a lot easier to get the body to adapt/change. Than compared to training an average Joe who has either a scoliosis, large history of injuries, MS, hard time building muscle, etc. I’ve noticed this all the time in the past with training the average person versus an athlete. It’s a lot easier to get their body to make the necessary changes to improve itself because their genetics are less allowing to make a mistake. Versus a non-athlete or average joe with poor genetic potential, there is less room for the trainer to make mistakes.
I'm one of those smaller guys with imbalances that finds FP to be compelling but I agree with you guys that you don't necessarily need to give up everything else. I want to use FP to be able to do boxing, BJJ, rock climbing, and so on because that is how I functionally want to use my body with my lifestyle.
The things Nsim said at 50:17 really made me have an epifanny. I am starting to fall into the reality of, "if you dont use it you lose it" more and more and more now. Maybe because of the long ass hours of the postural habits we havei n the modern world it leads to stiffness, maybe isolated weight lifting consistency causes the adaptation to our body to make us stiff. We are meant to run throw walk and shit because thats just the designated design structure of our body, and causing adaptations against it makes us hurt and beats us up. But if we respect the bodies ability, do proper recovery work, move better, and also respect the amount of weight we throw around both on the barbell and on our body, i dont think there is anything wrong with weigh lifting. In the real world you are not going to pick up something super heavy the way you pick up a barbell, but you also arent going to pick it up the same way the FP guys do all these things they do. The barbell stuff will teach you how to brace, and give you the strength and neurological adaptations to fire the muscles and pick it up. But in the real world you will use your full body because it does give you torque, and leverage. And I cann see where the Fp stuff could come in, becuase its all about full body, and it does talk about bracing and etcc, but it lacks the raw strength training. Alot of the strentgh stuff they do is based of movement and leverage. Which is GREAT for fighting obviously. Which makes me see why they do so much pulley work. The body moves all together as one, its a tensegral structure that pulls on itself. Every movement i see the fp guys do, is basically a full body movement, that also enhances your ability to sprint.
Is there a way to have a Powerlifting Prioritized program, with FP exercises as the accessory movements? Or a traditional Barbell 5 X 5 with FP as accessory? Compatible?
Gangsters. The problem I have with FP is like you're talking with bringing them in and trying to get stronger, maybe put some muscle on and see what happens - they would never fkn do that. Why? idk... but it's like why not just do it for a little bit and see what happens? People in fitness get so dogmatic and tied to certain things, why not try everything and see what works best for YOU? AKA the message you guys constantly push on this podcast.
If you ever watch videos of professional athletes train at gym runners, soccer players. They train nothing like FP. FP say “the goal running at the core” but that not how the pros train to improve sprinting. Also no one at gym trains like pro athletes too. There big difference between the retail fitness industry, and the professional athletes do.
@aden_fermin I stumbled across his channel and I just think he has a very mature and knowledgeable mindset. He would be a great guest. I recently started odd object training and it feels great
@@BrunoRodrigues-fw9ri 10 sessions is not my definition of extensively working with practitioner. Ive been doing fp for 1.5 years with significant changes in my anatomy. Gotta give it a fair shot before making a video about it and also not do anything else but FP during that time (movement elimination protocol).
@@BrunoRodrigues-fw9ri I doubt he even got rid of his running hobby and other training methodologies during those 10 session. Typical influencer acting like he cares; I dont understand why they even interviewed with him.
There’s a dosage for you individually through every stage of life to have a capacity to do physical things. Stu McGill talks about doing too little and doing too much and THEN finding the sweet spot.
Another problema with FP is that what they do today has nothing to do with the goofy shit all neutral spine, instability etc they did in the beginning. They started adding atlas stone DL, clubbells, pull ups, head over foot movement, spine hyperextending etc…everything they we’re against but they still call it FP like this was the original philosophy, but they realized how limited they actually were…so they maintain the dogma in theory, but are doing stuff that many of was were doing for 10+ years
I was just digging up 10 year old FP videos of Naudi doing exercises that honestly look like he just made up right then and there. Totally agree with you. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mj5-LTAbPLo.html
It’s so bizarre how they seem to prioritise fundamental human movement but somehow do not acknowledge sandbag training. Did they assume that anthropomorphically that we didn’t walk with heavy objects? Sounds like such a fragile view of human movement. Not to mention the fact that in my practice, the sandbag carry is one of the best ways to teach people to walk without lower back pain.
fp is devinately great, but they ignore potential... they have their gole outcome and dont alow for the vorietys in goles enough.. lots of potential but to ridgid
