hey everyone I noticed that this video is getting a lot of attention so I wanted to say a few things first off that this whole show is free to watch on tubi it’s a great and long show and hella accurate to the actual campaign of Gallipoli and second of all I know it sounds cheesy but if you could subscribe and and least leave a view on my other videos that be great thanks and yes I do read every comment
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Today there is a memorial at the place, erected by the turks and with the words of Mustafa Kemal, the turkish general. It reads: "Those heroes who shed their blood and lost their lives! You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours. You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well."
@@dscrappylocogolani9555 Zero coordination between the branches and the navy using a different time system leading to the naval bombardment stopping far too early.
When you literally sending your soldiers to sensless death even your enemies start begging you to stop from other trench and cries for the soldiers dying.
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives … you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours. You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.” Atatürk, 1934
The sad thing is, they hadn't figured out the tactics to do anything else. That WAS the only tactic. You can see in the newer histories that the generals were desperately trying new ways to get around it, and they all ended... well like this. Industrial warfare is just industrial mass slaughter with mass casualties, and even today we don't really have a good answer to it (see ukraine).
"Johnny Turkey was ready. He primed himself well. He showered us with bullets, and he rained us with shells. And in 5 minutes flat, he blew us all to hell. Nearly blew us right back to Australia."
And the Band played Waltzing Maltilda. as we stopped to bury our slain. And we buried ours and the Turks buried theirs, and it started all over again. THose who were living? Just tried to surive, in the mad world of Blood, Death & Fire. for 10 weary weeks I kept myself alive, while around me the corpes piled higher. Then a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over head, and when I awoke in me hospital bed, I saw what it had done, I wished I were dead...never knew there were worse things than dying. For no more will I go Waltzing Matilda, all raound the green bush far and near. For to hump tent and pegs, a man needs both legs. No more Waltzing Matilda for me
They collected the cripples, the wounded and Maimed And they shipped us back home to Australia The legless, the armless, the blind and insane Those proud wounded heroes of Sulva And as our ship pulled into circular quay, I looked at the place where me legs used to be And thank Christ there was nobody waiting for me…to grieve and to mourn and to pity And the band played Waltzing Matilda, as they carried us down the gangway. But nobody cheered, they just stood and stared…And they turned all their faces away
I wish peace to all soldiers who lost their lives here in Turkish soil. I have been called by the Turkish Army for the mandatory service today. I'll be respectfull to anyone regardless of race, sexual oriantation and reliigon.
3 x waves of 150 men, by the 3rd wave they new they were facing almost certain death, the movie Gallipoli captures it best. The guys then went to the Western Front and the disaster of Fromelles which was an even bigger massacre. To the people of Turkey, thank you for looking after our fallen. I spent 2 months traveling through Turkey and was always met with kindness .
That's what I find interesting about Turkey - we fucking tried to invade them a century ago, and they've been nothing but cool about it. Turkish soldiers guard and participate in the ANZAC Day ceremony in Çanakkale, they treat all visitors like friends, and their food is amazing.
Women want to be equal to men? Insanity. Men can be monsters and poets. This is dark and a shame that the military was too rigid to the point of being useless. RIP mates.
Fun fact: As this was supposed to be a diversionary attack, Major General Alexander Godley ordered that the troops charge with unloaded rifles. The intent was that the charges were to be carried out with bayonnets and hand grenades only, to prevent the troops from stopping to fire and thus increase the chances of them reaching the Ottoman positions. While preliminary naval and artillery bombardment of the trenches held by the Ottomans took place, they ceased a few minutes early due to non-synchronization of timepieces. The Australians began their assault at the scheduled time, however, which allowed the Ottomans to re-occupy their positions and defend them. The results, obviously, were not satisfactory, with the 600 Australian light horsemen suffering 372 casualties for zero gain.
I am a very patriotic Turk. I visited Gallipoli just 4 days ago. I visited all the fronts.. I prayed.. This was a dramatic war as well as proud for us.. We defended our lands at the cost of our lives and it will be like this forever.. Still, it was enough to make me cry when an enemy soldier died young, perhaps without even knowing what it was for. .. I hope we never experience such things again.. Whatever happens, we are human and we are brothers..
A pointless war fought between Europeans that the Ottoman Empire had no business in entering. The empire was in serious decline and worse still stood nothing to gain from it even if the Central Powers had won. The only silver lining is that the empire finally collapsed once and for all because of it and Ataturk, one of the greatest statesmen of all time, was able to take the reigns and modernise Turkey. Sad that his legacy is being trampled on in modern Turkey, and sick that he is worshipped by the people who'd make him turn in his grave.
@@shaddaboop7998 Ataturk literally destroyed what was once a proud Muslim empire. He pushed secularism that has since wreaked havoc on Turkey. I'm glad that some modern Turks are finally portraying Ataturk as the villain that he was.
Two thirds of the brigade were casualties. Nearly a half died in action or of their wounds. No senior officers paid for the disaster. Instead they were promoted and given honors. Many of the dead were not recovered and buried until four years later.
War isn't that simple. Maybe it was a feint attack to draw reserves away from another sector where an attack or amphibious landing was to take place. Communications were pretty shite in them days and these weren't professional trained officers and soldiers who can carry out complex manoeuvres. It was still a waste of young life obviously.
I am a Turk living in Istanbul. I have visited Gallipoli twice with my kids. I have 2 ancestors killed in battles in Gallipoli; brothers of my great great parents. They were 21 and 27 years old. I have visited their burial sites. Turkish soldiers had to face similar situations many times as depicted in the movie.
I am pretty sure my great uncles did not see any single armenian in their life time as they are from central steppes of Anatolia, and I believe you can do better to help Armenians instead of bringing all topics to Armenian problem that we buried to the ground literally and figuratively a hundred years ago, and only we hear pathetic whiny moans under RU-vid videos. You can go to Karabakh to stand alongside Armenians and face the consequences. @@universalis8208
@@universalis8208 That's why Armenia denied to investigate what happened to Armenians in Anatolia. Stop believing what American Woke gave you and search yourself. You actually believing what Kim Kardashian claimed a nonsense, pathetic. The who attempted a holocaust were Armenians against Turkish villagers aka "Innocents".
Makes one circumspect when you remember that the best of Western Victoria went over the top at the Nek with the 8th Light Horse Regiment. The 8th featured a literal roll call of some of the most prominent 'squatocracy' family names, Austin, Mack, Urquhart and numerous settler families and scions of Melbourne society. Makes you wonder what would've been if they survived? And of the survivors? No wonder Paul McGinness, co-founder of Qantas Airlines, became aimless and displayed all the symptoms of PTSD after the war, dying in obscurity aged 55. He was knocked out it the first wave, surviving the day on no man's land and making it back into the trenches at night. The impact on the 8th was so great that those who survived or were 'off the line' for the charge often were promoted due to the need to reinforce the Regiment with replacement officers and NCOs An example of this was my own great grandfather, who hadn't even landed on Gallipoli when the charge occurred. He was an acting Sergeant in one of the 8th LHR reinforcement cycles and landed on the peninsula on the 16th August (9 days after the charge) as a Corporal, quickly rising to Squadron Sergeant Major in the Sinai campaign. Lest we forget
I did my thesis on this. So many myths, but with deeper research you get a clearer picture. Ottoman records do indeed indicate that a section of trench was taken and held for some time by a handful of these light-horsemen. The Ottomans did try to get them to surrender but they refused and were eventually overwhelmed. None of the supporting waves were able to reach them in support. During 9 months of field research in the 1980s I was lucky to find the remains of a pith helmet only a couple of meters from the first Ottoman trench. There is too much romanticizing of the Gallipoli campaign. It was a dirty, filthy war. Only remembered with pleasure by those who experienced a worse nightmare on the Western front.
@@Adonnus100 I did most of my primary schooling in New Zealand. One of our teachers of our teachers was a Gallipoli veteran. He was still there when we left at the end of 1976. I believe he was teaching till about 1983. I remember seeing him march on ANZAC Day, in our town. All the vets were in various groups, except for one, elderly Maori gentleman, named Parki Withers. Parki was marching alone. So, I asked our cub leader, why Mr Withers was alone. She said, it was because he was not a WWI or WWII veteran. He was a veteran of the Boer War! Parki was 92 then. He marched as briskly as the Korean War vets and lived alone, without assistance. Years later, in Australia, we heard that Parki had huge celebration for his 100th birthday. There was plenty of wine, women, and song. Parki was found dead the next morning, with a smile on his face. I went back to the town in 2015. About a half dozen times, different people told me that Parki was smiling, when he died. True.
It's said that the first wave was wiped out within 30 seconds. The second wave within a minute- And since the General refused to call off the assault? The third wave soon followed the same fate. Over 30 Machine guns covered the Nek in depth, some say it was some of the fiercest fire the Australians faced in the Gallipoli battle.
@Jamon Hartzer I read that the fourth wave accidentally stepped off- as in, they started the assault prematurely by accident and the rest of the wave ended up trying to follow into the attack and ate the same fate. A bloody time To be a young military age male.
and it is said only 3 men out of all 4 waves made it to the Ottoman Firing range. Absolute waste of young men's lives Turns out one was hit in the ankle and crawled all of the way back to their trench
I have a question. I have always heard that there was a report that said an Australian army flag in the Turkish tranches. Is this even true? I personally hasn’t looked it up.
@@barackobama0101 I've read the same thing; That they didn't cancel the waves because there were rumors that the Aussie flag had been spotted at the forward trenches of the Turkish. In my opinion? That could A: Been a very, very small handful that made it trying to get help, B: The Turks using a captured flag as deception to lure more into the meat grinder, or C: A product of the fog of war and personal hopes. You hope to see what your mind wants you to see- But in reality, it wasn't there. But those are just my opinions on it having read into the same thing!
One of the most devastating depictions of going over-the-top I've seen on screen. You can really sense the expendable nature of such warfare when each wave ends quickly with no gain and bringing another batch up. Absolutely no cover too, it's heartbreaking.
My great great aunt lost her husband at quite a young age. My nana told me that when she was a child she asked her why she didn't remarry. She was told that there wasn't anyone to marry, as so many people of her generation were all wiped out during the war. In the small town she lived in they lost more than the average
@@thebreadboy0419 Mate, the commander of the 3rd Light Horse Brigade (the guys getting killed) was an australian. Get your facts from proper sources and not tv shows
No mainly the stupidity of the Gallipoli invasion as well as the battle of the Nek. The WWI-style infantry charges are the most effective only with artillery support. The British decision to land at Gallipoli was a haste operation with severe underestimation of the Turkish army, and they used ANZAC troops as expendables which contributed to this scene.
@@longxiao9823 Well underestimating the Ottoman army was a rather understandable thing given that they had been soundly defeated during the Balkan Wars by much smaller nations and Italy before that. And the ANZACs were not treated as expendable, no general ever treats any of his troops as expendable, that would just be a waste any idiot can see that.
My eyes moisten every time I see it. His smile after saying it is priceless. Then, the smile fades, and they know what is coming, which is heart-wrenching. Bless them all. Brave gents!!
The thing is, this mini series highlighted a real issue with war back then and even now. The commanding officers know what's happening, they feel it all yet they are helpless. If they disobey the orders of their superiors they are court marshaled and almost always found guilty. People like Ian Hamilton (who was not and is no Sir) are the real enemy. Political pawns who don't care how many men die. Hamilton was exactly that. He didn't care about anyone but himself. That's why those below him ended up moving to have him ousted. I might be biased as an Australian, but I don't see how that man was honorable. Those below him who took a stand had more honor in the end than he ever did. I remember when we did the centenary at school, all of us who were 16 or older were separated from the younger grades in an attempt to show how many people you went to school with would have enlisted. When they showed during the assembly how many there were in terms of how big your school is it put things into perspective. Myself and all my friends were 16 in 2015 and when you consider that this was the youngest age where you could legally enter war back then it made you think of the absolute hell people that age would have went through and demonstrates how lucky we are today to have witnessed no major wars in some years and have tighter laws that protect the common people.
There are a great many things wrong with this post. But, just picking on one in particular, you seem to be suggesting that Sir Ian Hamilton 'didn't care about anyone but himself'. I'm sure you know this from your extensive research, but in the summer of 1918 the highly decorated Australian officer Albert Jacka VC wrote to Hamilton a letter in which he concluded, 'As a member of the Australian Imperial Force, I feel that I need scarcely say how I look forward with very great pleasure to renewing my acquaintanceship with the first General the Force ever served under [i.e. Hamilton], and also one who was held in such high esteem by all ranks. Yours sincerely, Bert Jacka.' You may not think he was 'honourable' but the Australian troops who served under him certainly did. I prefer their judgement of the man over yours.
@@henrypulleine8750 Our troops had been taught to respect him. Just because they thought he was honourable, doesn't mean he was. Culture back then was very different to today. We don't have a nation which we regard as our motherland. All those brave soldiers did and they believed they were dying for king and country. Some diaries say that. You also forget that our troops were lied to time and time again by Hamilton. If Hamilton made it more a mission to create a better strategy in Gallipoli as opposed to trying to stop Bean and Murdoch revealing the disaster of the campaign then maybe it would have been different. Had he done his job instead of worrying about a few journalists who were trying to defeat the propaganda instead of creating propaganda like todays 'journalists'. Ian Hamilton did many things wrong and in the end, the fact that many of his comrades didn't see him fit to lead anymore. There was no doubt that prior to Gallipoli he was effective, however Gallipoli showed he his age or something in him went wrong. He lost his way and effectiveness, thus losing integrity. This is stuff we learn only after war. Of course he was held in high esteem back then. It was a completely different time.
Some unfortunate points of view here. Please deepen your research into Hamilton. Gallipoli was my research masters thesis and I feel like I have a pretty good handle on his strengths and weaknesses. By the standard of generals at the time, Hamilton was a top tier commander. His weakness was not his intelligence or strategic ability. The only real criticism I can place at his feet was his inability to ride roughshod over some pretty ordinary subordinate and variously incompetent ‘junior’ generals. His organization and implementation of the worlds biggest amphibious assault was sheer unadulterated brilliance. That he got within a whisker of pulling it off was incredible. There are many things to be shocked by in this campaign, but Hamilton was not one of them.
unfortunately I would say majority of wars are not started for real reasons, but are planned meticulously by the wealthiest people on our planet, the "elites". As long as they achieve their desired outcome, they do not care about the deaths that come along with it. Hell, look at ukraine, this is our new Afghanistan. This will continue to be prolonged as long as possible so politicians and the wealthy can siphon our tax money via laundering to ukraine. When are people going to realize this?
9:53 The Turkish perspective adds that extra layer to this depiction of the Nek. In Peter Weir's Gallipoli, you get fleeting glances of the Turkish fighters because this is an Australian movie, an Australian perspective. From all accounts, the Turkish never celebrated or displayed glee over the victory. They were somber, mourning the loss as much as the Australians. There was no objective achieved. Everyone lost that day.
Never watched a scene that’s made me feel like a piece of sh*t for complaining about anything, ever. Nothing compared to what these blokes had to deal with right up at the end, absolutely heartbreaking. (Edit: I live maybe 2/3 kilometres from where the lighthorse trained before deployment to the front in Western Australia, and this just drives the entire message home even harder when you physically see where these boys had to be before this).
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives … you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours. You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.” Atatürk, 1934
Nowadays SJW complain about pronouns and you can go go prison for speaking up. If these men knew what their country would turn into they wouldve never fought. Same with the US. So many deaths in the wars just so blacks can now riot and kill innocent people. Those soldiers would rather fight for Germany would they know
Brutal. I think the only unrealistic thing here is the dead silence after each wave is cut down. They all wouldn't be killed immediately, there would have been cries of agony, making it even worse to be the next line going to their own death.
@@Say-What I think what he means is the sort of gunshot that kills outright is quite rare. Most shots are an injury. Most death is when those injuries aren't treated immediatly. For realism there should be more injured than dead.
@@nvelsen1975 well atleast he was injured when he fell into the enemy trench and it’s really not necessary to see that officer kill that young soldier he would’ve taken him prisoner.
@@Antares383 *e would’ve taken him prisoner.* He really wouldn't. Turks took around 200 Australian prisoners during the war, and for context almost 400 Australians were killed and wounded in just this assault.
will never forget shooting that scene at Coffin Bay SA. The silence on the set was palpable. Seeing some of the crew and caterers as extras and some personal items as props. Peter couldnt have done this without eveyone believing what we were creating was a history of history. I think we all.know now our belief had been validated. Best film.crew ever put on a film set
This is probably the only situation where the last line was the worst. Could you imagine seeing and hearing this massacre and just pushing up hoping they’d run out of ammo when it’s your line.
This was the problem with the strict hierarchy rank system back in those days. The colonel knew they were achieving nothing and sending all those men to die. But instead of improvising he has to follow his own orders from those incompetent superiors who do not know the severity of the situation, sitting in there comfortable lounge chairs, sending hundreds of thousands of young lives for the sake of Politics. Hell, the Colonel could of saved all those lives from a few words and called off the attack.
Here's the thing about Ottoman troopers: defending a colony? Maybe they're not too interested in dying for Bobo Pasha. But: Ottoman troopers defending home? Good luck, Tommy!
Thos ANZACS were all brave lads. Led into the mouth of murderous hell. The generals behind the lines had a lot to answer for. These brave patriotic men were genuinely treated as cannon fodder. When ever I watch this film the last scenes bring tears to my eyes.
These are mainly British soldiers with some ANZACs. In fact british soldiers outnumbered ANZACs at gallipoli and had far, far more casualties, same with the french who most dont even know were there
@@Ukraineaissance2014 I posted that comment last year in tribute to the ANZACS on Australian ANZAC day. It wasn’t comment on whose side lost most men, it was simply remembering the heroism of the ANZACS. I’m sorry you felt the need to disparage their achievements and defame them and their bravery. I’m not saying most men weren’t brave, I’m simply saying that at Gallipoli the ANZACS, thousands of miles from home ran towards German ‘slayer’ machine guns to protect the Commonwealth. They answered the call and they acted like all outstanding warriors of old….with great courage and discipline. I on the other hand would have probably got myself shot by my commanding officer because I’d have stood up and before the ranks massed before me I’d have said “fuck this, I’m having none of it. We dont stand a chance and I’m not going to spill my blood and die here for a bunch of elite war profiteers, wire pullers, masters of war. I’m going to throw my gun in the sea and I’m going to head to the nearest peaceful place and have an ice cold beer and write to my girl and tell her I’m on my way home because this war is so obviously about geopolitical issues, there is no clear enemy or reason to fight them. See you soon my love, here’s to a happy future”. I’m sure my CO would then have murdered me but then I’d have become a true martyr, dying for peace and having seen the hands pulling our wires and exposing them. My death would have meant something other than just being used as gun fodder hurled at the German/Turkish guns in hope of clogging the guns up. But that didn’t work and tens of thousands of innocent men were murdered with no hope of escape at Gallipoli.
@@kincaidwolf5184 so why keep throwing young men into the deadly fire that they knew they couldn’t stop? I like the analogy of the meat grinder, the generals wanted to push so many men toward the machine guns that they could over run the guns with dead bodies. Metaphorically clogging the guns with dead meat.
@@jackmcgregor1983 So you blame the Generals for sending men into a meat grinder but attack someone for trying to be innovative like Churchill? Who played a key role in the creation of the tank and who tried to end the war by doing an amphibious landing. You just don't understand the dynamics or technology avaliable in 1914. You couldn't do anything but throw massive infantry charges. How else do you win? The British and French couldn't just sit there when Russia was getting wiped out.
One of the saddest moments of this battle, when it became obvious a third assault was getting ready, a Turkish officer climbed out of his trench and called out in English, this is madness, for Gods sake stop it.
Türk olarak anlatıyorum olayın doğrusu şudur : Rütbesiz bir Türk askeri bir taarruza daha hazırlık yapan düşmanı dürbün ile görür. 22 yaşında olan Türk askeri neredeyse savunmasız olan düşman askerini öldürmek istemez ve "Enough" "Dont come" diyerek bağırır.
When the realization kicked in after the second line that it was pointless, made me sad. The third line made my blood boil. Great movie, provoking those emotions no problem
My maternal Grandfather served in Gallipoli. He was in a Terotorrial Battalion, the London Regiment. A battalion at the time was about 1000 soldiers including cooks etc. At the end of the campaign there were according to his account 150 left standing.
The vast majority of the ANZAC Forces were English or British born, with the rest being 2nd or 3rd generation British immigrants. The vast majority of losses at Gallipoli were by the British Army. I appreciate that you're proud to be Australian, but these men did not die for your Australia. They felt British and a connection to the British Empire and later Commonwealth.
There is apparently an account from the ottoman side they were burning their hands from touching the barrels and receiver rings on their rifles they had fired so much and so fast during one particular engagement during Galipoli.
This was just a slice of the war. You could replay this scene over and over a thousand times and still not match the scope of slaughter on the other fronts. The Italian front in particular was just like this, only with sharp rock shards flying everywhere as a bonus. Wave after wave of young Italians killed in the many battles of the Izonso.
No, by this time they were just as numb to it when you see that sort of death day in and out. Gallipoli was on a larger scale, but not new unfortunately.
@@ammonteasdale2703I don’t want to be that guy but if the gallipoli campaign was lost turkey probably wouldn’t have Istanbul today nor any other European possessions.
@@muharebe_istasyonu Enemies? What year do you think it is? It's 2024, not 1915. Even in 1915, the Australians did not have any personal hatred towards the Ottomans. They were sent there by the british and were simply doing their job. Why do you still hold hatred for something that happened a hundred years ago?
As an Australian, A kid i was a stupid idiot not caring or knowing what I had... Growing up i didn't care what I got. Getting old and researching the past i'm thankful for what I am.
WW1 was one of, if not the most brutal military conflict in history. The first of its kind in regard to heavy weapons, chemicals, and the most futile battle tactic ever, trenches. Many didn’t know that they dug their own graves when they dug those trenches. The war was so brutal that both sides had to be chivalrous in ceasefires to collect the dead and wounded from no man’s land. There were even instances of enemy soldiers helping each other during ceasefires when tending to the dead and wounded. The events of WW1 were so brutal that most nations made laws prohibiting certain weapons, behaviors and tactics.
0:57 war drama preparing 2:17 Thinking because he could affect how it plays out 4:47 building up tension 7:27 main character as the movie is invoking sympathy for him
@@colleen9026 The Turkish officer shouted at them to "Stop, for God's sake stop!" The marker was miscommunication to the Brits. The attack came late because their clocks were not aligned with the clocks of the Navy guns.
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives … you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours. You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.” Atatürk, 1934
There were four waves of 150 men each, from both the 8th and 10th Light Horse. Of the 600 men making the assault, less than 200 immediately survived; though a number of the wounded[who fell either back into the trench or were lucky enough to crawl back or be pulled in]died of their wounds later.
Sadly this is pretty firmly detached from what really happened at the Nek in 1915. In fact, it's basically entirely made up. ANZACs took 50% casualties in total - horrific losses for sure, but not 100% as depicted in this clip (casualties includes wounded). The Ottoman trenches were heavily bombarded by warships out at sea beforehand (though the ANZACs felt it was inadequate and that battleships could've been used). The attack took place at 4am, under cover of darkness, not in broad daylight as depicted here. The waves did not go one after the other and were not all immediately cut down. The attack was always going to be costly but it mainly failed because of poor coordination between artillery and the various units, who attacked out of time and wasted momentum waiting for reinforcements. It was not a foregone conclusion in of itself, though I'd argue the Gallipoli Campaign was. I think the main thing that doesn't sit well with me about this is all the crying. The real horror of war - the terrifying thing that doesn't happen anywhere else - isn't the dying and physical suffering but the dehumanisation of soldiers. Certainly the least convincing part is the crying Ottomans. The defenders were highly motivated and did not mourn the deaths of invaders (though they were recorded as being generally respectful of the dead and prisoners - I doubt they would've shot an obviously completely helpless soldier who fell into their trench).
Thank you for this information. This comment should be pinned at the top of the comments for clarity and historical accuracy. My Grandfather served in the 42nd Battalion in France,returned home after marrying the English nurse that took care of him when wounded (gas,shrapnel and shell shock)
The casualty rate was almost 2/3, not 50%, and the 2nd wave did go just 2 minutes after the 1st wave. Most experts now agree that after the 1st wave was cut down in 30 seconds, it should have been obvious to all that sending out subsequent waves was futile. While the daylight in this scene is inaccurate, as it was 4:30 am in darkness as you say, the rest of the scene is fairly accurate.
@@erickollman4441 The attack took place over several hours. Each wave was separated by hours, not minutes. I haven't seen anything saying upwards of 66% casualties, only 50%.
Us...and them... And after all we're only ordinary men Me... And you... God only knows It's not what we would choose to do Forward he cried from the rear And the front rank died And the general sat And the lines on the map Moved from side to side Black... And blue... And who knows which is which and who is who Up... And down... And in the end it's only round 'n round... Haven't you heard it's a battle of words The poster bearer cried "Listen son", said the man with the gun There's room for you inside --Pink Floyd, 1973
Did they do anything for you or just were forced to die in a meaningless war on an irrelevant battlefield? The turks at least defended their home country...
@@ferenckonya8593 "The turks at least defended their home country" Was that before or after attacking Russia unprovoked or committing Genocide against the Armenians? Also Gallipoli a little like the war of 1812 for the US went a long way to forming a national identity for both Australia and NZ, so hardly meaningless.
@@Delogros The "attacking Russia unprovoked" is funny because the alliances betweenthe powers were quite obvious and Russia was the first in the mobilization... The Gallipoli campaign was not a rescue mission for Armenians and the genocide begun two months after the beginning of the battle. Still something: How much is better to kill aboriginals in Australia than to kill Armenians in Turkey? More than 12000 Australian and New Zelandean soldiers died in a stranger continent, in a perfectly unsuccessful action, in a conflict in they were not naturally interested,...You really can be proud of it...
@@ferenckonya8593 "The "attacking Russia unprovoked" is funny because the alliances betweenthe powers were quite obvious and Russia was the first in the mobilization... " you know this sentence makes literally no sense right? Russia mobilizing for war with Ger,any has nothing to do with the Ottoman Empire attacking the Crimea unprovoked. "The Gallipoli campaign was not a rescue mission for Armenians and the genocide begun two months after the beginning of the battle." When did I ever say it was? 2 sentences down and neither of them are actually about anything I said to you :S "Still something: How much is better to kill aboriginals in Australia than to kill Armenians in Turkey?" So committing intentional Genocide at the state level is fine because the British local government in Australia let some of their colonists do bad things to the aborigines? I mean I'm certainly not going to defend the killings in the way you're desperately trying to use them to defend a genocide of the Armenians but there was no state intent to kill aborigines while the same is not true for the Ottomans. Also as a side note (not that it should matter but since you brought it up) Aborigines deaths where about 14,000, there are 812,000 today Armenian deaths where up to 1.5 Million and there are 10 Million ethnic Armenians today, so since this is the hill you seem so desperate to die on. Relative population killed - Armenians 15% compared to 1.7% of Aboriginals today (and of course over a much longer period for Australia) I'm not Australian or from New Zealand, but what you said doesn't in anyway change my original point, WW1 is what helped give these 2 countries a national identity and they where fighting entrenched Turks in pretty much the best defensive ground of the war and still managed to inflict roughly equal casualties on them which should be am embarrassment for the Turks who to be even slightly efficient had to be lead by the Germans
@@spudpud-T67 Your pfp tells me all i need to know that you are an uneducated libtard in WW2 Churchill was literally on a bridge being shelled by the Germans and had to be forced to leave Churchill was also a veteran so try learn some history before you start making it up
In reality Turkish soldiers actually yelled out to the Anzac side to stop, shed tears after watching the massacare... At night after all the fighting was over Turkish soldiers prayed for the fallen Anzacs.
@@mr.tobacco1708 That's actually really honorable. Even enemies back then had enough humanity in them to realize that it wasn't personal and that bravery is a universally commendable quality
@@Copium6921 you’re absolutely right. Technology on the battlefield has evolved so quickly over the last century that it even overwhelms commanders today. Look at the $50 drones that make multi million dollar pieces of armor obsolete in Ukraine.
@@johndoran3274 I agree commanders did try things like digging under enemy trenches or heavy artillery barrages like at the Somme but often lack of heavy guns or trained crews would mean artillery barrages fail and men would end up charging intact trenches just like the Somme and i think even this battle
@@Copium6921 before I shipped out for Saudi Arabia back in 1990 for Desert Storm, I went to the American Legion with my father and grandfather for a drink. My grandfather was a tanker in WW11 and my father did 2 tours of duty in Vietnam. I sat next to a WW 1 vet and talked with him for hours. He was part of the Marine Expeditionary Force and fought in Belleau Wood. That conversation is burned into my brain as I could see the pain in him describing the horrible things he witnessed.
@@johndoran3274 One of my family members was a tanker in WW2 he fought at El Alamaine he was later captured by the Italians and suffered through horrendous conditions (the Italians hated the British because they were losing so badly) an old Italian lady gave the prisoners some bread so the Italians hung her outside the camp he said he was glad when they were given to the Germans he died a year after the war from something he caught in the prisoner of war camps another one of my family died a few weeks after Normandy he was shot by a German Sniper and drowned in his own blood war is very sad but young men will always want to fight
One of my ancestors Corporal Denis Duval 10th Light horse died there. He was in the third wave. They never recovered his body. Incredibly brave men killed by the ineptness of Lieutenant Colonel John (Bull) Antill (later Major General with other royal awards) who ordered the attacks to continue. Makes me sick!
Nothing more chilling than understanding how stupid it is to go over the top after: you blow a whistle and have everyone know you're coming with A- no previous artillery barrage, no smoke screens, and no well planned flanking mission. To understand you have to die for no reason at all. So dumb.
This was really the first modern war that wasn't lines of people firing muskets or single shot rifles at each other where machine guns and other weapons were just being designed and fielded the people higher up were expecting it to be like every other war but it wasn't
To put it simply the Brits did not care for the Australians, if the 1000 died for that line on a map so be it. The British not wanting to lose their pwestige lost Hundreds of Thousands of lives.
@@rexisnox577 strange this was an Australian officer commanding majority british troops then, and that british casualties at gallipoli far outweighed australian
You the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well." Mustafa Kemal ATATURK
This is a GREAT series and a fantastic study of personalities and command mindset. Though I caught a slip in your snippet as they were loading the clips. They filmed a dummy round (drilled hole in casing) being loaded to the clip. The actor playing the self-proclaimed 'Abo', also plays in the more h'wood dramatic film of the same battle, soon to be released.
In 1919 Charles Bean the Australian historian went back to Gallipoli and walked the Nek battlefield, he wrote that the bleached white skeletal remains of those who fell 7/8/1915 thickly covered the ground. There were still scraps of uniform on the troopers bones. The Turks had just left the bodies to rot after the allies left Gallipoli. RIP Brave men. Another sad fact is that there were at least two sets of brothers in the 8 light horse that were killed that morning. RIP
Why do we fight isn't life short enough, just to look how beautiful our home Earth is and the heart we been given to love our precious life's ❤️ Thou shall not kill. David Lloyd Bridgland.
I remember this scene from when I watched it and seeing them put their photos on the wall of the trench and running to their deaths, something i doubt any one has the guts to do now. I serve to remember them.
Not taking anything from the Anzacs, but the Gallipoli campaign cost many more British casualties, more Indian and Gurkha casualties and I believe more French casualties than the losses suffered by Australian or New Zealand troops. It should be remembered by Australia and New Zealand but many Australian people believe that the upper class English high command sacrificed the Anzacs and kept the British troops safe, and the reality is that many of the Anzacs were actually born in the British Isles and probably considered themselves to be British soldiers. Like I said, I'm not denigrating the sacrifices made by Australia and New Zealand but it seems that the Australian public is convinced that it was the evil British aristocracy sending Aussie volunteers to their deaths, when the allied forces consisted of a relatively small fraction of Anzacs and the total number of English casualties was much higher than the number of Anzac casualties.
The vast majority of the ANZAC Forces were English or British born, with the rest being 2nd or 3rd generation British immigrants. The vast majority of losses at Gallipoli were by the British Army. The so called British aristocracy had a higher % of being killed then the average infantry men, especially as their sons were the junior officers leading the waves forward.
Yeah, it was directed at the officers who sent those men out. The Turks also suffered many needless losses in massed attacks into machine guns and artillery. That war was nothing but murder.
This is a hard watch, such courage from young men going to almost certain death. My great uncle won a VC at Gallipoli and as a young and stupid boy I was a little unimpressed that it was for saving life not killing the enemy. Now I realise that his courage in disregarding his own safety to stay save a wounded comrade says a whole lot more about the best of humanity.
@@longxiao9823 for the doctrine of the time it was very effective against many formations, having the constant fire downrange that volley fire had was pretty decent Volleys could take down waves of charging troops, lines of troops, and various other formations
Tell that to the Ottoman army besieging Vienna in 17.century who then suddenly realises Jan Sobieski and his winged hussars at right their behind galloping their horses towards them lol. Peace out from Istanbul
