@@vks_productions a machine shares the soul of it's operators. But then there are machines that inspire certain emotions by themselves with it's mere presence, the Tiger is an imposing machine that oozes respect.
Idk man, due to the heavy armor of the tiger and the complicated design made it horribly unreliable making it brake the transmission several times wich would've take it a long time to fix it even hours and it would've end up abandoned at the end I never understood why many people praise the german tanks especialy the "3rd generation tanks"
@@herchuboshustle4758 Probably "sexy" but practical not so much the tiger was meant to be for a defensive and a tank destroyer but due to the heavy armor of the tiger this would've eventually cought up broking it's transmission and the complicating design of the tank made it very hard to fix, probably hours and would've end up abanodened at the end.
Being a die-hard WW2 nerd I still like "Fury" more than many other WW2 movies. Because it shows the grim, brutal, merciless fighting. It shows the psychology of soldiers who have been in battle for too long. It doesn't shy away from showing what the Allies did. What most soldier did after a while... I guess that is what rubs people the wrong way about "Fury": it tosses away the patriotic BS most other movies tell abot the allied war effort.
@@thomaskositzki9424 ofc, for some people the most important part "tossing away the patriotic bs about the allied war effort" 👌no straight up attracted towards fascism at all, of course
@@jozseftoth9368 My point is this: every side gets throat deep into war crimes in a war that goes on for long time. It is an automatic mechanism of war. I am apalled by the patriotic distortion of the reality of WW2 taking place in many movies, games, etc. Saying that, I am also most thankful for the Allied sacrifice to destroy facism in Europe. BTW I am German and straight-up anti-facist. You should read what people write completely instead of projecting your prejudices into single sentences they utter.
@@thomaskositzki9424 being anti-fascist, and being thankful to the Allies for destroying fascism in Europe, also rejecting the patriotic, heroic, etc way the allies are shown in movies. I just think RU-vid does not need another one comment about "tossing away the patriotic bs about the allied war effort" its already full of love, affection, and forgiveness towards fascism. But i get you, trying to be 100% correct. 👍 The movie otherwise, being brutal and full of fast pace action to fit the taste of 12 yo kids, is full of shiny badass bs.
I met one of the German ‘Boy Soldiers’ in the 80’s , Paul was a Gentleman, kicked out of a plane over US troops at 15 years old , luckily he survived, spent sometime in the US then settled in the UK, he never returned to Germany ..... on Tanks having Soul, I think all machines have soul to those that live with them , from whatever country they come from , these men lived and died in these machines
@@f.dmcintyre4666 I never met him again, as I started working abroad , over the years I’ve reminisced with guys that worked with him far longer than me, all had the same respect for the man 🙌🏻... his Son joined the British army as a Guardsman, I remember him being very proud of him (rightly so )
One of my great grand father was a german soldier in ww2 , he was 18 and was in the 3 panzerkorps , he joined duing the battle of kursk. he was captured by the american in 1945 and was sent to a pow camp but was realeased after few months and moved to france .
Saying they wanted to do the Tiger justice, and putting it in a scene where it executes the single worst fighting tactic a Tiger could do in this situation is as stupid as saying the WaffenSS was the best and most expirienced unit on the field, and picturing an infantry Btl charging a crippled tank... the rest of the film was ok
@@Kyle-gw6qp He should have stayed in that bush and not driven out. He could have killed all 3 of them and they didnt even know where the tiger was before he drove out. He also took out the shermans with the worst guns of the 3 he should have fired at the fury. The others cant pen him anyways.
@@Jonathan.907 Yes I know. I'm just pointing out that they could only drive the Tiger 200m total, across all takes. That somewhat restricted what could be done. But yes, you are correct, it could have been far more realistic.
@@Kyle-gw6qp Yes I understood what you wanted to say. I just meant that he didnt even need to drive 200m. It wasnt realistic but atleast we got some action.
@@Jonathan.907 In reality the Tiger would most likely fire 2-3 rounds in quick succession and got the fuck out. German tank crews weren't stupid enough to wait around to get their asses blown to bits by P-47s.
Fury could have been a great war movie only for the ridiculously daft battle scenes where they felt the need to pander to the U.S audience and display the German elite infantry and tank units as completely incompetent.
@@17MrLeon ONE scene in the entire movie had Hitler youth mow down Americans. I think he's referring to the last battle scene where the Fury tank crew were killing tones of SS. I think in reality that broken Sherman would have been fully blown up and all crew dead within minutes if it met an SS battalion.
@@omarab837 You do realize these thinks did happen. The thiínk is the reality is far less believable that this movie but I guess that speaks for it self when toned down scene you still think its over the top.
another shitty American propaganda movie... if would have been made like Stalingrad or The beast ...ups..those are actual movies..":))))))) well...another story :))
@@17MrLeon 1 broken tank vs 300 elite SS...mkey:)))) cause they were unable to do the long run,probably took like 5 min max to get behind it..with max..2 rockets..in the dark night.....mkey :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
The last battle in the movie is so unrealistic. No army, past or present would waste so so ammo or men to take on one semi knocked out tank. One panzerfaust would of been sufficient enough to do the job.
It’s a movie do you really think it would sell if the entire cast were killed instantly by 1 shot from a panzerfaust. Like Ik it’s unrealistic and all but at the end of the day it’s a movie and they made it as realistic as they could in my opinion.
My great-uncle actually was forced to fight in the Hitler Youth's part of the "Volkssturm", in the hopeless last ditch defense of Berlin. He says most of the others he knew knew it was over, and they were mostly hoping to be captured by Americans, not Russians
I know this is a year late but my great uncle was also forced to fight. He was assigned to an anti-aircraft gun and says he never fired a shot, his uniform was still fresh when his group was captured. One of the lucky ones I guess.
@@GerikoKain My great uncle was similar, it seems like they had one "fanatic" in the group, so they let him man the gun and he just went back and forth carrying ammo. He couldn't do NOTHING so he at least didn't want to be the one shooting.
If only the last part of the film didn’t exist, Fury would be a masterpiece. To watch dozens Waffen SS soldiers with several panzefausts run like headless chickens in front of the immobilised Sherman so Brad Pitt & Co can kill a what seems a million of them before eventually succumb is a painful experience.
Spot on. I stop watching it at that point. in a real situation, the tank would last seconds. But if you want to be pedantic when the tiger fires at their logs and it takes the blast that's BS too. The Americans and others tried EVERYTHING on their tanks logs,cement,sandbags,train track rails . NOTHING worked. 88 just went straight through
Realistically, the movie would've ended at the start of the Tiger ambush scene. Fury was not only the leading tank in the column and as such would've been the first target by default, it also had an upgraded gun. German tankers were known for even going out of their way to kill these first. This is because they posed the largest threat as they could punch through a Tigers frontal armor at a significant distance. To counter this many US tankers painted their guns to make the tank look like just another regular Sherman from afar.
8:26 “Special effect blast looks... correct”. Literally the next scene showing the actual footage of panzerfaust that makes the SFX blast look like puny firecracker
You guys don't understand how a panzerfaust works, the big explosion happens inside the tank. The secret of this weapon is, to kill the crew, not the tank.
@@Swisshost The Panzerfaust is exactly the same as the RPG 7 which was developed from it. The shaped charge in the warhead, called a Lovelock charge after its American inventor, melts a metal core which is projected forward to burn instantly through armour. I have never seem it for real, but there should not be a big explosion to see as the force is contained within the target into which it is projected, making it more deadly for the crew. So, just as you say, which all makes the clip in the video look bogus.
@@agentepolaris4914 Yeah that's true, the technicality was off. But it wasn't showing the Americans as the typical "good guys". Then again, the creators are American.
@@nedmtb5155 like stereotypes and social dynamics of the crew plus all the kit worn was well worn and dirty, the actual events and fights weren’t that accurate but it’s a movie so it has to be entertaining , it was the stg44 being used by an American tank commander is far out there, as not only the gun was hard to find but the bullets would have been like finding diamonds.
@@nedmtb5155 I know but that the problem with main stream movies they have to appeal to a lot of people it would be hard to portray a half an hour firefight between the shermans and tiger even just general things such as hardly any of the tanks being camouflaged and such so some of it is for entertainment and I only mention the weapons and things cuz it’s not hard to get right and still be entertained.
Film makers didn't resurrect the Last Running Tiger, Bovington Tank museum did. Also, whilst I do love this film, it doesn't capture armoured capabilities or tactics very well but what it does do a good job of is portraying the bond between crewmen. That's just my opinion as someone who has done the job, albeit in modern times.
@@TouchiestMetal you wouldn't even need to be experienced. Anyone with any common sense would have hit Fury first as it clearly has a larger and more potent main armament and at that range would have proved dangerous even to a Tiger frontally. Also, as Fury was at the front it would ensure all other tanks had to stop first before moving. Next when the remaining 3 tanks are charging you down, you wouldn't move forward for 3 main reasons. 1) you're harder to make out in the initial position 2) range is your friend in a Tiger, you are more effective than they are at range and closing the distance is playing into their hands and 3) you can't effectively fire on the move in a Tiger, it has no stabilisation. Then, when they're charging and it's disobeying German doctrine of firing only from a standstill it STILL goes for the weaker opponent! No! Never! Finally it's the Fury part of this scene which irritates me. Shermans did have a form of stabiliser but only effective at a crawl. The rounds from the 76.2mm would be enough to go through the front of the Tiger but they wait....then going round the side at about 5m...it would easily overwatch the side armour and then they get round the back...only to shoot it in the fucking engine...twice. that engine is effectively more armoured than the side armour ever was given its mass. The Tiger has a a number of opportunities to fire during this sequence but doesn't. Fair, it's a film and they used poetic license so they could make it more exciting for the viewer but anyone who's got the vaguest idea of capabilities of the platform and period doctrine just pulls their hair out.
@@MrWiggo91 yes..one reason on Sherman Fireflies *British version with a 17pdr gun in contrast to the normal 75mm, that they camoed the front end of the barrel was that German AT gunners and tank gunners were told to look for the Firefly in a troop and knock that out first
A SS brigade would easily have taken out the crew and a tiger would not charge sherman tanks, it would try to remain hidden and keep the shermans at a distance if anything it would track backwards
Really? It was sooo bad! Totally ridiculous battle scenes and little attempt at getting tactics right. I'm an ex-tankie, and it was so disappointing. A wannabe Saving Private Ryan that failed.
@@lighty9023 well of course from your perspective it’s probably shit but for me it was entertaining, yes some of it isn’t realistic but the acting and brotherhood seems on point for me.
Yeah, I liked it when I saw it in the theater despite obvious flaws. However, this movie gets worse on subsequent viewings. Now I can't watch it. Every scene has flaws, some like the end battle are just awful.
I was watching clips from Fury on YT and thought "This is so made up" then this came up, this docco is mind blowing, the detail to attention is amazing, I really didn't have any idea about the efforts to make such a film and now realise how authentic this movie is...............Thanks for putting this up...............Blessings...........
1:04:15 - This blokes perspective of the Germans in WW2 has to be the most balanced and fair view I have heard "...took 2 years.. fighting them from every angle to defeat them.."
That’s one way of looking at it, but it took 4+6 years and the support of every liberation movement in the world to destroy the British Empire and force the allies into an political and economic union with Germany. And now after Brexit, we have to do it all over again! 😔
The words of the director and the coordinator, saying "If you replicate these people stupidly, you're not doing anyone any justice" are not actually taken to heart by the movie. Especially the final battle was very much entirely contradictory for what they said. An SS batallion would NEVER approach a knocked out tank in the middle of nowhere like that. They would send a scout ahead and have them check the tank, if not fire on it from a distance to begin with. They wouldn't have tried to overrun the tank by just going full on lemmings style up ahead. They would scatter and flank him, get their Panzerfaust users in position and deliver 1-2 strikes causing the ammunition or fuel to ignite and detonate. Fury was quite a good movie action and setting wise but I do not think it did the history as much justice as they Director claims it did. There was a lot of artistic license taken especially in the tiger scene. The germans would NEVER shoot the last tank in the convoy, always the first one so the rest had to stop. German tank crews were specifically trained to perform the so called "Feuerhalt"(hold and fire) tactic. The wouldn't charge a sherman with a tiger. NEVER EVER! They would ange their hull to cause riccochets and then pick off the advancing tanks one by one.
Very true. Especially when it comes to German tactics. First tank first. Michael Wittmann's legend began with his use of one StuG 3 against 16 T34s and he did just what you described. The things that happened in this movie made it unwatchable, despite the beautiful settings and high end finish. It's probably a fantastic movie for those who know nothing about history.
@@PP-ed9cf Well, fury is actually quite accurate in historic terms, but it takes a lot of artistic license when it comes to the performance and strength of the Sherman Jumbo and its crew. It does a great job depicting the horrors of war and the impact it had on people. It even does a great job showing how tired the german population was of the war. Just tank combat wise it is highly biased towards the american victory story.
@@Bitt3rh0lz Absolutely and to your last point - that's really, as far as I feel, is the essence of the movie. The truth was very much the opposite. Had the story been about a German crew in a disabled Tiger 1, that scenario would have been far more believable. Like I said I do find the feel of it all very engaging, dark and very well done. Unfortunately, all of that is let down by the rest of the movie which is an utter fantasy, as you already pointed out :)
"Living up to it's reputation as an unstoppable monster" - except they portrayed the Mk VI in a totally unrealistic scenario. I can't help feeling that if the Germans were as inept as this movie continuously portrayed them, the war would have been over far sooner. Fury is an enjoyable action flick, and it displayed the human side of war very well, but there are parts of it that really let it down.
I like how they bring up the Tigers speed as a negative, when it's like 3Km/h slower on the road than a Sherman and maybe ~6Km/h slower off road. Sure it was slower, but not by a whole lot.
I’m a battlefield guide here in Normandie and I know my stuff really well I hate watching war movies for the inaccuracies in the messed up plot sometimes but I do like to watch war movies with my guide friends and we will dissect a two hour movie and press pause every time we see a mistake and then discuss it and verify proof and accuracy.
@@hairydave82 1million % Save the Pvt Ryan and Band of Brothers probably the Pacific series as well. Whenever there is big budget involved and some serious people like Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg who don't wanna f...up their reputation with classy BS. Ps. The last movie Greyhound is probably the poorest however the actual footage withn the confined space of the Destroyer Main Deck are worth the whole movie. Correct dialogues, correct spacing.
Yes US crews had guts, etc but I’m not sure if they mentioned how many more tanks the Allies had on the ground in Western Europe. Destroyed German tanks were hard to replace, with factories being constantly bombed etc, (not to mention the massive scale of the Eastern Front and the resources they had to expend there) but the Allies had a stream of new tanks coming to replace their losses
I think this doco has been glorified for the American viewer. I'm pretty certain most people who fight for their country or whatever reason fight with "guts".
@@frankgaletzka8477 one of the reasons? Germany lost because they fought 2 fronts.. east and west´.. And east=russia had compared to germany infinat numbers.. german would lose no matte what thay did
I loved the movie for the characters and realistic portrayal of men at war but the production crew have done an equally awesome job here, quite amazing considering so many movies now are just people in morph suits against a green screen
Fantastic movie, loved it Was an absolute treat to see the machine's at Bovington tank museum, the Heft of the Tiger by comparison gave me the creeps, I dread to think what those boy's had to cope with throughout the War Very sobering and humbling.
Bigger gun and bigger calliber, what else you expected? In fact, the soviets already used a 152mm ML-20 howitzer which was capable of blowing up Tiger 1s with only the explosion shock of a HE shell, and even tho, none remembers this artillery (unless they put tracks on it and call as SU/ISU-152)
It's understandable to open fire of a heavy MG on a tank depending of it's type and where you're shooting. Shooting repeatedly and constantly the tracks and/or the gun of a tank is an actual way to make a total tank knock off way easier.
acually it was a common tactic , it desrupts the gunners vision if oyu shoot at his gun scope or the commanders copula it also distracts the tank from flanking units that will take it out from behind
You would fire at the drivers periscope to blind him and other periscopes to blind the crew . Plus if tank was being followed by infantry the bullet's would get some of them especially their legs as the gap between the floor and the ground was at least 1foot as you can see in some of the shots.
The Fury story is actually based off of a 60 hr tank battle of an English Mark IV tank that was trapped during WWI, Ypres, 1917. The Tank's name was Fray Bentos
"German tanks are cold & soulless" is 'THE' dumbest, ignorant & spectacularly wrong sentence I have heard this year! BTW: If you are going to spend a fortune on detail & accuracy don't bundle it into a five cent plot. Large numbers of Germans were gunned down at the end of the movie, hopefully a few of them were the script writers playing extras. What a shambles!
@@AFV85 Yeah, I see what you mean. I thought the tracers of the tank guns were pretty realistic. Not the MGs tracers, though. It takes about 200 meters for a tracer bullet to light up and you can hardly see them during daylight, so...Yeah, it kind of made it look like lasers, I agree.
@@mikevoisine2886 In this he did say he uses tracers and goes on about the different colours for countries using the Green for German but he must have used more than normal phosphorus or whatever is used because it's pretty crazy to well normal tracers! it looks like the ww2 Soviet Katyusha rocket launcher haha!
Not even the most rookie commander could make such mistakes the basic rules reached in the German tank commander school is: in a tank column shoot the first tank because it’s usually the most superior one if this is not the case shoot the one that could be the most problematic (armor, speed, or cannon) after that destroy the one in the end of the column, the tactic is to leave the tanks in the middle of the column with two options turn towards your tank (in this case a Tiger 1 (pz-VII) or to try to escape but in both options is in your range leaving them to be hunted down by the Tiger, and also the Tiger had a superior position where it could hunt all of the tanks without having to move an inch the huge mistake of going forward left the back part (the most vulnerable part of the chasis) completely vulnerable to being shot, also the officers that lead that SS battalion could had ended it all with one single panzerfaust, no need to sacrifice almost all your entire battalion only ONE panzerfaust
So impressed with the level of accuracy of the uniforms and vehicles in this movie. Watching it makes to FEEL like you ate in 1945. INCREDIBLE detail training and effort by everyone. But the Tiger fight and the closing scene was unrealistic sadly - the WSS would have wiped Fury out in seconds.
Yes sadly indeed. For the sake of realism they could have showed more ''german accuracy' . The 88 was the pinnacle of accuracy and penetration but yet they depict it as an airsoft gun shooting potatoes that keep ricocheting.
I liked the movie but there where so many tactical inaccuracies that I didn't think it was a "great" movie. I agree the Tiger fight and the "last stand" scenes where absolutely bollocks.
@@jsullivan2112 plenty of videos about it. As a start, the Tiger wouldve shot Fury first as it was the point vehicle and had the most powerful cannon. Then it would absolutely not move toward them, except maybe the few meters to get out of the smoke. Also, its rounds would've *never* bounced off a Sherman, especially on the side. And finally, they wouldn't have missed a single shot, especially with the Shermans coming at them in a straight line. Oh and also, if the scene was realistic but Fury still wasn't destroyed first for some reason, its cannon was actually powerful enough to kill a Tiger. So realistically the Americans would all be dead in a minute, and if Fury somehow wasn't shot first then they would have won in seconds.
The film, 'Fury' was good in the sense of characters; the script was well written and it was photographed with great professionalism. What really stank was the last part of the story. The Tiger tank or tanks could simply stand-off, outside of the Sherman's range, and lob shells at it until it was destroyed. It was not like it was going anywhere. Attacking a lone, stationary Sherman with wave after wave of Waffen SS soldiers was just stupidity. Not even foreign Wehrmacht volunteers with little experience would have made such a ridiculous tactical mistake. Alternatively, if the Nazis were in a 'hurry', then sending in a small squad with Panzerfausts would have doomed 'Fury' in a short time indeed. In the shots where we see the Waffen SS battalion marching down the road, several of their number are carrying Panzerfausts, more than enough to kill the crew of a damaged, stationary Sherman. Why, in a film where they did so much research into SS uniforms and then used a priceless, Tiger tank, did they mess up the last part of the film by not bothering to show how easy it would have been to kill the Fury's crew and not lose a single man. This reminded me of an old B-grade Western where the Indians ride in an endless circle around settlers' wagons getting themselves killed, big time. These days American movie makers have good ideas for films but, almost invariably, they have no idea how to end a story properly and concentrate on what would have really happened. The ticket price for this film should have been halved, because that's all you got; one half of a good movie. Of course, in this documentary, they didn't go into why they went with crazy military tactics that had nothing to do with reality. Several senior people in the crew bang on and on about accuracy and research; that's great, that's a good thing, but all that is wasted if the climax of the film is just about as wrong as you can make it. BH
I justify it by thinking the best of the wehrmacht was killed off in the east, and whats left have little experience or training. I remember hearing about an M26 seeing a Pz.4 charging at them after bouncing an HE shot. While it sounds stupid for the tiger, it was basically a stroke of luck that the sherman encountered a braindead tiger crew. Also the tiger was getting its position smoked off, which people seem to have completely forgotten. Imagine if the tiger was smoked off, and then flanked to the side by 2 shermans. They were forced to move forward aswell.
@@honkhonk8009 Yeah well it is a culmination of the complete historical inaccuracies in this film that make people mad. The Tiger being completely brain dead and the SS battalion just sending men at a Sherman instead of having them grab panzerfausts and go around in the dark.
That wasn't the only bad scene, there were several. It started badly at the beginning when the two tanks are circling each other in the field like some incompetent circus.
@@honkhonk8009 except that little experience or training is not correct. The various elite units were fire brigaded back and fore...21st Panzer in Normandy, Leibstandarte and others plus the indie Tiger units
27:39 -- according to the "How Accurate is this movie?" episode on "Fury," this is where everything is wrong: 4 tanks all alone, no infantry support, the last tank (not the first) was taken out first, the German tank moved out of its covered superior position into the open when there was no reason to do so, etc.
Something not many people realise is that the Tiger I moving out of cover was a legitimate response. Fury did not fire smoke shells into the Tiger. They fired Willie Pete, which is White Phosphorous. That thing is a gas that literally burns the air around it and burns you alive if you don't seal the hatches fast enough. To be fair, that Tiger should have stopped after leaving the White Phosphorous but these crews are probably inexperienced.
To see the faults in this film i would say you would have to have served in the forces. Therefore understanding tactics. To people who have not served its a very good film showing the horrors of war.
For all the films inaccuracies and hyper drama, it's still very interesting and unique for giving us a look at Germany in the LAST month of the war, and the way German society collapsed over itself
Don’t try to analyse this film, there is nothing that makes any sense. Nothing. I was glad that they got shot and I was able to leave the theatre. I can tell you it was dead silence afterwards, nothing to say or talk about.
몇몇 자막이 아쉬운 부분이 있었지만 덕분에 잘 보았습니다. "탱크 부대는 전쟁 전에는 기갑부대였어요"라는 자막은, "기갑부대는 전쟁 전에는 기마부대였어요"라고 번역하시는게 맞습니다. 기마병이 전쟁에서 할 일이 없어지게 되니까 "뭐에 타고 싸우는건 똑같으니까 기병대가 탱크를 운전하게 하자"면서 변경되었거든요.
What about the tiger 2 still looks modern to this day germans invented all modern weapons stg44 modern assault rifle night wision jet planes first jet powerd flying wing v2 misile first fuel injected engines in planes smart bomb fritz x and so on and on.... And they still do german engenering is the best in the world vag bmw and mercedes the bentley and rolls was crap untill it became german and lambo and bughatti and so on and on ....
Tiger 2 I like it's armour is better but it looks like the panther I have to look at it for a minute but they was both good tanks I just like the look of the tiger 1 I love German engineering it's the best to tell you the truth I wish the Nazi's one the war they did some stuff that was not good I wore go in to that but every thing you said was good so thank for writing to me I think we have the same view on German engineering respect from England
100% they tested that thing rigorously. Stuntmen have to be extremely confident in their gear and their set. They didn't just whip it all together, it took weeks or even months of planning, prepping, testing, and practicing the final shot. By the time the stuntman actually got run over he'd already done it 100 times.
The "Fury" is one of the best war movies ever made. I've seen it several times. War machines, tanks, weapons, drama, scenes, incredible set details, war story, death and surprising home scenes. Definitely, you must watch that movie!
