Game of Thrones 8x04 "The Last of the Starks" (PART 2) 

Marley Mal I never thought of it that way Now I’m even more depressed 😨😢

fuck i didn't realize that :(

and still people can't stop complaining about Dany going mad... i hate it... she has lost everything! ... She isn't like her father, who was upsessed with burning people alive... she is just angry and wants to get her revenge... revenge that is rightfully hers! And still people keep comparing her to her father and say that she is a bad person! She is not! She is an emotionally reasonable and relatable queen! She lost Khal Drogo, her unborn, Barristan Selmy, Jorah, Viserion, Rhaegal, the Dothraki and Missandei.... It is just rude to state, that she is even worse than Cersei! And Jon never wanted the crown... why would he take it from her?! I already can hear people complaining, if/when she executes Varys... but she has the right to do so! He betrayed her and did exactly, what he promised not to do; to look for a person better fitted to rule the realm without telling her and giving her plausible advice! Even Ned executed an innocent Brother of the Nightswatch, eventhough he only wanted to warn them ... because it was his duty... and so is it Daenerys' duty! So yeah Dany... DRACARYS! Almost every single being in Kingslanding has earned to burn, because they bowed to Cersei... the real MAD QUEEN! Burn down the Red Keep and get your revenge... and let Drogon have his revenge for his fallen Brothers! So honor Missandei's will and the will of every single friend you lost and avenge them! YOU ARE A DRAGON... BE A DRAGON my darling

@@leonaminor9302 Sheer madness condoning genocide. Nazi level stuff here mirroring the holocaust.

I miss Sandei.

“Who hurt u?”

She doesn't have a claim to anything in Westeros. Queen of nothing and queen of the ashes. Indeed. Mad queen Dany, from the beginning.

I cried for Rhaegal, I cried for Viserion, I cried for all the Dire wolves, I hate this show so fcking much for its cruel treatment of the loyal animals.

@@aaljan2339 Dany is responsible for their deaths. She should have stayed home in Mereen and spared all those lives. Instead she is a tyrant like Cersei trying to take something that was never hers to begin with. Let Aegon and Westeros sort out their own affairs.

@@jdsthird - if Daenerys isn't entitled to the throne than neither is Jon, genius. House Targaryen have no right to the throne after they lost the rebellion. Daenerys needed to take it back through conquest.

@@icechoc No she doesn't. It's a story her cray cray brother told her. It's a lie. There is a succession which Dany has said she was in line for all this time until she found out the truth. Now she wants everyone to lie for her. A conquering tyrannical liar. Not fit to rule anything. Mereen might have her back but Daario won't. She should sail for home immediately instead of dying in a strange country that doesn't want her.

i understand you as well

SoulPatroller me too! 💔

I understand as well.

my pain tooo

ME TOO

😂😂😂😂😂

I 2000 just saying stab someone in the heart with some dragonglass and this can all be over okay👌🏼

That'd be a pretty dumb idea as she would have a lot of trouble ruling 7 kingdoms of dead people.

Kristofferrea I’m just saying it’s better than her current state and she could always go back to essos and rule there

@@TheNightKingLTD I'm sorry dude but they literally stated in the show that he wanted to kill ALL life. That includes Essos too.

Best part

Her avenging the people who killed and destroyed her family should be fair. BUT PEOPLE WILL STILL CALL HER THE MAD QUEEN FOR THAT. funny how Arya literally got celebrated when she went all mad killing everyone. THE DANY HAT IS INSANE. our queen deserved so much better.

Blame the writers. Not the people. They suddenly turn her into a total madwoman

@@svenr.3803 No they didn't. shes' not insane. But she may be insane for power. BUt she has always been. However, if she burns kings landing it may be justified. if Varys and Tryion betray her they may do it for the right intentions, but they will be viewed as traitors.

@@itsokbro7116 Personally, I was obsessed with Dany until season 7. I started liking her less and less ever since. As of now, I can't wait for her to die. Seven hells, I prefer Sansa at this point.

Theon Greyjoy how could you prefer Sansa? What has she done till this day that has helped this war in any way possible?

The Night King “Awww he’s healing well, they are flying towards Dragonstone, their home..my babies” -> “WTF just happened!!!!! Noooo~~~!!”

Well.............

She promised if he ever betrayed her that she would burn him alive!

J.F.L. Bousquet i agree. Good guys never win. She lost all her armies and ships and now only has like 10 unsullied and 1 dragon left. And for what? A snobby Stark family who alienates and trashtalks her. Shouldve seized the throne first and let the north fall to the Night King. Now Cersei is pretty much unbeatable. Gee, thanks a lot.

I agree with that, it might actually have saved far more lives since Highgarden and all the southern armies would have still been around to help defend Winterfell.

That's the thing, she actually wanted to burn the red keep only and kill cersei but tyrion once again told her *not* to do that because she would be QuEeN oF tHE aSHeS! Everything Dany has lost, has been because she listens to either tyrion or varys and look where that's gotten her. Fuck this shit.

She looked exactly how expected from losing her dragons, her armies and her best friend. She is enraged! Does that mean she needs to burn everything to gain that stupid throne??? NO! Are you Daenerys fans or not? She needs to find the clever way, not the brutal way of her ancestors, if she wants to win and stay a winner! She needs to find the way that will gain her the love of the people. Without that, she is not Daenerys, she is just another Targaryen invador. And that is why Tyrion is still rooting for her. HAVE FAITH PEOPLE!

Why is it bad writing to kill Rheagal and Messandei? The only bad writing was how they killed them (specially Rheagal). This will not have a good ending for Dany and if you thought it would be otherwise, you haven't paid attention throughout the show. Also I don't think George RR Martin will do it otherwise, maybe how it happens, but in the end the result will be the same.

@@pilzbier5271 Nobody thought this would have a happy ending. We know what game of Thrones is. But to destroy a character in 1 episode is absolute shit. They literally had to push her so hard for this to happen. Jorah dying, Jon not wanting her anymore, making her feel isolated and she literally had a panic attack, killed Rheygol and destroyed her fleet, and then kill her bestfriend after they put her back in chains... in one episode lol HOW! Its stupid and unnecessary.

NatashaNicole thank you

@@pilzbier5271 I agree!

@@natashahart25 1 episode? She's been cray cray from day 1. Not because she's a woman...because of genes and genetics. Her father was mad and her brother was insane. Is it any wonder she's touched too? This has been 8 seasons in the making and she is as she started, a tragic hero.

I want to ride the kraken!

The next episode will be last for you. You are not going to survive..

J S sorry only Cersei gets to do that ;-)

@@lucifermorningstar2919 but she's up the duff atm. Don't you want to have a bit of fun on the side?

J S maybe depends if they baby is mine because I’m kinda curious how tyrion knew about it (if it turns out she cheated on me I’m up for anything DM me)

@Not Alfie Τhank you! I've been saying this ever since the episode aired.

@@Eleni1002 it's just like Jimmy Macram said, "How are yall mad that Game of Thrones isn't going the way yall wanted?"

@@kmjkmjkmj I am hoping that ultimately Dany will prove everyone wrong, and when they beg for her to rule, she walks away, and leaves the ungrateful traitors to it, and either goes back to Mereen, or flies off east.

@@kmjkmjkmj Also, Tormund blubbering like a baby to the Hound. Its not like he lost her, she never showed any interest in him to begin with.

Jamie L Yeah he didn’t even get a pet or a good boi he just got told I don’t want you fuck off with tormund we now need a spin off where all the cgi budget is spent on ghost

so true

It honestly seems they hate the direwolfs.

Jon will be with ghost again. I feel it.

Those bastards!

Cersei knows it perfectly well. That is her plan - to lure enraged Daenerys and her last dragon into the trap and have the last dragon killed. That's why the smile. If Daenerys attacks now - she will be dead.

Yeah, it seemed a bit like what Ramsey did with Jon, by killing Rickon :/

This has always been foreshadowed, and this isn't the first time she's shown to have self-indulgent and power-hungry actions.

I don’t think she’s crazy. She’s suffered a lot of losses and she has always been a bit impulsive. She about to potentially lose a battle she could have easily won had she attacked king’s landing like she wanted to. She’s super pissed, rightfully so

@@missliss2581able She's been cray cray from the start. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

That foreign whore should have stayed in Essos. She murders and crucifes thousands.. to "free" the slaves.. then abandoned them. She is a psycho. Countless thousands will continue to die because of danny and her father issues. "My daddy blah blah blah" She needs to let it go and rule in Essos... where she belongs.

@@MissMusicForYou Really? And if the character was male he would just be some bad arse, total bullshit.

@@GeorgeAlexander3110 I just wanted to say, and I hope you don't take offence, that I always believed that Daenerys' trajectory as a character was dark and tragic; but what d&d are doing is so ham fisted and rushed that I don't even find it believable. I'm sorry this season is going to be so unpleasant for you because I've always enjoyed watching your enthusiastic reactions and yeah...this writing is poor. Book!Jon would shank this pretender for abandoning Ghost lol

i don't know... Cersei is pregnant...

@@cnmcnm5853 well...when Bronn told him he didn't think Cersei had a chance, Jaime didn't go rushing off. He only did that when he found out the playing field had been evened and that a lot of people might die as a result. I mean I could possibly be wrong...

yes... good point.

ooh this comment didn’t age well

yea it makes for a weak takeover. reminds me of when Stannis went to fight the Boltons. in two episodes he had lost his whole army

Honestly it just makes me think they wrote themselves in a corner, because they needed a conflict with Cersei, but if Dany still had her army mostly intact it would be over in 2 minutes So they had to find a way to even the odds and they did it via incredibly stupid battle tactics (who tf sends light cavalry in the dark against 100k enemies ?) and horrible writing

Yea it's weird like when Dany went to Westeros it has felt like stalling and stalling where they came up with the whole White Walkers in Winterfell thing so she would lose a lot of her army. Even going to Dragonstone in Season 7 was weird because if you look at the map Dragonstone is very close to King's Landing. like it's crazy close. It is baffling why wouldn' you directly attack KL when it's your neighbour basically. Dany should have forgotten about Dragonstone and go directly to KL. The writers did incredible gymnastics. And I have no idea how George is going to do that in the books. But it has felt phony and not very realistic.

They’ve actually been chipping away at her forces since episode 7-2. It wasn’t just over two episodes at all

what we're saying was it was convenient. she would have been better off going to KL in Season 7

Kindly fuck off and stop excusing D&D’s horrendous POS writing. Dany did not deserve to lose everything after helping everyone selflessly.

do you know what i do agree partially with what you're saying, my issue isn't with Dany's evolution its the writing off it, D&D wanted this to end quickly and there has been no time to build on her character, had they done another season or two of full 10 episodes, they could have explored this, and her delve into darkness or into whatever she is becoming, but they didn't, they did it in 2 episodes, it just doesn't make sense where all these "i worry about her mental state" where does that even come from , at what point between winds of winter and now , has she really lost her mind, shes done nothing but fight her enemies, , that's my issue

@@GeorgeAlexander3110 Don't get me wrong. I do have major issues with D&D's writing of this season, especially last weeks episode.

@@AlayneLucia Deserve? A lot of people on this show don't deserve what happens to them. What have you been watching all these years?

@@GeorgeAlexander3110 I think the worries about her started way back in season 4, with Ser Baristan when she crucified the masters. These are people who are quite familiar with her father. Their concerns didn't hatch out of nowhere. And she still has the chance to prove them wrong. In fact I think there's a good chance she will. she still has a good heart and while she can be justifyably vengeful and fierce, she can still keep things under control

I’ll be honest, I thought he had died that episode. Granted, it was hard to see to be sure. 😂

I think they did it this way so the audience is going to really hate Cersei and Euron for the endgame. But yeah, this episode was full of bad writing.

GRRM said the book series and show has the same ending. So wake up. It's not the writing on the show. You just don't like the monsters your favorite characters have been. They have always been monsters. *Cheers*

jdsthird how about you actually read the things GRRM has said about the ending of the show and books? He said that ‘along the way, the show trails off from the books’. And would you really say that ALL of Dany’s acts throughout seven entire seasons are ‘monstrous’? Would you say that freeing slaves and trying to keep the peace in Meereen is ‘monstrous’? no. Poor writing on D&D’s part has forced Dany into a position where she loses everything she’s ever cared about purely for shock value and so that they have an excuse to (probably) have Jon kill her off by the end. Again, just for shock value. Not because it’s ‘good storytelling’ or doing Daenerys’ character justice. D&D obviously don’t care about being good storytellers anymore than they care about shock value for audiences. They even admitted themselves that the only reason they had Arya kill the NK was because no one was expecting Arya to be the one to do it.

@@madisongeorgia4692 GRRM has the same ending for Dany. Queen of the ashes. It's in the book series, forget about the show. Stop blaming everything on D&D and write GRRM to tell him to finish what he started. He's missed his self imposed deadlines for over a decade now. He said himself he is struggling with writing TWOW. It's unnecessarily fattened with secondary characters and subplots that have no relevance to the main story. This was originally a trilogy that ballooned into more than 7 books. Place blame where it belongs. The story is the same.

jdsthird the story might be the same for Dany’s outcome. But you have to admit that at least GRRM would make it logical and make sense. The deaths of Rhaegal and Missandei were hugely unnecessary and it’s so obvious that the writers are picking the ‘better’ endings for THEIR favourite characters. Personally, I’m hating Sansa more and more every episode yet I know that strictly because she’s one of D&D’s favourite characters, she’ll probably be happy by the end.

jdsthird they even said themselves that they couldn’t care less about fan’s opinions on characters. They’ve made it clear that THEY are going to make GoT what THEY want it to be. And by doing this, they’re contradicting ALL the major plot lines that they’ve spent seven seasons building up. If that’s not poor writing, I don’t know what is.

Burn them all..? Like, the innocent kids and stuff?

Anon Ymous she is 100% dying next episode, this episode they basically confirmed that jon is going to be the king. Fk this shit

Anon Ymous more like she lost 95% of her army

dany stan I feel completely the same way. Just seems the writers care more about shock value this season than writing a good finale

On the one hand you say that Dany should not be turned into "The Mad Queen Daenerys" but on the other hand you say that she should burn them all?!

pilzbier the thing is though, there’s a huge difference between being ‘mad’ as in Psychopathic and insane, and ‘mad’ as in angry and vengeful.

@@madisongeorgia4692 anger and vengeance won't win you the love of the people. The people of Westeros will never accept Dany. She didn't grow up there, she is a stranger to them. A stranger with a huge weapon. The only way she will get Cersei off the throne is if she kills all the civilians to do it. And if she kills all the civilians to do it, she will never be accepted as Queen. I think she is right. Her destiny is to rid the world of tyrants. But she will have to become a tyrant to beat Cersei. Her story arc is meant to he tragic I think.

Jamie L doesn’t mean it’s doing Dany’s character justice though. Considering everything she’s accomplished over seven seasons.

I'd accept the inevitable now. They're screwing up the show.. badly. I'm sorry that I spent so many years caring about these characters and praising the show.

@@kyliem3728 They are screwing nothing. That is Game of Thrones if you don't have stomach for it go watch Disney Star Wars

@@MrKrzykol Nope, I'm going to keep my opinion that they're screwing everything. I watched this show for 7/8 seasons like everybody else and my stomach was fine through it, but I'll call out sh** when I see it. You're entitled to think what you like about the show, but don't tell me how I should feel or what I should watch.

@@MrKrzykol fans are allowed to be pissed and criticise the direction they're taking the show. Doesn't mean they "don't have the stomach for it" 🙄

😂😂😂 I saw how happy he was I couldn’t help but 😂 he was so happy 🤣😂😂. #riprhaegalgonebutnotforgotten

Glad to know I am not the only one who had to laugh :))

Oh the joys of what would have been if Sansa and Tyrion died in that crypt

She knows How to rule??? Ive seen in meeren hahahahahaja, even kiling a LOT of inoccent. Really NICE

@@igorthadeu6094 killing innocent?? When? She freed thousands of slaves and kill the masters. You clearly haven't seen tge show or paid any attention other way you wouldn't be talking stupidity

Yes, she is a tyrant like Cersei.

Stupid comment, how do you know that she isn't a ruler? Her aim was to get the 7 kingdoms back, she hasn't done that, she's had to fight and conquer her way to get into a position to do that, she hasn't had a chance to rule yet.

@@jdsthird tyrant? Till now how is she any tyrant? the hell has she done so far to make her a tyrant? Yeah She seriously can't be a ruler now by herself. Can't handle the throne alone but All she has done these whole 7 years was saving people. If it weren't for her everyone would be dead. She saved everyone. Yeah yeah she'll go mad and become a tyrant maybe the next 2 eps but so far what the hell has she done to make her a tyrant? Oh burning the enemies, lannister armies? this is war not some goody goody crap. Ageon was the greatest king of the seven kingdoms and his reign was formed with shedding thousands of people's blood. Cuz it's war and conquering. Jon killed people. All the people tending to rule somewhere did. What's the difference between killing ur enemy with a sword or fire? U can call her a tyrant after she goes mad and burn innocent people not now cuz she logically isn't a tyrant rn. Then again if ur one of those hating or loving a character unconditionally fans being all emotional and stuff without even looking at what's actually happening in the story then there's nothing to tell u.

@@SJlight-jp1uy I have been following all the characters on the show and books. Dany has been cray cray from the start. She had good people around her to keep her in check. She doesn't have a legitimate claim to the throne and she knows that now. It was foreshadowed in the earlier seasons (and books) that she'd never sit on the throne and that KL would be ashes. Go home to Mereen and stay there. She led people to their slaughter for power hungry reasons. That's tyrannical. She's straight up cray cray like her brother and father. Always has been. I see what's there. I don't follow characters blindly because they have dragons and occasionally do good things by accident. She is a good character that people can identify with but like all other characters she is complex and layered. Not entirely perfect. Flawed and human. That's how GRRM writes his characters.

@@aaljan2339 She is entitled power hungry tyrant. The iron throne does not belong to her and now that she knows it she wants to lie to continue her quest for power no matter how many people it kills. It's not stupid. We're watching and reading the same material. You see what you want to see, just like I do. GRRM does not write good and bad characters, they are all flawed. No one is a goody two shoes no matter how much we want our favs to be.

Everyone on this show has done horrible things including Jon and Sansa. If that's the case they all should be evil. But Danny has done way more good than bad and you're ignoring that.. do you even know understand her character?

@@natashahart25 I understand shes done more good than bad. But let's face it she abandoned slavers bay to pursue a selfish goal. She fought with jon at winterfell but shes loosing everything and everyone, which if you watch the trailer to joker is how true madness is born. And no before you ask I'm not saying shes gonna be as evil as the joker

@@johnathankorkie4984 Abandoned? Isn't that the whole point. She freed the slaves, and allowed them to follow their own path. That's not abandonment, it's liberation.

@@shooterrick1 she put daario in charge. With him in the leadership role meereen is probably a shit show. And they just squashed a rebellion the issues are clearly not resolved there

Mistress of weirdness 84 Jaime ended things with brienne so that she wouldn’t follow him on his quest to kill cersei he knows she is the root of his evil and killing her will finally set him free

Arya Stark thanks Arya for the reassurance 😄❤️ Aaarrgghh this show has me on a roller coaster

Mistress of weirdness 84 he knows cersei has tried to kill him twice now and he knows if he brings brienne he can never gain Cersei’s trust to kill her he has stated multiple times he wants to be a better man and he knows that as long a cersei is alive he cannot be it’s the only thing that makes sense given his character arc

when Jaime learned that Cersei had destroyed Dany's ships that is when he deciced to go there probably to end Cersei. But since it's a suicide mission, he probably knows he may die and so he came up with some lie so she would not follow him

Jon snow is not Jon snow anymore they have ruined all of the characters 😭

I mean it’s understandable

Alicia but it’s not shitty writing

@Time Traveller Jon is not a ruler, he is too foolish and simple-minded.

Me looking at Ned Stark: "So no head?"

But they all deserved to burn, every one of them, she is a ruler, bow or die, simple, and if she was a man no one would be questioning this.

@@aaljan2339 I'm not convinced that she's a ruler. She doesn't seem to have the patience, temperament or wisdom that a good ruler needs. Maybe Dario was right when he told her "You're not a ruler... you're a conqueror." I agree with that statement. As far her being a woman, I don't think that's why the audience question her abilities at all. Stannis was criticized. Euron and Bailon were criticized. Robert was questioned. Joffrey was most certainly questioned, as was Roose Bolton. They were all criticized for the same reasons as Dany... for their actions.

Surprise! Things don't always go the way you want! =D There's been enough plot armor already, if she dies she dies, that's war

this didnt age well lol

@@tebbysweet7555 Yeah my wishful thinking demolished by incredibly shitty writing. No matter how many times I rewatch GOT, I'll never watch anything past 6x10 again

She listens to me 😂❤️

Exactly. Sansa never trusted Daenerys because she's a Targaryen. They're just letting distrust and hatred based a last name (aka judging a child for the sins of their fathers) be justified.

Kylie M yeah but don’t say just Sansa because arya is the one who bluntly said she won’t trust anyone except her family and honestly I understand their reasoning for that the Starks have to stick together because when they didn’t in the past their family were almost wiped out - plus I did forget Sansa mainly just wants the north to have independence or have someone in he throne who is from the north it seems

@@kdvn1 That's true. I was thinking of the first episode when it seemed like Arya was just siding with Sansa, and Arya didn't seem to judge Daenerys on her family name. But she did say that this episode, and although I get them wanting to stick together, but they seem to be taking it too far with putting up walls to anybody who isn't a Stark.. which only leaves a few of them and doesn't allow for them to have anybody else in their lives. And ultimately Sansa is threatening to tear the family apart anyway by breaking the promise she made to Jon.

Kylie M yeah I agree I’m hoping there’s like a big twist or something that the Starks planned that would result in a better ending

Lol how edgy you are. Not. It's not even about Dany; it's about 7 seasons of character arc and progress being thrown outside the window in favor to appeal to mysogynist incels like you. Choke xo

nOT TO MENTION alllll the other characters they have fucked up as well. this is just about Team Targ lol.... fuck this shit.