Future Days - Joel Miller (Pearl Jam) Lyrics 

grow up

Perhaps you would like to add something more to that than just a random two-word attack? Perhaps you would like to enter into a polite, adult conversation where we both discuss our various views on the game and at the end, part ways with a mutual understanding of one another's opinions, safe in the knowledge that though those opinions may differ, that's okay because we're all different and that's what it means to be a person navigating this rich tapestry we call modern life.

So you just wanted the same game all over again we saw the partnership in TLOU1 they took a risk and do you know how rare it is someone dose that? and Joel got what he deserved. this set in a apocalypse its dark and grim if you want something where the good guys always wins go watch a marvel movie. cuz in TLOU there are not good guys it's all about perspective

Did I want the same game as TLOU 1? Not at all. Did I want a game where we had the same story as TLOU1? Again no. Did I want a game that was as beautifully told as the first game, as sharply edited, as well constructed and featuring a cast of characters that were just as compelling? You bet I did. Did we get that? In my opinion (more on this word in a minute) no. Resoundingly no, we did not. I've seen this point about "Joel got what he deserved" being bandied about a lot. In my opinion (that word again) that's a load of nonsense and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the character and his motivations, which formed the very heart of the first game. In a nutshell: man loses daughter and spends the next 20 years as a shell of his former self doing some very questionable stuff. He then meets another young daughter figure who reignites something in him that he thought lost. Then when faced with the prospect of losing this new daughter figure and being plunged into the same abyss as before, he makes a choice to save her regardless of the consequences. Does he make the right choice? Yes. No. Maybe. Depends on your opinion (there it is again). There is no definite answer because he's a morally grey character. That's the genius of the first game: it doesn't answer that question, it doesn't pass judgement either way. It leaves it to the player's opinion, which is a subjective construct based on their own experiences and moral code (as opposed to an indisputable objective fact). And that's ultimately why the second game manages to derail itself almost from the very start: it decides to sweep away all of that and fall very firmly down on the "Joel Miller was a very naughty boy" side of the fence. It might have pulled it off had it been handled in a competent manner, but it wasn't (in my opinion - in case I'm not being clear enough about that).

@@ThePrecipice66 nonsense and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the character? you dont seem to know how the world works, it has nothing to do with his character... that someone comes for a mass murder and wants to get revenge over what he has done. If you are sitting at the end of the first game and you think Joel is not absolut monster, i worry about your moral compass. His selfish decision at the end of the first game doesnt only cost the lives of dozens of Fireflies but also his own.

Did Joel actually say this??

@@RnHLyrics Actually no but he technically did

Damn that was beautiful

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Well said man

I'm totally with you, that's why I loved both games. There's nothing more boring than the stereotypical good guy, bad guy, happy ending type games. Then there's the games revolving around super quirky and eccentric people that wear ridiculous clothes, living in futuristic cities, I hate those games. It's nice to see ordinary people in a familiar setting, doing things that you might have done in a similar situation. I think it's so stupid that people are throwing tantrums over Joel's death. I didn't enjoy seeing that but shit happens, just because he's everyone's favorite character doesn't mean he's immortal. Naughty Dog wasn't afraid to defy expectations and make gamers squirm, that's admirable. My only complaint is that I can never play it for the first time again.

Well said!

This aged like fine wine, especially with the TV adaptation dropping next year. I hope they do this incredible story justice!

@@TheBourneFreedomwhat do u think of the show?

Very well said. 👏🏽

I love this brosk

Amen

Til Valhalla. R.I.P.

Ikr?! He was the best.. :(. Glad you like the song also. :)

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Same

So true. :(

Beautiful and sad.

@@SweetGoddess420 Yes indeed.

Finished it yesterday and can't believe it....man they never said I love you to each other... in part 3 I want some flashbacks or at least Ellie thinking of him as she moves on and finally sing the whole song. 💔

Yes that song is such a beautiful Joel was a great friend and father for ellie

I had the exact same reaction as you did. He really didn’t deserve to die like that.

I finished it yesterday and I feel broken... I can't believe that they never said I love you to each other... and I want a part 3 where Ellie thinks of him as she moves on to the next adventure and finally sing the whole song once...💔

@@afk2514 well I’m sure Joel probably did say I love you to Ellie during those 4 years they were in Jackson, but if he didn’t, he sure did when he said, “If somehow the lord gave me a second change at that moment, I would do it all over again.” That was Joel’s way of saying I love you to Ellie.

@@RnHLyrics surely actions are powerful but it's different when you say it...

@@RnHLyrics also near the end, in Ellie's notebook she has written the lyrics " all the promises at sundown, I meant them like the rest" which are from this song but maybe they mean that she has made some promises to Joel because we have not seen him sing it all the way to that part...maybe a hint about the next game or just me having hopes of seeing another flashback of them...😪😢

I totally agree 100%. :(

I don’t agree, even his death were weird, and we all hated abby After that, but thé abby story is pretty sad too and maybe lire, because Joel Killed his father hardly, this game is so politic lmao

@@romainp3772 I respect your opinion, but I still don't think Joel deserved what happened to him. In my opinion, Abby's story wasn't even that sad and I don't think anything would make me like her.

@@romainp3772 Abby is female character dude :))), her father not his father tho.

@@JT-zf5hx yes i wrote too fast sorry

Great

Thanks

Hahah thanks a lot for that man! I appreciate it and I do the same too! :)

I love the song I can’t reply the game... I can’t see Joel’s death again it’s bs

And the very last line "This is just too good to be gone..."

@@daStonerKyd with context this is the saddest song that I have ever listened to

@@kriegcommissar3170 yeah cus even the beginning line "If I ever were to lose you I'd surely lose myself..." I believe I read somewhere that the man who actually wrote this song. Wrote it for his best friend who died

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@Owen Beecroft I don't know... it just worked for me so much. Considering my situation in life too...

@Owen Beecroft they hate it bc they killed the best character ever

Yeah I totally agree with you! Even though he wasn’t perfect, he tried his best to be better for Ellie. He didn’t deserve to die the way he did. :(

its a shame really but I can understand why they went down that path, they could have gone down a different road but lets be real... this was going to happen to him either way because the story was leading up to him dying eventually and it wouldn't be a good if they went a different storyline

He had to die, but not like that, not killing him like a dumb.

@@_luis_514 Naughty Dog doesn’t care about their characters. They literally destroyed Ellie’s life.

I think so ,Joel didn't deserve to die.

Haha same also. :)

Same dude I started because of the first game's main theme

Yeah same here.. :(

Same here! I was so sad. :(

Maybe he might mean the afterlife.

@@anessamer Maybe 🤔

Same here.

@@RnHLyrics you love this game? You said you were disappointed.

@Owen Beecroft nice

@@anessamer maybe he means the song

stay safe

Game is trash...

@@brandonlc and I respect your opinion.

That line from Tess was so sad. :(

I agree but i think its more sad knowing that now its true.

@@haleytaylor5194 Yeah I agree. :( Thanks so much for watching the video also.

Your welcome. Im glad im not the only one who misses him alot.

@@haleytaylor5194 Yeah, I miss him so much.

Nice! It's a beautiful song to play on the guitar! Good luck! :)

He didn't have to die..

He gave his real name....

Spider-Lyrics thanks! I also love the Last of us.

I cried a lot when Joel sang the song too. 😭

@@RnHLyrics when Ellie played the song I cried.

Thank you! So do i

:'(

Same here.... :/

A way that I like to think about it, that helped me. Is that we as players go through what Ellie went through. We must pass the stages of grief. Denial > Anger > Bargaining > depression > acceptance. Atleast this is what happened with me, and Ellie. I used to dismiss and be spiteful of the game before I even played it. And when i finished playing, I was depressed. But now I have accepted it, and I now view it as a complete masterpiece. No other game has brought out so many emotions and been so memorable to me.

Last of Us is supposed to be touching. Naughty Dog told us a story they wanted us to experience. This isn't Disney. Some characters die and we remember them. It's just how it is. Joel had to pay for what he did when he saved Ellie. He saved someone he loved, but killed many people who were also loved by others, like Abby. This is isn't about Joel dying, it's about so much more than that.