Game of Thrones WHAT IF: Cersei and Robert's First Child Survives 

I think Joffery would have always turned out as a monster regardless if he was born first or not, as he clearly showed signs as a child (killing cats).

What if Tywin was a minute later busting into the throne room to declare victory and Cersei actually poisoned Tommen thinking it would be Stannis?

Stannis wouldn’t be King, but he’d make a good Hand.

I can imagine Orys as a pretty cool dude. He has the warrior blood of the Baratheons, their size and strength. He has their happiness (Stannis is an exception lmao) and their easiness in making friends. But at the same time, he has the Lannister blood. He’s ruthless, ambitious, cunning, cold and silent when necessary, intelligent and willing to do anything for his house and family. And I know; He’s both cold *and* happy? Well it’s more of a, he can choose between them. Like when someone tests him by insulting him and shit, he won’t go Bobby B and smash them, but more of a Tywin, crushing them with words and then later having them completelly destroyed. So he’s not as hot blooded as most Baratheons. But when he’s at parties, he’s not brooding like Stannis and Tywin. He parties hard and celebrates with the many people he befriends. Honestly King Orys I Baratheon, would be fucking amazing

My guess ahead of watching: they would have still had a toxic family dynamic, but without Ned being able to proclaim the crown prince's bastardy, he could have focused on helping them get their shit together. FR Robert should have named Supernanny his hand

I don't think little finger would let Sansa die, she reminded him of her mother. he would find a way to get her out or would not frame her at all. That would change things.

I really feel like the North wouldn’t have Robb as their champion in a trial by combat. I guess it’s plausible but there’s so many better options and I think even Sansa would know that. I also doubt she’d risk her brother like that.

Margaery and Olenna are clever- if she gets to the Iron Throne they’ll listen even it comes to beyond the wall, just depends if their armies are enough…

If only Brandon Stark had finished Littlefinger during their dual. Here's a what if scenario, What if Robert Baratheon died of his wounds after the Battle of the Trident.

I don't think Cercsi would be as crazy protective of her children if she never lost her firstborn. Also I think Bronn would still stick around cause Tyrion and still showed up at the Inn and met Bronn.Brown. Also with the Starks still in Winterfell the North would help defend the wall from the wildings

What if daenerys didn't burn kings landing What if the valyrian freehold conquered westeros What if the tragedy of summerhall never happened What if Robert found out about jon snow's parentage What if the assassin killed Catelyn and Bran What if stannis sided with aerys in Robert's rebellion

Still got my list: What If: Robb campaigned for The Iron Throne? What If Quellon Greyjoy didn’t die at the Battle of The Mandor? What If Young Griff was in the show? What If Baelor “The Blessed” didn’t die and tried to convert Westeros to The Seven? What If Ned was smart and sent his daughters to Dragonstone before he tried to arrest Joffrey and Cersei? What If Stannis died at The Battle of Blackwater? What If Ygritte was taken prisoner and not killed at The Battle of Castle Black? What If Bittersteel became King instead of Daeron? What If Haegon Blackfyre and Bittersteel won The Third Blackfyre Rebellion? What If The Blackfyres built their own empire in Essos instead of campaigning for Westeros (similar to Daenerys)? What If Brienne took Stannis to The Night’s Watch instead of executing him? What If Ser Dennis Mallister won The Night’s Watch election? What If Lysa Arryn joined Robb? What If Lysa Arryn joined Stannis (Robin marries Shireen)? What If Stannis waited for The Wildlings like Davos suggested?

In the books: Queen Cersei did got once got by King Robert. She aborted the child by drinking Moon tea.

Ned would be super protective of Orys. He wouldn’t do anything to rock the boat so he could ensure there’s no shenanigans.

I have to have a disagree about the scorpion, Jorah was distracted by barristan selmy so if he wasn’t there Jorah Mormont would’ve successfully protected Daenerys, You keep forgetting about that detail.

Hey! Glad your back! What if King Robert Baratheon had Mycella marry Robb Stark instead of Joffrey and Sansa?

I think Robert is an absentee father regardless of his child's hair color. He'll continue to be selfish and disinterested in Cersei. I think the change will be in how Cersei treats the child... which would be with contempt as it would remind her of Robert. Part of the root of Joffrey's awfulness comes from Cersei feeding his eventual narcissism with how beautiful and perfect he is. She spoiled him. (Another part would come from being inbred.) If a trueborn child is born, he may develop a well placed distrust of his mother and her motives. If Cersei continues to have sex with Jaime, then she'll likely produce pure Lannister children which may contrast enough with her trueborn child to bring their parentage into doubt. If she has children by Jaime, Cersei will know who fathered it, so she's going to act upon this in some way.

The Starks would definitely not have one of their future head lords fight in a trial by combat, Great Jon Umber or somebody else.

I think he would have called this child Steffon (after his father). And wouldn't the Riverlands tried to intervene on Sansa's behalf or Brynden Tully (a.k.a. the Blackfish) be Sansa's champion in the trial by combat. Plus if Sansa is framed for killing King Orys, with what reason would Littlefinger tell why Sansa has killed Orys? I mean she wouöd be Queen so why would she be so stupid (especially if he has not given her a reason to kill her, like mistreating her in someway Joffrey did in the show). Explanation please. Oh, and another what if... for you: What if Catelyn for some reason or other kills Littlefinger in King's Landing, before Littlefinger can act the way he acts in the show?

I think things are totally different , like you said I believe Robert would care and be close to his real son , when Cersi says Robert beat his hands bloody on the wall after the boy passed shows how much he cared and loved the boy , he would have shown that boy how to be a man and the boy would be big and strong like Robert and he would not be as babied by Cersi because she wouldn't have the pain and fear of losing a child , I believe the boy would grow to a great prince and I believe Cersi and Roberts relationship is a lot better and so she doesn't run into Jamie's arms , so Robert has a strong warrior son to take over and learn from his hand ned stark and becomes a great ruler and the barathions form a dynasty for a 1,000 years lol

While this is absolutely amazing there are two small things you forgot. If Sansa (who would be of age by this time) Married Orys- and he was king then there would be kings guard they’d know she was innocent. And the girl can’t lie yet. 2) she’d still have Lady. Arya would still have Nymeria. Because THAT was due to Joff being a little psycho and mommy wouldn’t need to call for Lady’s death. The rest of this I would read this fanfic in a heart beat. Omfg.

His name would be Eddard, lets not kid ourselves.

If Cersei was prego with Oris , that might have affected the conception time of Joffrey , maybe Joffrey was never born and the next in line would be tommen .

I think some of what you said earlier in the story would definitely be correct, but I think once Robert dies Stannis would be more involved to protect his nephew. Especially if he knew of the research about the other Lannister kids. He probably would have told Rennly. Also I think Melisandre would be helping Stannis with her vision in the flames. So I don't think Stannis will die. As far as we know Melisandre comes no matter what so even if it gets the point in your story of Rennly vs Stannis shadow son happens and Rennly dies. However I think Mel helps Stannis prevent his nephews death or at the very least has Stannis get himself a position on his nephew's council as Master of War. So if his nephew does die I think he will be closer to take over. Also I don't think Loras convinces Rennly to try to take the throne in this scenario. I think part of the reason Loras was a little more assertive in the original story was because a better opportunity was presented. There was a lot of chaos with the line of succession. However it would be much more clear with Stannis right there and Stannis with his strategic mind would have a plan in place and with Melisadre to help would insure Stannis would take over. So I don't think here Loras would try it because Stannis would be closer if Orys dies. However those are just my thoughts. I think the way you told it was interesting.

Man, thats a great scenario. I never really thought about it. Robert and Cersei had a great scene in the show that makes me want them as a power couple.

I think that you're a bit too pessimistic when it comes to the North stuff. Tyrion isn't a good fighter but he's so high born they wouldn't dare hurt him, and he's so educated he'd make a great asset. Maybe if Aemon dies at the same time ish, he might be sent to train at the citidel. And if the North isn't in a real war, its likely they'd send an army up to help defend the wall against mance.

I love the idea of him just saying "Hi I'm Orys" every time he goes somewhere.

I don't think your theory is incredibly far off, but I also don't think that it would play out that way at all. Robert and Cersei's kid would have been older, around 18 by the time that he was conceived. He might have been only around 16 if they didn't have him right away. Robert wasn't as big of a drunken mess until after his child with Cersei died. I think this changes Robert and it would have made the Orys storyline different. Him being half Lannister would have also made him a bit wiser. With Tywin as hand since Ned would likely die, I don't think Orys would die which takes away the Sansa trial arc. Even if Sansa does go on trial for murder, there is no way the north would let a child go fight for Sansa's honor. I think it'd be someone more like Great John Umber. I also don't believe littlefinger would put Sansa on the line for this either.

What if Tyrion ran away and escaped on the horse instead of saving Caitlin on the way to the vail

The Oris - Joffrey relatonship would be key. If Oris has any of the Robert charisma he might be able to temper much of that Joffrey crazy. The real threat to Oris would be Littlefinger.

If it was a true born son, then he'd be the heir, no questions asked. If it was a true born daughter, then there might be a possible succession crisis, not just within the Seven Kingdoms, but the succession within the head of House Baratheon. The true born daughter would marry Robb Stark, though the second son from this union would bear the Baratheon name.

Why wouldn’t Cersei use the mountain? Also why would they wait weeks for Rob to come down to kings landing …

Orys’ Small Council would be Ned as The Hand, Tywin as Master of War/Armies, Stannis as Master of Ships, Varys as Master of Whispers, Little Finger as Master of Coin, Renly as Master of Laws, Grand Maester Pycelle, Ser Barristan if he wants it too.

"Banging like a pair of overused cymbals in a marching band" me - pulls a Sean Bean character and dies.

I think that if Orys was a part of got (and looked like that) Robert would love him and he would be a good father to him and Orys would be the apple of everyone's eyes in king's landing pretty much because he'd be strong and fun like Robert and very charismatic and handsome, he might have a great relationship with Renly which later on Renly would destroy by listening to loras Tyrell and he would regret it. Jon Arryn would be very fond of him. Ned Stark upon meeting him would immediately be reminded of a young Robert Baratheon. I think littlefinger would constantly try to spite Joeffery who would already be jealous of Orys, Joeffery would try to kill Orys. Orys would have a great relationship with Tommen and Myrcella. Orys would be a very good swordsman and that would make Tywin, Tyrion and even Jamie very proud/impressed because Joeffery would still not be good at any of that. I think that if Orys was killed, Tyrion, Tywin, Cersei and Jamie would figure out who did it. I think that Orys would be a well liked person, both by Lannisters and everyone else. And about Robert loving him, I think he'd love him because he'd just feel differently about Orys, he'd feel a much deeper connection than he did with the others. I also think that Orys would become friends with Robb, Jon and Theon if he went to the north with his father. And I think if Sansa was blamed for his murder, the Starks would not just be upset by that but also by the fact that Orys died because they'd like Orys very much so they'd know that something is off, Littlefinger would feed them lies, he would feed the Lannisters lies and Cersei would believe these lies, Jamie would be trying to understand what is the truth, Tywin would be very angry because he'd love Orys a lot as his first grandchild who's also pretty amazing at most things, Tywin would be willing to destroy anyone that is related to the murder but it would actually be Tyrion who would figure out that Sansa didn't murder Orys, someone else did, Littlefinger would free Sansa and he would stay back. He'd try to make sure that Joeffery makes poor decisions. Tyrion would still be on the case, who killed Orys and he'd keep figuring out, Littlefinger and Olena would murder joffrey and Tyrion would be accused and the same thing would happen as the show, varys would free him. Sansa would be on the run though. Varys and Tyrion would go to Dany. Eventually Tyrion would figure out that littlefinger killed orys. The Starks and the Lannisters wouldn't go to war but they'd hate each other because the Starks wouldn't know if Sansa is alive or not and Lannisters would believe that she killed orys. When Dany comes, she'd have the support of the Starks unless Bran tells everyone that Jon is a Targareyan and Catelyn Stark would be extremely shocked, Robb and all Catelyn and theon would tell Jon that the iron throne belongs to him and he will refuse which Robb would respect and so would Catelyn although she'd think that it's his he deserves it but she'd not say anything but theon would and Tyrion would know so would varys and their fates would be the same. Danaerys would as usual do the dumb thing to kl but Jon would be made king by the end, not Bran, Bran would have a position on the council, so would tyrion, Sam, etc. North would be an independent kingdom. The Riverlands would belong to the tullys, the vale to the arryns and lf would get killed because tyrion as soon as he gets there would tell cat and Robb everything, Bran would confirm and littlefinger would be killed. Sansa would have her own story but she'd get home by then. The Starks really did love Orys so it would hit them more because their son in law was killed and daughter exiled. The west would be Tyrion's. Basically Jon would have allies everywhere, Riverlands, west, vale, north. P.s. I think that we'd get a few scenes of father son bonding if orys was a part of the story, like I can see Robert being like this kid is the only reason I've not gone crazy and I think that cersei seeing their relationship would postpone killing Robert as much as possible, it would be very interesting to see that an actual good person would treat the people so differently and would be treated so much better. I really do think that he'd be very well liked by almost everyone but we'd always see Joeffery being jealous or manipulative. So when he'd be killed, everyone really would want the killer dead.

What if...Robert died from his wounds at the Trident and Stannis had to do his duty and take over the throne?

Seriously! I'm so glad you're back to creating content. You were one of the first RU-vidrs I watched.

Robert had a natural connection with his true born children than with the other three. He played with them and had a good relationship. From the first instant the incest prince cried in his arms whereas his bastards giggled at his beard

Personally...I believe Gendry is the child of Robert and Cersai. Remember she told catelyn that her and Robert's oldest Black haired boy died? Cersa or Jaime i took Gendry into the pits of Gin alley or another place in Kings landing and gave him up. Remember Robert would go hunting and come back to a baby? Nothing for her Jaime and Pycelle to say the baby was stillborn. That'd be the way I played it in the show.

What if 1. Jaime Lannister isn't Kingsgaurd 2. Aerys Burned them all 3. Rheaghar Never Loved Lyanna, Robert married Lyanna 4. Robert chose stannis as Hand ✋ instead of Ned

I really think Joffrey would’ve been a jealous little sh!t being the second born and I think Cersei would have shown a lot of favoritism towards Joffrey.

What if Robb married margarey tyrell

Haven't even watched it and already dropped a like

I think the biggest thing that I disagree with is the relationship with Orys and Robert, I think that he would see himself in the black haired heir and he would treat him much better then he did with Joffery. I think this boy would have been instructed by the best warriors that Lannister gold could buy and educated in the same fashion. I know this is meant for TV only but think of how well Robert treated his bastards? Imagine how well he would treat someone like him but, with a legal claim to the throne? I could see him being fostered in the north for a time or by Jon Arryan since those men are beloved by Robert. Stannis reminds Robert of his father but, in the books he still had his bastard son being raised in Dragonstone. Orys would probably be the biggest wrench in the Lannister endgame because he would not be as easily manipulated as Joffery who was spoiled and the product of Cersi and Jamie who Cersi loved more than most people. She might not treat this Orys as well knowing that she had him with Robert unless as you stated their way of relating to one another was changed. IF Orys was like Robert I don't know if Cersi would have seen the point to having him killed unless the boy was raised seeing Tywin as a hero figure in which then Tywin could see the use in getting rid of Robert who was in fact bankrupting the Kingdom. In that case, they murder Robert place Orys on the throne, Tywin continues to manipulate him but teaches him how to be a good king as he tried with Tommen. I could see Joffrey's place in things being altered sense hes now further down as heir. Orys would probably be siring a small army of kids with Sansa. Depending how what they do with Joffery he could even be the jealous brother that seeks power. He'd probably be as a foster child to another loyal lord perhaps Kevin. Imagine Orys learning from someone like Sandor Clegane or even Barriston Selmy? Assuming he takes after Robert he'd be a strong sob, I def seen Joffery hating Orys simply because he has hero worship for him and is nothing like him due to him actually being Jamies, what if this humbles Joffery and he becomes a swordsmen?

Here's how I think it would go: Robert keeps himself in better shape and state, as Cersei mentions he seemed to love her and such when she was pregnant with his child, and is better to Cersei, as she gave him a son. But Cersei still does Jaime, because Robert would still never leave Lyanna in his thoughts. Now with Joffrey 2nd in line, things will be better, and Robert may even want him fostered in the north, as likely his son is everything Robert wants, and he'll know Ned has a oldest son too, he wants to do the vale again for his kid. However, when he comes to the north after Jon Arryn dies since 3 kids still illegitimate and Jon isn't dumb, he will want his eldest son married to Sansa, since it will join the houses. There is no ruby ford since his son will spend time with Sansa and not assault a butchers boy, so the direwolves won't die/ be released yet. Robert dies of poisoning, and Ned will back roberts son since he will see clearly he's a true son of Robert. Now Roberts son who will be as old as Robb or Theon is much more competent then Joffrey, and will order the nonsense of Tywin burning the riverlands to cease, Ned will help end the conflict. Stannis and Renly likely still try and declare king as Cersei did cuck the king, and plot to have him killed, and 3/4 of the royal house are bastards of incest. Joffrey will attempt to assasinate his brother since he is jealous of him for in his eyes: -Having the love and attention of father -having a beautiful bride for queen - Being better in things like sword fighting and such. The Starks may even have to be buddy buddy with the lannisters since they are now kin by marriage and even though Ned knows what the queen and her brother did and that the children bar one are not legitimate, the son is the rightul king and is a far better man then Joffrey is, so Ned will want him to be king. It would be hilarious to see Tywin and Robb interacting, especially when he sees Robb fighting and commanding men with very good tactics while a giant direwolf fights on his side, he would probably wish Robb was his son because of how good he is at battles, and try and get Myrcella bethrothed to him. -Cersei and Ned having a tense thing where Ned knows what she'd done but can't do anything and she knows that too but is oddly impressed by him.

What if Viserys was fire-proof and survived Khal Drogo's execution?

I think the biggest problem with your premise is tjat Gendry, I mean Orys, is going to be the single biggest piece of evidence for twincest.

What if Elia Martell and Rhaeneys Targaryen survived?

Here's my challenge for a good vídeo. What if Tywin Lannister defended King's Landing after the Battle of the Trident? What would change with Jaime (kingslayer stuff), Cersei (never would have married Robert), Oberyn (Elya wouldn't be killed by the Mountain) and with House Lannister and the rebels

Here's a suggestion: What if Ser Alliser Thorne is elected Lord Commander instead of Jon Snow

What if Rhaegal went with Jon snow on the Kings road instead of Daenerys Targaryen on Dragon Stone?

I still love these GoT what ifs

I remember a conversation between Cersei and i think Tyrion about how her and Jaime beat the odds with their children. The whole every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin idea seems to go towards their incest. So I’m guessing Oris would be much better of a person than Joffrey

Imagine Orys having a personaliy like Loras Tyrell, kind of a brat and Prideful but honorable and kind to his family.

A HUGE clue is what she says about his bastards and how he warmed to them as they giggled and loved him instantly whereas Joffers screamed whenever he held him etc. Basically he gave up on Jof as he didn't look or act like him. He never warmed to cerseis kids as they didn't look like him, even when Joffrey harmed those animals "like a psychopath" it was done to impress his hunter father who then twatted him and nearly killed him. He made Joffrey so much worse with the neglect.

I don't know, I mean it's not impossible but I always thought if Robert made an effort, he would be a good Fun Uncle. But who knows? He didn't hate kids and he tried with Mya for awhile.

Please keep doing these long indepth what ifs, love em

What if Jon and Daenerys Targaryen got Married in Season 7 or 8?

Robert and cerseis kid did survive. His name would be gendry, given away at a young age so his dark features wouldn't be contradictory to jaimes kids. Gendry remembers only his blonde mother singing to him

If Tyrion would be sent to the Wall for killing Ned Stark, they'd send him to Eastwatch by the Sea rather than send him along the King's Road to Castle Black. Tywin would insist on this as he doesn't want to risk the Stark's killing Tyrion in the North. Not so much because he cares for Tyrion, but because he doesn't want the Lannister's to appear weak. The Starks would agree to let Tyrion be shipped to Eastwatch by the Sea because they'd rather not have him anywhere near Winterfell.

For Trial by Combat, the North would have used Great Jon Umber, he is one of the strongest and biggest Northmen and was the best fighter in the North. Tyrion would have still met Bronn, as Tyrion wanted to visit the wall either way, so they meet up in that Inn still. Ned would probably not become hand of the King as Jon Arryn would have no reason to try and find out about the Bastards of Jamie Lannister, as there is no suspicion, if Ned did become hand of the King, then he probably would just serve and not try to find out about the Bastards, so Ned doesn’t get arrested or executed, and he would serve Orys when Robert dies. The Lannisters pushing Brann would still happen, and Carleton would anger the Lannisters, but Ned would try to figure something out that didn’t lead to war, Ned would still get injured, and Robb would still begin the war with the Lannisters, but the war would not go on that long, or wouldn’t happen at all. Orys as King would try to stop the war, or use the Boratheon army which was around 60,000 soldiers as known from the battle of the Blackwater, they would be equal to the Lannister army. Bran’s fate is Destiny, he was going to be crippled by a Lannister one way or another, and he would find the Three Eyed crow. Stannis wouldn’t attack the Black Water as Stannis has no reason to think the Boratheon children are Bastards, the main focus would become Daenarys and he army, and with all of Westeros focusing on her, I don’t think she lives very long, I believe Jamie will face an even that changes his ways, see in the books many characters fates are almost like a Destiny, Ned’s murder makes no sense, Littlefinger isn’t a very good fighter or assassin, and Ned is very suspicious of him, and a great fighter too, also he has at least 2 guards at the door. Littlefinger would get caught and most likely get killed, Littfinger always played his cards with high risk, so he would finally lose his gamble. These are jsut my thought, but I think you did a good job.

The little finger impersonation was the best part of the video 😂

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="750">12:30</a> I doubt that Tywin would be eligible for the title of Hand when his son, according to your theory, murdered the former Hand of the King. It would be a rather awkward and illogical scenario. Robert would most likely appoint somebody else such as for example Hoster Tully due to their past alliance in the rebellion.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="685">11:25</a> Except Ned most likely wouldn't die that easily in that way, unless he's already being poisoned slowly and is thus weaker. If not, he'd fight back.

Joffrey would surely try to kill him to claim the throne for himself

What if Jon Snow accepted Stannis' offer to become King in the North? What if Alister Thorne was elected lord commander of the Night's Watch?

I always thought I would be cool if the baby was revived and was raised elsewhere without them knowing

What if young griff is in the tv show!!!! Also a what if the vale joined Robb in the war of five kings and a what if Tyrian was executed before the final meeting the show what if Robert was found when hiding in the rebellion

I have a very hard time with maintaining eye contact but your eyes are so pretty I couldn’t look away 😂

what if daemon completely missed his landing on vhagar when he killed me

Yes the what if's are back

This makes me wonder what the dynamic between the true born Baratheon son and the Lannister children, and with Cersei and Jamie. Does she really love all her children or is it just because Jamie is the father. I remember what she said about your first boy or something so maybe she’d still live him just as much as Joffrey

Unpopular opinion on Ned Stark: he is an honorable man no doubt, but a terrible father.

Cersei said herself, the day she walked out of the sept, her hand in the Kings hand, was the one moment where she genuinely felt happy. After that he became a glutton. Personally I think the better story would've been cersei and rhaegar, Jaime is pissed either way but I reckon she'd have actually loved rhaegar, whether from duty or genuine love.

What if Rhaegal didn’t die on Dragon Stone?

Great video. Please do WHAT IF: Cersei married Oberyn. A betrothal was in the works before Joanna died but after she died, Tywin threw out the negotiations.

What if Melisandre choose Renly instead of stannis

But if Dani died and never went to Westeros, wouldn't that mean that the Night King wouldn't ever get Viserion, and thus not have a way to get through the wall? Edit: got the dragon's name wrong

Can you please make a vidio abaut what if terian an sansa got pregnat and moved back to winterfeld before the purpel weding?

Actually, there's a problem as this goes on: The thing that tipped off the run was the hair colors of the children. Here, that's gonna be a PROBLEM. It was one thing before, when you only really had the three, but if you have a Robert/Cersei born child to compare against, that whole thing gets put into the light a lot faster. Rather than lessening the chance of an investigation by Arryn, not only would Arryn start to catch onto it, but multiple people would notice, and start considering it. Basically, sure, Joffrey's blond, stuff happens... and then Myrcella.... and then Tommen.... and here black-haired Oris. One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong. A less inebriated Robert, as well, is going to likely be more aware.

Gendry be like "am I a joke to you?"

What if Steffon Baratheon had a daughter that was married to Rhaegar? Say either Robert or Stannis was born with a twin sister or she was born right after Stannis. If Steffon had a daughter that could marry Rhaegar there wouldn't be any need for Aerys to send him to try to find a bride with Valerian blood and is a noblewoman cause now they have one right there since Steffon's mother was a Targaryen so Steffon and Cassandra Baratheon would still be alive. How does this change things? Would Robert's rebellion still happen? Would Tywin still be angry or maybe because he and Steffon were friends the slight he felt is a bit soften?

Tyrion never owned the dagger. It was from Robert's private collection, (he presumably kept it when he raided King Aerys' chambers,) and Joffrey stole the dagger from the collection Bobby B brought to Winterfell and hired the assassin.

Most importantly, *Lady gets to live*

Been waiting for this brother 😁

I knew this was gonna be the what if 😌 I'm excited! Keep up the good work! One of my favorite RU-vidrs.

Just a few changes in my scenario john arryn would die but no one would dare to kill ned stark he would serve orrys as the hand and sansa would marry orris,denaerys would die and tyrells has 80k strong army(acc to books) and in my story tyrells's margery would be married with robb stark because eventually the strongest house after baratheons is of winterfell as his father is the hand and sister the first lady and he himself is the wardern of north so he is the 2nd strongest person of the 7 kingdoms after orrys and starks are stupid to leave tyrells behind this reorganisation thing... So tyrells,lanisters,baratheons(arya would marry renly not joffrey) and starks are united with riverlands and vale too being on their side. Dorne has also sworn an oath too. And according to books they have a strong army of 3 lakh soldiers and in my storyline misandre would come to orris as the chosen one and everyone would select him as the ajore ahoye,a slight change would be that john would join the knights watch and will ultimately become the 3 eyed raven,yes in my story john is the 3 eyed raven and would inform orrys about knight king and my 3 eyed raven is smart enough to gather information on how to kill knight king with dagger and all because he can time travel he would first see history of westeroes and gather the info about dagger and all and the great battle of 3 lakh soldiers against the army of knight king would happen where we have ned stark as the hand,john as the 3 eyed raven,robb as the warden of north fighting and ultimately orris would kill knight king. Happy ending.

I have a few ideas What if the martells got involved during the war of the 5 kings What if Ramsay was part of Robbs army What if the Greyjoy’s invaded Casterly rock instead of the north .

I don’t think Littlefinger would let Sansa die but somehow make sure Robb came to give Sansa away in marriage and set Robb up as murdering the king and manipulating Sansa into believing it. As far as Joff not being a sociopath or not being spoiled by Cersei? I’m not sure that would’ve changed since Cersei would still treasure him since he’s Cersei and Jamie’s first born and looks like them (she’s a narcissist after all). Plus I’m not sure Joff isn’t inherently a sociopath due to dna issues etc. This is all assuming that Joff didn’t murder his older brother at some point after Robert died.

IMO, Ned Stark taking Ice to King’s Landing made no sense. Unlike ancestral swords like Longclaw, Heart’s bane (show maybe not book), Ice was a great sword,(unless your name was Ser Gregor Clegaine) was too large in combat, so it was only used for ceremonial purposes and executions. Eddard Stark would not have needed Ice while he was down in KL

Would Renly be able to take the throne from Stannis? Melisandre may still be with Stannis and could still assassinate Renly with the shadow assassin.

So I'm going thru your list of what if and there's one that I haven't seen yet and maybe you might make a video of. So what if Arya chose Tywin, the mountain, or Bolton as one of the 3 names for j'quar to kill? I'm not saying all those 3 but one of those. Might have changed a lot of the story. Thanks

I wonder if Robb would even accept trial by combat, since it´s more of a southern practice.

What if Robb Stark had killed Jaime Lannister in the battle of the Whispering Woods??

Good fan fiction in fact in keeping with some stories I have read :)

What if Walder Frey lets Robb leave the Red Wedding? (when catelyn has the knife to frey’s wife’s throat)

So glad these vids are back!!

I do agree with the fact that Stannis would win. The North under his command is a very lethal strategic force. Jon and the Nightswatch probably still beat the Wildlings. The North would be ones to send support instead.

Daenerys undead dragon is the reason the wall is breached and the walkers even get south when they do. There's no telling how much longer the wall itself could've kept the night king and his army out otherwise

What if -Littlefinger became king -the whitewalker king won -bran is evil -tyrion slept with cersei by accident -will the deserter was listened to by ned -jamie got breinne of tarth pregnant -jonna lannister lived -Viserys Targaryen got his army to attack Westeros